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Don't get sidetracked by sporadic efforts to link Blago with Obama because they both once read the same newspaper. Joining the CNN and LA Times tonight is the NBC/WSJ poll, and Americans have something else on their mind: in recognition of real life problems, the President-elect is getting record support.

Overall, a majority of Americans are confident in Mr. Obama's ability to govern and unify the country, with many who didn't vote for him now seeing him in a positive light. The poll found 73% of American adults approve of the way he is handling the transition and his preparations for becoming president.

More:

Polling indicates that the nation is more unified around Mr. Obama than it was for either Bill Clinton in 1992 or George W. Bush in 2000. Americans say the challenges, too, are greater, with 77% of those surveyed predicting Mr. Obama will face bigger challenges than most recent presidents have.

So far, Americans are buoyed. He's viewed favorably by more Americans than ever. Three of four say he has struck the right balance over how involved he should be in making policy before taking office. And two-thirds of Americans say they are generally pleased with the people he has appointed.

Hopefully, one lesson learned from the last election is the value in using data to inform opinion. And American opinion right now says this:

...the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that a whopping 75 percent of respondents believe that the president-elect has had the right level of involvement in making policy. That's compared with just 12 percent who think that Obama has become too involved, and 11 percent who say -- as [Barney] Frank did -- that he has not been involved enough.

Americans are in this together. From the complete poll (.pdf):

Would you be willing to take a five percent pay cut if it meant saving jobs at your place of work?

Yes, would be willing  64
No, would not be willing 28
Not sure 8

And what of Bush? Well, Bush is certainly a historic figure, as those Republicans desperate to rewrite his legacy are learning... this graphic is modified from the complete NBC/WSJ poll:

Worst than most = 48? That puts into perspective Bill Schneider's comment from yesterday (referring to the CNN poll):

"An Obama job approval rating of 79 percent -- that's the sort of rating you see when the public rallies around a leader after a national disaster," said  Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political analyst. "To many Americans, the Bush administration was a national disaster."

You betcha.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:45 PM PST.

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    •  He sho' is a national disaster! (4+ / 0-)
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      majcmb1, StrayCat, aj2k, mscharizmaa

      He's akin to combined Hurricane Katrina & the Asian Tsunami. Devastating with little hope of recovery. And look here we are in the economic doldrums, social malaise, broken institutions. And he has no Freaking clue!!!

      "Scandals don't stay underground like cassava: they always come out" -- Ewe Proverb

      by zizi on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:51:34 PM PST

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  •  America is on a honeymoon with Obama (20+ / 0-)

    The Republican party is like the jerkoff ex-husband trying to spoil the trip.  America is unlikely to be pleased with such behavior.

    Our long national nightmare is almost over. Congratulations and blessings to all.

    by Dallasdoc on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:47:09 PM PST

    •  And when the new husband is sooooooo (11+ / 0-)

      much better than the ex the honeymoon can last a long time.

      "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." - Jimi Hendrix

      by on board 47 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:51:45 PM PST

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    •  I hope it's not just me (4+ / 0-)

      that is sick of hearing Republicans talk about the economy.  They're the ones who got us into this mess, so why are they giving their neo-Hoover prescriptions now.  Here's my advice on how Republicans can be taken seriously on the economy:

      1. Stop lying about the causes of the crisis.  Hint: it's not poor people buying houses, the CRA or Fannie and Freddie.
      1. Stop blaming workers for the problems, such as $70/hr autoworkers.
      1. Try not to sound like Herbert Hoover

      Let our new progressive era begin!

      by Unstable Isotope on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:36:40 PM PST

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      •  Stop lying?? (3+ / 0-)
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        That would render them nearly mute.

      •  God it makes me angry to hear them (2+ / 0-)
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        telling people it was poor people and minorities that were responsible. And then those ignorant Limbaugh listeners believe it! It is vicious. Create an economy where there is more poverty and hunger and desperation than we've seen since the 30's, and then BLAME the poor, hungry and desperate for it. It is just bullshit. To believe for a second that the powerful men who run these banks were just victimized by Ted the gas-station-guy into giving out loans over their better judgement. Whatever. All because of a law created by Carter?

