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The picture of then-Senator, Joe Biden (with coffee pot in hand,) has been consistently posted along with a quote for many mornings within Kula's Morning Reaction series. It is what prompted the origin of this series to focus upon the transitions and daily activities of the other Executive Office holder: Vice President-Elect, Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr.

Today's Menu Specials:

  1. Fresh Apple Slices with Hand-ground Peanut Butter Spread.
  1. Heilemann Sweet & Sour Ham.
  1. A Standard-issue M40 with Equal Parts Champagne-Splashed Birthday Wishes & One Water.

As always (just over the bump), I start you off with a quote from The Gentleman to mull over with your morning Joe.

23 NOVEMBER 2007 --
Stated in his Address to the National Leadership Forum during the eighteenth annual forum of the Community Anti-Drug Coalitions of America:

"The costs of delay are too great to bear because they are measured in nothing less profound than the lost futures of children who turn to drugs — and that piece of our nation’s future which is lost with each one of these children."
-- Vice President-Elect, Joe Biden

::::: MENU CHANGE :::::

Yesterday, it turns out, the sous chef used old ingredients in the Appetizer.

Mr. Biden will indeed receive a pay increase upon assuming the Vice Presidency, but the amount of that raise is undetermined. Some calculations put it as high as $50K, some others go below $10K.

I own up to my erroneous arithmetic, and have given the sous chef a stern lashing with a wet noodle. Luckily, he's pastafarian and considers the punishment a blessing. My sincere apologies to you and a large Kudos to the Inn's patrons for keeping this establishment an honest one.

Now, on with today's meal.

::::: APPETIZER :::::

On Tuesday I was emailed about a half dozen "Thank you" messages for Monday's Desert item at Joe's Inn on Dr. Jill Biden's current activities. As our nation's next Second Lady, I went searching for more recent information and found a great excerpt from a 28 November article written by Carol E. Lee (one of Jed L.'s nemesi) for Politico that says volumes about this wonderful woman's nature and character.

Biden will finish [teaching] the semester, which ends on December 13, at Delaware Technical and Community College, and [DTCC English teacher, Mary] Doody said the future second lady has already been offered jobs from D.C.-area colleges.

"She’s had some offers I think from four-year schools, but she said, ‘That’s not me,’" Doody said.

First. Rate. And. Pure. Class.

::::: MAIN COURSE :::::

BIGTIME hat-tip to Busy Bee (AKA: Bull) who emailed me information on Monday to research and share.

John Heilemann went on the Chris Matthews Show on the 7th of this month and reported that Joe Biden was asked -- sometime after the Primaries ended and before the conventions started -- if he wanted to be Secretary of State under President Obama. Biden turned the State job down to be Vice President with an open portfolio. Mr. Heilemann went on to report that Mr. Biden then actively persuaded Senator Hillary Clinton to seek the appointment as the next Secretary of State.

This was apparently something Mr. Matthews didn't know. However, what's troubling for me is that it's something that no one else is confirming either. So, I'm offering a little background on Mr. Heilemann first before going gaga at this revelation in reporting.

Mr. Heilemann wrote a piece this summer (after the end of the primaries) about the perceived conundrum about who would be the best pick as Mr. Obama's V.P. to paraphrase his argument, that the choice should be someone that offers the least distractions and possesses a marketable image that compliments his Change mantra. Biden fit half of the bill.

Snippets from Mr. Heilemann's piece are direct quotes, have been dissected out, an categorized into his views of "positive" and "negative" traits for Mr. Biden as the Democrats' V.P. Nominee.

Positive: "the best foreign-policy mind in the Democratic Party... a shot-and-a-beer kinda guy who plays well with working-class voters, a tireless and experienced campaigner capable of rousing the base... Obama genuinely likes him."

Negative: "has always suffered from his tendency to run off at the piehole... perhaps a bit too eager [to become Veep]... he reeks of the Senate, the Beltway, the entire culture that Obama has promised to transform... Biden voted to authorize the war in 2002 makes him impure in the eyes of some Democratic ultradoves."

