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McCain Is So Different

Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:45:42 AM PDT

John McCain had the eager press lined up on this one for weeks.  He was going to take a stand and differentiate himself from Bush by offering his solution to climate change.  And today was the momentous day.  McCain made his speech and no less than the New York Times dutifully trotted out an article titled McCain Differs With Bush on Climate Change.

Senator John McCain sought to distance himself from President Bush on Monday as he called for a mandatory limit on greenhouse gas emissions in the United States. ... In what his campaign promoted as a major speech on climate change, the Arizona senator renewed his support for a "cap-and-trade" system in which power plants and other polluters could meet limits on greenhouse gases by either reducing emissions on their own or buying credits from more efficient producers.

The plan that McCain offers turns out to be an extremely weak one, one that's even less effective than the completely inadequate Lieberman-Warner Bill.

Mr. McCain is the only Republican presidential candidate this year to call for mandatory limits on greenhouse gas emissions, but his target for reducing those emissions over time is lower than that of his Democratic competitors, Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, and even lower than that in a bill proposed by Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, and Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia.

So what is in McCain's proposal that differentiates him from Bush?  Not much.  In fact, the same article notes that McCain's positions puts him "slightly right of center" on the climate change issue, which apparently means that McCain is willing to admit that climate change is a problem, but not willing to make any substantive suggestion on how to address the issue.  

What the Times article doesn't mention is that back in 2000, candidate Bush also said the climate change was an issue and pledged to regulate CO2.  It wasn't until after his election that that cuddly, caring, compassionate conservative Bush's positions gave way to the standard GOP line.  

Under strong pressure from conservative Republicans and industry groups, President Bush reversed a campaign pledge today and said his administration would not seek to regulate power plants' emissions of carbon dioxide, a gas that many scientists say is a key contributor to global warming. ... As recently as 10 days ago, Christie Whitman, the new administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, had described Mr. Bush's campaign promise as if it were already policy.

So what's the difference between Bush and McCain?  One is a Republican who is already in office, the other is a Republican running for office.  Far from making him different from Bush, McCain's empty promises make him exactly the same as the man whose administration he's running to extend.  

What evidence is there that McCain would break Bush's flip-flop record if he gets the chance to sit in the Oval Office?  How about this: McCain is being advised on these issues by Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute, who just this morning put out an op-ed explaining how we can't let the environment get in the way of cheap energy.  And of course the proposals McCain put forward today don't align very well with his other big push for a gas tax holiday.

But since he started running for president last year, McCain has largely downplayed climate change. He hasn’t declared support for a tougher and more detailed bill, proposed by Senators John Warner and McCain ally Joe Lieberman. And his top domestic policy recently suggested that McCain might not even stand by his own weaker bill, telling a reporter: "He wasn’t so much committed to the bill as to an issue."

So, McCain proposes a weak, pointless bill.  One of his advisers suggests he won't even stand by that proposal, while another argues that cheap energy trumps environmental concerns.  Boy, that sure is different.

As has already been demonstrated time and again, "maverick" McCain's difference from the hard right extends as far as his words, and stops well short of his deeds.  Coming from McCain, any promise on climate change is nothing but hot air.  

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  •  He's still a Republican (7+ / 0-)

    and push come to shove, will take the company line.

    Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

    by gracchus on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:47:20 AM PDT

  •  "Change Depends On John McCain" (15+ / 0-)

    I don't know if that is a campaign slogan or instructions on a nurse's roster.

    McCain '08 - Hope Less!

    by kitebro on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:49:43 AM PDT

    •  I don't see why it can't be both. nt (3+ / 0-)

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    •  Hahahahahahaha (3+ / 0-)

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      Thank you for that...
      How old is 72?
      March 7, 2005
      Exactly 72 Years Ago...
      By Michael Barone

      A friend notes that March 4, 2005, the day on which this is written, is exactly 72 years to the day later than the day on which Franklin Roosevelt took office as president and assured Americans that "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

      Exactly 72 years before that, Abraham Lincoln took the oath of office and appealed to "the mystic chords of memory." Seventy-two years before that, George Washington took the oath of office as the new nation's first president.

      Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807

      by Patriot4peace on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:08:29 AM PDT

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  •  McCain is old (6+ / 0-)

    crazy, wrong and a liar.