        "YOPP!" --Horton Hears a Who

        by Reepicheep on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:10:55 PM PST

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    •  Good point + GHW Bush is less hated than Clinton (0+ / 0-)

      Very interesting that GHW Bush is more highly rated than Clinton - nostalgia (People have had eight years to forget how much he sucked?).

      I really don't think it's meaningful to look at the poll numbers of Obama before he's even in office. It's of passing interest at best. Personally, I think he's going to be one of the best presidents in history, but he needs to actually be president to do that.

      But I've got a theory that the 24 hour news cycle, internet blogs, Republican partisan hacks and so on are just generally going to lead to lower approval ratings. Maybe Obama will beat this trend, but its a trend that's seen across many countries. In Germany, basically every Bundeskanzler has had lower approval ratings then the last on leaving office. I suspect Obama will have at least 16% "worse than most" by the end of his firs term.

      I'm a progressive, and a realist - only be embracing the sometimes unfortunate aspects of reality can we make maximum progress!

      by The Progressive Majority on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:45:42 PM PST

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      •  Triangulation and media play (0+ / 0-)

        People absolutely despise that, on top of the media was turning rightwing outlet too.

        Had Clinton play it straight with people, he might end in far higher note.

        I for one am afraid of what the righwing media is going to do to Obama. Already, even before Obama hit the office they are looking for something.

        •  Rightwing - Leftwing (0+ / 0-)

          Things are more partisan on both sides now in my opinion, for that reason alone I think Obama will end up with more strong negative opinions.

          I'm a progressive, and a realist - only be embracing the sometimes unfortunate aspects of reality can we make maximum progress!

          by The Progressive Majority on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 10:52:24 PM PST

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          •  Rightwing media (0+ / 0-)

            was new and bold approach at the time ('96). Of course compared to current situation, people are far more sophisticated and able to parse what is what from the like of Fox News, etc.

            •  Media is just more specialized (0+ / 0-)

              Absolutely, some people are more able to parse what comes out of various media outlets.

              But these very partisan news outlets didn't exist to nearly the same degree on the right or the left in the 1970s and 80s. Now we've got outlets like Daily KOS as well as talk radio and mainstream biased outlets like Fox (Don't get me wrong, I think KOS is correct 100%, but it is biased left of the mainstream). There's always going to be 10-15+ % of people who are liable to dislike a president of opposite party. Slanted news outlets give people the ideological ammunition to confirm their biases - especially right wing biases.

              Happily though, we will get to see since Obama is actually going to be president :-)

              I'm a progressive, and a realist - only be embracing the sometimes unfortunate aspects of reality can we make maximum progress!

              by The Progressive Majority on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 01:20:03 PM PST

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  •  EVER & EVER (2+ / 0-)
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    2 Bush's in the top 7 "W"orst presidents. No More Bush's...EVER!

    •  Amen (6+ / 0-)

      No Jeb

      No Jenna

      No not-Jenna

      Save the parrots: Drink shade-grown coffee!

      by oscarsmom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:57:17 PM PST

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    •  'Worst Prez Ever' doesn't cut it. (0+ / 0-)

      I've been going mad trying to remember where I heard or read this. YouTube? Radio? Overheard in passing? It was sometime after his re-election, I think. Priceless.

      Bush is the worst President ever. The worst President we've ever had. America's ever had. Hell, any country's ever had. Jesus Christ with fries on the side! He's worse than the worst President or Prime Minister or Premier or Chancellor or Chairman or Leader or whatever of any country or company or organization or gang or...or any fuckin' thing since forever, anything that ever had a leader! And I tell ya, that still doesn't cut it!

      Quoted from memory, but probably pretty close.

