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There's so much going on here....with federal law enforcement officials telling ABC's Brian Ross that he's Candidate Number Five. I've known Ross since 1976 - when he worked in Cleveland - and have known him in Washington as well. If he says Jesse is Number Five, I trust his sources.

I have known Jesse Jackson Jr as a Congressman, a friend, and a neighbor ever since he moved back to Washington. Trust me on this: he's a good
Congressman, a good friend, and a good neighbor.

It's waaay too early to jump to any conclusions on this story, but there are several things I'd like to point out...

  1. Blago never said he talked to JJJr. And only claimed to have talked to an intermediary.
  1. Jesse wanted the job so bad he could taste it. And his wife got herself elected a Chicago alderman, with a bigger paycheck than he gets. He's well-versed in the ways of Chicago politics.
  1. He's been an extremely hard-working Congressman, who has performed admirably in the ways of Capitol Hill. Capitol Hill ain't heaven, but it ain't Chicago, either.
  1. Jesse's dad has spent decades seeking opportunities for minorities using tactics many people consider "shake-downs." There's always been some level of play-for-pay there. (Give us a Burger King franchise for a minority, or we boycott.)
  1. If there was - in fact - an "emissary" here, was there a "Rainbow Connection?" Could "the Rev" have taken another leak in the punchbowl? JJJr and his wife are truly wonderful people, with two lovely children. On a personal level, I find it difficult to believe he would have initiated anything so blatantly stupid, wrong, and illegal. On that same level, I'm not sure some of his "friends" might have explored something like this on his behalf - with several degrees of separation. The question then would come whether he knew anything at all about such discussions.
  1. The first time I ever heard the name "Barack Obama," it came from JJJr, telling me who he was supporting in the Illinois Senate race. If Jesse is Candidate Number 5, his association with Obama - including being Congressional Campaign Chairman - will tar the President-elect, but only slightly.
  1. Obama's refusal to play along with Blago, and Blago's referring to him as an MF'er makes it clear to even the craziest wingnut that he had no part in this attempt to sell a Senate seat. But this sorry spectacle is an unwelcome sideshow, and if anyone among the transition team has any involvement, PEBO must throw them under the bus with all deliberate speed.
  1. Let's all take a deep breath and watch and see how this plays out. The rush to scandal often implicates the innocent along with the guilty. Fitz will eventually get to the bottom of this. It is better to wait and see than to unfairly run the reputations of peripheral players who may have done no wrong. Jesse is a friend of mine, and I pray he emerges from this with this honor and reputation intact.

Originally posted to Homer J on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM PST.

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  •  First of all, we don't know if it's him.... (15+ / 0-)

    Personally, I think it's Jay Leno.

    Do something...anything.

    by David Kroning on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:29:28 AM PST

    •  That's right...Leno has the big hair, too. (5+ / 0-)

      Who paid what to whom for that 10:00 pm gig, anyway?

      •  First of all Blago can legally appoint anyone (1+ / 0-)
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        UkieOli

        he wishes and people forget that amid all these. Now the crime here is money involvement - still allegation btw. Fitz has the burden to prove this beyond reasonable doubt. Me thinks he will.

        But it is the political cost that we all hated this whole thing in the last couple of days. Even Blago resigns and get out, it would be a long process to put him behind bars just by the phone conversation - at least that may get him to GJ but it is not automatic that he gets convicted just for that. My sense is that, and a lot of people know, that he is really weird. He went with it knowing that he is under watch.

        Another question that puzzled me is that why does Fitz rushed if he is relly getting such juicy stuff from this guy. Why didn't he waited until he gets some red meat....like catching him with the cookie jar?

        "allow nothing to be in your life that you cannot walk out of in 30 seconds if you spot the heat around the corner". - movie HEAT

        by HEAT on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:06:49 AM PST

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    •  While inevitable, it's completely irresponsible (3+ / 0-)
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      for media to throw around names. Besides being inappropriate, there's a rush to present the story as if they understand it & have enough info to evaluate.  There are so many names & accusations that most of the front-runners can be tainted solely because they were front-runners.

      •  They throw around names (1+ / 0-)
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        hoping one of those names will be the story. Everyone guesses wanting to be able to say they were the one that figured all of this out.

        I would make a proposition to the Republicans. If you will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about you. Adlai Stevenson

        by desnyder on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:13:41 AM PST

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    •  It is on CNN...JJJr IS #5..... (0+ / 0-)

      The Religious Right is Neither.

      by cyncynical on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:35:09 PM PST

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  •  Interesting concern diary.... (16+ / 0-)

    I almost believed that you believe in JJ Jr.