    How much evidence do people need to see he's a 3rd Bush term disaster waiting to happen?

    "...and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." --Barack Obama, January 20, 2009

    by jiordan on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:50:28 AM PDT

    •  Yes, but, it doesn't matter how old (1+ / 0-)

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      Senator John is, if the great majority of the American people don't have a clue what's bad about CO2.  The Boston Globe ran a story the other day about people who died in a house because a car engine was left running and the carbon monoxide got to them.  However, two days running, the headline reported that they were killed by carbon dioxide.  
      Now, since we know that oxygen is what humans need to breathe, it's clearly the admixture of carbon--i.e. coal--that causes the problem.
      So, perhaps it would make more sense to talk about how our oxygen is being depleted by mixing too much carbon into it.  

      Global warming strikes me as infellicitous verbiage which presents a problem that's too large to comprehend.

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:05:44 AM PDT

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  •  I'm so glad to see (3+ / 0-)

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    so many anti-McCain diaries.  Although I have to admit to enjoy piling on Hillary.

    So will the TM start to focus on his foibles now?

    Grandpa Simpson is a cartoon character...John McCain is an actual person...

    by wry twinger on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:51:43 AM PDT

    •  No. (3+ / 0-)

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      They want a horse race. He gets a pass for the next few months.

      McCain '08 - Hope Less!

      by kitebro on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:55:55 AM PDT

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    •  Except Hillary ... (7+ / 0-)

      ... has spent much of her lifetime fighting for many of the policies that brought us into politics in the first place (i.e., universal health care, civil rights for all, decent wages and standard of living for all) while John McCain has spent his entire career opposing these policies at the top of his lungs.

      •  Thank you for this comment ... (2+ / 0-)

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        it is frustrating just how many people seem to have lost sight of the extent of core overlap between Hillary & Obama, between Hillary & their own goals / objectives / desires / visions for the future.

        Now, the gas tax holiday was a straw that broke the camel's back for me ... having stayed out of the Presidential campaign in public statements until then.  Even so, Hillary does have a long (life long in many cases) record of fighting for causes and on issues that most who are part of this community would agree with.  Hopefully, that will again be recognized.

        •  in fact it was Hillary who proposed 100% auctions (1+ / 0-)

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          not Obama - Hillary's amendment to eliminate pollution allowance giveaways that would reduce the worst of the cap and Trade Bill.

          The Democratic congress has been trying to pass a Production Tax Credit to reimburse homeowners 30% for Solar panel costs and stabilise the Wind industry:

          Democrats want a 10 year PTC extension:
          (per their sites energy plans)
          Obama only suggests a 5 year PTC extension
          Hillary makes the Production Tax Credit permanent.

          Permanent makes the most sense: it stops the 5 year halts the Wind industry goes through, eliminating the risk, and the dollar value gradually decreases with inflation.

          In domestic policy matters Obama is well to the right of her.

          •  RE PTC ... (2+ / 0-)

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            Personally, I believe that we should be looking to see whether there are better paths than a PTC.  

            The PTC emerged, in no small part, because the earlier paths toward helping wind enabled people to make money even if the turbines broke down and didn't generate electricity. Thus, with the PTC, a requirement to actually generate power to gain financial benefit.

            The PTC is a uber-rich game, however, that makes it difficult for small-timers, small investors to pool together to invest in wind.

            The PTC creates future obligations and an ever-rising bill, as wind power electricity increases at ever faster rates.

            I wonder whether it is time to step back and see whether there are better paths for doing this type of work.

            What about government backing or tax free status for bonds to build low-carbon (wind, solar, other) energy systems?  Would this be more effective government policy?

            Also, re unlimited: what if wind is outright lowest price system, even without PTC, in X years?  

            RE Obama / Clinton, until the gas tax holiday (and certainly in 2007 into 2008), I rated Clinton ahead of Obama on energy / Global Warming issues. The pandering re the gas tax holiday and its implications for the ability to advance good policy in the years ahead hit me hard.

            •  pander v ability to advance good policy (2+ / 0-)

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              I agree, the pander was ridiculous, she knows better, as her policy shows. A last ditch attempt to rope in the gullible vote.

