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This will not be as lengthy nor as well researched as I would truly like because, as the title implies, I'm BUSY.

But I am sick to death of the pigeon-holing by the Conservative movement when it comes to Women's Rights, and Women's sensibilities.

Recent case in point:

Washing machines as not only a suggested 'liberating' vehicle, but one worthy of legitimate discussion?! Did I miss a fucking memo? I'm so offended I hardly know where to begin, but I'll leave it to my like-minded 'Liberated' sisters to take this one to the next step.

I'll take on the other argument of Kathryn Lopez. Does she have daughters, I wonder?

I am unquestionably anti-abortion. Meaning, I could not personally have one. (Though I honestly admit I do not know how I would feel about a vehemently unwanted pregnancy--as in from rape or incest-- because I have not experienced that.) But I believe strongly, both from my own sensibilities and from research facts, that Abstinence-only Ed DOES NOT WORK.

Let the Palin family be the highly publicized evidence of that, whether they like it or not.

It is only the Pro-Choice movement that has provided policy and methodology to PREVENT unwanted pregnancy and to my mind, as the mother of a teenage girl, that is a no-brainer. I have yet to read/hear a single 'Pro-Life' methodology that strategizes how to effectively reduce the rate of unwanted teenage pregnancies. And let's face it, those are the abortions we're all focusing on.

Yes, as a matter of civil rights/libertarian principle I am against any body of Legislation or Executive Power dictating to me, or my daughter, what we can or cannot do with our own bodies. And yes, I have conflicted feelings about whether or not my daughter might be required, under law, to advise me of an intended abortion. I freely admit I'd like to know. She doesn't tell me everything. There are all kinds of sticky wickets in this issue.

But ultimately, I recognize there are daughters whose parents may not be as supportive as I. Or may even have been abusive. If I must sacrifice my right to know of my own daughter's decision to protect those other daughters, then so be it. I am part of a society, not an island unto that of my own making; as in, legislation that benefits me and those who think like me alone. I support those daughters whose choices aren't necessarily supported by their parents, no matter how 'loving' they may be.

Know that there are vocal and loud 'Womb to Tomb" advocates out there who understand that protection of life extends so much further beyond the polarizing issue of abortion as defined by the Right: www.sojo.net

Lend your support. Share with your contacts that Pro-Choice is not tantamount to Pro-Abortion. So far, 'Pro-Life' has a monopoly on that view. Let's not let that continue.

Originally posted to ktward on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:40 PM PDT.

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  •  Washing machines? (9+ / 0-)

    Please give us that link, I want to see their idiocy up close!  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:42:03 PM PDT

  •  pro-lifers are hypocrites (14+ / 0-)

    They talk big shit about abortion but when they are asked for solutions to the problem its the typical conservative "no comment".

    Barack Obama: A man after my own heart.

    by rexymeteorite on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:42:56 PM PDT

  •  Very well put; thank for taking time to (8+ / 0-)

    post this diary.  Please add a "tip jar" so I can give you some tip mojo.

    A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else. John Burroughs

    by Amber6541 on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:44:39 PM PDT

  •  She might not tell you (8+ / 0-)

    but you might guess anyway.  I remember when my favorite cousin had an unintended pregnancy in her senior year of high school.  She cried and cried.  She moped and moped.  She dragged around the house looking trashed, for weeks.  Finally her mom asked,

    "Honey, PLEASE tell me what's wrong?  It's not something stupid is it?  Like .... maybe you're pregnant?"  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:45:00 PM PDT

  •  Uhm ... Tip Jar? (31+ / 0-)

    This is a good thing, apparently. Let me soak it up.

    Smart Government: 01.20.09 myth became reality. Looking better. -5.50 -4.51

    by ktward on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 02:45:39 PM PDT

  •  It's Lopez, (5+ / 0-)

    she's friggin nutts. And a liar.

    The Vatican, needless to say, opposed the Obama administration’s embryo-destroying move. And as at least one member of Congress correctly noted, the Vatican’s is the more authentically feminist position. Besides the lives we weren’t ending under the Bush policy, there are the women we were working not to exploit. Embryonic-stem-cell research requires the creation of embryos in order to conduct the research. This requires women’s eggs. And, like the egg-donors-wanted ads I see on New York City-area commuter trains, that opens a whole new area of ethical concerns (not to mention fertility dangers) that we’ve not openly debated.

    But then she is an editor at NRO so the nutts and liar are a given.

    I won't even go into my ex church. They gave up the right to preach about morality a long time ago.

  •  You hit the nail on the head (9+ / 0-)

    in your post.  The right wing does not want to prevent unwanted pregnancy, nor reduce the number of abortions.  If they did truly want this, they would support policy that actively seeks to do so.  They want abortion as a social issue that their base and other like minded religious folk can rally behind so that they won't lose the reason to use pictures and propaganda of dead babies.  

    This is the most  sad and hypocritical of all their many hypocrisies and I wish someone could successfully call them out on it.  