    Number 4. and 5. did you in, nice GOP talking points.

    Thanks for your concern.

    Not another dime to an out of state race until CA has equality for all. Period.

    by SallyCat on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:31:18 AM PST

    •  Especially 4. Threatening to boycott if (10+ / 0-)

      a company doesn't stop discriminating is the equivilent of pay for play?  The pure idiocy of such a position is simply mind boggling.  Pay for play is a matter of obtaining a personal benefit by using taxpayers' funds and interests.  You know, like selling a fricking senate seat!

      The rest - well, really, it's just so silly, it's not  worth responding to.  I know this news reporter.  I know Jesse Jackson Jr.  They're soooo nice.  Give me a break!

      •  Diarist claims to have a press pass (0+ / 0-)
        See prior Diary. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/7/94251/3822/922/670308 Not saying he's legit or illegit, but the storyline is at least feasible based on the prior Diary.

        Who was Bush_Horror2004, anyway?

        by Dartagnan on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:52:42 AM PST

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        •  Having a press pass (even if that (5+ / 0-)
          claim was true, which considering the quality of this writing and analytical skills used or lack thereof is doubtful), doesn't give any credence to a claim he is personal buddies with those he references.  And even if he does know them, his "knowledge" adds absolutely nothing to the diary.  The vapid "they're sooo nice, I can't believe he'd ever do this" crap was what made me throw up a little in my mouth.

          There are many kossacks that do in fact have great contacts.  But you don't see that being thrown around in diaries to puff themselves up.  And you certainly don't see the vapid "they're sooo nice" phrases used while trying to place suspicion squarely on their shoulders.

          The whole diary is just plain stupid, to put it bluntly.

        •  He probably works for Sean Hannity and (0+ / 0-)

          is undercover. Don't feed his concern BS that is out to push guilt by association.

          "The struggle of humanity against power, is the struggle of memory against forgetting." -- Milan Kundera

          by LV Pol Girl on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:00:32 AM PST

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      •  The Rev has always been play for pay.... (3+ / 0-)
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        ....like at the 1984 Democratic Convention in San Francisco, where the big question we were all asking up top was "what does Jesse want?"

        He had his big secret meeting with Mondale and the other bigwigs, got his travel money (I think he had use of a plane) and expenses - and then he dramatically announced his support for Mondale/Ferraro. And he did campaign for them, so there was nothing illegal there. But they paid, and he played.

        I believe a close relative of his received a fast food franchise as part of one of his pressure campaigns. Again, nothing illegal, put they paid and he played.

        I'm not sure you understand the world of "walking around money" on election day, or "what's in it for me?" That's how politics is played in Philly and Chicago and a lot of other inner cities.

        Everything can be monetized in that world. And that's the world the Rev came from. A world of people - often desperately poor - seeking survival, empowerment, and respect. It's a rough, street form of politics that many people find distasteful. It's more WWE than Marquis of Queensbury rules.

        •  Hmmm. Wonder why your wonderful analysis (0+ / 0-)

          didn't use these examples rather than the one your DID use - threatening a boycott if a franchise was not granted to a minority.  Course, a campaign paying his expenses is not quite the equivilent of using taxpayer money for personal gain.  And you seem to be guessing a relative of his received a fast food franchise.  And the rest of your statements are generalizations about politics in certain parts of the country and poor people.  So no.  You still haven't managed to come up with an actual pay for play example.

          Trust me, because I consider your diary vapid does not mean I don't understand how politics has been played in many parts of the country.  

          •  The Reverend is no saint. (0+ / 0-)

            He is known to have a rather heavy hand which has pissed a number of people off.  Some people think it is just driving a hard bargain while others - usually on the receiving end - think it is more than that.  

            •  It has been more than a heavy hand according to (0+ / 0-)

              many.  Rev threatening boycotts of various companies unless they contribute to his politcal organizations.  There have been many besides right wingers who deplore his tactics.  If we on the left cannot be honest when our soldiers stray we have no right to criticize others.  The Rev back in the day did many wonderful things, but he is not above reproach, no one is.

