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They are the high tech jobs of the defense industry.  they pay really well, however, very few are actually quilified to perform in these positions.

All you need is 4 years of a computer degree, perfect credit, a life without any real issues, like being arrested, or getting a DUI.  and the ability to pass a lie  detector test.  

why am I posting this?  

Well in today's economy, we need jobs, why not retrain the unemployed?  It would take about 6 - 10 weeks to get the basics in.  

there are open houses, and these invitational interviews everyday.  Apparently we can not get enough people to fill the positions, so why not train?

I remember, they don't want us to work.

TS/SCI Invitational Interview Event

Tuesday, January 6, 2009
Embassy Suites Baltimore at BWI Airport

General Dynamics Information Technology, an industry leader helping the Intelligence Community complete critical missions, is hosting an Invitational Interview Event on Tuesday, January 6, 2009 in Linthicum, Maryland. Hiring Managers will be interviewing technical professionals possessing active TS/SCI (including full scope polygraphs) clearances for the following exciting opportunities:

 

Positions requiring TS/SCI Clearances:

   * CITRIX Systems Administrators
   * Digital Forensic Analyst
   * Electrical Power Engineer — Ft. Gordon, GA
   * Electrician, Iraq
   * ENOC Service Desk Technicians
   * Fiber Technicians
   * Info Security Analysts
   * IT Desktop Installers
   * IT Security Incident Handlers
   * Systems Administrator — Ft. Bragg, NC
   * JWICS A/V Engineers
   * JWICS NOC Systems Controllers
   * JWICS NOC Systems Controllers
   * Manager, Information Systems
   * Network Engineer — TS/SCI — Deploy OCONUS
   * Network Technician — Ft. Gordon, GA
   * Nortel PBX Technician — Ft. Gordon, GA
   * Oracle DBA — Patrick AFB, FL
   * Principal Engineer, Systems
   * Principal Information Assurance Analyst
   * SAN/NAS Systems Administrator — MacDill, FL
   * Senior Network Engineers
   * Senior Systems Engineers
   * Senior Systems Engineers
   * Service Desk Technicians
   * Sr Developer, Web — CUBA
   * Sr Network Engineer — TS/SCI — Deploy OCONUS
   * Security Officer — CUBA
   * Technical Editor
   * Sr. Communications Engineer — Ft. Gordon, GA
   * Sr. Information Security Analyst
   * Sr. Network Engineer
   * Sr. SharePoint Developers, Iraq
   * Sr. UNIX Administrator — Ft. Gordon, GA
   * Sr. Web Designer/Programmers
   * System/Database Administrators
   * Systems Administrator — CUBA
   * Systems Administrator — TS/SCI — Deploy OCONUS
   * UNIX & Pathfinder Systems Administrator — MacDill, FL
   * Unix Systems Administrators
   * UNIX Systems Engineer — Tampa, FL
   * Virtualization Systems Administrators
   * Virtualization/ VM Ware Sys Administrators
   * VOIP Engineer — Ft. Gordon, GA
   * VTC Technician, Afghanistan
   * Web Developers — CUBA
   * Windows Server/Systems Administrator, Kuwait

Positions requiring TS/SCI and Full Scope Polygraphs:

   * AMX Programmers
   * CD&D Specialists
   * Close Support Specialists
   * Firewall Engineers
   * Help Desk Specialists
   * Install Technicians
   * LAN/WAN Technicians
   * Network Engineers
   * Senior Systems Voice Engineers
   * Software Developers
   * Sr IA Systems Engineers
   * Sr SATCOM System Engineers
   * Sr Systems Engineers
   * Systems Administrators
   * Systems Integrators
   * Telecommunications Specialists
   * Telephony Network Administrators
   * Video Technicians

Most of the positions are based in Washington D.C., Northern Virginia, Georgia, Florida, and Cuba with some positions in Maryland. Many positions do offer relocation assistance.

For consideration to attend the event, complete the registration form and upload your resume by clicking: Invitational Interview Events before Friday, January 2, 2009. Be sure to select "Invitational Interview Event" as the Referral Source Information on the registration page.