  •  Point is ... (4+ / 0-)

    ... as I'm hoping you all gleaned from my diary, is that there are vocal Christian sources out there who genuinely understand the abortion crisis and ideological dilemma that are not megaphones for the Christian Right. I, personally, am not a Christian; I am a UU. But like it or not, we are bucking a Christian hierarchy, as it were. Lend your support, please, to those Christians who understand that Abortion Reduction is worthwhile. It's the only way to, forgive the trite euphemism, fight fire with fire.

    Smart Government: 01.20.09 myth became reality. Looking better. -5.50 -4.51

    by ktward on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:01:49 PM PDT

  •  Well Amen sister or (5+ / 0-)

    whatever joyous refrain you want to use. As the mother of a teenage son, I am grateful that the education at his school is NOT abstinence only, but fully comprehensive. We would have done our own comprehensive education in our home anyway and still discuss our position and beliefs, but I know full well how many families would not. And while families can opt out of the comprehensive education at our school, not many do.

    I'm so sick of the moralizing of people who don't want preventative information provided , oppose the reality of people having to make choices resulting from that ignorance, are conspicuously absent when it comes to adoption, and down right obstructionist when it comes to social programs to help young parents (primarily but not exclusively mothers).

    1.20.09: The end of an error; the beginning of an era

    by Vita Brevis on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:04:35 PM PDT

  •  They aren't Pro-Life (12+ / 0-)

    they are Forced Birth Fanatics!

    We still have a long way to go until we become equal with our male counterparts...

    When Jesus comes back, he is going to look at what is taught in many churches and say "Dude, that is SO NOT what I meant"

    by Laurie Gator on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:09:20 PM PDT

  •  Great diary (9+ / 0-)

    Let's face it... abortion is a complex issue, which is exactly why I believe each woman has to make the choice for herself.

    Sex education, on the other hand, is a fairly simple issue.  I've never understood how parents could object.  If kids aren't taught the truth about sex and their bodies, they just make stuff up.

    First guy I had sex with told me you can't get pregnant the first time.  Luckily, I wasn't that stupid.

    -6.88, -8.10... Is that the Delta quadrant?

    by wide eyed lib on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:10:21 PM PDT

    •  A great way to summarize. (1+ / 0-)
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      Abortion, as you stated so simply and straight to the heart of the matter, is complex. This is the fault I find with the Right, in that they present this issue as deceptively black and white. Good or evil. Right or wrong. And yet, they support no prevention policies, other than abstinence-only which has by all measures and statistics failed miserably. In my ex's wishful Fatherly mind I'm sure he hopes his daughter will remain a virgin well after the age of 40, or marriage, whichever comes first. But that's not even close to reality. This is where we can start speaking OVER the Right's penchant for Fantasyland: they have NO REALITY in which to support their ideology in this instance. We must exploit this chink in their armor.

      Smart Government: 01.20.09 myth became reality. Looking better. -5.50 -4.51

      by ktward on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 05:04:08 PM PDT

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  •  Holy Moses (3+ / 0-)
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    Can K-Lo write a sentence without getting at least one thing wrong? Two things stood out:

    1. Imaginary Hillary: aka Ramesh Ponnuru? Who do you think you're kidding?

    President Obama does not share the wisdom of our imaginary Hillary Ramesh Ponnuru, who looked for common ground and reached out to the majority of the public that favors waiting periods, consent and notification requirements, and other restrictions.

    Fixed!

    1. "the Vatican’s is the more authentically feminist position." Which, translated from Wingnut, means, "You may now stop reading this 'article.'"

    Jesus Tapdancing Christ. Do any of these people have frontal lobes?

  •  I'm tickled to death... (3+ / 0-)

    ... by your responses, but I also recognize I'm preaching to the [beautiful] choir. Our Obama has the toughest challenges to face, let's take at least some of the wind out of the sails of those who will run against Dems in 2010 and 2012. Let's unleash the power of Kos which we know to be legit. WORK for Abortion Reduction. Publicize it. Comment on it wherever you're registered. Let's take it off the Right's agenda because they don't have a leg to stand on.

    Smart Government: 01.20.09 myth became reality. Looking better. -5.50 -4.51

    by ktward on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:18:59 PM PDT

  •  Thank you for (3+ / 0-)
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    putting 'Pro-Life" in quotes, as it were. I like to think that we're all pro-life (and by we, I mean Progressives - republicans are only "pro-life" until you're born), so the labelling of the Anti-Choice movement as "Pro-Life" really chaps my hide.

    Nicely done.

    [-6.25, -5.59] ♪♫ I feel it in my fingertips... It's pulling at my skin...

    by Phil N DeBlanc on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:22:06 PM PDT

    •  Amen. (1+ / 0-)
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      I used the term 'Pro-Life' only in that it is more recognizable in distinction from Pro-Choice, but facts bear out it is Anti-Choice, not 'Pro-life'. My Conservative friends like to use the 'P-L' moniker as much as I like to play with their heads with the Anti-Choice truth of it. Point is, to effectively address the issue, we all have to come to terms with the facts in some way. Which is why, as a non-Christian, I like to use www.sojo.net as a resource: it's difficult for self-labeled Christians to dismiss immediately out of hand.