              There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? - Robert Kennedy

              by choochmac on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 12:03:58 PM PST

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              •  Well, that was the whole point of my comment. (2+ / 0-)
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                Some people think that his tactics are okay and some people don't.  There is a lot more gray in public opinion on this sort of thing than most people really realize.  If the heavy handed tactics are used for something that is perceived to be "good" a lot of people will overlook the tactics. If the goals are not popular, the tactics become central to the crusade against the person.

                In any case, knee-jerk defenses of any of these people are sort of silly - as silly as the knee-jerk condemnations are imo.

                There is a lot more to learn about what has been going on Blago's office.  In just over a month, the FBI collected conversations about what five or six (?) pretty big scandals.  The pay for play on the Senate seat was only ONE of a group of seriously corrupt activities.  That's pretty amazing.  Makes you wonder what they'd have if they'd been taping him for the past four or five years. How much stuff has he f*cked up over his tenure?

                •  Knee jerk defenses against knee jerk attacks are (0+ / 0-)

                  pretty much the only way to go.  And criticizing the knee jerk attacks are not defenses anyway. Pointing out the flaws in someone's argument is not even disagreeing with it.  What one should certainly expect is that if someone is going to attack a son based upon his father's behavior, the writer at least should be able to give specifics on the father, rather than vague crap.

                  •  You want specifics? Here are a few.... (0+ / 0-)

                    The Rev attacks Coca-Cola for its dealings in South Africa. As part of a settlement, his half brother Noah gets a Coca-Cola syrup distributorship in Chicago.

                    Seeing how that works, the Rev attacks Heublein, and his half brother Noah gets a KFC franchise, which launches a fast food empire. Half brother later gets into serious trouble with the law, but that's another story.

                    The Rev opposes numerous telecom mergers, until applicants offer grants to his Citizenship Education Fund. Then he supports the mergers.

                    Charities reported the Rev spent more than $600,000 in travel expenses in one year (2000) on their behalf. That's a lotta room service.

                    After ending a boycott of Anheuser-Busch, his sons were given a beer distributorship in Chicago. When critized, the Rev responded, "If Bush is qualified to run the country, then they are qualified to run a beer distributorship." (Personally, I don't think Bush is qualified to run a beer distributorship either, but he'd make a great customer.)

                    Is that specific enough for you, or still too vapid???? If you need more, there's plenty more.

                    There are a lot of us who are not Republicans and who are not on the right who have been troubled by the Rev's tactics and behavior for decades.

                    His son, to my way of thinking, is a far better man than his father. But, as the "cut his nuts off comment" showed, JJJr cannot entirely escape the shadow of his Dad. The sins of the fathers are visited upon the heads of the sons.

                    •  No Homer, I never asked for specifics. I (0+ / 0-)
                      simply pointed out how poor your analytical skills and writing were; that your position that boycotting a commercial enterprise for discrimination is not equivilent to pay for play.  You certainly are determined to point out the father's sins, though, in making your "defense" of the son.  I'm sure this guy you're such buddies with and who is after all, soooo nice, really appreciates it.  
                      •  Yes you did.... (0+ / 0-)

                        Quoting you....

                        You still haven't managed to come up with an actual pay for play example.

                        So now that I've given you half a dozen, you now say you didn't want any.

                        Hmmm.

                        •  My stating you hadn't given me one is not asking (0+ / 0-)
                          for one.  If you consider the context of this whole discussion, it began with my objection to your using a boycott against a company discriminating as an example of a pay for play.  I didn't ask you for examples of actual pay for play.  You choose to write a long response which you apparently thought contained examples.  I disagreed that they were examples.

                          See Homer, whatever the father did is, to my mind, totally irrelevant to any case against Jesse Jackson Jr.  I am not one to hold the sins of the father against the son.  So why would I care whether you could provide examples against the father?

                          I commented on the diary as being poorly written and poorly analyzed.  Additional information contained in comments, even had it been relevant, wouldn't have improved the diary itself.  And the additional information has quite definitely not been relevant.  So please don't bother trying further to convince me Jesse Jackson Jr. is likely to have committed any crimes.  I will wait until there is actual real evidence to form an opinion on the subject.

                  •  I got a whole different tone and feel out (2+ / 0-)
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                    of this diary than you did.  Based on my reading of your comments, you think it is an assault.  I read it more as a string of bits and pieces of information - some positive and some negative - that really didn't add up to - nor were they presented to add up to - any particular conclusion one way or another.