              She knows you should not try that, just like she knows that there is no Unity Pony with Republicans either, but sees 16 million voters who don't see that...so I think she was just trying to siphon off some of his gullible base. It was there for the taking.

              Glad it didn't work though. Only virtue should be rewarded.

              •  The failure of that pander in (2+ / 0-)

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                Indiana shows that "low-information" voters paid attention to the nuances that Barack explained. This is pleasantly stunning. Hillary "misunderestimated"(GWB) them and got backlashed for her efforts.

                This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected.

                by Batbird on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:39:06 AM PDT

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            •  I like the PTC but to encourage individuals (2+ / 0-)

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              as well, pass a Feed In Tariff, like the one Jay Inslee proposed in the House in March (sorry no link: heard it on a recent REA podcast).

              A FIT that is designed so that you earn a little more than your monthly payments on the solar panels, large or small, by selling your electrons to the grid. Like Germany did: now they have more solar roofs than anywhere in Europe.

              If people can make a little extra by selling their electricity at retail to the utility they will put up solar panels.

              And if the electricity is a little more expensive (to fund that retail price the utilites must pay for anybodys electrons) then there is both the carrot of the extra income to be made, and the stick of the extra cost if you don't join in.

              PBS interviewed a pigfarmer in Germany who was making $60,000 yr in profit on panels he put up in his fields.

              Hillary's plan includes that idea

              Establish national "net metering" standards to ensure that families and businesses who install solar panels or other renewable energy resources can sell power back to the grid on fair terms.

              to be decided - what is fair terms, because it has to be more than the monthly payments on the solar panels - like in Germany - to work.

              Obama's plan mentions it somewhat obliquely as part of his (similar to her) Smart Grid plans:

              a smart grid will also help insulate against terrorism concerns because
              our grid today is virtually unprotected from terrorists. Installing a smart grid will help consumers produce electricity at home through solar panels or wind turbines, and be able to sell electricity back through the grid for other consumers, and help consumers reduce

              Now my understanding is that installing a Smart Grid does not do anything in itself to

              ...help consumers produce electricity at home through solar panels or wind turbines

              but merely helps us save energy we use. How does it help us install a solar roof? This kind of bewildering vagueness of his always confuses me.

              What's your take on that?

              •  A smart grid enables power management ... (1+ / 0-)

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                for example, using PHEVs/EVs as storage systems.  They also enable higher quality real-time cost to be able to balance out home production.  

                As you're aware, I've written very favorably about Hillary's plan. There is much in there that I would hope Obama will adopt.

                And, if the situations were reversed, there are elements of Obama's plan that I would hope that Clinton would adopt.

                Each has some unique strengths/values.

                For 'wonks', Hillary's plan has a higher quality of detail.

                •  I like the PHEV storage, yeah, but (0+ / 0-)

                  my question is , what is it about a Smart Grid legislation that enables you to

                  a. produce electricity at home
                  b. sell to the grid?

                  Thats my question.
                  We already can make solar power, but the legislation needed is a demand that utilities must buy it at a better price than it costs you to make it.

                  In Ca for instance theres no incventive to make more than you need because you can not roll over the credit each year, you only get a credit on your bill, so you pay most people just aim to get the PG&E bill down to ideally ~$1 a month, but no less.

      •  Right, (1+ / 0-)

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        it's time to stop bashing Senator Clinton. It's time to focus on November.

        Is that a real poncho, or is that a Sears' poncho? - Frank Zappa

        by JoesGarage on Tue May 13, 2008 at 09:16:44 AM PDT

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    •  Obama (0+ / 0-)

      is trying to give Hillary a glide path to exit the race by being cordial and nice. It may feel good to pile on, but I am limiting my scrutiny to her pointless campaign and any more of her gaffes like "hard working whites". I guess what I'm trying to say is that "piling on" seems cruel. Just my humble opinion.

      This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected.

      by Batbird on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:28:58 AM PDT

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  •  The difference between McCain and Bush term #3 (4+ / 0-)

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    The road to hell would be a little slower, and feature a "senior moment" or ten.

  •  Yet again...it needs to be said. (7+ / 0-)

    Without bloggers and activists everywhere pushing HARD on the tratitional media, John McCain will easily be able to paint himself as whatever he wants.  And that means, the President.