Mr. Heilemann has a penchant for noticing (but not committing to) Mr. Obama's rise in national politics even as far back as 16 December 2006 when he wrote in a New York Magazine article the following.

"... I’m prepared to believe that [Barack Obama] would make a stronger Democratic standard-bearer than Clinton or any of the other wannabes nervously awaiting his decision. But let me also say that Weisberg, Kos, and many other Obamamaniacs must be smoking something (and, whatever it is, I’d like a taste). For all his promise, Obama is basically an empty vessel, with vulnerabilities that have been obscured by his blinding, meteoric ascent."

Now for the transcript from the Chris Matthews Show.

Discussion participants: Chris Matthews (MSNBC host), Andrea Mitchell (Senior NBC Corespondent), John Heilemann (New York Magazine), Kathleen Parker (The Washington Post).

Mr. HEILEMANN: This is--this is the deal, though, that [Joe Biden] worked out with Obama. Obama asked him if he wanted a specific portfolio or if he'd preferred to be secretary of state before he chose him, and Biden said he didn't want that. He wanted to be...


Mr. HEILEMANN: He wanted to be adviser in chief.

MATTHEWS: You're reporting that now?

Mr. HEILEMANN: He wanted to be adviser in chief to Obama.

Ms. PARKER: That's right.


Mr. HEILEMANN: And the other thing that's true is that Biden wanted Hillary at state. He was confronted with a choice, the choice was either John Kerry, who thought he was going to get this job, or Hillary. And Biden is very close to the Clintons, both Clintons. He was instrumental in making sure that that happened.

MATTHEWS: That is news.

Ms. PARKER: Yeah. I agree with that.


MATTHEWS: He turned down---he turned down the state job to take VP and he encouraged Hillary to be picked for VP--I mean for vice--for state.

Ms. PARKER: Well, that's news to me, but...

MATTHEWS: That's news. I like reporting.

So, if this can be corroborated with a second source (say within HRC's or the Transition Team's circles) what does this revelation mean?

On first impression it could simply be a nice story from the background of the primary and general election campaigns that adds to the drama involved in the strategic planning that lead to the Obama-Biden victory. It's just trivia that historians would enjoy learning after-the-fact.

Another look may suggest insider wheeling-and-dealing to garner support from Democratic strongholds in both fundraising circles and constituents' support networks including Clinton's union and women's advocacy groups, Kerry's New England financiers and Mr. Biden's judicial-stances record. But this is a rather conspiratorial viewpoint and one I'd imagine cynics and backers of the losing side may take up as cause to investigate.

My take on this potential news item leans more toward the former viewpoint with an additional extrapolation. If Mr. Biden was considered that influential with Mr. Obama in ruling out Mr. Kerry over Mrs. Clinton for State, why wouldn't it be safe to assume that Mr. Biden will have more influence come Inauguration Day in the day-to-day activities and goals of the Administration? If true, keeping a close watch on the office of the "Advisor in Chief" becomes all the more relevant as it provides the soundboard of the Oval Office.

Mr. Heilemann's commentary, though unconfirmed at this point, seems to be holding up to his background of writing critically. Should this be confirmed in the future, you can bet it will make the menu.

::::: DESSERT :::::

It's good to be the Veep-elect, but having a family as large as his also means having a Secret Service detail that more than doubles the seats at the dinner table. Such was evidenced by an article in the New York Daily News.

Don't bother with the link, it's mostly about how much "Madonna ♥'s A-Rod" and fanning the flames of speculation that Fran "The Nanny" Drescher is serious about HRC's N.Y. Senate seat anyway. Here's the pertinent information on the Vice President-elect's night out to celebrate his daughter-in-law's 40th Birthday.

Future VP Joe Biden’s Secret Service detail almost outnumbered the guests at his daughter-in-law’s LES [Lower East Side] birthday party Saturday night. More than 30 agents, who arrived in 10 cars, guarded the Elephant restaurant while the senator, his wife, Jill, and son Robert Hunter Biden toasted Robert’s wife, Kathleen, on her 40th birthday. The French-Thai restaurant was closed to the public as 40 guests listened to an "emotional and touching speech about how proud Joe was of Kathleen," said a guest. While everyone toasted with Champagne, Joe stuck to water for the night.