                    The Reverend is not his son and vice versa - I didn't get that out of the diary - but they are a family of note and power in DC - they definitely wield their fair share of power.  I am not all that familiar with Jesse Jackson Jr.'s activities and interactions beyond what I've seen of him in the course of the Obama campaign, but I do have a sense of the father.  To the extent that I can tell based on what I have observed, they seem almost night and day to me in their approaches. But who knows.

                    All that is "vague crap" to you I presume.  But if you live in DC, a lot of it is just part of day-to-day reality to most of us.  We know little things about people in this town.  We know stuff about how they treat cab drivers and who they eat at restaurants with.  We know who has a reputation for being a real asshole and who is pretty polite to people working with and for them.  We know a lot of "vague crap" a lot of which is actually very telling at times lol.

                    I read the diary as an exposition of the little things that don't add up for the diarist - sounds like he's pretty sympathetic to Jesse Jackson Jr. and finds it hard to believe that he'd be willing to engage in pay for play.  But you did not see it that way.  Not surprising somehow.

                    •  I read it as a very poorly written and poorly (0+ / 0-)

                      analysed collection of nothings, written mostly to boost the diarist ego by asserting a cozy relationship with a well known reporter and Jesse Jackson Jr and being "in the know" before actual disclosures had been made.  And perhaps containing a little concern trolling, although it was so poorly done, I'm not totally convinced of that.

                      However Rev. Jackson operated - and I admit to not knowing a lot of details but having a vague sense that not all has been kosher, but that somehow the good accomplished has had to serve to offet the negative - was, by this diariest, attributed to Jesse Jackson.  And how that could be missed, I don't know, since it was overtly stated.  The "sympathy" he supposedly expressed consisted of the vapid "he's soooo nice" that is, of course, the kiss of death.

                      And I'm sorry, but I'm sure some people living in DC get some little tidbits of information about others living in DC, but please don't expect me to believe that because you live there you somehow have an inside scoop and understand things so much better.  I live in a little town and I know very little about the truth behind the few dozen people that control our politics.  I hear some gossip here and there - but who knows how much of it is true.  How much more impossible would it be to actually know the truth about the hundreds and hundreds of power brokers there are in Washington.  You can personally know someone and you really don't know much more about them than anyone else.  That feeling of being specially "in the know" might be a little ego boostng, but it just isn't for real.

                      •  LOL (1+ / 0-)
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                        So the political media could live in Kenya and report on DC politics then.  That's cool.

                        And again - LOL - nevermind that many of us have worked in or around government - and the folks in government on some level - no - we have no more information than you do from your small town - lol again.  You might as well go ask some guy working in a Chinese toy factory what he knows about DC politics and ask me or someone in your town about factory condidtions in China.  Nobody know more than you though - so you might as well just ask yourself any questions you have and leave the rest of us to talk amongst ourselves - and pity us for thinking that we have learned something from our day-to-day lives in the worlds in which we live.

                        •  Please read your own post. You said nothing (0+ / 0-)
                          about working there or being involved in politics.  You simply said you lived there.  And trust me, your lack of knowledge still far exceeds your knowledge.  Your arrogance is not particularly becoming.
                          •  So now we are to post our full resumes with every (0+ / 0-)

                            comment to avoid challenge from you?

                            It is not "arrogant" to recount personal experiences - even if they do involve "famous" people.  

                            Here's a secret - they are real people - they have pulses, skin, blemishes, idiosyncracies - just like the rest of us do.  They mere mortals.  Some likeable - some not so.  They are no more important than your bank teller - some think they are - but they aren't.  They're people just like the rest of us.  Knowing them, working with them, or encountering them in day-to-day life does not rub off and make anyone anyone more special than the next person either.  

                            It is in your mind that the importance of this experience called "my life" is assigned, not mine.  Where I will draw a line is in a challenge such as you put forward asserting that just because I live here and have encounters with these people I don't "know any more than you do" about this place.  That's like me telling you that you don't know any more than I do about your small town - I know fuckall about your small town.  But I do know something about mine and the people who live here.  

                            I am not the "definitive source" and have never presented myself as such - that would be ridiculous - but I am a native and I do have 40+ years of history and life experience in and out of this town to draw upon when I talk about it - and I have both a career here, friends here and professional colleagues here as well as two parents who had careers that were dedicated to public service in DC.  When I was seven, on school holidays I was hanging out with my Dad at the Capitol barber shop - it was all about the horrible "government green" for me then - that and the fact that they took my crayons and paper away from me when we went to the House Gallery to watch the floor proceedings - you were not allowed to take notes in the Gallery.  Where were you when you were seven?  You probably learned something in that year of your life that I don't have a clue about, but whatever.  I'll respect that you have a bit bit of insight into your own world than I do - even if it is hard for you to admit that I might have some about mine.