    Don't buy it?

    MSNBC's First Read seems to agree he's doing a fine job of it so far.

    The fight needs to start now, BEFORE the Dem primary is over.  There is no need to be stuck playing catch up during the entire GE.

    "Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do." ~Voltaire

    by The BBQ Chicken Madness on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:52:42 AM PDT

  •  More of the same ... (4+ / 0-)

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    With John McCain.

    More of the same with John McCain.

    Repeat ad nauseum or infinitum, whichever you can stand. This message must be the mantra of the election year.

  •  I wonder how long it will take (2+ / 0-)

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    for him to change his mind on this issue?

    * waits for the right to criticize*

    •  We should be grateful for small favors (2+ / 0-)

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      At least the article began:

      Senator John McCain sought to distance himself from President Bush

      That's as close to calling the proposal "a posturing lie" as a major newspaper is going to get.

      "Some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok." - Barack Obama

      by Joe Beese on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:29:36 AM PDT

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    •  These accusations of flip-flopping are nothing.. (1+ / 0-)

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      velvet blasphemy

      ..but blatant age discrimination!
      How dare you!
      The man is not flip-flopping. He simply forgets what his position is on so many issues.

      Do you know where I left my hat? I think my brain was in it...

  •  Ah, the Bush third term (5+ / 0-)

    At the end of the day, I believe the Obama campaign should emphasize only four issues:

    1.  The Iraq War
    1.  Jobs and wages
    1.  The uninsured
    1.  Civil and human rights (i.e., the Supreme Court).

    Those are the issues of our time, and they should be the ones discussed at length.

    •  What about the important issue (1+ / 0-)

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      McCain Blasts "Activist Judges", Praises Roberts, Alito, Rehnquist

      2008_05_06_mccain_judges Republican presidential heir apparent Sen. John McCain offers an olive branch to the Christian right. Speaking at Wake Forest University in North Carolina, the Arizona Republican blasted Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama for not voting for the confirmation of John Roberts to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

      Arrrrgh!!

      Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807

      by Patriot4peace on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:27:02 AM PDT

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      •  I was disappointed in Obama's answer ... (2+ / 0-)

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        ... in his interview w/ Wolf Blitzer.

        BLITZER: You used to teach constitutional law. You know a lot about the Supreme Court, and the next president of the United States will have an opportunity to nominate justices for the Supreme Court. He gave a speech, McCain, this week saying he wants justices like Samuel Alito and John Roberts, and he defined the kind of criteria he wants. So what would be your criteria?

        OBAMA: Well, I think that my first criteria is to make sure that these are people who are capable and competent, and that they are interpreting the law. And 95 percent of the time, you know, the law is so clear that it's just a matter of applying the law. I'm not somebody who believes in a bunch of judicial law-making.

        BLITZER: Are there members or justices right now upon whom you would model, you would look at? Who do you like?

        OBAMA: I think actually Justice Breyer, Justice Ginsburg are very sensible judges. I think that Justice Souter, who is a Republican appointee, is a sensible judge.

        What you're looking for is somebody who's going to apply the law where it's clear.

        Now there's going to be those 5 percent of cases or 1 percent of cases where the law isn't clear. And the judge then has to bring in his or her own perspectives, his ethics, his or her moral bearings. And in those circumstances, what I do want is a judge who is sympathetic enough to those who are on the outside, those who are vulnerable, those who are powerless, those who can't have access to political power and as a consequence can't protect themselves from being -- from being dealt with sometimes unfairly. That the courts become a refuge for justice. That's been its historic role. That was its role in Brown versus Board of Education.

        I think a judge who is unsympathetic to the fact that in some cases, you know, we've got to make sure that civil rights are protected, that we have got to make sure that civil liberties are protected, because oftentimes there are pressures that are placed on politicians to want to set civil liberties aside, especially at a time when we have had terrorist attacks. Making sure that we maintain our separation of powers, so that we don't have a president who is taking over more and more power.

        I think those are all criteria by which I'd judge whether or not this is a good appointee.

        I would have liked him to have praised Thurgood Marshall or William Brennan, Jr., as Chris Dodd did in one of the earlier Presidential debates.  In 2000, Bill Bradley said that Justices Marshall and Brennan would be his model Supreme Court Justices, and Al Gore quickly agreed.