      O karma...O dharma...Obama!

      by gotgat54 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 12:26:48 AM PST

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  •  People can see through the fog of pundits (5+ / 0-)
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    and blathering columnists - the concern trolls of the Beltway, like Maureen Dowd and Ruth Marcus, have once again been proven wrong.

    •  Speaking of people... (9+ / 0-)

      Would you be willing to take a five percent pay cut if it meant saving jobs at your place of work?

      Yes, would be willing  64
      No, would not be willing 28
      Not sure 8

      Any data on how many of those greedy 28%'ers are also Bush supporters?

      People don't even notice the Maureen Dowds.  She probably gets more attention here than she does in Manhattan, let alone the Midwest.

      Our long national nightmare is almost over. Congratulations and blessings to all.

      by Dallasdoc on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:49:46 PM PST

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    •  Thank You! (2+ / 0-)
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      Screw the pundits! We are in a crisis like never before. People are hurting for work. People are hungry. People are dying because they don't have adequate health care. The entire world is hurting and its not just the United States. Its the entire world. People for all over the world are waiting to talk to Obama because they believe in him. I believe in him. Pundits get paid to talk. They don't talk to us. They don't know what we are going through. The poll speaks louder than anything. Its gotta be killing them that despite it all Obama is still standing strong. Sorry to rant like I did, but thats just how I feel.

    •  Everytime They Start Attcking Obama Because (1+ / 0-)
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      of Blago; because of the economic meltdown; because he won the election - I am finding myself just turning them off.  This surprises me because inspite of my deep anger and frustration throughout the Clinton media messes and the last eight horrible years of shameful propaganda, I rarely turned them off.  Now I can't stand them.

      Unlike the Clinton scandals (such as they were), I don't think the media Heathers are going to be able to up their ratings attacking Obama.  My habit is to tune in but times are too hard to abide their superficial and corrosive crap.

      I certainly know that Obama will upset me (FISA, PATRIOT Act II) in the future but I've only seen substantive critiques of Obama on the Toobz.  So I guess between the Toobz and Obama's website (esp. Open For Questions) I'm glad I don't need the Heathers at all.

      I just have to break the habit of tuning in to them in the first place.  Hopefully it's easier than kicking the cancer sticks.

      "You can tell the truth but you better have a fast horse." - Rita Mae Brown -8.38, -5.54

      by majcmb1 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:25:16 PM PST

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      •  I have broken the habit and the reason I had (1+ / 0-)
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        to watch or read them earlier was because my obsession with how the race was going - can Obama win? (or before then, who will rid us of Bush?) - compelled me to follow every detail which could, in some possible way, real or mythical, affect the outcome.

  •  God bless Bill Schneider. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  was the poll taken... (1+ / 0-)
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    before the current Chicago stir-up?

    "War is the health of the state." Rudolf Bourne "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."Samuel Johnson

    by american pastoral on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:48:41 PM PST

    •  the specs (6+ / 0-)

      December 5-8, 2008

      Interviews: 1,009 adults, including 103 reached by cell phone

      Overall margin of error: +/- 3.1 percentage points

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:51:01 PM PST

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      •  I suspect it may have shifted... (0+ / 0-)

        some away from Obama after the current news cycle. Thanks for the info.

        "War is the health of the state." Rudolf Bourne "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."Samuel Johnson

        by american pastoral on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:59:51 PM PST

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        •  nope (4+ / 0-)

          Most folks are unmoved by individual news cycles, particularly when there is real news affecting their lives.

          I was at an office holiday party and NO ONE brought up the Illinois mess. NO ONE.  This just doesn't hit people when they are getting ready for the holiday, hearing about friends and family members who have lost their jobs, and worrying about potential layoffs.

          •  I hope you are correct.... (1+ / 0-)
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            But tomorrows press conference may be ugly. I am like most people, unsure if I will be in business this coming spring. I support Obama, I am also somewhat concerned that this kind of stuff could derail his plans.