                      •  This is a small town, too, pal..... (0+ / 0-)

                        And those little tidbits that you dismiss often speak volumes.

                        It came as no surprise to those of us in the Dupont Circle neighborhood when the Hon Craig was busted at MSP, because the gossip was he was a tea room queen.

                        When the Hon Florio was busted, we all chuckled and remembered how he wanted to get in front of a line at a restaurant because he "was a congressman." He put himself above the rest of us. Just like he did with the bribes he later took.

                        We know those members who have inflated egos and who - in real life - are nothing like what their hometown boosters think they are. And character, as the Greeks knew, is fate.

                        The little things that made the Phil Harts and Mo Udalls beloved are not unlike the little things that made the Ted Stevens' and his ilk despised. And when it hits the fan, it all comes down to character. And that's the point inclusiveheart and I are making.

                        JJJr is a neighbor of mine. I have known him for years, and have seen NOTHING in his character that leads to believe he would try to make an illegal deal for Obama's Senate seat.

                        Having said that, I pointed out that there are things in his political background (Chicago) and in his father procuring things for family members that will be thrown in his face. And those are things that must be examined, and knocked down.

                        Good luck doing your character analysis from Kenya or Tucumcari or wherever...but I think most folks understand that when you see or work with someone on a regular basis, it is easier to try to take the measure of that person.

    •  Number 4. How dare you (2+ / 0-)
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      conflate pay for play with working for equal representation and equality.  You lost me at number four.

      Whatever the Repuglicans say, the truth is the opposite.

      by MariaWr on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:02:48 AM PST

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      •  See comment above...about specifics.... (0+ / 0-)

        No one should oppose working for equal representation and equality.

        But neither should we be blind to conflicts of interest when the remedy goes to immediate family members or organizations set up by those seeking redress.

        When you yell about South Africa to get your half brother a Coca-Cola distributorship in Chicago, that starts looking a little funny.

        So look at the previous comment "you want specifics" and you'l see what I'm talking about. Someone who sees injustice and fights it, and enriches himself and his family in the process.

  •  Enough (11+ / 0-)

    I wish some of the people on here would use the energy they're using to beat their chests to demand that Blago resign immediately.  He's the guilty party here.

    If this is a center-right country, why did the people just elect a left of center government

    by Paleo on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:31:35 AM PST

  •  okee-dokee (1+ / 0-)
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    Questions:

    Who was the intermediary?

    How does Blago know Obama refused to "play along" with him if his people never talked to any Obama people?

    What would have been unusual or suspicious or wrong about Obama and Blago discussing Obama's replacement?

    Why do I have a bad feeling about this?

  •  Who would approach Blago knowing he's under (3+ / 0-)
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    federal investigation?  That just doesn't make sense.

    "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

    by lordcopper on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:34:23 AM PST

  •  Why would it tar Obama if (13+ / 0-)

    Jackson is candidate 5. Is this more of that guilt by association? It's the same old association ploy, Wright, Ayres, Rezco, and now Jackson.

    It really is a credit to Barack Obama that the best negatives they could ever do is vague associations with others.

    "We had a decisive win... and so I don't think there is any question we have a mandate to move the country in a new direction." Barack Obama

    by pollbuster on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:34:32 AM PST

    •  Guilt by association.... (3+ / 0-)
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      It's wrong, of course, but it exists.

      And if your Congressional Campaign Manager gets implicated - fairly or unfairly - in an effort to buy your Senate seat - when it's still warm - that's something your enemies will use against you.

      •  Yes, but timing matters (0+ / 0-)

        Guilt by association really doesn't fly in tough economic times.  But whatever, it is not like the last election didn't prove that.

        "...the fundamentals of our economy are strong"- John Sidney McCain 09/15/08

        by Shhs on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:41:24 AM PST

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      •  According to NPR report (7+ / 0-)

        Blag was interested in Obama because Obama did NOT think JJJr should have the seat...

        Once again, I don't have a clever sig.

        by MaskedKat on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:43:06 AM PST

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      •  Unfortunately the enemy that (0+ / 0-)

        you speak of is the republican party that Barack Obama has tried to reach acrosss the aisle too. Perhaps this will be a wake up call to stay as far away from republicans as one possibly can.