::::: THE CHECK ::::::

Thank you for patronage here at Joe's Inn!

Adventure? Excitement? A Jedi-elect craves not these things. What is it you seek then, Hmm?!

See you next time.

Originally posted to Patch Adam on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:05 PM PST.

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  •  Joe's Inn (14+ / 0-)

    my favorite place! :) Great as always, thank you very much!

    In the unlikely story of America there's never been anything false about hope. -Obama

    by Luthien Tinuviel on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:08:09 PM PST

  •  Joe just might get me drinking coffee, again (8+ / 0-)

    I enjoy this series, especially having been curious about our earnest and considerate VP-elect's status.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:13:34 PM PST

  •  I can't wait until 1/20/09 (12+ / 0-)

    Thanks Patch Adam for a great diary.


    Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official... ~Theodore Roosevelt

    by Pam from Calif on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:24:48 PM PST

  •  Glad to see Jill mentioned (16+ / 0-)

    An October 23 WaPo article included this

    Here in Excelsior Springs, at a luncheon for the Clay County Democrats, Biden makes a speech and then works a rope line, where she is buttonholed by a woman in her early 50s who is crying. The woman wants to thank Joe Biden for writing the breakthrough Violence Against Women Act, which became law in 1994. If that law had been on the books when she was a teenager, the woman tells Jill, "my sister would still be alive." Jill hugs the woman and says that she will tell Joe, and then she reaches out and peels off the adhesive name tag the woman is wearing. She lifts the bottom of her suit jacket, exposing a white blouse, and presses the name tag against her abdomen . ("So that I could write her a note," she explains later. "So I wouldn't lose it.")

    One great team mate for the Gentleman from Deleware!

    Listen, learn, and judge not.

    by Anne933 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:26:11 PM PST

    •  I'll be making the legislation of the VAWA (6+ / 0-)

      a focus of one of the Inn's Sunday Brunches (a special Sunday edition of the Inn to begin after the inaugural).

      Each Sunday will be a heavy focus on one aspect of the Biden Vice Presidency or an historical take on his career. Jill and the siblings will also be a part of series. I'll mark this WaPo article for reference in the VAWA piece's draft. Thank you, Anne.

      "Hew out of the mountain of despair A Stone of Hope." -Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Patch Adam on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:39:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Jill Biden (2+ / 0-)
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      JG in MD, Patch Adam

      Thank you for putting some focus on Dr. Jill Biden.  From what I have read, she seems to be a woman of great character and very down to earth.  I hope we will be reading more about her here in the future too.

      Thanks to Joe's Inn for my first cup of tea this morning too.  :)

  •  Interesting piece of news tonight, Patch (15+ / 0-)

    Biden didn't spend the last 30 years in the Senate not learning how to wheel and deal.  That's one of the things that makes him so valuable to Obama.  He knows the place inside out, and can help get things done.  Especially if he and Rahm work on the "good cop, bad cop" act together.  

    I'm looking forward to this new administration more and more each day.  Only 40 days to go!!!

    •  He & Rahmbo & Hill.: (9+ / 0-)

      A potential trifecta of filtration, straight-talking and consensus building.

      As a once powerful Illinois Governor once said: M%^$@*!#+?er! :D

      "Hew out of the mountain of despair A Stone of Hope." -Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Patch Adam on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:48:41 PM PST

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    •  the part i might quibble with (2+ / 0-)
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      kyril, Patch Adam

      is the VP or State offer.   There seemed to be consensus in the media that at the time of being put on the vet list Biden did tell obama he might not accept and that fits with what i knw of biden so maybe there was a response like "well ok, but then i will offer you state" but otherwise Obama needed Joe and i just cant imagine him giving an either or choice like that.  I had a few palpitations a the idea of Kaine or the others on the short list because Obama had to know that Biden was the only realistic choice if he wanted to be in as strong a position as possible.  To bolster the "lacks FP experience meme" (which was false but the public didnt know that), to have someone who could chew mccain up and spit him out, to have a person who knew washington inside out but was a real maverick unlike the faux maverick of mccain, so the change issue was not as attacked as might have been.  