            "War is the health of the state." Rudolf Bourne "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."Samuel Johnson

            by american pastoral on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:06:12 PM PST

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            •  from rasmussen (3+ / 0-)

              Wednesday, December 10, 2008

              The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Approval Index shows that 43% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way Barack Obama is handling the role of President-elect while just 16% Strongly Disapprove. That’s the fifth straight day that Obama has earned a +27 rating in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Approval Index.

              http://www.rasmussenreports.com/...

              Not much change.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:15:04 PM PST

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            •  No. No, no, no! (0+ / 0-)

              We will not let absolutely no connection to a scum-puppy like Blago take Obama down or distract from his mission.  This WILL NOT BE the next "Whitewater" or "Vince Foster" or any other Royal Nonesuch.  Stop it.  Fight it.  Speak against it.  Repeat to yourself and anyone else who is interested "there is NO connection between Blago's scum-baggery and Barack Obama."
              And when the Rethugs and their corporate pals try to torpedo President Obama's agendas with "Harry and Louise ads" and threatened filibusters . . .
              FIGHT THEM!Fight them, and again fight them.  With your money, with your words, with your influence, and with your thoughts and prayers.

              "I shall never surrender or retreat." --Lieutenant Colonel William Barret Travis

              by badger1968 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:32:19 PM PST

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              •  I know they are trying to connect Obama but the (2+ / 0-)
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                American public will not forgot that part of the audio where Blago says "Fuck Obama" and others that they (meaning the Obama camp) are not playing ball.  The American people will get that.  What hurt Clinton was "I didn't have sex with that woman."  Americans can take in parts of narrative that are direct and heard or seen.  Details lost in official documents have less impact on the typical American who devotes a much less percentage of time to the news than Kossacks do.

              •  Yes -- we have to get good at responding to (0+ / 0-)

                attacks, flooding networks or papers with emails, letters, calls -- insisting that the media not play the character assasination game.

          •  The news from Chicago (2+ / 0-)
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            DemFromCT, Matt Z

            I went to a dinner party last night and the news story from Illinois everyone wanted to talk about was Republic Window.  Even the more white-collary people in attendance were supportive of the workers.  Not one mention of Blogojevich that I recall.

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            by ActivistGuy on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:10:10 PM PST

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  •  Talk about understatement.... (9+ / 0-)

    "Overall, a majority of Americans...."

    Um, 73 percent.  Yeah, it's a majority. In the Senate it would be called a Supermajority (or SuperSuperMajority).  In an election, it would be called a Landslide.  As a Bush approval rating, it would be called a miracle.

    Let's give the Man his due.  Brilliant!!!

    reality is the fiction my mind endorses; Reality is the Fiction the Media endorses

    by rvdee on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:52:46 PM PST

  •  I'm not sure I buy this at all (0+ / 0-)

       Would you be willing to take a five percent pay cut if it meant saving jobs at your place of work?

       Yes, would be willing  64
       No, would not be willing 28
       Not sure 8

    This may be what they say to a pollster so they can feel good about themselves, but I doubt this is true.

    I think people would be willing to accept a 5% pay cut if it meant the company staying in business, but probably not if it only meant stopping layoffs.

  •  Most people WANT to feel good (4+ / 0-)

    about their country.

    Personally, I'm flaunting a big old flag sticker for the next four years.  Right next to my "Yes We Did"!

    Furthermore, I'm handing them out by the dozen, on inauguration day, to everyone I can find who has Obama gear.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:54:52 PM PST

  •  "In this together" (2+ / 0-)
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    Following up on this question:  Would you be willing to take a five percent pay cut if it meant saving jobs at your place of work?

    Further questions:

    Have you already taken pay cuts of 5% or more?

    If yes, has your boss taken  a pay cut?

    Would you take a pay cut knowing your boss will be paying himself a bonus this year?

    Should bosses get bonuses based on how much savings they can realize by cutting worker pay?

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    by ActivistGuy on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:55:06 PM PST

  •  Is Bush still president? (6+ / 0-)

    Please stop reminding me!