        "We had a decisive win... and so I don't think there is any question we have a mandate to move the country in a new direction." Barack Obama

        by pollbuster on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:47:03 AM PST

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      •  But it doesn't matter... (0+ / 0-)

        Election season is over.  Are they going to try to hold this over his head when he becomes president?  They might try, but I doubt it.  Jackson messed up big time if he did really do it, but that doesn't mean he didn't do a good job for the Obama campaign...not that I'm implying you said that.  He did what the Obama campaign asked of him...that's all there is to it.  What he does on his own time that had nothing to do with the campaign is not Obama's business.  Obama vacated that seat, so his ties to the seat are gone.  The only folks that will try to do the guilt by association are the same ones that did it about all of those other folks during the campaign.

  •  how do you know #1 is true? (1+ / 0-)
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    Remember, not all conversations were listed in the document accompanying the charges.  Just sayin'.

  •  I'm still wondering who client 5 is (5+ / 0-)

    in the Spitzer case.

    "We had a decisive win... and so I don't think there is any question we have a mandate to move the country in a new direction." Barack Obama

    by pollbuster on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:43:04 AM PST

  •  This new generation of corrupt officials are very (8+ / 0-)

    sloppy.  Back in the old days all the really dirty work was performed by "cut outs" who received their orders from an intermediary.  I think they used to call them "bagmen".  I don't know if it's because they collected "bags" of cash, or were left holding the "bag" when things went wrong.

    "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

    by lordcopper on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:43:33 AM PST

  •  Excellent, even handed diary. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    "When the going gets tough, the tough get 'too big to fail'."

    by New Deal democrat on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:52:26 AM PST

  •  Here's an idea, don't think about him until (0+ / 0-)

    there are facts to rely on.  The man is innocent until proven guilty of something!!!

  •  Jacksons know the Chicago way (3+ / 0-)
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    That is why Amheuser Busch gave Jesse Jr's two brothers the Chicago distributorship.  Hey the Daley family makes money from insurance.  So what's new.

    I would just ownder is in the world of pay to play, it makes sense giving Illinois a dime of new infrastrucutre moneys unless there is a serious house cleaning of both poltical parties and the way business is done in Springfield.  It is the fault of the people of Illinois for tolerating this as well as for career politicians like Durbin to turn a blind eyes to these shennanigans.  After all was a one twrm Republican senator named Firspatrick who named Fitzpatrick as US Attorney much to the chagrin of every politicio in Illinois.

    Illinois is an Augean stable and Jesse Jr and his wife are likely past of the mess that has to be cleaned up.  I am sure Blago was a nice neighbor and good guy to acquaintances too.

  •  Jesse Jackson Jr. also identified as Candidate 5 (0+ / 0-)

    in this Chicago Sun-Times article: Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. is 'Senate Candidate 5' in Blagojevich criminal complaint:

    Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. is "Senate Candidate 5," who — through an emissary — allegedly offered to raise money for Gov. Blagojevich in return for being appointed as Barack Obama’s replacement in the U.S. Senate, sources tell the Chicago Sun-Times.

    The alleged offering was caught on a wiretap secretly planted by the feds.

    No indication of who those "sources" might be, beyond the fact that they were apparently in a position to know what was on that wiretap.

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:54:39 AM PST

  •  I'm withholding judgement (10+ / 0-)

    until there is something to judge. I'm certainly not going to join the GOP circus and assume guilt by association.

  •  Think this: (0+ / 0-)

    Toast.

    Tonight I'm going to party like it's 1929.

    by Bensdad on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:59:10 AM PST

  •  Jesse Jackson Jr. is asserting his innocence. (7+ / 0-)

    I will believe him in the absence of evidence to the contrary.

  •  Here's my question (1+ / 0-)
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    Didn't Hillary Clinton ask Obama to fundraise for her in exchange for dropping out of the race? I mean, I'm not defending Blago or Jackson, but I'm just confused about what is political horsetrading and what is corruption.

    Stephanie Dray
    of Jousting for Justice, a lefty blog with a Maryland tilt.

    by stephdray on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:11:10 AM PST

    •  Try when you're getting a personal (3+ / 0-)
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      benefit by using taxpayer funds or government jobs.  Please tell me what taxpayer got screwed or what government service got misused by Hilary asking Obama to fundraise for her?  

