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I always enjoy reading your dairies.  Sometimes they are filled with joy, other times they break my heart.  But, always, you write from your very own good heart and I can tell your soul is infused in every word you commit to the page.

My favorite diary of yours is this one.

A story about your Mijo.  I liked it so much because it is a love story.  An unconditional love story that can only be told by a parent.  I also related to your Mijo diary because I have two Mijas.  

Two daughters that are more precious to me than my own life.

And they, like your Mijo, are what keep me going in this world.  This world filled with war, death, hate, racism, sexism, genocide, starvation, ecological disaster and lying scumbag politicians.

I don't know for sure what Barack Obama will bring us.  I don't know if he will lie.  I don't know if he will be a different version of the Washington we have ever known.  

But I really have to give him a chance.

My Mother died at 56 years old.  Her side of the family doesn't live long.  If genetics are any indication of how my own life will go that means I may have about 15-20 more years left. In these last decades of my own life I vow to do everything I can to make this world a little bit nicer, a little less hostile, and a little less bloody.  But I can't do it by myself.  I will need your help OPOL.  And I will need the help of millions of others who give a damn about the direction we are going.

The point I am trying to make is that we just don't know what the future holds.  And at this point we have hope.  And I am going to cling to it.  Like crazy.  I cling to it for my Mijas and your Mijo.  I cling to it for all of our future grandchildren.  

I am a realist though. I know hope doesn't pay the bills or stop the bloodshed.  But the masses can. We have the power now, with or without our President.

It won't be perfect. Mistakes will be made.  Despots will still be powerful and wars will probably never cease to exist.  But the unconditional love we feel will motivate us in ways we never knew we could be motivated.

Let's see what happens this year.  Remember that I will stand with you if we don't get what we want. I just want to give him a chance.

Best,

JaciCee
(another pissed off liberal)

UPDATED - I changed the title because I certainly don't want to break the rules or upset anyone.  Thanks for all of your great feedback.

Originally posted to JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:33 PM PST.

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    "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

    by JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:34:30 PM PST

    •  Bless your peace lovin' hopefulness .... (67+ / 0-)

      I agree with you. Pre-judging what Barack will do is not fair. But we should clearly and vociferously and repeatedly tell him what we want him to do ;)

      "We will learn an enormous amount in a very short time, quite a bit in the medium term and absolutely nothing in the long term." Grantham on 2008 Crisis

      by Bronxist on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:39:06 PM PST

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      •  I don't think that many of us who are (14+ / 0-)

        nervous because BHO is being politer to GOPers than we would be and who is 'looking forward" and is willing to consider still more tax cuts for the unworthy....we aren't prejudging him....we're just nervous.

        I was enthusiastic for 2 months. But 8 years of Bush has pretty much destroyed my ability to take things on faith.

        It's more like "trust, but verify"....remember that one?

        Gorbachev looked like a Godsend after all those years of Soviet kleptocrats.

        Bush (our first Soviet Predident, IMHO) has engendered the same feelings.

        "I do not choose to run for President in 1928" Calvin Coolidge

        by dabize on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:51:29 PM PST

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        •  I completely understand where you (16+ / 0-)

          are coming from.

          I am sitting on a fence.  One side wants to trust the process, the other side is so bruised by the last eight years that it hurts.

          "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

          by JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:53:14 PM PST

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          •  it is hard to see the good after so long (8+ / 0-)

            but just go and reread "audacity of hope" and look at the man. He never wavered during the campaign, he didn't change and he knew what he was doing no matter how much we wanted him to hit harder or thought he was being steam rolled.  He won. he crushed the clinton machine and the GOP.

            But he has not changed.  He is not bush who made promises and broke them on day 1.  He has become president b4 he took office domestically.  

            Powell on palin: I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president.

            by vc2 on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:48:20 PM PST

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        •  asdf (12+ / 0-)

          "trust, but verify"..

          I agree...but the level of anger is much more than that.  It's like all the anger towards Bush is now directed at Obama.  

          There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Ed Howdershelt

          by Lava20 on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:38:36 PM PST

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        •  please..keep the hope (16+ / 0-)

          because i think that part of what makes some so nervous is that Obama is already proving he is change.  Unfortunately for most of us, we can't remember anything but politics as usual or being played for their own selfish reasons. promises broken and the people forgotten.

          Yet look at what Obama has done so far in a different light.

          1. He had dinner with the conservative media (and lets remember he accepted their/Wills invitation so suggesting he dissed the liberal media by eating with them is a little unfair. i am sure he would have accepted Maddow or Matthews invitation too).  This is almost unheard of. there were presidents who met with a group that had conservatives as a part or half of them, but not this.  Defanging the personal attacks is a way to remove the pettiness of DC politics. Argue the issues but not the man. That IS change.
          1. Tarp.  Well Bush/paulsen totally mismanaged the first half but i think it was necessary to try and move the credit market from a dead stop to a trickle at least - which happened.  But Obama has different plans for it, has promised strings on it and the uses for it are different.  It is hard to believe but again it is a different man, not the bush administration.  Trust but verify and remember that the more that can be used to help foreclosures etc through tarp the smaller the stimulus package and its money that has to be payed back (yeah i know they may not but its uncharted territory right now).
          1. some centrist positions and appointments.  Well..when was the last president who put what he thought was best ahead of partisan politics? Gates staying on is an example of the unthinkable until Obama.  For many reasons i agree with his choice even though i wish it was not necessary but he needs someone with no learning curve when there are 2 wars going on. (be it to disengage iraq or deal with afghanistan).  Centrist? yes...but he promised to be the president of all the people which means he is not Kucinich and won't be. Frustrating on some issues sure, but he has kept to his word from the campaign. Reach across the aisle and work with everyone.  

          What a great thing that an elected president is keeping his word on how he wants to govern. That is change we can believe in even if we don't agree with certain decisions.

          What we have is an honest president, and clinging to hope is not misplaced.  There are people i strongly disagree with but respect because of their honesty, and Obama has social progressive values.  economically more conservative but who ever expected perfection.

          Honesty, clarity, and a backbone..intelligence and creativity.  These are changes that deserve our hope even when we don't agree on an issue.

          Obama has already changed america for the better and will continue to do so.  it might be small steps at first but thats ok because wholesale changes would end up blocked and with such bad will that both sides would be looked at as obstructionists not just the gop.  Just...look at the man rather than each pick or issue. Look at what he is attempting to do in a time that no president has had to deal with before. One person said it was as if he had WW2 and the Great Depression dropped on his lap the same year.  Don't expect miracles and expect some mistakes but don't stop hoping. a man who does not believe in partisan politics ..well that is one hell of a good start. In fact its the true meaning of democracy and democratic.

          We will be ok, and our liberal values are going to come to fruition. Not as fast as we want, not as wholesale as we want.  Thats ok though, there are 45% of the country that need to be brought into the tent as well.

          3.

          Powell on palin: I don't believe she's ready to be president of the United States, which is the job of the vice president.

          by vc2 on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:44:10 PM PST

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          •  a good rule of thumb... (4+ / 0-)
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            ..."Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is open warfare".

            No living human being, the least of which the likes of one George Bush, could have exacted the amount of damage he did on America, without the tacit approval of, or by the direct orders of the power brokers(puppet masters)who really rule this nation.

            I can chalk-up 9/11 to Bush's incompetence, his personal failure to decipher the months of prior warnings by terrorism experts like Richard A. Clark, and his abject dereliction of duty to prevent it. A RED light is when a flight student takes a pilot course and tells the instructor that he's only interested in learning to take-off--not land the aircraft(as was the case with the 9/11 hijackers). A "supernova" is when the leading terrorism experts in the field warns of impending, if not imminent attacks and the potus decides he'd rather take-off the whole month of August, 2001 on vacation, than to assess and deal with the threat.

            When I examine the sum total of the events of the last 8 years, I am more than convinced that Naomi Klein is right about her "shock doctrine". Nothing is ever as it appears. And often what one perceives as "accidental incompetence", is really part of the grander scheme of things. One need only look at the end result. The end sometimes justifies the means:Bush has inflicted more damage on America than OBL could've done with 100 9/11's. It's almost as though they were fighting on the same side all along! And just as OBL is still alive and well and in full operational command of al-Qaeda, planning and poised to strike us again, Bush is still alive and well and laughing all the way to the bank!

            If OBL tore our flag apart on 9/11, Bush certainly did his very best to rip our Constitution asunder afterwards!

            "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

            by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:30:16 PM PST

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        •  Are we like the left wife... (13+ / 0-)

          I was thinking about this today.  Maybe we are like the wife that was cheated on and then left.  And we have a new relationship.  We meet a good guy.  And at first it is wonderful, marvelous.  Can't believe that a nice guy is even interested.  But then, after a while, geeze,he is not perfect.  And there is always that thing inside, afraid to trust.  Afraid to get hurt.  Can't believe that he is real.

          Many women, alas, can never get past the hurt and pain.  I know, it really took time.  And it became especially hard when I realized that my new fellow was not perfect after all.  

          I'm with the "give the guy a chance" school.  I have sat here today and watched CNN and MSNBC, and I found myself crying.  I want so bad for him to do well and be even half of what we think he is.

          But I was also so scared.  I hated to see him walk through all the people.  I almost don't want to care.  I remember when JFK was taken from us.  I don't want to go through that again.  

          But I have hope.  And I will enjoy this moment in history.  And I will pray for him, even though I am not much of a praying person.

          •  So true, (7+ / 0-)

            the clinical term is cognitive dissonance. You see, we have very little experience with this. The insurgent candidate doesn't even win the primary battle normally, so we have no experience with this. I knew that Obama would win rationally, but emotionally? Not so much. That's why all the usual rituals are even more important this time, they will help us Grok the fact that we really did elect a black dude named Barack Hussein Obama. That he is now the face we present to the world, the face that "represents" us. It's a lot to take in.

