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So....let's see here....... Kirsten Gillebrand has a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT approval rating by the NRA and is a proud member of the Blue Dog Democrats...... and Markos declares what a great choice she is for the cause of progressives!

Why??

Because EITHER she will shift left once she starts representing all New Yorkers......

OR, she will face a primary challenge from somebody with better values.

Now let's see.  Just how logical is that?  She's a good choice because..... she's so bad, therefore she is bound to get better?  She's a good choice because..... she's so bad, therefore she is bound to get challenged in the next primary?

So here's the question:  Is Kirsten Gillebrand, as Markos suggests, so bad she is actually good?

Originally posted to daveinojai on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:16 PM PST.

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How bad is Kirsten Gillebrand as a choice for Senator?

8%5 votes
70%40 votes
21%12 votes

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  •  Friendly suggestion(s) (10+ / 0-)
    1. refer to her as Rep Gillebrand, rather than Kirsten, as a sign of respect.

    and, preferably

    1. delete and post your question in an open thread.
  •  So... (6+ / 0-)

    Kirsten Gillibrand diaries are the new I/P diaries?

    It seems like people are posting diaries like this simply for their pie value.

    "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

    by RonV on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:21:52 PM PST

  •  We are now seeing the difference (7+ / 0-)

    between being a minority party (obstructing) and a majority party (governing). This is a painful, but necessary learning experience. It will get a lot worse before it gets better.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:23:33 PM PST

  •  *Sigh* (7+ / 0-)

    Rep. (and soon-to-be Sen.) Gillibrand had a 70% ADA rating in 2008.  While not superb, it's leagues better than any New York Republican.

    She's only "conservative" by comparison with the rest of the (very liberal) New York Democratic caucus.  She's not conservative by any ordinary definition of the term.

    •  She has a 57% rating from the Irregular (2+ / 0-)
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      malharden, thethinveil

      Progressive and voted for FISA.   I think Caroline Kennedy would have been much better.  

      Soon to be Senator Gillibrand is apparently less progressive than Senator Clinton so we appear to be going backward.

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:11:56 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Forget liberal/moderate for a second (3+ / 0-)
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        RonV, StuckInGA, Earl3

        This has everything to do with upstate vs. downstate...New York has no major upstate representation in its state government.  All the major players come from the city...

        Paterson had to pick someone from north of Orange County because he would be seen as neglecting upstate...

        I think the mayor of Buffalo (Byron Brown) or Brian Higgins (House Rep from Buffalo) would be just as good or better, but Gillibrand is nowhere close to being a Republican

  •  I love one issue "voters." (4+ / 0-)
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    burrow owl, RonV, Andrew C White, DJ Rix

    I think I'll wait and see what Senator-elect Gillibrand does in the next two years.  Personally, from what I've read -- I'll take a representative that works her ass off listening to her constituents, exposes herself to vitriol and answers honestly, to someone who dodges fundamental questions or is focused on one issue.

    Write a diary next time -- or maybe not.

    You'll never have a quiet world till you knock the patriotism out of the human race. - G.B. Shaw, "Misalliance"

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:29:43 PM PST

    •  The correct term is Senator-designate (0+ / 0-)

      Normally there wouldn't be a Senate-elect now, but Al Franken falls in that category.

      "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is." - George W Bush

      by jfern on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:56:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Um... remember everyone's hero, Howard Dean? (10+ / 0-)

    (endorsed by the NRA eight times while he was Governor of Vermont)

    This is not what I thought I'd be when I grew up.

    by itzik shpitzik on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:30:56 PM PST

  •  Gillebrand may not be that bad (5+ / 0-)

    She supports marriage equality.  She has a strong pro-choice record and strong support from Emily's list.  She voted in 2007 in favor of withdrawing troops from Iraq. (link)  I can't say I am unhappy with this appointment at all.

    And another darling of the blogsophere and a personal hero of mine also had an A rating from the NRA and endorsed by them in his runs for state-wide office: Governor Howard Dean, MD.

  •  It's called 'Plan 9' /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    burrow owl

    If violence is the answer, the question must be ridiculous.

    by hhex65 on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:38:03 PM PST

  •  Kos has had something stuck up his ass over (0+ / 0-)

    this seat for a long time.  Plenty of better choices for Paterson to make.  Cash ready democrats that either had a war chest or able to raise TONS of cash.  

    Since Gillibrand was PULLED from the House, now we get a frappin special election.  Woo hoo.  What a good choice.  In a damn republican district.  We just lost a frappin seat.

    "Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it or hump it, piss on it and walk away."

    by winter outhouse on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 07:39:20 PM PST

    •  Don't speak too soon. (1+ / 0-)
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      burrow owl

      "We just lost a frappin seat."

      So far, the repubs planning to run are a bunch of back-benchers and in most cases, proven losers. Treadwell, Faso, Wager. Losers all. Tedisco is a nut-job with little real name recognition.
      Betty Little could stand a chance, but she's an unknown for most parts of this district. And she doesn't have the $$ to mount a real campaign.

      The dems aren't in real good shape, either, but they could likely raise tons of cash and be really competitive in the six weeks they have to run.

      As a Dem committee person in her district, I should be able to keep folks posted on how this is playing out over the next few weeks.