      Truly, the fact that people have a hard time grasping the difference between Blago using taxpayer funds and positions to directly personally benefit himself and just good old political dealing is mind boggling to me.  While the political dealing is distasteful, it's not illegal.  Selling senate seats and withholding money from hospitals until cash contributions are made to your campaign, etc. is illegal.  Pure and simple.

      •  You're misreading my tone (3+ / 0-)
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        I'm not trying to trash Hillary Clinton. I'm trying to understand where the bright line is. For example, when Blago asked Candidate #5 to fundraise for him, this is different than giving his wife a job or giving him money outright, isn't it?

        I'm trying to understand why Jackson would be in trouble even if he did offer to fundraise for this guy, that's all.

        Stephanie Dray
        of Jousting for Justice, a lefty blog with a Maryland tilt.

        by stephdray on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:32:41 AM PST

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        •  I haven't seen any indication Jackson is in (1+ / 0-)
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          trouble - even IF he's number 5, which definitely has not yet been established, as far as I've heard.  

          If whoever number 5 says I will raise one million dollars for you if your appoint me is more than someone is a purchase of a seat.  If number 5 did do that - which I believe the only of is Blago's words - it would be illegal.  Even saying you'd fundraise, in a general way, without specifics could be considered a bribe, although having specific numbers leaves no room for doubt. If there's no specifics given, it could be interpreted as just a vague promise of support or something. While it might be "different" than giving him money outright, it's still just as illegal.  He'd be getting a personal gain using his public position and the powers given to him to use to benefit the taxpayers - his constituents - to benefit himself at the expense of his constituents.

          It's much different than a candidate - who does not have a right to appoint someone to a position, but only has the right to try and win the votes themselves, to agree to drop out, with a vague assurance that their opponent will help fundraise on their behalf.  

          There's not always a "bright line" between what is not acceptable and what is.  But the one here is so bright, I'm not sure how there could be any confusion.

    •  Factual evidence for the arrangement you suggest? (0+ / 0-)
  •  Apple Doesn't Fall Far From the Tree (2+ / 2-)
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    Is anyone really shocked by this?? If it was Howard Dean I'd be shocked - one of the Jacksons - business as usual for them.

  •  as for me (7+ / 0-)

    "his association with Obama - including being Congressional Campaign Chairman - will tar the President-elect, but only slightly"

    I am fed up to here with the guilty by association crap!  

  •  I'm honestly not that worried (2+ / 0-)
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    Yes, it's possible he did something wrong, but we are a long way from knowing that, and I think it's much more likely he did absolutely nothing wrong. Blago is nuts. Who knows if this "emissary" really said what Blago thought he did, or if the person had the approval of Jackson.

    No way was it Jackson's dad, though -- Blago wouldn't have said "emissary," he would have said "his father."

    "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected." - Barack Obama (3.18.08)

    by lapis on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:31:16 AM PST

    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      See my comment below. What prevents Blago's entire conversations with his advisors from being pure fabrications, intended to tar political nemeses, or sow seeds of doubt about them? Just a thought.

      "Scandals don't stay underground like cassava: they always come out" -- Ewe Proverb

      by zizi on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:41:27 AM PST

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  •  I'm thinking (3+ / 0-)
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    Could this all be Blago's efforts to tar some political nemeses with well planted clues knowing fully well that he is under investigation and most likely is being wiretapped?

    I just somehow think he's a little too smart to have revealed all this info knowing he was under investigation. This way he goes down but he pulls other people down with him on the strength of his conversations with Advisor B/A.

    As it stands there is no other evidence but his word that any of the things he talked about actually happened or that he was even contacted by anyone. Me smells something truly fishy/Machiavellian.

    "Scandals don't stay underground like cassava: they always come out" -- Ewe Proverb

    by zizi on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:39:02 AM PST

  •  Pay attention to what Prosecutor Fitzgerald says (3+ / 0-)
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    If he says Jessie Jackson, Jr. "is not a target of the investigation" then he has no case against him.

    That is what I expect Fitzgerald will say.

    •  Exactly..... (0+ / 0-)

      So now, we have come full circle to where we started:

      1. JJJr never talked to Blago. No evidence of JJJr doing anything wrong.
      1. JJJr really wanted the job. Everyone knows that.
      1. JJJr is from Chicago. All that Chicago stuff is swirling around him. Not his fault, but it's there.
      1. His Dad is controversial, and has had a lot of quid-quo-pro's in his life that some people consider a form of pay for play.
      1. His Dad already whizzed in the punchbowl this year with the "cut his nuts off comment," and there will be speculation around whether he was involved.