            Our history shapes out emotional reaction to things, and once burned really is twice shy.

      •  Yep, but re. some things.... (6+ / 0-)

        ... we shouldn't NEED to tell him what he should do. Prosecuting Bush and his buddies? Rather than waiting for us to demand it, Obama should take the initiative himself! He should say, "I know many people don't think we should look into the potential crimes of Bush and others, but I have no choice. It is my sworn DUTY to uphold the laws, and this is just too important to ignore. If justice isn't done in this case, then our whole moral standing in the world will be shattered. The lives of every person destroyed by the Bush Administration will have been in vain"

        THAT's what Obama should do! He's supposedly our "leader" now... well, then he'd better LEAD!

        "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

        by ratmach on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:26:06 PM PST

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        •  You think ... (16+ / 0-)

          You think Holder was going rogue when he said that waterboarding was illegal? Or when he said that no one was above the law?

          I think Obama prefers using a scalpel .... but will wait and see.

          "We will learn an enormous amount in a very short time, quite a bit in the medium term and absolutely nothing in the long term." Grantham on 2008 Crisis

          by Bronxist on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:29:37 PM PST

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          •  For NOW, I think you're right (5+ / 0-)

            Obama isn't yet in power, so I can kinda understand why he's not yelling and screaming like many of us (me included) have been. I think he's just biding his time.

            But I gotta tell you, this sure is stressful not knowing what's going on behind the scenes!!! (all part of the game, I realize)

            "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

            by ratmach on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:35:03 PM PST

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          •  Holder: we will go where the LAw lead us (1+ / 0-)
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            and if forced to break his oath to the Law and constitution that he will resign instead.

            the words of a AG that is going to roll over and cover up crimes, yeah right

            "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

            by IamTheJudge on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:54:34 PM PST

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        •  Jeez Again I ask the question why (1+ / 0-)
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          should we try to prosecute Bush in the U.S.  When it might be faster, more feasible, and much more likely to get a guilty verdict if we allow the world court to do it?  Slate talked about this on Thursday (I believe) the U.S. has signed treaties about this, bc of what that prosecutor said on Wednesday, the Int'l community needs to start investigating.

          It would not be easy to try a former president for "crimes" that he committed while serving  as president in the U.S.  

          GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

          by Shhs on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:50:08 PM PST

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          •  because it would show the world... (3+ / 0-)
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            ...that not only can we talk the talk but we can walk the walk. It would show the world that we have the guts to enforce our own laws, no matter how powerful the person(s) who committed the war crimes. And yes, torture is defined as a prosecutorial war crime. It's about respect for the rule of law, that those who commit war crimes, no matter how rich or powerful they are, or what office they may hold, or how loudly they make their plea of "we were just following orders", that the America who once stood for justice and the righteous judgment of such crimes, has found its way once again. It has recovered from its drunken stupor and finally found its way home. Leaders take the lead and don't wait for others to tell them what's right. Fools make excuses to fail, blame others when they do fail, and expect others to assume the responsibility for their shortcomings. It's our job to punish Bush and his whole war crime family-not the rest of the world!

            "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

            by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:53:52 PM PST

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        •  Even if that were Obama's intention (2+ / 0-)
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          are you out of you friggin mind?  What competent prosecutor would ever consider playing out their cards before they had the power to proceed?  You don't give the other side a head start on formulating their defense and, in this case, pardoning anyone on the list.

          Holy crap.  Think about this one.

          "There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. - James Morrow

          by artmartin on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 07:07:56 AM PST

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      •  This is not Pre-Judging... (3+ / 0-)
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        This is about judging his actions, not predicting what he might do, but discussing what he is doing now...Rick Warren, "Bush is a good guy", appointees, saying "entitlements" such as medicare and social security are unaffordable.  Making such decisions and statements are actions that have already been committed by Obama.

        •  They are entitlements that is what (6+ / 0-)

          they've always been called.  Maybe we should take the word back instead of being in fear of it. They are entitlements bc we are entitled to them.

          GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

          by Shhs on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:51:06 PM PST

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          •  Hannity keeps bringing up Social Security (1+ / 0-)
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            and Medicare. He says in his simple minded way, our government has spent the money.

            That is the way it is designed to work.  Any surplus could be used to buy treasury bonds, because that is the safest place in the world.  

            They are trying to set it up so that there won't be any money to pay back Social Security. They have loaned money to Wall Street, but we probably won't get it back.

            If they betray the workers on that, then there is not much worth saving in this country.

            I hope they don't do any bail outs or any give aways, because they will use it as an excuse to gut Social Security.

        •  So it will be better to agressively attack GWB (2+ / 0-)
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          and exact revenge, yes by all means  make him a martyr of the conservative cause and divide the country for generations

          "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

          by IamTheJudge on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:59:31 PM PST

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      •  Has anyone considered the dire results (2+ / 0-)
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        of threatening the Decider-in-Chief with legal investigations and possibly charges while he is still the Pardoner-in-Chief?

        Just saying.  Maybe mum is the best word until Wednesday morning.

        "It's what you think you know that just ain't so that will get you into trouble." --Will Rogers

        by winterbanyan on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 07:11:57 AM PST

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    •  I agree... we'll give him a chance (2+ / 0-)
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      As I've said many times before, I'm assuming Obama is just keeping things calm right now. Once he's in office, off come the gloves and Bush and his buddies are toast.

      I HAVE to assume that's what's going through Obama's head right now. I HAVE to assume he doesn't REALLY believe George W. Bush is a "good guy".

      So yeah, let's wait a little while and see what happens. But then... THEN if it turns out Obama is really NOT gonna go after the scumbags, I'll be the first person to stand up and shout that Barack Obama is a total fraud.

      "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

      by ratmach on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:12:32 PM PST

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      •  Or maybe he believes that he's a good guy, but... (9+ / 0-)

        he's still a criminal who should be prosecuted.  Some murderous criminals are nice guys on a personal level.  They still go to jail.

        We must allow them to finish their terms. Then they can start their new "terms". -edscan

        by lineatus on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:23:06 PM PST

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        •  True in some cases (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm thinking Jeff Dahmer for one. But I just don't see that in Bush. He just seems like a SLIME of the highest order on ALL levels. Politically, profesionally, formally, informally, etc, etc. And many of his friends and acquaintances who've known him most of his life seem to agree. George W. Bush is just a mean, nasty, arrogant, ME ME ME!! human being. So no, knowing how intelligent Barack Obama is, I don't believe for a second he REALLY thinks Bush is a "good guy".

          "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

          by ratmach on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:31:13 PM PST

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        •  maybe he believes that he's a good guy, but (0+ / 0-)

          he's still a criminal who should be prosecuted.

          Or maybe he believes that presidents should watch each other's backs.

          Bush Jr's Iraq farewell tour. Nobody could have foreseen shoes being used as a missile.

          by William Domingo on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:44:10 PM PST

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          •  Can the president even be tried for (0+ / 0-)

            stuff he did?  That's not exactly a question that has a firm answer.  It would be one more thing that would be challenged in the courts.  

            GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

            by Shhs on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:13:54 PM PST

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            •  Can the pres even be tried for stuff he did? (0+ / 0-)

              Yes. Once he's left office, even though it's never happened before because incoming presidents want to "look foreward, not back". In other words, I'll look foreward for you and the next guy will look foreward for me.

              Bush Jr's Iraq farewell tour. Nobody could have foreseen shoes being used as a missile.

              by William Domingo on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:19:54 PM PST

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              •  Oh okay you say yes? (0+ / 0-)

                What are you basing that on?  Seriously, I'm not saying that you are necessarily wrong, I am just trying to get ppl to understand that it isn't a clear cut answer to that question.

                GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

                by Shhs on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:24:15 PM PST

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          •  It was a polite answer and that was the best (3+ / 0-)
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            answer the could come up with, people you are reading too much into this

            "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi

            by IamTheJudge on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:01:21 PM PST

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    •  Yo tengo un hijo (9+ / 0-)

      He's a Mexican national and lives in Guadalajara.  I first met him when I moved there and needed a bilingual roommate.  I quickly became his gay mentor as he'd never told anyone about his identity.  

      He'd suffered a lot of abandonment in his life and he feared he'd lose me when I had to return to the states, so I adopted him in California.  He even asked the judge if he could use my surname.

      He had a great deal of potential but never had a break so I paid his way through college.  (In return, he promises to take care of me when I'm "older and grayer.")  

      He finished his bachelor's degree in 3 years with a 95 average.  When I asked him why he rushed it, he said, "because it's your money."

      He's now "married" and very successful in his career.  I couldn't be prouder of him and I couldn't love him more.  Still, I think he's the most honorable man I've ever met.    

      Thanks for your diary and for letting me brag about Mi Hijo!

      (-7.75, -7.69) No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up - Lily Tomlin

      by john07801 on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:26:32 PM PST

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    •  We have the power now with or w/o our President. (2+ / 0-)
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      JaciCee, I am sorry to burst your bubble of hope but this is so untrue.

      Money is power and influence.

    •  Rec's and Mojos keep me straight (2+ / 0-)
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      Because I assume they all come from the opposite sex.

      No signature this cycle is as important as RE-electing Larry Kissell to Congress.

      by RANT on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:27:44 PM PST

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    •  Hope is good (2+ / 0-)
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      but seeing facts is also good. And speaking up about the distressing facts is even better. I don't think we can afford to cling to hope without also dedicating ourselves to seeing what is for what is. Obama has done and said a number of very disconcerting things in the last few weeks that upset not just the diarist you speak of, but people like Paul Krugman and William Greider. I don't think hope means ignoring problems or holding back from expressing one's emotions or responses for fear of the wrecking the hope. To me it means we keep working, regardless -- with eyes open and cognizant of the fact that many of the forces within Obama's advisory team and without are dead set against the kind of paradigm-altering action we need to right the ship.