      I still think Hillary was a very bold choice for state, an excellent one for many reasons but it strikes me as an Obama idea that Biden got behind immediately as opposed to vice versa.  it seems as if Hillary had been percolating in Obama's mind (probably ever since the "i will want advice from you too hillary" line :D) and was why he found issues with the top choices even if he wasn't sure what it was at the time.  

      Powell on palin: I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president.

      by vc2 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:59:07 AM PST

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  •  As we would hear in W. Va., Joe Bama! [n/t] (5+ / 0-)

    Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living~~Mother Jones

    by CA Berkeley WV on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 11:39:53 PM PST

  •  Talk about helping the economy! (3+ / 0-)
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    kyril, Patch Adam, kktlaw

    having a family as large as his also means having a Secret Service detail that more than doubles the seats at the dinner table


    On GOTV duty Nov 1-4 in CO. Maxed out at $538 to Obama, Clinton, O2B and ActBlue.

    by randomsubu on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 12:15:36 AM PST

  •  Thanks for the 'cup a', Patch! (9+ / 0-)

    I hope Joe Biden's salary increase is toward the higher  side of the range ($50k) -- I think he's really going to earn every penny. Go get 'em Joe!

    And for your 'good morning' photo:
    a desert hillside, windmills and
    a rainbow. And Congrats to Sec. of
    Energy designate Chu -- we need
    all the science help we can get
    at the DoE!


    If You're Afraid of the Dark, Remember the Night Rainbow - Cooper Edens

    by desertguy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 12:22:48 AM PST

  •  Very interesting menu today Patch! (5+ / 0-)

    Nice work!

  •  Hi Patch. I like your if...then analysis. If (4+ / 0-)

    Obama respects all of Joe's foreign policy experience (which he certainly does), then Joe will be front and center adviser, along with Hillary, in those discussions. I really like the Bidens. Thanks so much for keeping all of us updated on them. The Joe info is not so much on the front page, so I really appreciate your digging around for the latest Biden news. And just think how your diary will be overwhelmed when Joe is front and center in the news, which he will be often, in a good way!

    •  I'm very appreciative of your support. (4+ / 0-)
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      Im with Rosey, Scubaval, JG in MD, kktlaw

      Even the digging for Biden stories is enjoyable because I can learn a lot about his past work in the Senate, State of Delaware and life in general.

      Once the 20th comes, I'll be VERY busy indeed and all the more prepared with contacts and bookmarks to check and recheck for more accurate reporting.

      Mistakes that I make now are all the more effective in honing in on facts and relevant information. Plus, it keeps me honest. :D

      "Hew out of the mountain of despair A Stone of Hope." -Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Patch Adam on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 02:08:17 AM PST

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      •  Patch, I'm curious about your interest in Joe and (2+ / 0-)
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        Im with Rosey, Patch Adam

        the Bidens. Have you met Joe? How did you become interested in him? This might be a good diary topic while Biden news is slow. I'd REALLY like an interview with you/him. Maybe Kossacks could start a petition for a friendly interview with him/you. I'll bet he'd be flattered, and I'll bet he'd do it. Do you know if Joe reads DKos? How could we direct him to your nightly diaries? (Wow, I'm full of questions today. Too much coffee. No need to answer. Just thinkin'.)

        •  I'm flattered. (2+ / 0-)
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          Im with Rosey, kktlaw

          I became interested in Mr. Biden mostly because of that coffee pot picture from the campaign. It really spawned into an active researching project from that point despite having a passive appreciation of the Gentleman when he was a Senator.

          I'm considering asking for an interview with his newly appointed Chief Economist who is also a dKos reader and diarist. I need to read some more of his past papers before I do so, but likely can have something in the new year if I can connect with the correct people in the Transition Team.

          Anyone that's willing to help me do so, can contact me via email here. I'm taking the coverage of this very seriously because the more I read and write and comprehend the more impressed and grateful I am. :D

          Thanks for your ideas and interest.