      Smart Government: 01.20.09 myth became reality. Looking better. -5.50 -4.51

      by ktward on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:42:35 PM PDT

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  •  I'd like to know, too (5+ / 0-)

    and I think my daughters would tell me, but if not knowing is the price I have to pay to keep her from doing something dangerous and stupid...so be it.

    ...we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.
    -- Pres. Barack H. Obama, Jan. 20, 2009

    by davewill on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:34:57 PM PDT

    •  I love hearing from parents (1+ / 0-)
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      who are okay with not being notified.  I don't have any children myself, and occasionally I hear from an anti-abortion person, "Oh, you'd feel differently if you had kids."

      No, I don't think I would.

      -6.88, -8.10... Is that the Delta quadrant?

      by wide eyed lib on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:43:20 PM PDT

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      •  Wow! (4+ / 0-)
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        You're one of those mystical open-minded non-parents who doesn't believe they have the answer to every parental conundrum! May I bow? Kiss your ring or something?

        I kid. Sorry. Point is, we don't often know what we'll do as parents before we're tested. There are, indeed, choices to be made. But as I argue with my Conservative friends who believe differently--'the individual always trumps the whole'--when it comes to legislation that affects everyone, we must look beyond our own perceived parental inadequacies. In a perfect world, my 17 yo daughter would tell me, "I'm going to have sex with my boyfriend that I love tonight. Any thoughts?" In the imperfect world that I live in, I find out--3 weeks later-- that she had sex with the boyfriend I know and she loves and, oops!, the condom broke but she right away went to the pharmacist and got the 'Plan B' pill. Hence, I'm not a Grandma before my time, because she KNEW about condoms and their fallibility, and she KNEW about Plan B. She also knew about my hope that she would wait until she was in love and felt safe. She did. And all the other education helped her when things didn't turn out exactly as planned.

        This is the very essence of parenthood.

        Smart Government: 01.20.09 myth became reality. Looking better. -5.50 -4.51

        by ktward on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 03:58:58 PM PDT

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        •  Ha! I should have said... (2+ / 0-)
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          I hope that I wouldn't support parental notification laws if I were a parent.  Because you're right, I have no way of knowing how I would actually feel.

          The best thing my parents ever did for me was give me the information and the confidence to make good decisions.    

          Your daughter sounds like she has a great head on her shoulders.

          -6.88, -8.10... Is that the Delta quadrant?

          by wide eyed lib on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:40:03 PM PDT

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      •  Okay is a bit strong, but I can (2+ / 0-)
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        recognize a necessity when I fall over one. All you have to do see the statistics on runaways, and count the stories about girls abandoning their newborns on prom night to know that teens will do stupid stuff rather than come clean.

        Putting the barrier of parental notification in the way of them getting professional help is just putting your head in the sand.

        ...we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals.
        -- Pres. Barack H. Obama, Jan. 20, 2009

        by davewill on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:46:11 PM PDT

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  •  Pope prediction in 1968 (2+ / 0-)
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    A liked that the pope predicted that people would be having a lot of sex if birth control became available.    As a 17 year old in 1968, I was well aware that effective birth control already existed.

    That didn't help me as much as I thought it should tho.  I had to wait a couple more years before entering the Land of Plenty.

    The Pope is wrong though about how Birth Control would lead to selfish behavior.  It was really Galileo running around telling people that the Sun did not orbit the Earth.    That totally knocked man and God down a few pegs and led to the eventual collapse of Bear Stearns.

    Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

    by bobtmn on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:39:24 PM PDT

  •  At least the recent Taliban statement was (1+ / 0-)
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    closer to true goals.  They claim to want to "protect" their women by denying education to girls so they will be forced to stay at home where they won't be "exploited" workers for others. Hah!

    Our own talibangelists lie that forced pregnancy is a concern for "life." There is ZERO concern for the life of females in their equation.  We are too stupid to make our own healthcare decisions.

    The civil law bias starts showing when the teen who got pregnant without consent, cannot get UNpregnant without consent.  Yet, if they marry the schlub who got them pregnant they are an instant "adult" who can decide to abort without telling parents.

    They ignore the women KILLED by their impregnator either because they refuse to abort, or refuse to carry to term. I'm for woman's right to self defense -- whether from actual pregnancy risks or the medieval beliefs of others about her pregnancy. HER "right to life" trumps everyone else's opinions.

    Yes, even for my daughters who I tried to arm with all the moral, legal, emotional, financial and scientific facts -- before they met any predatory sperm donors. Phew, I got lucky and they made best choices.  Truth and science are best protections.

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Mon Mar 16, 2009 at 04:40:50 PM PDT

  •  Notice how these people use fiction (1+ / 0-)
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    ktward

    to illustrate their point. A Jennifer Aniston movie???

    Then of course there is the great prophet Ayn Rand and her bible, Atlas Shrugged, which illustrates what must happen if the wealthy are taxed more.

    And, of course, Father Knows Best and Ozzie & Harriet were documentaries, not sitcoms, of how perfect American life is when Republicans are in charge.

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