      If folks haven't yet read them, I urge you to check out Krugman's open letter to Obama and William Greider's piece on the global nature of the economic problems we face -- and the global solutions that are required. What I and many others are questioning is whether Obama has the political strength and courage to go deep enough and outside of the box enough to make a difference in these extraordinary times. We have seen a number of statements and actions from Obama that indicate otherwise, and it's downright scary, at least to me.

      Visit my blog DemocracyForNewMexico: NM grassroots politics and activism

      by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 07:21:54 PM PST

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      •  Hope doesn't mean ignoring anything. (2+ / 0-)
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        At least not to me.

        "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

        by JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:44:24 PM PST

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        •  I know (2+ / 0-)
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          but some other commenters here and on the diary in question seem to believe that OPOL should ignore what he's feeling and thinking or at least not express what he's feeling and thinking in order to preserve some kind of unity here or some kind of mass loyalty to Obama or some mood that can't stand up to seeing possible flaws in Obama.

          I support people challenging OPOL's points but, unfortunately, some are questioning his motives and more than implying that he's up to no good. That I can't accept.

          I also think there's more than a tinge of unrealistic expectation tied up in the concept of hope with some folks. So much so that reading critical comments about Barack's actions gets taken personally by them, when I don't believe that's what the criticisms represent at all.

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          by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:57:36 PM PST

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          •  Agreed. (1+ / 0-)
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            I support people challenging OPOL's points but, unfortunately, some are questioning his motives and more than implying that he's up to no good. That I can't accept.

            We can't operate with blinders on.

            "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

            by JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:05:02 PM PST

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            •  Believe me (1+ / 0-)
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              I hear where you are coming from. All of this is emotional and scary and like a roller coaster ride as we move into essentially uncharted territory. I know that some days I'm high as a kite on the prospect of an Obama presidency. The next day I can feel so damned vulnerable, confused and wary. It's a complex time and I think most of us have complex reactions based on our pasts and many other factors. Live and let live I guess. OPOL felt like that today and I did too in many respects. I've never been the same since the Warren thing though. It hit me on such an unexpectedly deep level that I can still reel in anger about it.

              Like I say-complicated feelings, complicated people, complicated times. I think it's important to give one another the space to express whatever we're feeling at that moment. I liked reading OPOL's diary and I liked reading yours. The feelings I have about the future can encompass both viewpoints and everything in between on any given day. Especially when I'm on dental pain meds!

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              by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:21:36 PM PST

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    •  rec'd (1+ / 0-)
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      Mijo and mija became the term, my white, gay, special education teacher and I used when we would  team teach with including the Spanish teacher.   We also used it with the students both regular education and special education students.
      It is a beautiful term of affection due to the "mi" part which shows ownership.
      We belong to one another.

      Teaching became" a hanging out of specially trained adults, teaching a big group of kids moving through different classroom spaces". ( Some of these adults included university professors, university students doing a PhD, a brand new teacher taking notes, student teachers, teacher aids, and parents, too.)  

      Because ownership and belonging to one another is what humans are all about.  
      What Obama's message of hope means to me that we will return to a time when we love ALL our children.  The nation's children becomes mijos and mijas...

      Beautiful diary JaciCee.

      http://www.shelterbox.org/

      by TexMex on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 07:44:07 AM PST

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    •  "The shot is up..AND IT'S GOOD! another 3 pointer (1+ / 0-)
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      for Jacicee!!!"

      Nice job, dear.

      :-)>

      -7.88, -6.72. "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins."--John Locke IMPEACH THE BASTARDS!!!

      by caseynm on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 07:55:53 AM PST

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  •  You're not supposed to call people out in titles. (6+ / 0-)

    SO IT IS WRITTEN.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:34:53 PM PST

  •  A very nice response JaciCee. (76+ / 0-)

    I'm hoping for greatness from him as well.  I hope your faith, and that of so many others, is well placed.  My problem is more with the entrenched powers (the military industrial complex and congress) than with BHO.  But believe it or not, I'm hoping for the best too.

    "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

    Iraq Moratorium

    by One Pissed Off Liberal on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:39:57 PM PST

  •  Hey, not all of us can be optimistic.... (9+ / 0-)

    but I definitely give you credit for trying to be. It is more effort than I can give. And I certainly wish you good health. Whatever your past or family history do not give yourself a life expectancy, it for certain does not do you or any of us any good... Obviously the world needs more like you.

    Savez-vous quelque bien qui console du regret d'un monde?

    by DawnoftheRedSun on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:43:39 PM PST

    •  I am sure there is something (8+ / 0-)

      you are optomistic about.  Thanks for your kind words.

      "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

      by JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 03:46:37 PM PST

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    •  Please check out this link: (3+ / 0-)

      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      This is a greater level of maturity and objectivity than I've seen in America for a very long time. It makes me realize the importance of one of the things that Obama keeps saying, that it's really up to us. All of us. His job is to provide leadership. And given the way people's views have begun to shift, and the atmosphere of relative calmness that I feel in this country after years of being whipsawed and cowed by fear-mongering, I'd say he's off to a flying start when it comes to helping people get focused on digging in to do the hard work that has to be done.

      Sincerity is a rare and valuable currency in politics. Even if some of these problems can't be solved and the merde hits the fan, there's one thing we'll be able to do that's been impossible for awhile now: stand up straight and tall, take a deep breath, and know that people are doing the best that they can. No one can ask for more than that.

      "Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it." ML King

      by TheWesternSun on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:34:45 PM PST

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      •  Hard work (2+ / 0-)
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        is a given. The question comes in what the hard work is applied to. There are big questions that need to be considered as we move forward, and sides will be taken, must be taken. I have hope, but it's a wary  hope, born of seeing a lot of history go down in my 60 years. I wanted to see Obama start out more forcefully and boldly in his early statements and appointments because that's the starting point and the forces of the status quo will grind relentlessly.

        To nourish my hope I will need to see Obama take some challenging stands against the forces of big finance, big military, and big corporatists -- to represent us strongly in the push for progressive change that goes to the roots of the problems. What I've been seeing of late is not that. And I wonder who within his administration will speak on behalf of those big changes, and advise him to act boldly and take on the entrenched power blocs. I hope, but I wonder. I hope but I want to speak out and encourage others to do so.

        I don't ruin my hope by doing so -- I strengthen it, because I feel I am a part of it, saying what I feel and believe at every stage of the game. I don't fear losing hope. I fear losing my ability to think critically and without blinders about what is going on unless I see the potential mistakes as they develop, and point them out to others.

        I hope this makes sense.

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        by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 07:35:21 PM PST

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  •  I've got a 4 year old granddaughter (6+ / 0-)

    so I must have hope, but I'll fight for it every step of the way.  I've seen too much since the 60's on to give much leighway.

    "Peace cannot be achieved by force. It can only be achieved by understanding" Albert Einstein

    by BigAlinWashSt on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:07:19 PM PST

  •  JC (1+ / 0-)
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    Sorry, I un-recommended after seeing Addison's reminder about calling out a diarist in a title.  

    I really appreciate your heartfelt thoughts here.
     
    Can you change the title to make nice with the rules?

    And in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false - about HOPE. Barack Obama

    by thesunshinestateisdark on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:08:35 PM PST

  •  beautiful (7+ / 0-)

    Hope is a strong thing. Thanks for this.

    •  Barack Obama agrees. (4+ / 0-)
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      It has put him where he is, so improbably, today.

      He is without question going to move us forward strongly in a positive direction. After the last eight long years of horrors, That is change we should all be able to believe in.

      Will he be perfect or 100% satisfy any of us on the left? Nope.

      •  Heh. It is humanly (or even dietyly) impossible (6+ / 0-)

        to satisfy any one of us 100%.

        I know that the Obama administration will do things I vehemently disagree with...have known it from the git go and I supported him from the git go.

        The biggest difficulty ahead, for me, will be to remain rational and look at the whole picture when these instances occur.  

        They are going to occur, these disagreements/disappointments; the test will be to deal with them appropriately rather than going all chicken-little-everything-is-lost-nothing-but-lies.

        I hope I'm not the only one anticipating this and trying to mentally prepare myself for constructive, rather than destructive, reaction.

        "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

        by 417els on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:04:48 PM PST

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  •  Barack brings hope but we need to bring effort (8+ / 0-)

    I think it will take a while to sink in that the unresponsive Bush style of power is gone.

    Let's take Barack at his word.
    He wants to hear from us.  He needs us.
    He expects us to bring change though our own personal effort.

    The way is clear to get involved, get organized, and make change happen.  
    Let's give "hard work" back it's good name.

    •  And he's giving us the tools (5+ / 0-)

      I posted this at Al Giordano's blog a couple days ago but it's worth repeating here.

      From the LA Times

      Reporting from Washington -- As Barack Obama builds his administration and prepares to take office next week, his political team is quietly planning for a nationwide hiring binge that would marshal an army of full-time organizers to press the new president's agenda and lay the foundation for his reelection.  

      The organization, known internally as "Barack Obama 2.0," is being designed to sustain a grass-roots network of millions that was mobilized last year to elect Obama and now is widely considered the country's most potent political machine.

      that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope. - Barack Obama

      by acuppajo on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:26:03 PM PST

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  •  Phase II: We have to keep doing our part and (7+ / 0-)

    our role is changing. I hope we can get that figured out. (without a lot of shouting!)heh.

    Thanks Jaci, you expressed it very well.

    Whatever you do, or dream, begin it now.. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Begin it now. ~Goethe

    by Lady Libertine on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:14:55 PM PST

  •  You know what gives me the most hope... (21+ / 0-)

    I actually believe that Obama will try harder because he has his own two Mijas.

    I think he truly cares about having a better world for his daughters.

  •  Thanks for this excellent diary. I believe (9+ / 0-)

    Obama will restore hope across the age spectrum.  Parents and children, young and old will be more respected and cared for after his two terms than any of us can imagine at this juncture.