    Save the parrots: Drink shade-grown coffee!

    by oscarsmom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:56:11 PM PST

  •  And yet Democrats cave and cave (5+ / 0-)
    some more. For some reason, Pelosi and crew are afraid of Bush, and they keep giving him everything he wants. Why?
  •  I didn't see my choice there (4+ / 0-)
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    Worst ever

    The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's better than what we have now

    by sizzzzlerz on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:57:30 PM PST

  •  "He can't win Bill! He just can't win!" (4+ / 0-)
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    Save the parrots: Drink shade-grown coffee!

    by oscarsmom on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:57:56 PM PST

  •  that "5% pay cut to save your job" question . . . (3+ / 0-)
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    is BS, and feeds into exactly the WRONG attitude for progressives to take.  Real wages in the US have gone down every year since the 80's.  Where I work, for an example, NOBODY in the entire plant has gotten a raise in the last six years. Even the minimum wage has not kept pace with inflation.

    Whatever it is that's trashing the American economy, "wages are too high" is NOT one of them.  It's not even in the top ten.

    Some of us still remember the Reagan/Bush years, when company after company after company went weeping and moaning to its workers that they HAD to take a pay cut or the plant would close -- the workers obligingly gave in, took the pay cut, and the plant closed anyway.

    Cut MY pay to save the company's incompetent ass?  Hell no.  The average pay of CEO's has gone up a few hundred percent -- I suggest we cut THEIR pay instead.

    Editor, Red and Black Publishers http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

    by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 04:57:59 PM PST

  •  we need leadership now! (0+ / 0-)

    please god, get us to january 20th in okay shape, so Obama can get started on change quickly and effectively.

    First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win - Gandhi

    by mysticlaker on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:01:07 PM PST

  •  But, but, but........Dave Sirota and Matt Stoller (3+ / 0-)
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    say Obama sucks....... So the 73% doesn't matter.

  •  President-Elect vs President-Reject (1+ / 0-)
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    The GOP. The last refuge of the greedies, the fundies and the nasties.

    by nailmaker on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:22:17 PM PST

    •  Did you see the Daily Show.. (1+ / 0-)
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      ..the other night?

      There was a segment titled President Gallant & President Goofus.

      It was hysterical.

      We are star stuff which has taken its destiny into its own hands. The loom of time and space works the most astonishing transformations of matter. - Carl Sagan

      by aclockworkprple on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:29:39 PM PST

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  •  OMG they typed on the same computer once! (0+ / 0-)

    they must be BOTH criminals!

  •  With Obama getting numbers like that (0+ / 0-)
    It's not surprising that the media and the scumbag rethugs are trying to tarnish him with a bogus phony nonsense about senate seat selling.
  •  Ya know what's really impressive to me? (0+ / 0-)

    The Obama has a 79% job approval rating and the KKK is still alive and well. That's effing impressive.

  •  Well you really hit the nail on the head here (3+ / 0-)

    Don't get sidetracked by sporadic efforts to link Blago with Obama because they both once read the same newspaper.

    It should be refreshing to find out that our leaders know HOW to read and have READ a newspaper.  

    Sorry, Sarah, the funny papers do not count as reading the newspaper.

    "When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." --Abraham Lincoln

    by winter outhouse on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:27:33 PM PST

  •  Dismissive as in (2+ / 0-)

    You may go now....

  •  I wonder how many of those (1+ / 0-)
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    who said the Bush administration was a national disaster helped to put them there.  It's rather amusing how many people I work with have selective amnesia where their voting record is concerned now that everything I warned them about has come true... and worse.

  •  The only thing I can think of. . . (0+ / 0-)

    is this is still the "old" congress.  The "new" congress will punch the clock on Jan. 6, right? Maybe, just maybe, they are getting ready to become Killer Whales instead of Jellyfish.

    The republitards are talking about fillibuster this, fillibuster that, with PE Obama's approval rating in the high 70's, I don't think a fillibuster will be tolerated by anyone other than the right rump.