      "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

      by RonV on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:03:26 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  New York is really two states (6+ / 0-)

    downstate (NYC, its inner suburbs, and Long Island) and upstate (the rest of the state).

    This is a rundown of the major state and federal officials elected from New York:

    Gov. David Paterson (Manhattan--downstate)
    Lt. Gov. Malcolm Smith (Queens--downstate)
    Atty. Gen. Andrew Cuomo (Queens--downstate)
    Assembly Leader Sheldon Silver (Manhattan--downstate)
    US Sen. Chuck Schumer (Brooklyn--downstate)
    Deputy Majority Leader, State Senator Jeffrey Klein (Bronx--downstate)

    Notice something? All the levers of power in the state reside in New York City.  Despite NY being a very Democratic state, the moment Dems forget that Republicans can win, one will pop up and win.

    Gillibrand had to be a moderate in her district because it is a moderate/conservative district.  Now that she is in the Senate, she'll move a little bit left to compensate.

    I think it's good that New York has one upstate senator and one downstate senator...Byron Brown would be a better pick but Gillibrand is just fine.  She'll hold the seat for a long time.

    •  Correction. (3+ / 0-)
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      burrow owl, Mariken, Deejay Lyn

      Malcolm Smith is the majority leader of the NYS Senate. NY currently does not have a Lt. Governor.

      But your point is well made.

      As a resident of the Adirondacks, I'm glad to finally have someone in a top tier position who is familiar with our problems and issues.

      "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

      by RonV on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:07:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Lots of good solid progressive Democrats (4+ / 0-)
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    RonV, bobtmn, The Truffle, Deejay Lyn

    believe in The Bill of Rights.

    All 10 of them.

    Peace,

    Andrew
    p.s. oh yes... this isn't a diary. It's a poor excuse for a comment that might show up about 2/3's of the way down a 3am open thread... you might give that a try instead

    former Internet Outreach Coordinator for Gillibrand '06

    by Andrew C White on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:04:12 PM PST

    •  Well, Mr. Coordinator, (0+ / 0-)

      I don't really buy your idea of progressive....

      nor your idea of Peace....

      so your p.s. is not too credible either....

      •  Andrew... (1+ / 0-)
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        Andrew C White

        (And yes, I can refer to him by his first name) is a well respected veteran of this site who has earned his political chops in more ways than you can likely imagine.

        His credibility is beyond reproach. Yours? Not so much.

        Oh, and welcome to Dailykos. Perhaps you might consider being a bit less of a prick by way of introduction.

        "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

        by RonV on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:25:30 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm sure he has plenty of chops (0+ / 0-)

          but people who go with the NRA 100% of the time just don't qualify as progressive in my book.

          Oh, and thank you so much for the warm and friendly welcome.

          •  You're welcome. (0+ / 0-)

            You've earned every word of it.

            "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

            by RonV on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:52:41 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  What about Howard Dean ? He had (0+ / 0-)

            the same rating from the NRA for 8 years?

            Why are we judging her solely on gun rights anyway? It is not going to be a huge issue in New York.It's the economy.

            Sort of wish you would take a look at her pro-choice stance and the fact that she did a lot of pro bono work as a lawyer for abused women.

            I don't hear anything about that here.

      •  ok (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        RonV

        Have a nice day.

        Peace,

        Andrew

        former Internet Outreach Coordinator for Gillibrand '06

        by Andrew C White on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:31:06 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Yo, Andrew, help me out (1+ / 0-)
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      Andrew C White

      There are a bunch of people on my diary who don't even live in NY, know nothing about Kirsten and what she did for us Dems in the 20th, and somehow think they're qualified to pass judgement on her before she's even served a day in the Senate.

      •  I'm running into (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        burrow owl, RonV, Earl3, Deejay Lyn

        a lot of that. It has been a tiring day. I think people are so used to hyperventilating about the real problems we've had with Republicans the last few years that it is second nature to see disaster lurking around every corner. Kinda like a post-traumatic syndrome of some sort.

        I would suggest to people that they give her a chance and if in 2 years they think she is a horrible Senator then they should support a primary challenger to her.

        If in 2 years they think she is a great Senator then they should support her against any primary challengers.

        If in 2 years they think she is a perfectly fine Democratic Senator from the Great State of New York but exactly their perfect vision of the most Perfectest Senator you ever could or would desire in your heart... then I think they'l be like 99.999% of other Democrats that will be perfectly happy with Gov. Paterson's pick and will vote overwhelmingly to re-elect her for another 2 years.

        All I ask is that folks relax and give her a chance. I am perfectly confident that she will satisfy most all reasonable people and that she will be re-elected by a solid margin in 2 years and then again 2 years after that and then again 6 years after that.

        Peace,

        Andrew

        former Internet Outreach Coordinator for Gillibrand '06

        by Andrew C White on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:30:23 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  She'll be o.k. (3+ / 0-)
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    burrow owl, RonV, Earl3

    Gun legislation is a minor point in the senate. Balanced budget is a non issue. The NRA won't endorse her in '10. She can't afford to piss off downstate Democrats & she knows it.

    "Only poets know how many poems end up as pies."

    by DJ Rix on Fri Jan 23, 2009 at 08:11:33 PM PST

  •  Howard Dean had a 100% rating from NRA (0+ / 0-)

    -- for eight straight years..

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