  •  I suppose I'm past "hope". (14+ / 0-)

    There will be an historically powerful Democratic President and a Democratic Congress.  If they cannot deliver change, no excuse will be good enough, no explanation why they can't do what they were elected to do will be accepted, no abjuration to sit down and shut up and keep donating money will be strong enough.

    But, I'm not unreasonable.  Deliver at least part of the change that was promised, and keep us from sliding off the cliff.  That's not "hope", it's all I ask.  Insist on, really.  As should we all.

    The Great Orange Satan's Winged Messenger! (-6.62, -6.26)

    by AndyS In Colorado on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:24:19 PM PST

  •  Well, I hope good things are done. (2+ / 0-)
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    And I'm sure everyone here does too.  It's just that it's really, really hard given US history to believe it.  And that means that we can hope and give a chance, but that we also have to be ready to make an issue when it's required.

  •  OPOL is awesome. (11+ / 0-)

    I don't even agree with him half the time, but I still think he's a magnificent human being.

    Warning: this comment may contain sarcasm or satire.

    by MBNYC on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:25:44 PM PST

  •  he's had plenty of chances (6+ / 0-)

    he had the chance to try to stop the retroactive legalization of criminal acts by the Bush administration; he broke his promise to filibuster and voted for it.

    He had the chance to push for a real bailout that was structured to protect taxpayers and do something to help ordinary folk; instead he simply went along with the Paulson bailout which has now gone disastrously awry.

    He had the chance to make his inauguration a demonstration of tolerance; instead he embraced a homophobic theocrat who has worked to ban condoms and homosexuality in African nations.

    Despite all that I still think we should give him another chance.

    But please let's dispense with the fiction that he hasn't had any chances. He's had plenty.

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:28:28 PM PST

  •  You're right JaciCee, we have to give Obama (6+ / 0-)
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    a chance.  OPOL, of course, has a point:

    The real power never really changes hands.

    "The more things change the more they stay the same."  

    And yet, not really.  

    Surely we know this after the last 8 years.  GW wasn't more of the same.  The country lurched in a horrible direction on so many issues because of GW and his cabal.  So perhaps Obama will not be the poster child for progressives on every issue, but I can't imagine, on any level, that he will be more of the same.  

    •  Oh yes the real power does change hands (4+ / 0-)

      elections do have consequences. The real power is not on Wall Street, or corporate boardrooms, or even in the halls of congress. It's right here in our hands. Just look at what we've done. We've changed the course of this nation and I suspect in a lasting way.

      The torch has been passed to a new generation who are now leading the way, organizing, volunteering, voting. Unlike the Gen-Xr's who were comparatively apathetic, many of who'm could not be pried off their couches, and unlike the boomers who were decidedly more activist but evenly split.

      The millenials are civic minded, activist, serious, and overwhelmingly progressive. They are the one's with the real power now. The rest of us are just along for the ride.

      Obama is a transitional figure, 8 years from now is when we will really see the big changes.

  •  We need such Diaries/Individuals (7+ / 0-)

    I too initially found OPOL's rec'd Diary a bit of a downer, but upon reflection have the following thoughts, to wit: (1) all of OPOL's observations were fair observations; (2) I do not consider OPOL's Diary to have scienter (evil intent); and (3) we need voices such as OPOL to remind us from whence we have come and where we hope to journey.  We may not all agree on all things at all times, but let us never stop locking arms in the journey to making tomorrow a better and more just day in America.  

    Dreams have a way of betraying you when you use them to escape. Ask yourself why you dream what you dream.

    by brjzn on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:34:15 PM PST

    •  The problem with that is (2+ / 0-)
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      it's exactly the opposite of what OPOL is doing. He is rather transparently fomenting division, injecting dissatisfaction prematurely. How can we be expected to start "locking arms in the the journey to making a better tomorrow" when he spews such resentful bile at the person so many of us have worked so hard to elect before he has even taken office.

      As this diaries existence and immediate rocketing directly past OPOLs to the very top of the Rec list clearly shows, OPOL is stirring resentment in the ranks. And he is doing so prematurely. No, we don't need diaries like his. We need pragmatic recognitions of reality. Like the reality that we still have to kiss republican ass for at least another two years if we expect to accomplish anything.

      •  We are the asses, Sir (1+ / 0-)
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        We need pragmatic recognitions of reality. Like the reality that we still have to kiss republican ass

        The ass is the symbol of the Democratic Party.

        Are you lost?  Shouldn't you be with your kin and come kiss us donkeys?

        Reality is that the world has changed.  

        Best,  Terry

        •  I think you know what I mean (0+ / 0-)

          or at least should. The world has indeed changed, but not so much that we can demand whatever we want and expect it to magically happen.

          The fact is that republicans can still filibuster and until that dynamic changes, yes we will have to placate them. We have to work with them, not just against them. If nothing else, that is what Obama's entire candidacy was all about, bringing all sides together to find solutions to our common problems.

          As much as I'd love to see it happen, we can't just stomp our way through the legislative process like so many colossi, we still have to deal with not only republicans but conservative democrats such as the rather sizable contingent of blue dogs still in congress. They aren't going away any time soon, and they sure as hell aren't going to sign on to the more radical impulses of the fringe elements that OPOL sometimes represents.

          •  Again, you are dividing us, not uniting us (1+ / 0-)
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            the more radical impulses of the fringe elements that OPOL sometimes represents.

            The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

            by BentLiberal on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:09:44 PM PST

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          •  Facts (1+ / 0-)
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            The fact is that republicans can still filibuster

            Always could.

            When Harry Truman was president, the Republicans didn't need to filibuster.  They had the majority.

            And the Senate needed a single senator able and willing to talk endlessly to filibuster.

            I don't recall "Give 'em hell Harry" being overly kind to Republicans.  Truman is regarded by many as a very successful president, oddly most especially by Republicans.

            The farce of claiming to be helpless in the face of a divided minority and so needing to accede to their every whim is ludicrous.  

            that is what Obama's entire candidacy was all about, bringing all sides together

            So you want to bring all sides to the table except Democrats from Democratic Wing of the party?

            And that's what Obama's candidacy was all about?

            Could have fooled me.

            Best,  Terry

      •  Passionate Pragmatism? (2+ / 0-)
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        Good lord - I'm speechless.

        We need pragmatic recognitions of reality. Like the reality that we still have to kiss republican ass for at least another two years if we expect to accomplish anything.

        The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

        by BentLiberal on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:40:05 PM PST

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      •  So what are you saying? (3+ / 0-)
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        That OPOL's expressions of his feelings and thoughts related to actions and words by Obama are divisive because they are critical? If that's where we are headed as a movement, there'll be lots of heartache indeed. We don't want or need group think, do we? Why do you see it as an attack on unity of purpose when someone is critical of the tactics and focus of Obama's early actions and words?

        I don't believe critical expression is divisive. It's healthy and necessary, especially as we move into the incredibly serious problems we face.

        Democracies and communities should be strengthened by debate and disagreements, not weakened.

        I have seen enough presidents take office over my 6 decades, and if I've learned one thing it's that they inevitably get impacted by the status quo forces. I don't care how well meaning or wise they are. Which makes our facing facts and confronting possible mistakes and seeing things as they are as critically important. We may not agree with OPOL but to attack him as disloyal, divisive and seeking to create resentments is just plain wrong-headed in my view. I share many of his fears about Obama and those who are advising him. That doesn't make me give up. It makes me want to fight harder.

        Obama is a politician and he will be buffeted by political forces. It's up to us to provide our own brand of buffeting to try and keep him on course. I just don't see anything wrong about that.

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        by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 07:53:08 PM PST

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        •  PS (0+ / 0-)

          I also don't think it's appropriate for you to suggest it's up to you to decide which diaries are what "we need" or not. Speak for yourself and read what you want but I think OPOL's diary helped many people by bringing into the light some of the thoughts and fears many of us are having as we move towards inauguration day. I'm appreciative of his honesty and willingness to put his feelings and thoughts out there.

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          by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:39:13 PM PST

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  •  Dear President not on the recommended list (6+ / 0-)

    Go away.
    No foundation, no good will tours, no more tv interviews on Sunday morning,  no library speech, no golf tournaments, no biography, no first pitches, no grand marshal, no cutting ribbons, no breaking ground ceremony, no support for national disasters, and absolutely.... no more olympics.

  •  I gave him a chance by voting for him. (4+ / 0-)
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    Twice. I will wait and see what he does, but I have to admit some recent actions give me pause. There's an ever slight whiff of '93 in the air.

    If you see mistakes in this post, it's because my editor's on vacation. Sorry.

    by TKinVT on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:46:15 PM PST

  •  Hope can be scary, because IF it doesn't work out (4+ / 0-)

    and the dream becomes a nightmare, then we can get left in the dirt with broken hearts and bruised ego's feeling like stupid fools.

    But if we can't dare to hope and try, then how much different are we than the fear based folk who have opted for cutting the best deal they can for the crumbs from their masters' plates?

    "Yes, WE can," matters. It is at once empowering and encouraging. Is Obama going to give us a progressive Utopia at 12:30 on Tuesday? No, of course not, but just like so many other Americans before us, WE have an opportunity to further perfect this union, now, by daring to work with a leader who is calling upon us to say once again, "Yes, we can."

    It was patriots in 1776, conductors and Quakers in the 1850's, Lincoln and blue coated soldiers in the 1860's, union strikers and journalists during the Progressive Era, suffragettes in the 1920's, civil rights workers in the 1960's, Prop 8 protesters today, and countless other Americans recognized and unrecognized, pushing, yelling, persuading, living, loving, marching, dying, trying, succeeding -- and sometimes failing.

    Win or lose, they all did good work.  They mattered.  They left the world a better place for their having been here and tried.  And, yes, we can too.

    So, I choose to hope.  I'm going to do my best to help this talented leader help me, mi hijo, and even those who called us names when we protested against the Iraq War and loved Sarah.  