    "When you look for the bad in mankind expecting to find it, you surely will." --Abraham Lincoln

    by winter outhouse on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:32:25 PM PST

  •  What really made me happy was this! (1+ / 0-)
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    While Obama seems to be enjoying a honeymoon with the public, it’s finalizing its divorce with  President George W. Bush. Americans have a much more negative impression of him than they did of his father, George H.W. Bush, or Clinton before they left office. According to the poll, 79 percent say they’re not going to miss him.

    That was the best part.

  •  At least they probably (1+ / 0-)
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    can both name the newspaper that they read.

  •  Not necessarily the best news (0+ / 0-)

    If the positive polling reflects people who expect Obama to come in, wave the wand, and solve all the problems painlessly there will be huge disappointment and speedy backlash to negative ratings.

    If, as I hope, the American people in aggregate are smarter than the system has given them credit for, and they are willing to hear hard truths, and step up with tough sacrifices for the common cause - well, then, we are good to go.

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    by Catte Nappe on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:34:36 PM PST

    •  don't think so (2+ / 0-)
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      from LA Times, great numbers, realistic expectations.

      Despite that abundant goodwill, however, there are doubts about how much Obama can accomplish once he takes office Jan. 20.

      Although just over a quarter of those surveyed expressed confidence that he could achieve many of the goals he outlined during his campaign, a similar number said they expected him to accomplish few of those goals over the next four years. A plurality, 44%, said they expected Obama to accomplish some, but not all, of what he has proposed.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:42:27 PM PST

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      •  People seem to recognize the difficulty of the (1+ / 0-)
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        challenges ahead.  It would be aberrational for a group of people, Americans, look at the mess of the last eight years if not much longer, and have great confidence that all of our tough problems can be solved in the near term.

  •  4% of the people are really f---ing stupid (1+ / 0-)
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    2% "One of the Best"?!
    2% "Not Sure"?!

    At least it's only 4%...

  •  noble beats pathological everyitme (0+ / 0-)

    what we can do, we will do

    by lemarais17 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:50:22 PM PST

  •  So hey, RNC (1+ / 0-)
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    Keep right on "demanding" that Obama release records of all staff contact with Governor Blagojevich. Keep right on preparing for Clinton Wars Redux.

    That's exactly what America wants you to do.  Really.

    I promise this will bring your party back to power and relevance.  Cross my heart fingers and hope to die (laughing).

    Hey, Wolf. DailyKos is the Best Political Team on the planet.

    by Alden on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 05:59:07 PM PST

  •  Limbaugh today. Wright, Rezko, Flager. Blago. (0+ / 0-)

    Today. What's his point, doing it today? I mean, does he intend to influence the general election?

    It's OK to spout one's crazy content-free opinions, we're all Americans and that's our right. But using my airwaves to undermine Obama before he's even taken office, well, that is a travesty.

    When Clinton took office in '93, Limbaugh started a campaign ... "America held hostage, Day 1". And he didn't stop until Clinton won reelection in '96, he counted up every radio day. That was his parody, you see, of American Iran-hostage news coverage, and it was protected speech, but it was intended to undermine Clinton and it worked.  

    We.must.push.back.against.hate.radio.now.

    Let's restore the Fairness Doctrine, for a start.

  •  Popularity doesn't matter (1+ / 0-)
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    The election has been won.  Now use the power to invoke the change that was promised regardless of how popular it is.

    Bush forced his ideology on us and didn't care if we liked it.  I hope Obama is half as successful at getting his policies adopted as Bush was.  And I don't care if he leaves office less popular than Bush so long as his policies support rather than destroy:

    1.  The Constitution
    1.  Our reputation in the world
    1.  Peace
    1.  Economic Prosperity and the Middle Class
    1.  Human Rights

    That said, I think his popularity has as much to do with approval of his actions to date and relief that he is not Bush as it does with anything else.

    But let's not "keep the powder dry" in an effort to be popular.  That would be the Reid/Pelosi way and that is one of the reasons we are in this current mess.