        •  I didn't see (0+ / 0-)

          much wrong with Barack's comments. The courts, as well as Congress and the President, have the obligation to protect the poor and minorities. A judge who has a good history of ruling in favor of "the little guy" is okay in my opinion.

          This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected.

          by Batbird on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:45:57 AM PDT

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      •  Roberts' (0+ / 0-)

        appointment was cronyism overkill. What a gift! Anyway, McCain blasting Barack for not voting for Roberts' appointment is like blasting him for not being more Republican. Who cares.

        This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected.

        by Batbird on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:52:21 AM PDT

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    •  Amen! (0+ / 0-)

      Don't loose sight of the big picture!

      This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected.

      by Batbird on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:40:40 AM PDT

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  •  One last repeat... (4+ / 0-)

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    This image encompasses McCain, Bush and the Bush Republicans pretty solidly -- the "Mission Accomplished" banner reflects their penchance (sp?) for misrepresentation, the cake -- which they left uneaten to melt in the AZ sun after the photo-op -- represents their arrogant wastefulness, and the actual superimposing of their meeting and posing with cake while Katrina victims suffered and died represents their sense of "duty" and misaligned "responsibility"...

    Image composition by GreyHawk and barracuda.

    (GreyHawk added Chimpy and McSame, barracuda added the "Mission Accomplished" banner.)

    See Not Brit's diary for originals.

    Please disseminate widely and publicly.

    Never, never brave me, nor my fury tempt:
      Downy wings, but wroth they beat;
    Tempest even in reason's seat.

    by GreyHawk on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:55:42 AM PDT

  •  Talk is cheap... (2+ / 0-)

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    ...and carries lies well...

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight.

    by JeffW on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:38 AM PDT

  •  Maybe McCaint could ditch 1 of his 9 houses (2+ / 0-)

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    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:49 AM PDT

  •  Different? (4+ / 0-)

    Hardly.

    Photobucket

    NFTT Progressively supporting the troops

    by Timroff on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:56:56 AM PDT

  •  Great diary -- (3+ / 0-)

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    we should remind people of Bush's flip-flop and the Republican Party's consistent refusal to do anything on climate change or any other environmental concern. We should point out that cap and trade might, if designed well, be a part of the solution -- and then note that McCain's design is flawed and that it would need to be supplemented in several ways to be effective and there is no reason to think that he would not backtrack as Bush did, deferring to the lobbyists and oil companies that back them both so fervently.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:57:26 AM PDT

  •  So, McCain proposes a weak, pointless bill. (1+ / 0-)

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    So, McCain proposes a weak, pointless bill.

    That sums up McCain fairly well.

    "War is a cowardly escape from the problems of peace." - Thomas Mann

    by Tom Paul on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:57:45 AM PDT

  •  Vote for me! (2+ / 0-)

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    I'm not batshit, insane crazy on EVERYTHING -- I'm sanely indifferent on a few things!

    I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

    by zonk on Tue May 13, 2008 at 06:59:19 AM PDT

  •  Support Bob Barr! (0+ / 0-)

    I am sending links to articles about Bob Barr to the few remaining Republicans I know who have not switched over to being Obama supporters (I live in SF and the Repubs here were mostly economic, not ideological).  The wingnuts I know really liked Bob Barr in the articles, and I think they may have been swayed from McCain.

    California will go Dem, so it's not so important here, but getting out Barr's message in the swing states would be a very good idea.

  •  Excellent discussion (2+ / 0-)

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    Here are some of the blogosphere reactions by experts to McFlip, McFlop, McSame McCain's speech:

    Energy Smart

    Wonkroom 1

    Wonkroom 2

    Climate Progress

    Watthead

    Campaign for America's Future

    Grist

    •  Anti-wind McCain speaks at foreign wind company (0+ / 0-)

      Also from Grist:. McCain's speech touting wind energy was at a foreign owned company.

      Why is that? Because McCain and other conservatives have blocked tax incentives for renewable energy like wind, while supporting tax benefits and subsidies for the oil and nuclear industries.

      Is he full of hot air?

      In December, McCain himself failed to show up for a key vote that would have extended the wind power production tax credit. . .

