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From CNN, two quotes from two stubborn, ignorant assholes who are
STILL on the wrong side of this argument:

Frankly, federal funding of embryonic stem-cell research can bring on embryo harvesting, perhaps even human cloning that occurs," Eric Cantor said. "We don't want that. That shouldn't be done. That's wrong."

Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, said the Bush policy imposed ethical limits on science.
"My basic tenet here is I don't think we should create life to enhance life and to do research and so forth," Shelby said. "I know that people argue there are other ways. I think we should continue our biomedical research everywhere we can, but we should have some ethics about it."

In the amount of time that George W. Bush had strangled funding for embryonic stem cell research, we could have found cures for debilitating illnesses such as Parkinsons, founded treatments for everything from alzheimers, cancers and other maladies, and possibly have been on our way toward creating limbs for those war veterans that have come home from Bush's war without them.

It's mind-boggling the advances we would have seen in the past eight years had funding been made a available and strains of available embryos not been essentially "outlawed."

George Bush and these narrow-minded, wrong-on-every-count-group-of-lock-step-assholes have as much blood on their hands in their obstruction of this measure as they've had with the Iraq war. The thing is about this - we KNOW what the potential has been here. Squashing it due to the religious beliefs of a few is truly criminal.

Countless families would not have had to see a loved one go so soon.

Countless parents could have held their sick children a little bit longer.

Countless friends would not have had to have seen their close friends pass away because the cure or treatment for their diseases were a decade away when they could have been right now.

Embryo farms. Cloning. Nice scare tactics from people who do nothing but that. I am forever amazed at the brazen ignorance of this small minority of simple-minded people. While I do not hope ill will on anyone, it's likely someday soon many of them may find themselves facing a situation that could have been better and less emotionally or physically painful had they approved funding for this. It is, sadly, the only time the stubborn learn when they are wrong. It's ashame it ALWAYS comes too late for the rest of us.

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Originally posted to VerbalPaintball on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 03:59 AM PDT.

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  •  Of course, it may just be co-incidence (5+ / 0-)
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    tobendaro, OHdog, DWG, mofembot, IreGyre

    that the brokerage company that bankrolled the Bushes has an interest in promoting a competitive European program.

    When you consider that the basic Republican strategy is to promote one enterprise by keeping the competition out, it seems not unreasonable to think that the religious sensibilities that are being taken into consideration are just a smoke screen.

    We have a long history of government regulation being used to provide special advantage.  The airlines, for example, when they were regulated, were provided with limited monopolies (service corridors) in exchange for meeting safety and service standards.

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:13:59 AM PDT

  •  Bush (6+ / 0-)

    I'll always recall how that imbecile spent a month clearing brush in Texas "ruminating" on his stem cell decision in Aug. 2001 while the government was asleep at the switch as the 9/11 plot unfolded.

    •  Thank you. (4+ / 0-)
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      Not many remember that the earth-shaking issue preoccupying Junior in the run-up to the attacks was how to prevent Americans from receiving the benefits of stem-cell research.

      Of course, after returning from Crawford, he had to go on live, primetime TV to somberly announce the results of his deep meditations.  Insult to injury plus injury to come.

      grumble grumble mutter mutter

      by Crashing Vor on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:49:27 AM PDT

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  •  Of course they obscured the facts (0+ / 0-)

    The religious right is too important to their election hopes not to engage in flagrant dishonesty in the pursuit of appeasement.

    An end to the Bush nightmare is only the first step in rebuilding America.

    by DWG on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:41:14 AM PDT

  •  While I agree with funding embryonic stem (0+ / 0-)

    cell research, so far there has been no evidence of  successful use of these cells to do anything.

    OTH adult stem cells are currently being used around the world to actually treat disease, illnesses and injuries.

    US News and World Report had the following article

    Why Embryonic Stem Cells Are Obsolete
    March 04, 2009 11:52 AM ET | Bernadine Healy, M.D.

    Even as the future of embryonic stem cells has dimmed, adult stem cell research has scored major wins evident just in the past few months. These advances involve human stem cells that are not derived from human embryos. In fact, adult stem cells, which occur in small quantities in organs throughout the body for natural growth and repair, have become stars despite great skepticism early on.

    I would hate to see needed funds be dissipated from an area that has shown success  whereas embryonic is still years away from any possibility of success.

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by auapplemac on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 04:47:45 AM PDT

    •  Would you like pie with that stem cell? (1+ / 0-)
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      Basic research always takes some time before it is known what the results will be. And right now the US is nearly a decade in arrears.