There's no better place to strengthen your future than General Dynamics Information Technology. Take the first step of advancing your career by registering to attend the upcoming Invitational Interview Event to support the Intelligence Community.

To see a complete listing of all our current opportunities, visit http://www.gdit.com/...

General Dynamics Information Technology is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer. We welcome and encourage diversity in

Originally posted to one pissed off democrat on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 05:25 AM PST.

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  •  It can take a year (5+ / 0-)

    to get TS/SCI clearance.

    I believe TS/SCI means top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information.

    If you've got one already, your employer doesn't have to pay a year of salary plus benefits while you twiddle your thumbs.

    Once you're in, you're golden.

    Just having a TS clearance doesn't get you far.

  •  I stayed away from Engineering in College (4+ / 0-)

    because most of the employers are part of the military-industrial complex.  That's why I earned a degree in healthcare related field.  

    Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

    by Kayakbiker on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 06:12:59 AM PST

  •  Tips (8+ / 0-)

    My point was let's get the unemployed employed, who cares if it takes a year,  Mine only took a couple of months by the way

    •  It would be like (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      one pissed off democrat

      opening the Military-Industrial Complex country club greens to anyone with a set of golf clubs.

      They want "active" clearances.

    •  Your point is blunt. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Jagger, one pissed off democrat

      The notion that you could get anyone qualified for any of those jobs with "about 6 - 10 weeks to get the basics in" is ludicrous:  most of them are identified as "senior",  which,  even by IT standards,  means at least 4-5 years of experience.

      And,  for defense contractors,  it has to be their kind of experience:  I've got over 30 years in IT and high-tech product development,  and GD wouldn't even schedule an interview when I talked with them at a local job fair because I've never worked on defense projects.

  •  Thanks for this diary. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    one pissed off democrat

    There's lots of opportunity in defense and most positions have very competitive salaries, and the background checks aren't as onerous as is made out.  Now's a good time to say goodbye to private industry and go work for the government – especially now that it’s clear the new administration will continue to keep defense front and center.

    Who needs the pressure of busting your ass for 20-something tools that are running their half-assed tech company into the ground.  Government work is so much better, plus, the best part is defense jobs can't be farmed out to India!

  •  Nice thought, but... (7+ / 0-)
    1. One gigantic qualification was left out. Employees have to be young. Nobody will hire older (men over 50, women over 40) workers, no matter how good and how smart they are. Trust me on this. I'd bet my farm that your company is no better about this than any others are. I meet ALL of those qualifications (BSCS [computer science] with summa or magna cum laude; BS in math; membership in 4 math- or CS- related honorary societies; no record at all, not even a DUI; never been arrested; I speak Cuban Spanish [lived in Miami for 9 years], etc.), and I could even pee into a cup for you. But it would be OLD pee, and your company wouldn't want me.
    1. Those jobs don't happen to be anywhere near where many unemployed people live. Why tear up your home and your family to maybe get a job someplace where it will cost you three times as much to live as where you are? If your company wanted to make a difference rather that just making money, they could open a branch in Michigan. Or Kentucky. Or anyplace where people are hurting and unemployed. We have plenty of empty facilities in KY, as do many locations in Michigan, etc. I won't hold my breath, though.
    1. You mentioned the root of the problem, too, but you don't know it.

    lie detector test

    Full Scope Polygraphs

    You see, polygraph tests are essentially worthless. This has been known since the 1950s. It's not news, and you don't need a Ph.D. in a biology-related area to know that. Reading tea leaves, Viking runes, or Tarot cards is every bit as accurate as a polygraph. Your company may know tech, but it sure doesn't know enough basic biology or psychology to pass muster with anyone who does know basic biology and psychology.

    Nice thoughts, though. Maybe your company will find their perfect Americans right where they already have offices. Or not.

    If you wish to argue with me, feel free. My e-mail is in my dKos Profile. But your company still won't want any smart old farts who know basic life sciences, no matter how good they are.

    Sneckerdoodles = cookies that have been on MF too long.

    by SciMathGuy on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 06:35:39 AM PST

    •  this is the point (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SciMathGuy

      Dang stop putting down the why not, and lets look at the how we can!