      McCain's vote could have broken the conservative filibuster blocking the effort to support renewables, since the clean energy tax package failed 59-40, but his spokesperson said that "he would not have supported breaking the filibuster." This was but one recent example of a series of missed votes or anti-renewable votes McCain has cast in recent years

      Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

      by willyr on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:16:29 AM PDT

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  •  Take that back!! (0+ / 0-)

    Or someone might start thinking that you don't realize what maverick the senator is.  

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" - James Madison

    by Hotspur18 on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:11:53 AM PDT

  •  Even if you take this at face value... (0+ / 0-)

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    How many people are voting in November as "recognizing climate change" as their number one issue? What about any in the top five issues important to the American People? Even if McCain takes some crazy steps to distance himself on this one issue that is by far within the majority of public opinion, we still have the economy, Iraq, health care, VA benefits, Katrina, Supreme Court Justices, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!

    Plus, anyone that is placing this one issue as their number one, how many of them really trust McCain to handle this?

    This is nothing more than his campaign trying to place some (any) distance between him and Bush--like pages in a book, there is no space.

    We just need to reiterate this over and over again!

    They can have their cake and eat it too!

    With sacrifice comes rewards. Have YOU thanked a veteran today?

    by Matt from Iraq on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:14:13 AM PDT

    •  But Global Warming policy (1+ / 0-)

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      interacts quite heavily with visions of economic future (is it economy vs the environment, or economy AND the environment?), energy policy, national security, etc ... While "global warming" might not top the list (even if it should), the measures to deal with it fall squarely into top 5 arena areas.

    •  He's already all over the top issue (3+ / 0-)

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      it's "Activist Judges".

      The marbles are lost, the bearings are 180 degrees from reality, and he wants to be the first president that soils the Oval Office chair because of incontinence, not incompetence like his predecessor.

      Hey.... not bad....

      George Bush = Incompetent
      John McCain = Incontinent
      Republican = Can't even shit right.

      Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. Thomas Jefferson 6/11/1807

      by Patriot4peace on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:21:48 AM PDT

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    •  actually, our beloved media (0+ / 0-)

      simply does not want us to know whether or not we care about cataclysmic climate change, by simply not exitpolling that question.

      So McCain does fool a lot of people that he cares about it, and in California where we just did elect a governator that does go along with an excellent Democratic legislature on most measures to combat it, there is a real danger that California Independants might think McCain is also ok on the issue.

      McCain is quite different. He votes like a Republican on energy: subsidies for nukepower (just till they get on their feet, right?), no subsidies needed for Solar or Wind or Biomass or Geothermal or Ocean energy.

  •  So since when did this guy (3+ / 0-)

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    A Siegel, Pete Rock, JeffW

    (Kevin Hasset, khassett@aei.org) become an expert on polar bears? Goggle him; he's got a long list of work about taxes, he wrote a book about how great the stock market is, and he's advised both the current bumbler in the WH and the aging bumbler who thinks he wants the job.

    But I don't see biologist anywhere on his resume.

    But I do see taker. He's a taker. Take the arctic, take the ice. Take the habitats and the air and the water, use it for profit. You don't need to leave anything behind for others, be they beast, bird, fish, or microbe. Or your own grandchildren.

    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell

    by zic on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:14:53 AM PDT

  •  relevant quote (6+ / 0-)

    http://www.sierraclub.org/...

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    February 21 , 2008 CONTACT:
    David Willett 202.491.6919
    Josh Dorner 202.675.2384  

    McCain Scores a ZERO on the Environment

    Arizona Senator Skipped Every Crucial Vote in 2007

    Washington, D.C.--In the 2007 National Environmental Scorecard released today by the League of Conservation Voters, John McCain receives a score of ZERO. McCain was the only member of Congress to skip every single crucial environmental vote scored by the organization, posting a score lower than Members of Congress who were out for much of the year due to serious illnesses--and even lower than some who died during the term. By contrast, the average Member of Congress scored a 53 in 2007. McCain posts a lifetime score of only 24.

    Statement of Carl Pope, Sierra Club Executive Director

    "We were appalled two weeks ago when John McCain was the only Senator who chose to skip a crucial vote on the future of clean energy in America-dooming the measure to fail by just a single vote. As it turns out, this was merely the most recent example of a clear pattern of missing the most important votes on energy and the environment--as his abysmal LCV score clearly demonstrates.