    I might get my heart broken, but I can live with that. I can't LIVE without hope, and I refuse to survive on hate and crumbs.  

    "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

    by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 04:49:19 PM PST

  •   I think we are seeing (9+ / 0-)

    the budding of a fight for the heart and soul of this website. On the one hand there are pragmatic progressives democrats like Kos, on the other we have the extremist fringe who will never be satisfied no matter how far things swing to the left. OPOL has somehow missed the very core of Obama's message. That being that it's time to put aside our divisions and come together in a way that allows progress to be made, recognizing that we can't get all the way there overnight. But if we work together, maybe, just maybe we'll make some real progress along the way.

    Really, I think OPOL is unwittingly, or perhaps intentionally, sowing the seeds of division. He calls himself a democrat, but really I think he'd be more at home with the greens.

    •  Being against Bush was a very bonding experience. (2+ / 0-)

      We sure had a clear sense of US, given the dreadful maliciousness of THEM, didn't we?

      IMHO, I think we'll be okay.  This is just normal storming and re-norming.  A critical mass of people will form around a set of core issues that nearly everyone agrees upon, and we get moving on those, together.

      And, as this is shaking out, we just need to remember to value our gadflys for their stinging refusal to accept anything less than a progressive, green utopia. I for one may not always agree, but I always like a good, intelligent argument.

      Besides, THEY are still out there, and I have no doubt that they will counter attack as soon as they can figure out how.  WE have had the experience of succeeding, together, and WE are not going to forget it anytime soon.

      "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

      by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:14:52 PM PST

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      •  That critical mass formed a long time ago (3+ / 0-)
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        What OPOL is doing is trying to drive a wedge between those of us who actually worked for progress and know how hard it is to achieve, and those who just like to whine about it. The ones who can't be bothered to actually pick up a phone and call voters or canvass a neighborhood, or enter voter data or run for office. No, it's a lot easier to put together pictures and video montages and pen vile screeds that refuse to recognize the actual progress being made because it's not enough to suit them.

        It's baby steps mejito. We can't make a giant leap every day.

        •  Perhaps. Still, gadflys do serve a valuable role (1+ / 0-)
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          in any movement.  

          "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

          by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:36:44 PM PST

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          •  Agreed, but OPOL is no Gadfly (0+ / 0-)

            He is an opinion leader now. I've watched his evolution closely over the past two years. And when someone reaches that level, I think they carry a responsibility beyond merely stating opinion. They need to give some thought to the repercussions their statements generate. Acting irresponsibly, as I believe he has begun to do of late, damage the movement much more than they advance it.

            His diaries are now top of the rec list material due to his well earned following here. But that has a price, because top of the rec list diaries on DailyKos become the face of the movement to the rest of the world.

            And when they become so extreme as to alienate large numbers within an admittedly progressive movement, they also discredit the movement among the general public. We become marginalized and trivialized, just as we are becoming credible. Hence, they do more damage than good.

            •  You have a point, there. I'll have to watch that (0+ / 0-)

              I'm going to do some back diary scanning to get a better sense of this.  Thanks!

              Peace

              "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

              by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:12:08 PM PST

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            •  What a bunch of crap (4+ / 0-)
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              The heart and soul of this website, and I've been here a long time, has always been a few frogs yelling, "Hey, it's getting fucking hot in here", while the rest lull to sleep until something dramatic happens, or usually a series of dramatic things happen, that makes everyone else start to realize said frogs were right, it is fucking hot in here.

              You're definition of "extreme" is obviously the one defined every Sunday on Meet the Press, where "centrism", a fictitious term, is propagated as a virtue above all others, and the "left" is represented by people to the right of Nixon.

              I remember, after the 2006 midterms, watching everyone's irrational exuberance over the great victory - which was really the Republicans great loss, and thinking, I'll give it a year. A year before they realize they were duped.

              I was wrong. It only took about three months.

        •  I can't tell you (2+ / 0-)
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          how wrong I think you are about this. I'm another person who is having some grave doubts about Obama's actions, words and choices for advisers and cabinet members. I have worked pretty much nonstop in grassroots activism since 2003, not just for presidential candidates, but for state and local candidates and issues. That doesn't mean I don't think critically and express that criticism when I feel it is justified.

          We're not talking about a progressive Eden. We're talking about upholding the constitution, punishing those who think they are above the law, working to dismantle the dangerously short-sighted "free" trade, international monetary and corporate policies instituted by greed people without compassion or conscience. When I hear someone who has defined himself as a serious change agent using right-wing framing about "reining in entitlement programs" at a time when so many are suffering, it definitely makes my alarm bells go off. And it should.

          I work from a set of values and positions on issues that I've worked long and hard to develop, and have spent years advocating for on pretty much a daily basis. When I hear someone -- even Obama -- saying things that go against them or taking actions that seem to go the opposite way, I will speak up and push back. It is not about keeping a pristine picture of Obama for me. It's about keeping the pressure on for the things I believe in. That's where my hope resides.

          Visit my blog DemocracyForNewMexico: NM grassroots politics and activism

          by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:05:48 PM PST

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          •  There is an enormous difference (2+ / 0-)
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            between expressing criticism when it is justified and doing what OPOL is doing. He's not just expressing criticism, he is irresponsibly dipping into hyperbole, hurling accusations, implying that Obama has sold out and even calling Obama a liar before he has even been sworn in. He is also failing to acknowledge what he elected. Obama is not saying anything he did not already say before he was elected. Not a damn thing. Face it, he is not a liberal and never was. He is a moderate and always has been. He's not a centrist, but he is a moderate.

            Read his book, listen to his interviews. Stop buying into hype. Dennis Kucinich was the only real liberal running. I'll bet you did not vote for him in the primaries, almost nobody did.

            Obama is just doing what he must to maintain control of what will surely be a very tenuous coalition of moderate conservatives, blue dogs, and quasi-liberals in congress. That is what he MUST do if we are to see any progress. That is reality, and if you've really done all the work in politics that you claim then it's rather shocking to me that you have so little understanding of the political realties that all candidates must face when they must make the transition from candidate to elected official.

            •  So what (2+ / 0-)
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              if he is doing what you are saying? He seems to me to be honestly expressing his feelings and thoughts at this point in time. Why does that bother you so  much? Must everyone agree with you at every juncture? Why is it so threatening to you to witness what OPOL has said?

              It's not even about being "liberal" as you suggest. Upholding the constitution, refraining from using Repub talking points and frames and removing telecom immunity and fixing FISA are basic Dem principles. When Obama explained his vote for FISA, he said he'd fix it and wasn't for telecom immunity. Now we hear thru Holder that his administration will fight to preserve the law as is.

              I have read his interviews and his books. I've also researched who he has selected for advisory and cabinet posts. I never saw Obama as anything more than a slightly progressive pol. However, I did think he would challenge the status quo forces a lot more than he appears ready to do. That concerns me. And no, I would never vote for Kucincih. He is an entirely ineffective Congressman who hasn't passed a single bill. What that has to do with OPOL expressing his thoughts and feelings freely, I don't know.

              I am entirely aware of what kinds of compromises and negotiations are needed in politics. That doesn't mean I don't push so that the compromises and negotiations are more likely to slant the way I'd like them to slant.

              I know that to start out on the turf of your opponents, instead of on your  own turf is usually a big mistake. If you start on their territory, you have nowhere to compromise except too much. For instance, if you're making offers at a flea market, you don't start with the highest price you will pay. You start low.

              Visit my blog DemocracyForNewMexico: NM grassroots politics and activism

              by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:12:46 PM PST

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    •  Oh an you're just the great unifier? (3+ / 0-)
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      on the other we have the extremist fringe

      The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

      by BentLiberal on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:41:49 PM PST

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      •  I guess I'm a member of said fringe. (3+ / 0-)

        I had no idea.

        If you see mistakes in this post, it's because my editor's on vacation. Sorry.

        by TKinVT on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:46:00 PM PST

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      •  eh? (1+ / 0-)
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        I made no such claim, I merely pointed out that OPOL is indeed dividing us. It was never about me, but thank you for granting me such credibility.

        •  At least you admit you're divisive. (0+ / 0-)

          Thanks.

          The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

          by BentLiberal on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:03:21 PM PST

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        •  I am OPOL (1+ / 0-)
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          and he is me.

          I merely pointed out that OPOL is indeed dividing us.

          OPOL is speaking of what is.  You appear to be much more divisive than he is.

          The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

          by BentLiberal on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:05:40 PM PST

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          •  A sock puppet? (1+ / 0-)
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            Well, I'm not going there. I'm just agreeing with the premise of this diary. OPOL or you, by attacking Obama so viciously before he has even entered office is pretty divisive, as the existence of this top of the rec list diary pretty well proves.

            Just for the record, I actually agree with a lot of what OPOL (or you) are saying in principal. My problem is that I can see past that and understand that Obama has political realities he must deal with. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a while. I really don't think now is the time to go for the jugular. He has 59 senate democrats, but many of them are blue dogs. That adds up to a really tough time taking the kind of liberal agenda that you would like to see.

            •  Phil, I realize you're new here. (0+ / 0-)

              But even you can't play that dumb.

              A sock puppet?

              Well, I'm not going there.

              Except you already went there.

              Your need to label those that you disagree with as loony fringe and sock-puppets is very insecure.

              Your funniest comment in this thread is the one where you said that this diary "passing up" OPOL's diary on the rec list proved he was dividing "us."

              Guess you forgot to look and see how many of the recommenders were the same for both diaries.

              (But gee, we wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your self indulgence.)

              The crooks are leaving office, unprosecuted and scot-free.

              by BentLiberal on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:36:09 PM PST

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    •  otoh, maybe we're growing up a little and (2+ / 0-)
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      seeing how differently we come at things, many of us, but that's just fine because we share so many of the same principles. My Dad always said that it's difficult to be a person of principle, because there's not much wiggle room.