    •  popularity is significant to the extent it (0+ / 0-)

      influences other politicians and even international leaders to feel compelled to adopt or follow Obama's policies.  The fact, for instance, that Obama is so popular in Great Britain means that any P.M., Gordon Brown or his successor, will have to take note of what Obama's position on a various matter is and weigh that in with his calculus about whether to give it his support.

      •  Obviously (0+ / 0-)

        but in what is a clear indictment of our Democratic Congressional leadership, Bush's lack of popularity did not mean that they did not roll over for Bush.

        Internationally speaking, I do not think Obama's appointments or policies are the root of his popularity.  I think it is that he is not Bush and he is not Republican and he seems to have a brain.  Pursuing domestic policies that may be unpopular here will have no impact on his international standing.

        •  Using a developing your political capital is what (0+ / 0-)

          an effective politician like Obama does.  The Congressional leadership, moreso under Daschle's leadership, failed to put up a fight against Bush, particularly but not exclusively on Iraq.  Once our troops were there, our options became tremendously limited both in terms of how to get out and, in terms of the things being in Iraq prevented us from doing.

          As to your other point, about his opinion overseas, I'm not saying his decisions on domestic policy will influence his standing abroad. I'm saying that when he goes to another world leader and says, we need to stop the genocide in Darfur, if the people of that country love Obama, there will be more pressure on that country's leader to get behind Obama and the United States.    

          •  We're not disagreeing (0+ / 0-)

            except that I hold Reid/Pelosi more accountable because they both had a majority after 2006 and (I felt) a clear mandate from the voters to stand up to Bush...and they not only failed to stand up to him, they facilitated his policies.  Utter failures.

            I understand accumulating political capital...I just want to make sure the goal is to use it.  So far I haven't seen Democratic leadership determine that an issue is important enough to use their capital.  Not on torture, wiretapping, the Supreme court, funding Iraq or anything else.

            I have my questions whether Obama will aggressively use it.  The jury is out whether he is a moderate and a compromiser or whether he will truly carry the flag for the progressive movement.

            I have big hopes, but I remain skeptical.

  •  One thing I can (1+ / 0-)
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    always count on the Republicans to do: they almost always overreach. This is no difference, especially now that they have no ideas of their own to push forward.

    What makes this time also dangerous for them is that, Americans are in dire straits. Yes, Blago is a scum ball and what he did is atrocious, but bottom line, people are losing their jobs, homes, and are afraid for their future.

    So, let the Republicans keep it up. If Obama can work hard and begin to make people's lives better again, the Republicans will have nothing but their toothless venom to spew.

    For my part, just as I did tonight, I will continue sending e-mails to the so-called media folks, reminding them that Obama has no role in this scandal, and that they need to be sure that when they cover the story to do so without making guilt by association references.

    Lord knows we had enough of that in the campaign, with Ayers, Wright, etc.

    I have reminded them and will continue to remind them that I am among millions of others laid off from jobs, who want to see the government working to help us restore our lives again.

    I sent out more than a dozen letters tonight, especially after I read Bob Cesca's piece at Huffington Post.

    I think those of us who can, should all press the media to cover the issues that is impacting the lives of Americans, and as they cover the Blago issue, cover it without giving an impression that the Obama team is a part of this crazy guy's schemes.

  •  "not as good as most" & "def. worse than most" (0+ / 0-)

    Um.... aren't those responses exactly the same thing?

  •  Yes, would be willing 64 (0+ / 0-)

    Yes, would be willing  64
    No, would not be willing 28

    ...to take a pay cut to save jobs.

    Isn't that really close to the Democratic midterm victory in 2006 and Obama's victory in 2008?

    OK, not THAT close, but enough to suggest the party affiliation of those who said "screw my neighbor?" And how many of them were fundies?  Just askin'.

    I love the smell of impeachment in the morning!

    by gabbardd on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:45:51 PM PST

  •  Like the Usual Murder/Suicide Wrong Order (0+ / 0-)
    One backwars custom too many Americans cherish is the murder/suicide, where the killer really just gets wrong the order of the killing.