    "McCain missed votes to save his constituents $499 million dollars at the pump and at least $550 million on their energy bills, while creating more than 10,000 new clean energy jobs in his home state.

    "Out of 535 Members of Congress, John McCain is the only one who chose to miss every single key environmental vote scored by the League of Conservation Voters last year. When it came time to stand up and vote for the environment, John McCain was nowhere to be found.

    continued at link

    The biggest threat to America is not communism, it's moving America toward a fascist theocracy... -- Frank Zappa

    by NCrefugee on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:18:53 AM PDT

  •  McCain Doesn't Differ From Bush on Climate Change (1+ / 0-)

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    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:23:54 AM PDT

  •  Um, doesn't his plan involve carbon credits? (0+ / 0-)

    You know, the carbon credits that the right scorns Al Gore over?  Do you think we'll see them (the right) visit the issue of the efficacy of carbon credits vis-a-vis McCain's global warming plan?  Don't hold your breath.  Either Al Gore is right and carbon credits are a viable way of reducing greenhouse gas emissions, or it's a shell game that their presidential candidate is promoting as his plan to save the world.  Which one do you think they'll pick?  I think they'll just ignore it.

  •  The cap and trade fraud (2+ / 0-)

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    I know Democrats, even Obama, have mouthed this strategy, and it has been a policy fixture for more than ten years now, because it is touted by corporate interests. But it's a fraud.

    Why is it a fraud? Because it assumes that "more efficient" producers are out there to sell credits. The fraud comes from the nuclear industry, which tout nuclear energy as the solution to global warming. A total FARCE. The energy expended to build those plants and the pollution from that effort will outweigh any benefit. It's just an excuse to build more nuke plants, which are costly, dangerous, toxic for tens of thousands of years, and they encourage the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

    Now, if the "cap and trade" plan were to be implemented after a massive national project to build renewable energy capabilities, then it would hasten the demise of polluting plants by making them increasingly more expensive than renewable energy. But it's not the FIRST thing we should do, it's the last, and talking about it without talking about an Appollo-like project to build a new energy infrastructure is a ruse.

    Obama has adopted the "Renewable Infrastructure" policy, and he'll have plenty of progressive can-do thinkers giving him an earful about how to accomplish it.

    As opposed to MCCain, who supports an Administration that keeps the new technologies and their advocates far enough away to hardly hear them.

    Oh, yeah, and he gives lip service to "cap and trade" which has been a corporate buzz word since the 1990s. Bold new thinking there, straight-talker!

    •  Yucca Mountain (1+ / 0-)

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      Everybody bitches and moans about nuclear power and the waste issue.

      But we've got hundreds of sites now all scattered out in a number of metropolitan areas - vulnerable to earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, and miscellaneous mischief.

      And there's a site in Nevada where the only real debate is whether the waste can be entombed for 1000 years or 10000 years.

      Come on.

      The nuclear waste problem is solved.  Let's get on with it and stop whining.

      Nuclear power doesn't emit CO2.  That is a fact.  Deal with it.

      We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

      by CA Libertarian on Tue May 13, 2008 at 08:06:44 AM PDT

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      •  trading one demon for another (0+ / 0-)

        It's a costlier, riskier path to go nuclear.

        Want nuclear plants all over the world making weapons grade material?

        China has what? 300 weapons? How about if they go nuclear, as Cheney is goading them to do, and have 3,000 nuclear weapons ten years from now? That's a hopeful future?

        Renewables are the better deal any way you slice it. Better for the environment, better economically, better for our security, better for the future of food production and water purification, better for our social structures and institutions. It's just a better choice for humanity all around.

        Renewables do more than provide a renewable energy source. They usher in a whole paradigm of abundance that replaces the paradigm of scarcity which presently plagues the world with war, poverty, famine, disease and injustice.

        I wrote a diary about this last year, if you're interested.