      "Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it." ML King

      by TheWesternSun on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:38:09 PM PST

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    •  I don't think that's the case (3+ / 0-)
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      Rather, I think Meteor Blade's Night Owls poll last night demonstrates that the site is populated - just like the real world - with people who are essentially either pessimists or optimists.

      With more than 8,000 Kossacks responding, 58 percent were optimistic (either "buzzed" from the historic nature of Tuesday's inaugural, "eager to hear Obama's speech," "excited" or attending the event in person. Another 23 percent were in the "meh" or "wait and see" categories and the percentage of Kossacks that were downright cynical and pessimistic constituted only eight percent. Yes, the Eeyores tend to be a bit louder than their actual numbers, but that's normal, too.

      And in any case, I'm certain that OPOL isn't "sowing the seeds of division" neither intentionally nor unwittingly.

      •  I'm neither (1+ / 0-)
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        I try to be accurate. If you're on a bus, and you see a sign on the side of the road, perhaps obscured somewhat by trees, and it's dark, but you see it - "BRIDGE OUT AHEAD", is it pessimism to relay that information to the driver?

        What would you think of a driver who would responded with, "Oh, you're just being pessimistic"?

        Humans do have the ability to see into the future. It's called extrapolation. Optimism is looking at Obama's actions and statements over these last few months, since he won the nomination, and hoping that, despite those actions and statements, he really has a secret agenda to defeat the true sources of evil in our society. And it's not the Republicans. It's corporatism.

        Used to, I would have to link to 20 websites to show why corporatism is fucking evil. Now I can just say read the book.

    •  I think OPOL is (0+ / 0-)

      passionately against war.  I understand his background and that passion.  

      "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

      by JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:55:38 PM PST

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    •  So you think (0+ / 0-)

      there is only one true heart and soul of this community and it just happens to match where you are at this point in time? There are many hearts and souls here, a real diversity of them in fact. We can  agree, disagree, somewhat agree, vehemently disagree on any number of points. What we are supposed to share, in my view, is an appreciation of diversity of response - not only one particular point of view. How boring and confining would that be?

      Visit my blog DemocracyForNewMexico: NM grassroots politics and activism

      by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:45:07 PM PST

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    •  It's a bit early to Red Bait, no? (0+ / 0-)

      Muphry's Law: if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written.

      by opendna on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 02:07:10 AM PST

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  •  Love your diary, too. (4+ / 0-)
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    I have sons and daughters. I see no hope for me. But, today I watched and I listened. My hope for them brought the tears to my eyes.

     I look at pictures of Obama with his girls. I see their joyful faces lift up to their father. I'm betting on that.

    Republican concept of labor: "Machines of Meat"

    by redtex on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:10:45 PM PST

    •  Our youngest is 11, like the Obama's oldest (2+ / 0-)
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      Our family has hope, too. We also now have two grandchildren. We have to work to make this better, to bring back the United States that we all see in our dreams the last eight years.

      My father-in-law recognized what Obama could be well over a year ago. We weren't there yet. Then again he knew Robert Kennedy.

      Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices--François-Marie Arouet

      by CA Berkeley WV on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:15:56 PM PST

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  •  My mantra is (4+ / 0-)
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    peace, love, compassion and hope.  I lost hope somewhere down the road and Obama has given it back to me so I am relishing in it and I believe in his vision.  

  •  Thank you (7+ / 0-)

    Even if some have given up, I haven't.  Most of us haven't.  This is a great moment.

    I thought Obama would teach everyone the difference between "its" and "it's."

    by Into The Stars on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:15:31 PM PST

  •  I gave him a chance, too. (4+ / 0-)

    Like the commenter said above, I voted for him.

    Now he is about to be one of the most powerful people in the world.  If you like to identify with great -- even terrible -- power, then go for it!  May it make you feel warm and fuzzy and stuff.  

    I'm not going to down Obama.  But I will feel hopeful when he starts acting for the least and most damaged of our society, and saying hard things that are true.  Right now he doesn't show the least sign of doing either of those things, but...I'm willing to hope.  Not, however, to the point of ceasing to be aware, or vigilant, or concerned.

    ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

    by jessical on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:24:44 PM PST

    •  I say he already is. I got my email for the Day (11+ / 0-)

      of Service, on Monday.  I'll be honest.  I probably would have used the day off to kick back all day.  Instead, I clicked through for my local opportunity to volunteer, and my son and I are scheduled to pack "Power Packs" of food for kids who don't have food on weekends on Fountain Square in Cincinnati, Ohio.

      Note: These kids get fed in school through the week, but have severe food insecurity on weekends.

      Currently, the local food bank only has the funds to serve 250 kids whereas they estimate the need at 3000. Doing this effort in public in the center of town will publicize the need.  

      So, yes, Obama already IS doing for the least among us through my son and I, and the thousands of others who are heading out to help on Monday, and in the days to come.  You can help or not - believe or not - hope or not.  We'll still be out there packing food, protesting, registering voters, writing letters & emails, and generally being annoyingly active and hopeful.

      Peace

      "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

      by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 05:54:07 PM PST

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      •  very cool (1+ / 0-)
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        And I wish...I wish I had more of your hope.  Maybe I'll get it.  I do volunteer work, that is not my frame, but I do it.  Over time, life vs volunteer has become a hard balance to strike.  I do my best, for me.

        Your comment was...I guess it is...what Obama has called to, touched in people, is a species of love.  He has impressed the hell out of me, I'm very glad I voted for him, but I'm not there.  Indeed, I am scared of what happens if he misuses that love, by supporting things which are genuinely rotten at the same time he is promoting other things which make people look to his leadership in a less than critical way.  

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:00:18 PM PST

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        •   I wish I could "give" you some hope. I don't (7+ / 0-)

          know if this will matter or make sense to you, but my "hope" wasn't born with Obama. He's a talented leader who has succeeded in organizing a movement that is moving in the direction that my family has been going for generations, so I'm more than glad to help out.

          My hope was bequeathed to me as part of our family tradition of fighting back against each generation of bastards in power that goes way, way back. And, it's not just hope; it's almost a perverse pride in not only refusing to give up but also in marching each generation forward.

          We celebrate "fighting the good fight." I was brought up on stories like how my Great Grandmom impaled a Pinkerton goon's hand to the window sill with a meat fork when the creep tried to climb in their company house while Great Grandpop was down in the coal mine. (Yeah, rape was a union busting tactic, then.) Or, my Grandpop who threw a brick through Ford's showcase window during the first strike -- and got beaten to a pulp by scabs in the middle of the night for it -- but he didn't give up until they got the UAW.  Or my sister who volunteered after college to run into the CA fields with Chavez to give the Latino organizers some "cover" -- afterall, they couldn't shoot white, educated Anglo girls, at that point in time.

          This might seem depressing, but you see, we're proud of how we fought back against being starved as landless peasants in Ireland and worked to death as cogs in Corporate American mines and plants.  Some died, most survived, and every single child in my generation in our family went to college and became professionals, which has just given us new ways and means to be well, annoyingly active and hopeful.  

          My generation has continued the tradition of fighting the good fight in various ways throughout our adult lives - a politician, a labor lawyer, a couple of teachers, an artist -- protesting, writing, donating, union and political activism etc.  Sure the Bush years have been God awful, but we have a collective, familial memory of this not being a new fight. We have a historical sense of moving forward, with an ever expanding coalition of people, towards a better future.  

          So, my hope isn't new, it's just renewed listening to Obama.  And, it certainly isn't just sappy sentiment; I know all too well that this is class warfare -- it always was.  That's why I so dearly delight in the diverse crowds standing together, happily shouting, Yes, WE can. Will Obama get it perfectly right and get all of us all of the way there?  Naw, but he's giving the bastards one royal case of heartburn, and yes, we can work with him to make our generational contribution.

          Sorry for the long comment - I guess your wistfulness for some hope really touched something in me.

          Peace

          "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

          by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 07:47:45 PM PST

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          •  What an awesome family you have. (1+ / 0-)
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            We celebrate "fighting the good fight." I was brought up on stories like how my Great Grandmom impaled a Pinkerton goon's hand to the window sill with a meat fork when the creep tried to climb in their company house while Great Grandpop was down in the coal mine. (Yeah, rape was a union busting tactic, then.) Or, my Grandpop who threw a brick through Ford's showcase window during the first strike -- and got beaten to a pulp by scabs in the middle of the night for it -- but he didn't give up until they got the UAW.  Or my sister who volunteered after college to run into the CA fields with Chavez to give the Latino organizers some "cover" -- afterall, they couldn't shoot white, educated Anglo girls, at that point in time.

            "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

            by JaciCee on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:59:38 PM PST

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            •  I like your new sign line! :) Much pithier than (1+ / 0-)
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              my long post.  What did your other sig line say?  I don't speak French.

              ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

              Awesome family or just a bunch of bloody troublemakers and malcontents? It all depends on your point of view.  Can you imagine what a pedigree like that might evoke on Redstate? I'm giggling just imagining it.

              "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

              by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:54:19 PM PST

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              •  Awesome family. (0+ / 0-)

                Hands down.  Any time that any one is willing to step outside of that box and do what is right that is complete awesomeness.  And, it takes a lot of courage.

                "Rosa sat, so Martin could walk. Martin walked, so Obama could run. Obama is running, so our children can fly." -Author unknown

                by JaciCee on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 06:34:12 AM PST

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          •  eh... (2+ / 0-)
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            ...it is odd watching everyone be so happy.  And having taken a contrarian position in this thread, I'm unlikely to do much more than add another comment which just sits there.

            But...eh...I do have hope.  My hope though, is with the outsiders, the outliers, the damned and forgotten.  When everyone is cheering, and thinks they agree...I look to the edge of the circle, where it's colder and darker, because that's where my hope is.  That's where the people who need that hope and deserve my fight and anger are living.  