      GD has installations in every state, there is no need to all work in Arlington!

    •  THAT is the point (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      SciMathGuy

      I know they are NOT doing ti now, let's make them!

      •  Fine. If your company has work... (0+ / 0-)

        ... in rural KY (eastern part), and they are interested in having an old science-math-computer person working for them, they can contact me via my e-mail address in my Profile. But my bet is that even with some progressives around in the company, they won't want me - or any other rural Kentuckian.

        As an adult educator in a GED center in rural KY, I have connections with many unemployed adults who would love a decent job at decent wages. We have plenty of empty big-box stores available. Again, if your company wants us, we're here. They may contact me in my official capacity as an adult educator (use the same e-mail address, and I'll forward it to my work e-mail address), they may feel free to do so.

        Sneckerdoodles = cookies that have been on MF too long.

        by SciMathGuy on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 01:49:09 PM PST

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  •  They brought prosperity (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jagger, one pissed off democrat

    down at the armory
    we're arming for peace me boys
    between the wars...

    This sig line is in foreclosure. For details on acquiring a credit default swap on this sig line, contact H. Paulson, Dept of the Treasury, c/o Goldman, Sachs

    by ActivistGuy on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 07:23:08 AM PST

  •  Work for the State like a good commie . (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    one pissed off democrat
  •  I work for one of the large US Techs (4+ / 0-)

    Trust me. US Techs do not want US workers. They want offshore 'warm bodies' or H1Bs that will work for 25% of US salaries with no benefits. Our gifted leaders have no interest in helping Americans get jobs. They are interested in accelerating the offshoring for their corporate masters. And my DUI in 1970 disqualifies me for a Gubmint job so screw it.

    Damn right I'm a conspiracy theorist! If you are not, then you just haven't been paying f#@king attention.

    by CitizenOfEarth on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 07:38:38 AM PST

  •  mnemnonic (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    one pissed off democrat

    I have no DUI to sell or buy
    I will not take a visa, so don't fly,
    In this super-seed event
    Intello intelligent
    Isn't the requirement
    For the point of it is screwing you and I.

    QQ: How many high tech ninnies does it take to screw in a light bulb:

    AA: At least ten each of the following: * CITRIX Systems Administrators
      * Digital Forensic Analyst
      * Electrical Power Engineer — Ft. Gordon, GA
      * Electrician, Iraq
      * ENOC Service Desk Technicians
      * Fiber Technicians
      * Info Security Analysts
      * IT Desktop Installers
      * IT Security Incident Handlers
      * Systems Administrator — Ft. Bragg, NC
      * JWICS A/V Engineers
      * JWICS NOC Systems Controllers
      * JWICS NOC Systems Controllers
      * Manager, Information Systems
      * Network Engineer — TS/SCI — Deploy OCONUS
      * Network Technician — Ft. Gordon, GA
      * Nortel PBX Technician — Ft. Gordon, GA
      * Oracle DBA — Patrick AFB, FL
      * Principal Engineer, Systems
      * Principal Information Assurance Analyst
      * SAN/NAS Systems Administrator — MacDill, FL
      * Senior Network Engineers
      * Senior Systems Engineers
      * Senior Systems Engineers
      * Service Desk Technicians
      * Sr Developer, Web — CUBA
      * Sr Network Engineer — TS/SCI — Deploy OCONUS
      * Security Officer — CUBA
      * Technical Editor
      * Sr. Communications Engineer — Ft. Gordon, GA
      * Sr. Information Security Analyst
      * Sr. Network Engineer
      * Sr. SharePoint Developers, Iraq
      * Sr. UNIX Administrator — Ft. Gordon, GA
      * Sr. Web Designer/Programmers
      * System/Database Administrators
      * Systems Administrator — CUBA
      * Systems Administrator — TS/SCI — Deploy OCONUS
      * UNIX & Pathfinder Systems Administrator — MacDill, FL
      * Unix Systems Administrators
      * UNIX Systems Engineer — Tampa, FL
      * Virtualization Systems Administrators
      * Virtualization/ VM Ware Sys Administrators
      * VOIP Engineer — Ft. Gordon, GA
      * VTC Technician, Afghanistan
      * Web Developers — CUBA
      * Windows Server/Systems Administrator, Kuwait