  •  Change you can believe in... (0+ / 0-)

    (Until the election is over, at which point climate change will be dismissed as a conspiracy theory)

  •  But as weak as McCain's plan is (1+ / 0-)

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    it alienates his base, who don't accept that there is a problem. Chris Horner at National Review:

    McCain's Hot Air

    The problem is that the premise of McCain’s entire speech is that the rise in earthly temperatures is accelerating, as Al Gore and IPCC head R. K. Pachauri have both recently, if outrageously, repeated — which flies smack in the face of recorded observations.

    Yet even they criticize his plan for inadequacy.

    The highly questionable politics of the Republican nominee’s embrace of global-warming moonbattery aside, the substance of today’s speech is deeply disappointing.

    Too bad (NOT!) it's too late for McCain to be a bold maverick for his own beliefs rather than a worm trying to squirm into everybody's preferred shape.

    John McCain says women shouldn't have the right to choose.

    by Cowalker on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:33:56 AM PDT

  •  Didn't McIIIrd get a ZERO (1+ / 0-)

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    On his voting record this year from the Conservation folks??

    The fool who thinks he is a fool is for that very reason a wise man; But the fool who thinks he is a wise man is rightly called a fool.

    by chanbo on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:37:31 AM PDT

  •  If there were a dumber bunch than AEI... (3+ / 0-)

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    They would need a snazzy name like the Heritage Foundation, or maybe even: The Republican Party.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:38:09 AM PDT

  •  McSame / McDiffy on Climate Change (0+ / 0-)

    Whatever Truth Is Convenient.

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Tue May 13, 2008 at 07:47:35 AM PDT

  •  They keep on forgetting about Generation X (1+ / 0-)

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    It's a habit, I guess. Pollsters and demographers told them two decades ago they didn't have to worry about this generation, because they didn't have the numbers to impact policy decisions. It's become conventional wisdom.

    So, while they ignored us for two decades, we've been sitting right here, watching it all, assembling the collective memory of it all as it unfolded, and crying out in the wilderness.

    We've heard this same bleat about "cap and trade" before, in the 1990s. Gee, why hasn't it been done by now? Because it's BS, that's why!

    But this time, Generation X is no longer a demographic that can be ignored. With the overwhelmingly progressive Millenials on our side, with the Baby Boomer liberals on our side, our ideas and visions are finally being heard.

    A new re-alignment is taking place in the electorate: one that is going to hold for about fifteen years.

    But John McCain, Dick Cheney, and the other pro-Nixon, Reaganite members of the Silent Generation think they can still safely dismiss Generation X. They are about to understand what it's like to be the way Generation X has been all these years: powerless to shape policy.

    In a lot of ways Gen-X is akin to the Silent Generation. Like Archie Bunker, they sat on the sidelines bitching about liberal policies from the days of Roosevelt til the days of Johnson. So when they got their chance, they attacked everything in favor of corporatism. And now we can all see that their anti-liberal rants were so fucking wrong it's laughable.

    As we go into the future, Obama personifies the approach that should be taken: respect and inclusion. We can't make the same mistake the Silent Generation did. They attacked liberal policies for the fun of it. We shouldn't attack corporations just for fun. Corporations are a tool, just like a hammer. You can use a hammer to build a house, or you can bash someone's brains in. Let's build houses.

    And let's not pretend we're building houses while nothing gets done. Cap and trade, indeed.

    •  Obama's Generation Jones more ignored than X (0+ / 0-)

      The generation which has really been ignored is Generation Jones, not Generation X.  GenX has gotten a huge amount of attention since its intro in 1991. GenJones (born 1954-1965, between Xers and Boomers) is a much newer concept, and only now is starting to get major media attention, partly stemming from Obama's candidacy (Obama, born in 1961, is a classic Joneser, as numerous media outlets have recently argued.  Jonesers are primarliy the offspring of the Silent Generation, so this election is between two gens typically ignored, after 16 years of the much-balleyhooed Boomers.

      •  Oh, jones my ass! (0+ / 0-)

        I've heard this dodge before, from the guy who invented it.

        The cohort born between 1954-1960 are the younger cohort of the baby boomers. And, they are the more conservative cohort of that generation, being the cheerleaders for Reagan that left me aghast. After I watched them smoke pot and party their heads off in High School just a few years earlier, they were all voting for Reagan and "Morning In America" and serving as the gatekeepers in the corporate world.

        Baby on Board! Me first in my special car!