      The darkest hour is just before the dawn. Persevere.

      by OHdog on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:02:43 AM PDT

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    •  Consider the source please (3+ / 0-)
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      Bernadine Healy was a Republican candidate for the US Senate in 1994.  She lost in the primary to Mike DeWine in ohio.

      She was also deputy director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy for the Reagan administration and she served in Dubya's administration as an advisor on bio-terrorism on the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology.

      She was also involved in some astroturf group funded by phillip Morris to criticize scientific research that ran counter to the corporate's best interests.

      I'd say that anything she says should be taken with a Dead Sea's worth of salt.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 05:15:34 AM PDT

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    •  It's like, well Duh!! (2+ / 0-)
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      What else do you expect if you ban funding for ES research? That any advances will take place??

      That argument is just about on par with the guy who shot his parents and then begged for mercy because he was an orphan . . .

    •  You are wrong! (0+ / 0-)

      My son is paraplegic. He's been invited to participate in (documented successful) stem cell efforts in three other countries. The problem is, since the guy who hit him wasn't insured, he'd lose his job, come back to no rehab support (since insurance companies don't give rehab to paraplegics since by definition they can't improve) and risk being excluded from future insurance coverage.

      The closest (perhaps months away) use of embryonic stem cells will by Type 1 (juvenile) diabetes, where the path to success is already there. Also already demonstrated is efficacy in remediating damage after heart attacks (infarctions.)

      Don't believe the reporters in US News!~

      •  I'll say it AGAIN - I'm not against embryonic (0+ / 0-)


        My only concern is that research and existing treatments using adult stem cells should not be short changed.

        Also several stem cell experts today on different news interviews said that private research with embryonic cells in this county is very close to the same level of that being done overseas. They had private funding which allowed they to use ESC other than the lines Bush allowed.

        It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

        by auapplemac on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 08:58:39 PM PDT

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  •  Cantor's position is contrary (0+ / 0-)

    to the Orthodox Jewish position on this issue. Here is what America's largest group of Orthodox rabbis say:

    Our Torah tradition places great value upon human life; we are taught in the opening chapters of Genesis that each human was created in G-d's very image. The potential to save and heal human lives is an integral part of valuing human life from the traditional Jewish perspective. Moreover, our rabbinic authorities inform us that an isolated fertilized egg does not enjoy the full status of person-hood and its attendant protections. Thus, if embryonic stem cell research can help us preserve and heal humans with greater success, and does not require or encourage the destruction of life in the process, it ought to be pursued.

    Note that this is a pro-life group saying this!

  •  Exactly the opposite! Cantor is wrong. (2+ / 0-)
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    Right now there are dozens of private firms doing entrepreneurial stem cell research, in anticipation of high profits (some overseas.) At one point I did a search of the CEOs and all but one were high donors--to Republicans!

    Without federal funding there is no federal oversight and the possibility of some scam artist (like "Octo-mom's IVF Doctor") setting up a for-profit embryo mill is huge.

    No doubt about it; the Republicans use general ignorance on the topic to get wedge voters, not common sense. With federal funding comes transparency, hearings and regulations.

  •  Except for (0+ / 0-)

    a small coterie of true believers, I really think most people are sick and tired of caring about what the republican party thinks. I honestly believe we've won this battle.    
       Except for your diary, I haven't heard what Kantor has to say about Stem Cell Reseach, but I have heard him talk about the economy and I'm amazed. Where the hell has Kantor been for the past eight years? He picks now to be a genius on what will straighten out the economy? His party gave George Bush a blank check for eight long, costly years. Of course, now that a democrat/liberal occupies the White House-all of a sudden the republicans are wizards at everything! What phonies-what hypocrites. And people are beginning to realize that!

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 06:04:07 AM PDT

  •  Lots of "Concern" in Nebraska (0+ / 0-)

    While the medical researchers at the University of Ne. Medical School are rejoicing, there is notable "concern" spoken of in Ne.'s newspapers about the use of fetal stem cells.  I haven't seen any reaction from the Medical Schools, but am going to watch closely to see how much "concern" there really is.  Some of the University's Regents are against the use of fetal stem cells, and it is going to be interesting to see how much sway they have.

    "Man's life's a vapor Full of woe. He cuts a caper, Down he goes. Down de down de down he goes.

    by JFinNe on Mon Mar 09, 2009 at 06:12:28 AM PDT

  •  This research WILL happen, the only question is (1+ / 0-)
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    will it happen to prosper America or will we let South Korea have this new business?

    Since stem cells are the future of medicine, better we develop it with ethics in mind, as best we can.

    Science always goes forward.
    The only consequence of not doing this is missing out on a new economic driver.

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