            Obama may give people a place for a generational contribution, but if it doesn't go a long way to acknowledge what is on the edges...really acknowledge it....then I'd be foolish to put my hope there.  I'm trans.  A good half my friends are missing things the system has burned away from them, in one fashion or another.  I think that is probably also true of OPOL, based on the "my story" diaries he posted, some time ago.  If you have the kind of life where you can contribute, and be happy, in the context we have...more power to you!  Truly.  I can't.  I need to stand with the powerless, because of the life I've had.

            Which may or may not make sense to you.  But you wrote such a nice comment, I had to write back.  

            ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

            by jessical on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 09:30:57 PM PST

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            •  {{{{{{hugs}}}}}}} (3+ / 0-)
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              Well, heck yeah, it must feel pretty damn sucky to see everyone dancing around saying "Yes, we can," especially after that Prop 8 poison pill on election day.

              I do believe that not only acceptance, but also inclusion will happen, though.  There was a gay couple on the train, this time.  I know, "not the same."  I know, it's not NOW! But, there will come a day, and for what it's worth, I wish it was yesterday for you, and your friends.

              How do I know?  My mother was born two years before women were allowed to vote, she remembers reading ICNNA (Irish Catholics Need Not Apply) in the want ads, and she's still alive.  Rosa wasn't allowed a seat on a bus, and now, Obama's President.  

              Year after year, more and more of us, who used to be at the edges of the circle, are forming a bigger circle. Some directly remember the chill; some raised children who were mainly "in" the circle, but they taught them to recognize that the pain they felt in other ways was the same pain from another source in others' eyes.

              You are not alone, and if you make it to Netroots, this year, I for one would be pleased as punch to buy you a warm mug of cocoa and talk about what might be done to drive the wing nuts even nuttier. :)

               

              "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

              by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 11:39:18 PM PST

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    •  Politics is not over... (6+ / 0-)

      when the election is done. Right now Obama has great approval ratings, but the opposition is just waiting for that to slip. Governing will require building coalitions, fending off attempts to undermine, being one step ahead of set-ups. Obama will have to make deals with people who disagree with him to get ANYthing positive done. I wish it was a Frank Capra world where the good guy politician just speaks the truth with passion and gets all the support he needs to make things right. Governing is hard and can be ugly. Add to that the fact that there is a substantial group of people who don't see the world the way we do and have hopes for Obama to bring about a different reality.

      I believe Obama when he says he wants to work for the vulnerable and make a better world. I just think that it is more complex and difficult to turn the ship that has been headed the wrong way for so long. He will need all of our support and help. He will need us to be a little more polically savvy so that we can see clearly how things get done and not accuse him of betrayal whenever his words or deeds do not match our highest ideals. We need to take a longer view.

      "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

      by your neighbor on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:37:10 PM PST

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      •  No (3+ / 0-)

        I'll collect another zero to respond.  What the hell.

        The left has plenty of room for both those who are supportive of "our guy" and those who are deeply distrustful of American power and the machinations of empire.  Being all about impression management, and some sort of united front...pretending that bad, repressive policy is ok because it is somehow expedient...is bullshit.   Lots of us will agree with that policy, and are, frankly, pretty center-right.  And more power to them!  Others of us will think that is vile, from principle.  Both groups are important parts of the democratic pile. One can look for radical honesty in government, critique that government for failing to provide it, and still vote for and financially support a more moderate coalition.

        ...j'ai découvert que tout le malheur des hommes vient d'une seule chose, qui est de ne savoir pas demeurer en repos dans une chambre.

        by jessical on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:56:13 PM PST

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        •  Agreed. We need the range and arguments. (0+ / 0-)

          Without our dreamers and purists, we could get so satisfied with a hard won status quo that we'd ignore others' needs or even better visions for human dignity and possibilities.

          "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

          by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 07:51:38 PM PST

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          •  Can I be a pragmatic idealist? (0+ / 0-)

            I don't say we should accept regressive policies. I just say that the complexity of politics makes it hard to judge what is really happening - we need to get all the information (or as much as we can) before we jump to condemnation. Perhaps a course of action that looks regressive at first results in the very outcomes that we support. Sometimes more can be accomplished by not calling people out and holding your cards close to your chest. I think Obama does this.

            "The eyes of the future are looking back at us and they are praying for us to see beyond our own time." - Terry Tempest Williams

            by your neighbor on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 07:18:45 AM PST

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      •  The question (1+ / 0-)
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        is not whether Obama wants to make a better world. The question is whether he will pursue policies that effectively get us there, or be too timid in confronting the status quo. We can disagree on how to get there. That's what politics is. With the back and forth of debate the a clash of ideas, we hope the best ideas will bubble to the top, and that Obama can be convinced to follow them. It takes courage on his part and on ours. I see no reason to fear or denigrate diversity here. Group think is our enemy, not debate or even vehement disagreement.

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        by barbwire on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:15:34 PM PST

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  •  Is Armegeddon Near? Two Liberals on the (2+ / 0-)
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    recommended list among all the conservatives here that worry so about the middle class and despise lower classes?

    Frightening I tell you.  Is there a shortage of winger tripe among the kossack regulars?

    Most unsettling.

    Obama must have set in motion forces that are beyond his control.

    Next thing you know people will be talking about doing for non-approved minorities who are too poor and foreign and insignificant to matter, like Native Americans fer instance.  

    People will get to thinking that we ought to empty the jails of people who have sinned by being poor and handicapped.

    People will stop staring at the sun and get serious about global warming.

    Kossacks will...

    Naw, just a passing scare.

    Not to worry.

    Pleasant interlude though for a despised liberal.

    Best,  Terry

  •  Recommended (3+ / 0-)
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    JaciCee, ravenwind, Lady Libertine

    Thank you for writing this. You put my thoughts into words much better then I could.

  •  Hope (4+ / 0-)
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    We have to have it, whether we are parents or not, but especially if we are.

    Obama will not do everything I want him to do, and he will do some things I don't want him to do.

    But we have to have hope.

    Especially, I have to have hope for my yeladim.

  •  as a total pragmatist (5+ / 0-)

    I found the diary to be spot on, but never once did I think OPOL wasn't hoping he would be wrong in the longterm, even as he pointed out the disappointments so far.

    Something about the Gaza situation has made me more pessimistic. When two of the world's strongest powers can't step up to the plate and work for peace against a small terrorist group, I have my doubts we'll get our domestic problems fixed without a lot of republican crap involved.  But if anyone can change this scenario, it's Barack Obama.

    They aren't clueless...they know EXACTLY what they're doing.

    by lisastar on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 06:22:09 PM PST

    •  "something about the gaza situation" (4+ / 0-)
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      has made me much more sober as well, lisastar.  It definitely brought me down off my high about the election and its prospects for change.  Still I have remained open to see what Obama and his will administration do.

      There have many great words, phrases, and sentiments that have come from Obama, and also from Hillary during her statement to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Today his oratory brought chills to my body and tears to my eyes.

      But we need to see the actions that go with those words and sentiments before we can truly believe and give our heart-felt consent for him to govern.

      Find your own voice--the personal is political.

      by In her own Voice on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 07:31:11 PM PST

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  •  If folks want to be "down" that's their right but (5+ / 0-)

    It sure doesn't dissuade me from feeling "up" at this historic moment culminating so much work and struggle (and going way back before the 2008 campaign for many of us).

    There's so much to be "up" about this week that makes it substantively better than the one 16 years ago the last time a Democrat was about to be inaugurated, from Holder testifying that "waterboarding is torture," to Obama's announcement this a.m. of the new "Organizing for America" nationwide organization, to hearing Senator Clinton last week embrace progressive Obama policies on Latin America that she had opposed in the primaries, to watching Rahm Emanuel on Charlie Rose explain the ways that Barack Obama is very different in governing method than Bill Clinton, to Obama's words today in Baltimore...

    For the American Revolution did not end when British guns fell silent. It was never something to be won only on a battlefield or fulfilled only in our founding documents. It was not simply a struggle to break free from empire and declare independence. The American Revolution was - and remains - an ongoing struggle "in the minds and hearts of the people" to live up to our founding creed.

    Starting now, let's take up in our own lives the work of perfecting our union.

    Let's build a government that is responsible to the people, and accept our own responsibilities as citizens to hold our government accountable...

    And I confess that seeing some folks "down" in fact brings me a happy happy joy joy sensation of schadenfraude and reminds me that we struggled on opposite sides of the primaries and I might feel as they do had things turned out differently, too. (That's not the case with OPOL, of course, who is so thoroughly likeable and even-headed and usually more inspirational.)

    And anyway I'm not sure that OPOL - who is generally "not too high, not too low" in tone - is really all that "down." I liken his diary today more to what happens with a lot of grooms a couple of days before the wedding, a kind of inner panic as the reality of the big change coming sinks in. Some actually leave the bride waiting at an empty altar. I'll wager that that's not going to happen in this case, though!

  •  I'm sorry, I have no national hope (4+ / 0-)
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    local hope, yes, maybe eve a tiny shred of regional hope. National, no. Sorry. I tried. I did, for a while. Now it's gone.

    For now, local hope is the only hope left. My neighbours, my family, my community and the other small communities nearby. That's about it. We'll feed each other, take care of each other. We'll do our best, and we'll muddle through.

    •  Local hope is great too, as long as it leads (2+ / 0-)
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      JaciCee, Bene Gesserit1

      to a sense of fulfillment and making the world a little better. Who says that all our deeds have to make a big difference on an international stage to be worthy and wonderful?

      "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him. Mark 12:17

      by bkamr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:17:55 PM PST

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  •  But but but.... Rick Warren! (2+ / 0-)
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    Sigh.

  •  Casino Royale on the Potomac. (3+ / 0-)
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    JaciCee, 4Freedom, In her own Voice

    It is my hope that my fears about Obama - stemming directly from his choices of including what I consider to be far to many republcians - is engaged in heavy-duty poker-playing and has a plan once he is sworn-in things the hand can be played.