          "Hew out of the mountain of despair A Stone of Hope." -Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

          by Patch Adam on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 03:17:27 AM PST

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          •  patch contact Joe directly (2+ / 0-)
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            JG in MD, Patch Adam

            or his office, and link him to what you do here at the Inn, asking if they can help keep you informed of little nuggets of information (perhaps put you on the reporter/blogger email list they send factoids to) and do ask for an interview as well.

            One thing i have learned over the years, a negative answer is certain if you don't ask for it. The worst case scenario is they say no, but bet his CoS will at least run it past him.   Heck my doctor was shaking his head the other day when i told him i got a chest xray done when i went to emerg for my knee ligament. (my doc is in one province while i live in another so referrals are a bitch).  I said wll it made sense to me since they were xraying my leg to ask the doc to xray my chest too! i was going to be with the machines anyway.  He said he was surprised not bc it made sense but that i had the nerve to ask.  Got an email interview with a defense lawyer in the natalee holloway case on my mb just because i asked, never expectd it. So now i suggest asking for all things.

            An email interview is good too bc they can take their time and fit in answering it around the more important things in their days increasing the likelihood they say yes.

            Powell on palin: I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president.

            by vc2 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 05:17:22 AM PST

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  •  Please 'splains this to me, Patch (2+ / 0-)
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    noabsolutes, Patch Adam

    you said

    But this is a rather conspiratorial viewpoint and one I'd imagine cynics and backers of the losing side may take up as cause to investigate.

    Are you saying that if Biden had that much pull with Obama re which job he wanted and that he wanted Hillary at State, it would be something to investigate?  Or would it just be the sore losers extrapolating from that to some conspiracy theory?

    Also, what's with the combo restaurants?  French-Thai?  Amazing!  I went to an Italian/Sushi joint last week.

    I just love our First and Second Ladies!  I hope they do some joint events and work together on some worthy projects.  I watched Michelle several times when she was talking to military wives.  That woman gets it, as I'm sure Jill does too.

    I understand how Jill feels about the community college versus university.  My goal is to teach computer courses at a community college.  As a non-traditional student, I went to my CC after (finally) getting my GED eight years ago.  Now I'm working on my MBA.  I'm hoping that Obama's education plan includes increasing the need for teachers at the college level as well.  I'm sure it will since he wants every child to be able to go to college.

    Great diary, as usual, Patch!  Thanks so much for my daily dose of Joe!

    Yes We Did!
    I am droogie6655321!

    by Scubaval on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 02:10:36 AM PST

    •  You got it on the second try, Val. :D (1+ / 0-)
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      the sore losers extrapolating from that to some conspiracy theory?

      Some in Freeperville, I imagine, are ardently looking for any chance to claim conspiracy.

      I too am considering a Masters, but am torn as to what field I should pursue. One of those "It all looks so good, I don't know where to start" outlooks. :D

      Kudos to you and your future MBA. I'll be able to claim, "I knew you when..."

      "Hew out of the mountain of despair A Stone of Hope." -Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Patch Adam on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 03:22:35 AM PST

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      •  Thanks for fleshing out the background, Patch.. (2+ / 0-)
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        Scubaval, Patch Adam

        My mouth dropped when I heard that Sunday, just because it seemed too big a story for me not to have heard anything about it before.  But I thought it illustrated Joe's importance to the team right in the middle of all the "whatever happened to Joe Biden?" stories we were getting from a media bored with a mostly drama-free transition.

        (Of course now they have two weeks, minimum of Blago to chew on, but that's neither here nor there.)

        Looking over the transcript, it reinforces that Sen. Biden was Obama's key choice - he wanted Joe on board one way or the other, in whatever job Biden felt he could make the most impact.  Once he chose VP, that was it until after the election - and I would think that's the time the SoS and other cabinet choices came up in Obama-Biden meetings.