      I agree with previous poster than if the Rev was involved, Blago would have said the Rev, and not emissary. And we don't know if Blago is blowing smoke here.

      1. JJJr has long supported PEBO, and was his Congressional Campaign Director, so this is certainly a distraction for Obama.
      1. Obama's refusal to play ball with Blago - and Blago calling him an MF'er clears PEBO in all this.
      1. Let's wait and see how it all plays out. JJJr says he's innocent (and I have no reason not to believe him), but his reputation will take a hit because of all the mud being thrown around - and because he's the Rev's son and a Chicago politician. As Uncle Walter used to say every night, "and that's the way it is."
  •  Con man (2+ / 0-)
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    His dad is a major con man so I won't be surprised if he has follwed his fathers lead.

    •  WTF??? (0+ / 0-)

      His dad is a major con man

      Jesse Sr. a "con man". Keep your right-wing talikng points to yourself.

      "...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine...." {-8.13;-5.59}

      by lams712 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:52:23 AM PST

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      •  I don't care what side of the aisle they are on.. (0+ / 0-)

        A crook is a crook. If you don't know about the many episodes involving Jesse and corruption you should read a little. You look foolish to anyone that has a clue...

        •  Piss off wing nut (0+ / 0-)

          If you don't know about the many episodes involving Jesse and corruption you should read a little

          Where at the Drudge Report???

          FUCK YOU

          "...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine...." {-8.13;-5.59}

          by lams712 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 11:37:29 AM PST

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          •  Stay ignorant then...I see how you are (0+ / 0-)

            Fuck you too

            •  I'm not ignorant.... (0+ / 0-)

              ....and again, FUCK YOU wingnut.

              I challenged you to come up with some motherfucking evidence and you FAILED, so again FUCK YOU.

              Keep your defamatory wingnuttery to your inbred self you motherfucking racist.

              "...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine...." {-8.13;-5.59}

              by lams712 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 09:03:34 PM PST

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              •  And FUCK YOU again (0+ / 0-)

                Google is your friend, it's not my fault you are so unaware of reality and I'm not going to research a book report for you. Thats funny you call me a wingnut and a racist. I don't know how that Obama sticker got on my bumper- oh yeah...now I remember, I love the guy. Unlike you and Jesse he doesn't have a loser victim mentality. Thats why you'll always be the guy pushing a broom instead of making something of yourself, your attitude is unacceptable, your stupidity is glaring which is why you'll spend your life a bitter and angry person. Oh... and fuck you again and fuck your mother too...

  •  There's no way to tell whether (1+ / 0-)
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    there was in fact an "emissary" who offered to raise that money for Blago, as is alleged in the taped phone calls, since there's no proof the emissary existed, unless Blago rolls and fingers the emissary.  Even if he does give the emissary's name to the Feds, then Jackson can deny he knew of the emissary's activities on his behalf.

    Because really, the emissary is guilty of attempting to bribe a public official and as such should get jail time the same as Blago; so in that respect, if Blago makes any kind of deal with the government, he may give this other person's name up.

    I can say this on the subject of Jackson Jr.:  I have been slightly appalled by Jackson Jr.'s immodest campaigning for the seat over the last couple of months.  His capacity for self-promotion is large.  I remember seeing him interviewed somewhere (Morning Joe I think?) the morning after Obama accepted the nomination, and Jackson was already openly saying he wanted the seat and that it should go to a black man.  I've seen him repeatedly, blatantly campaigning on news appearances multiple times.

  •  If your name is Jesse Jackson, you can't (0+ / 0-)

    be taken seriously or trusted.

    •  Is this a version of the Hussein game? (0+ / 0-)

      I take him seriously, and hope he's vindicated.

      Listen to what Fitz says. There's no evidence directly linking him to any wrongdoing.

      The name Jesse Jackson helped get him elected to Congress. But now it is an impediment.

      Sort of like the middle name Hussein didn't help our President-elect in his campaign. But quality people overcome such impediments, often with ease.

      It's just that a lot of people really hate his father, and most everyone knows that Chicago politics are as crooked as they come, so JJJr has a fight on his hands to redeem and reclaim his reputation.

  •  Please say its not Jesse Jr. (0+ / 0-)

    Ive been wanting him to get the seat, but if this is true then there go my hopes. i hope Blago is lying about him so he would not get it.

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