    Or so I hope.

  •  This is the time to speak out (2+ / 0-)
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    JaciCee, Remain calm

    It doesn't mean we aren't giving Obama a chance.  It doesn't mean we don't have hope and that we aren't happy that finally, we'll be rid of neocons and will have someone in the White House who gives a damn about the people.

    But there is an important thing that I think some are missing.  The time to speak out loudly is now -- early in the game and before decisions are made.  It is much easier to influence a decision before it's made than it is to try to get someone to change a decision that has already been made.  

    The time to offer criticisms and disagreements is now, while we can still do something about it.

    Later, there will be times when we are fighting against Republicans and interest groups to push for certain policies and/or legislation, and we'll need to get strongly behind Obama even if we don't completely agree with his position.  But now, we need to influence the person we elected.

    The election is over.  During election season, there comes a time when you overlook everything else and get behind your candidate 100%.  But once that election is over, IMHO, you push as hard as you can for what you think is best for the people and the country.  

    I strongly disagree with any attempt at any kind of suppression of people speaking out and trying to influence Obama and pushing him toward better policy positions and political decisions.  

    "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

    by joanneleon on Sat Jan 17, 2009 at 08:44:26 PM PST

    •  Who is doing this?? (0+ / 0-)

      I strongly disagree with any attempt at any kind of suppression of people speaking out and trying to influence Obama and pushing him toward better policy positions and political decisions.  

      Who?  Where?

      "'Shit' is the tofu of cursing" --David Sedaris

      by LiberalVirginian on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 12:22:32 AM PST

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    •  Were you speaking out this Loudly (0+ / 0-)

      durning Bushes 8 year term?
      Obama has not got into office and already he is being labeled. Predictions are being made. But Bush get elected a second term. Help me understand this. I give benefit of doubt until the doubt is take away. I thought he gets 100 days before we start to complain.
      I think those 7% weren't voting for Obama but against McCain and Palin. So they could say I didn't vote for him. But Obama won. Give him his 100 days then Speak out loudly. It will still be early in the game.

      •  After 100 days (0+ / 0-)

        his cabinet choices will be made and other high level positions filled.  It will be too late to change any of that or have any influence at all on those choices.

        And yes, I was screaming out this loudly during Bush's term.  Are you kidding?  I was screaming out much more loudly and pushing back much more strongly.  I can't even believe you asked that question.

        There are a lot of people here who have been working for change for years now.  Have you?

        "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." --Samuel Johnson

        by joanneleon on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 01:41:36 PM PST

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  •  I'm hoping (3+ / 0-)
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    JaciCee, andrewj54, ObamaSongs

    that the events leading up to and including the inaugeration ceremony are so filled with light and love and 'energy' that the whole experience will be so profoundly moving for Obama, his wife and family, and the key members of his operative team that they won't dare to do anything but their very best for this country.

  •  I'm tired of being in the minority (6+ / 0-)

    So many on this site, the site that's supposed to be all about electing Democrats, don't seem to know how to be any other way.

    President-elect Barack Obama is riding a powerful wave of optimism into the White House, with Americans confident he can turn the economy around but prepared to give him years to deal with the crush of problems he faces starting Tuesday, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    I'm a strong progressive, I want to see real change, and I'll criticize and yell when I don't see it happning. I do not "worry so about the middle class and despise lower classes." I do activism  "to empty the jails of people who have sinned by being poor and handicapped." And I've been "serious about global warming" for a long time.  But right now I'm with the 79% of Americans who are  

    optimistic about the next four years under Mr. Obama, a level of good will for a new chief executive that exceeds that measured for any of the past five incoming presidents. And it cuts across party lines: 58 percent of the respondents who said they voted for Mr. Obama’s opponent in the general election, Senator John McCain of Arizona, said they were optimistic about the country in an Obama administration.

    And I'm not a Pollyanna, any more than are the rest of the 79%

    Most Americans said they did not expect real progress in improving the economy, reforming the health care system or ending the war in Iraq — three of the central promises of Mr. Obama’s campaign — for at least two years. The poll found that two-thirds of respondents think the recession will last two years or longer.

    So all the cynics, the fearful, and the negative nags might try to understand that NOT celebrating this historic week, enjoying what we accomplished on Nov. 4th and giving our new Democratic (NOTE: Democrats--what this site is supposed to be about electing) national leaders a chance to actually get into office won't
    fix any of the horrors that are extant on this globe.

    Or, maybe one of them really will be able to brag about the Nobel Peace Prize they're getting for fixing the miseries in Gaza while us "sheeple" were taking 3 or 4 days to praise the man we elected, and wallow in the good feeling of being in the majority f***ing finally!!!

    •  You touch the hot stove once, (1+ / 0-)
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      you touch it a dozen times.

      A lot of the 'negative nags' have seen progressive movements turn lax with the election of so called progressive leaders.

      So forgive us if we're a tad wary.  Most of us are celebrating, but shouting warnings at the same time.

      We don't vote for people or movements, we vote for issues.  And until those issues are resolved I won't come down from the barricades.

      "While there is a lower class I am in it; while there is a criminal element I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free" -Eugene V Debs

      by RevolutionRock on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 01:44:03 AM PST

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  •  Per dKos polling... (6+ / 0-)
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    askew, KMc, pat208, JaciCee, deePA, Wolf Of Aquarius

    91% of Democrats approve of the job Obama is doing, 7% don't.

    Funny how loud that 7% is, eh?

    "'Shit' is the tofu of cursing" --David Sedaris

    by LiberalVirginian on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 12:20:45 AM PST

    •  What percentage of people (1+ / 0-)
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      in your daily life would you characterize as alert, informed, thoughtful, and paying attention?

      Is it 91%?  Or closer to 7%?

      Men with guns maturing in age will always pay a shitty wage.--Belle & Sebastian

      by andrewj54 on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 12:37:27 AM PST

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    •  90%+/- liked Dubya on 9/14/2001 too (0+ / 0-)

      Was that because of his skills and beliefs or because we had been so traumatized by the shit that went down we were desperate for any leadership at all?

      Is the country in more trouble now than we were then? You betcha!

      I like to start with lower expectations and be pleasantly surprised.  However, when Democrats control all parts of government for the first time since 1994, I kinda get my hopes up.

      Then Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell over their mouths and I realize that Obama's gonna end up catering to these clowns rather than telling them when to jump and how high.

      So I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.

      What did you do with the cash Joe?

      by roguetrader2000 on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 04:10:15 AM PST

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  •  "Dear Diarist who is on the recommended list." (2+ / 0-)
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    pat208, Wolf Of Aquarius

    How very self-referential.

    Muphry's Law: if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written.

    by opendna on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 02:09:12 AM PST

  •  Those who remember Camelot... (1+ / 0-)
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    JaciCee

    and I am one, will not again invest emotional energy in a blanket, warm-fuzzy endorsement of a new president.  Once burned, twice wise.  Kennedy brought in the same kinds of people Obama is surrounding himself with, including conservative Republicans, military hawks, white shoe Harvard geniuses-- and we got the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam.  Yes, I'll support Obama and wish him the best, because if he does well, we do well.  But don't ask me to support him out of blind feel-goodness when he embraces people or policies that are contrary to the foundations of the Democratic Party.  Putting pretty wallpaper in a collapsing house will not shore it up.   Meanwhile, Hail to the Chief, on Tuesday.  

    To make the world safe for capitalism, we must first make capitalism safe for the world.

    by djohnutk on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 05:59:02 AM PST

  •  Lest we forget what teh suck REALLY is: (4+ / 0-)

    I am with you, diarist. I'm a fan of OPOL's diaries and an admirer of his laser-sharp focus on the outrages imposed upon us by the last Administration.

    But his diary, IMHO, enabled many others among us (including, also IMHO, a GOP fifth column whose only hope is to tear down the Obama Administration from day one) who trade only in petty, whiny, premature, preemptive, hopeless, unfounded and ungrounded ankle-biting.

    Let's all bookmark the Olbermann video. We will need to pull it out from time to time, when people get out of breath and hysterical about the latest Obama "outrage."

    With apologies to Crocodile Dundee, "That's not an outrage. THIS is an outrage."

    America, you have earned a new puppy.

    by pat208 on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 06:05:40 AM PST

    •  my critique of obama begins (0+ / 0-)

      on the morning of Jan 21st at 9 am EST.  before that, he can do whatever.

      i'm not hoping.  i'm just being the way i am which is to say, observant.

      this ain't no party.. this ain't no disco.. this ain't no foolin'around..

      by fernan47 on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 08:12:08 AM PST

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      •  As long as you save your strongest critiques... (0+ / 0-)

        ... for the assholes who got us into this hole in the first place, I've got no problem with that.

        America, you have earned a new puppy.

        by pat208 on Sun Jan 18, 2009 at 08:14:35 AM PST

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        •  hey, i'm pushing (0+ / 0-)

          against the 'he has failed before he has begun' meme.  my critique of the bushies is a given.  no real reason to keep that up on this site except to call for prosecution which doesn't need a diary on the list of atrocities.  as the question with the highest votes at change.org, we just need to keep repeating to dc, investigate and prosecute.

          this ain't no party.. this ain't no disco.. this ain't no foolin'around..

          by fernan47 on Mon Jan 19, 2009 at 05:50:51 AM PST

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  •  The plans to spend a trillion are being made (2+ / 0-)
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    JaciCee, 4Freedom

    California is about to stiff the disabled out of rent checks.  This is not the time to "wait and see" what happens.  No sale.

    Besides, it's fundamentally inconsistent with the PE's message of empowering the powerless so that they can demand change.

    Hats off to OPOL for reminding people that some things are unacceptable.

  •  The Lying Begins... (1+ / 0-)
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    I expected fresh fruit on my cereal.  This morning, I had none.

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