        So while the media is having a cow over some variation of "Isn't Biden threatened by Hillary at Foggy Bottom, wasn't he supposed to be the foreign policy point man?" - behind the scenes Biden is calmly doing his advisor-in-chief thing.  And apparently endorsing the choice of Sen. Clinton over the presumed favorite, Sen. John Kerry.

        (And don't discount that the VP-elect considered Sen. Kerry's role as the new head of the Senate Foreign Relations committee as part of the Obama Administration foreign policy, so I wouldn't automatically call this a diss, either.)

        Government based on Conservative Christian Theocracy is not a recipe for success, it's Saudi Arabia under a different prophet.

        by Bull Schmitt on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 08:26:17 AM PST

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    •  Jill Biden is a hero to people like me (3+ / 0-)
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      Scubaval, JG in MD, Patch Adam

      (and maybe, you). She knows what kind of teacher she means to be, and she has the right perspective even when she's being wooed by top-dollar colleges. A class act.

      President-elect Barack Obama.

      by noabsolutes on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 06:08:35 AM PST

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  •  Thanks for doing this (5+ / 0-)

    I like your approach. These compendia diaries are better than most columnists in dead-tree newspapers for keeping us informed.

    Keep up the good work!


    •  those dead-tree columnists (3+ / 0-)
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      Im with Rosey, dmhlt 66, Patch Adam

      provide bloggers with the information on which to speculate. Please be honest. There is very little original reporting in our diaries or in most blogs.

      I have problems with some journalists, but please, can we acknowledge that without them we'd have little fodder for our diaries.

      -7.38, -5.23 I'm celebrating Barack Obama's victory. Catch me with the protests after 01.20.09.

      by CocoaLove on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:22:07 AM PST

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      •  Good Point (2+ / 0-)
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        JG in MD, Patch Adam

        CocoaLove.  I think there will always be a place for tradmedia.  Many use it as a jumping-off place.  As long as people realize there is always more to a story and they should look for further info/correction, then there is a place for everyone.  The only thing that is of concern are the people thinking that msm is the only source they need.

      •  Columnists, not reporters (1+ / 0-)
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        Patch Adam

        You mistake my point here. I said columnists, as in OPINION columnists, because both opinion columnists, and, frankly, everyone here at Kos, have a predetermined mindset that colors  how they analyze current trends. Reporters, if they live up to their oft-trumpeted journalistic standards, dispassionately recount the details of the events of the day. Yes, I know reporters have their own by-lines, and people who look to them, specifically as individuals, for accuracy, as we all do to Walter Pincus and Helen Thomas (back when she was beat reporter, even though she's no less incisive now).

        I like to think of people like Kula and Joe magnifying the Frank Riches of the world, while, to some extent, canceling the Brookses and Kristols, okay?


  •  Nice roundup, Patch (2+ / 0-)
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    TrueBlueMajority, Patch Adam

    Thank you for including the John Heilemann item. I thought I read that somewhere. I'd love to get more details about the negotiations that ultimately brought Biden to the team as vice president. Gotta call some of my sources.

    -7.38, -5.23 I'm celebrating Barack Obama's victory. Catch me with the protests after 01.20.09.

    by CocoaLove on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:24:41 AM PST

    •  Please do call. Let me know what you find. (0+ / 0-)

      There's a great debate in the comments above between the dead-tree journalists and bloggers.

      This and my intent to work toward getting an interview with some in the Biden-Transition team are exactly the kinds of projects that can help bloggers and traditional journalists get past the competitiveness and truly work with synergy.

      "Hew out of the mountain of despair A Stone of Hope." -Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by Patch Adam on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:46:03 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  you're only a Jedi-elect? (1+ / 0-)
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    Patch Adam

    could have fooled me!

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
    We inaugurate President Barack Obama in 40 days!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 04:36:05 AM PST

    •  Gotta have Joe in a lab suit photo (1+ / 0-)
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      Patch Adam

      the science side of the admin is so intelligent and public spirited. Got me thinking what his science interests and creds are, Joe's that is.

      good Chu diary linked posted over at Kulas.

      and at 8:00 am EST, time to go prepare for the severe day in the severe weather they are throwing at us, two types. Get at the In, that would be a double stack.

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