    It seems that we also have a problem getting wrong the order of our political judgements. If we'd had the brains to dismiss Bush before letting him run the country to ruin for 8 years, we might have a lot more to strongly support Obama with now.

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 06:56:22 PM PST

  •  In what planet is GHWB "better than most" (0+ / 0-)

    presidents?  Granted I was very young when he was around but ... really?

  •  With David Shuster, Anderson Cooper, Chris (0+ / 0-)

    Matthews, and not to mention the rotund-ball-of-hate Hannity, doing their best to tar Obama, it is very reassuring to see that the American people are not buying the MSM bias bs anymore.

    It's a beautiful day!

    by JoanMar on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 07:07:09 PM PST

  •  Apparently we can't hope for indictments (0+ / 0-)
    ...but "Hope" and a fervent desire for "Change" springs eternal -- or for at least a couple of years, when, after the 2010 mid-terms, we are going to look for indictments!
  •  style note (1+ / 0-)
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    Not that anybody is going to see this way down here on a thread the world has passed by, but...   I know that the expression "supportive of" as in the headline "Americans strongly supportive of Obama" has been in vogue for the last twenty years or so, but that doesn't make it right.

    Originally it was added to the lexicon to indicate psychological support for someone, as opposed to say--supporting a spouse with money.  But it became a virus.  I remember writing what I thought was a satire speculating that soon people would be saying they are supportive of a candidate instead of that they support a candidate.  Yeah, pretty funny.

    The point is that it's unnecessary and weeny.  In this case, people support Obama, and they won't miss Bush.  They support Obama politically; they aren't supportive of his difficult psychological transition to living with the Secret Service hovering over his breakfast.

    I realize this is a lost cause, like trying to get people to say "daily" or "every day" instead of "on a daily basis," etc.  But I support such efforts, and I am supportive of those who are going to be ignored for making them.    

    "The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan

    by Captain Future on Wed Dec 10, 2008 at 08:29:39 PM PST

    •  I am supportive of good writing (0+ / 0-)

      and I support people who comment on it.

      I do pick and choose my lost causes, however.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 05:52:50 AM PST

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    •  Language nuance is a beautiful thing (0+ / 0-)

      Actually, saying "a person supports" is a description of what they do. Saying "a person is supportive" describes a quality of that person. These nuances may go right past the careless writer, but they are part of why I love language so much.

      We do not learn by experience, but by our capacity for experience. --The Buddha

      by not a kid no mor on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 07:04:38 AM PST

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  •  The 2% who think (0+ / 0-)

    GW Bush is "one of the very best" must all be stand-up comedians and/or writers on comedy shows! Bush has been a real gift to that group -- and ONLY that group of people.

  •  If Obama and Blago did read the same newspaper (0+ / 0-)

    that does make Obama guilty by association - and of course Palin, too, becuz she reads that paper too, doncha know.

    We do not learn by experience, but by our capacity for experience. --The Buddha

    by not a kid no mor on Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 07:01:35 AM PST

  •  one president at a time (0+ / 0-)
    undoubtedly bush is the worst president and deserves impeachment, trial and punishment. for those who agreed "we can only have one president at a time", for those who feared the rush of bills bush passed before the 60 day deadline, for those who want the rule of law restored and want balance to what constitutes an impeachable offense (subverting the democracy-nixon, a family matter of infidelity-clinton, or killing 1.2M and invading 2 countries based on lies-bush), it seems so many problems could have been resolved if congress had taken the one step that would have made the difference - impeachment. we could have gotten our new president sooner, the bills would have not been passed, and the world could start on the reconciliation action that much sooner.
  •  worst president current criminal bush (0+ / 0-)
    did you every wonder why they moved from crawford to dallas? how can this war criminal continually ask a legal staff to travel to the out of the way place of crawford to defend him. besides he expects to cash in on his war booty by moonlighting for some of his benefactors and fill his own blood tainted coffers now.

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