    Positions requiring TS/SCI and Full Scope Polygraphs:

      * AMX Programmers
      * CD&D Specialists
      * Close Support Specialists
      * Firewall Engineers
      * Help Desk Specialists
      * Install Technicians
      * LAN/WAN Technicians
      * Network Engineers
      * Senior Systems Voice Engineers
      * Software Developers
      * Sr IA Systems Engineers
      * Sr SATCOM System Engineers
      * Sr Systems Engineers
      * Systems Administrators
      * Systems Integrators
      * Telecommunications Specialists
      * Telephony Network Administrators
      * Video Technicians

    Let's face it: inevitably, one day each of us will meet a spook, but let's take extra care from now on. Not at home, not at our own dinner table, and not that often, or on purpose.

    Agreed?

    •  Footnote on fiber (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      one pissed off democrat

      Fiber is hyperfast, superefficient, and what slows it down is the tapper modules which by decree are obligatory and installed at every bifurcation.

      It could be free, but for the effort and expense involved in intercept.

    •  My long departed Mama (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Jagger

      My long departed Mama was certain that her fervent pro-Union status had earned her official curiosity and repeatedly warned me about speaking freely on our recently-acquired telephone. I was a sassy teenager, [way] back then, and my trump card was played thus:

      Mama, do you really think there are enough people employed as spies so that one of them actually is paid (salary+benefits+retirement) to wait for our phone to ring and then write up transcripts of our [inane] telephone calls to rather boring relatives and the occasional quite interesting boyfriend of mine? Mama, if the situation were as you profess to believe, we would have at this moment among our acquaintance not one but three [shows amateur stats table, produced with the assistance of newly-acquired trigonometry tables] such people.

      Name them now, or forever shut the [I distinctly remember searching fruitlessly for just the right word, here] up.

      She went mad, in the end, of course. Poor little old lady, terrified of the Nazis, fascists, phalangists, etc. Part Jewish, poor lady. Always all at sea.

  •  I voted "yes" because I've done this (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    one pissed off democrat

    I was once one of those unemployed. Oh sure, I never stood in a bread line or really was in danger of not having work, although I always felt that as a career office temp specializing by accident in word processing and its automation, I could do something better if I could just get into it.

    So after a year's stint in a contract position with King County that was eventually defunded, I qualified for a program at the local community college where I learned computer networking, a skill I had never really known much about before beyond what little I learned by the seat of my pants (e.g. the department's IT supervisor calling and telling me "do this" or "run this command"). After two semesters of learning Netware (which I've never used since), the then-fairly-new domain-based Windows NT network model, TCP/IP and Ethernet and how to troubleshoot a computer hardware problem, I landed a job as a Microsoft contractor and was on the road to the job I have today.

    Quite a number of the jobs listed above would be easily filled by someone who had the same level of training I did. I know this because several of my classmates got jobs like desktop installer and help desk technician.

    In my mind the real question is the security clearances, and the whether someone would want to work for a defense contractor in the first place. I would probably look elsewhere before I took a job like that for several reasons. But I imagine there are quite a few people out there who would jump at a chance for a job like this with a good salary, benefits, and an opportunity for growth.

    We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

    Now the real work begins.

    by Omir the Storyteller on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 08:53:26 AM PST

    •  YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!! Another someone like me (0+ / 0-)

      See after years of being a social worker I too went and studies only a short period of time, got hired and worked my way through.

      so many jaded nay sayers in here.

      •  I should add that I did have an advantage (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Jagger, one pissed off democrat

        of almost 20 years in microcomputers to start with, beginning with the TRS-80 and moving my way up. None of it involved networking, though, other than Sneakernet (loading something up on a floppy and hauling it over to Production).

        Not everyone did, of course. There were former fishermen and drywall installers in my class. But I like to think that having a bit of programming experience on standalone computers gave me a leg up.

        We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.

        Now the real work begins.

        by Omir the Storyteller on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 09:02:10 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

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