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Today's big news is going to be about the bailout of the automakers.

WASHINGTON — Neither General Motors nor Chrysler submitted acceptable plans to receive more federal bailout money, the Obama administration said as it set the stage for a crisis in Detroit that would dramatically reshape the nation's auto industry.

The White House pushed out GM's chairman and directed Chrysler to move quickly to forge a partnership with Fiat if it expects to receive additional government assistance.

I find it interesting that, of the big 3, only GM's CEO is being asked to step down. GM is the only one of the three that's working very publicly on an electric car. It's probably only a coincidence, but it's a very disturbing coincidence.

Does anyone know of any government programs to fund development of alternative-fuel vehicles? Are "The Big 3" being pushed to increase mileage standards, develop hybrids, or develop electric cars as a condition of any "bail out"?

It's time to shit or get off the pot on this.

Originally posted to Timbuk3 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 05:08 AM PDT.

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  •  Tips, comments? (0+ / 0-)

    When are we going to get serious about not sending money to the Saudis?

    "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

    by Timbuk3 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 05:09:04 AM PDT

  •  Ford is working on a full electric car (4+ / 0-)
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    Timbuk3, Roger Fox, JeffW, soms

    based on the Focus, due next year I think.  Range of about 120 miles, recharge from standard 110v outlet, or quicker from a 220v.  Nice.  

    Fortunately, treatment will be relatively inexpensive, since you have the generic form of the disease - the New Yorker

    by Alan Arizona on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 05:12:55 AM PDT

  •  Ah, now Obama is a puppet for Big Oil... (5+ / 0-)
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    boran2, Roger Fox, dlh77489, soms, beth2008

    Yesterday, someone here compared him to George W. Bush.  

    What a joke.

    President Obama, are aliens real?

    by David Kroning on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 05:15:59 AM PDT

    •  That's not what I said (0+ / 0-)

      How do you reach that conclusion based on "It's probably only a coincidence"?

      I'm less concerned about Obama than I am about us.

      We're the people who should be demanding it.

      "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

      by Timbuk3 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 05:49:46 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I see what you're doing there... (1+ / 0-)
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        soms

        President Obama, are aliens real?

        by David Kroning on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 06:04:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  You did say... (3+ / 0-)
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        Roger Fox, soms, David Kroning

        ...that it's a very disturbing coincidence.  What does that mean?

        Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

        by boran2 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 06:35:12 AM PDT

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        •  Inferring "roll eyes" something is ... U know... (1+ / 0-)
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          fishy....

          GM put fish in their electric cars batteries, yeah thats it, electric ells powering American Muscle Cars like the Chevy Volt....

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 12:29:47 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Again, how does "very disturbing coincidence" (0+ / 0-)

          ...equate to "Obama is a puppet for Big Oil"?

          The knee-jerk defensiveness this diary generated surprised me.

          Why did the CEO of GM get fired, but not any of the CEOs of the big banking companies? AIG?

          Well, that's a good question, and it's notable that no one mentioned it here, but it's beside the point.

          Not one person posted a reply with details about government support of alternative energy. That's a point I'd rather forget.

          Fact is, through the day I heard noises about greening up the auto industry from the Obama administration, but not from a single Kossack posting in this diary. I see now why he's President, and we're left blathering on blogs.

          "Doing My Part to Piss Off the Religious Right" - A sign held by a 10-year old boy on 9-24-05

          by Timbuk3 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 04:38:44 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Geithner Says Some Banks Need ‘Large Amoun (1+ / 0-)
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    Timbuk3

    of Assistance.

    "Some banks are going to need some large amounts of assistance," Geithner said yesterday on the ABC News program "This Week." The terms of a $500 billion public-private program to aid banks "cannot change" for investors or they’ll lose confidence in the plan, he said on NBC’s "Meet the Press."

    We are so screwed.

  •  GM was also the company (4+ / 0-)
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    that killed the EV.

    Too little too late as far as I'm concerned.  Wagoner should have fallen on the sword a long time ago and taken some of th others with him.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 05:17:50 AM PDT

  •  If building an electric car was easy, the (2+ / 0-)
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    Timbuk3, JeffW

    Japanese, who have zero oil reserves, would have done it years ago.  

    •  The age of the personal automobile is (1+ / 0-)
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      coming to an end.

      We should nationalize the car companies and get them to work building mass transit vehicles. Currently streetcars, subways and buses come from mostly overseas.

      Most Baby-Boomers will lose their driving licenses in the next 20 years due to failing eyesight and health. We will need decent public transit to keep people from becoming stuck in their homes.

      "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

      by greendem on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 08:31:46 AM PDT

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      •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

        Throughout human history, we've increased personal abilities and freedoms with each successive technological era.  First you had primitive boat building, then the domestication of horses, then larger boats, teams of animals carrying more than one person, all of this leading towards faster and faster forms of transportation.

        It is human nature to seek more independence and capability, not less.

        •  Who will drive the old folks around? (1+ / 0-)
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          Mass transit is the only solution. That is why AAPR has just joined Transportation for America.

          http://t4america.org/...

          This is a great campaign, everyone should sign up to get their action alerts.

          "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

          by greendem on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 10:39:23 AM PDT

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          •  My stepfather is 85 and drives. (0+ / 0-)

            I expect to drive into my second century.

            •  DMVs are cracking down (0+ / 0-)

              Why the desperate car-hugging?

              Let's provide services our communities need.

              "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

              by greendem on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 03:07:04 PM PDT

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              •  Why deny people their freedom? (2+ / 0-)
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                This is where I totally part company from many progressives- when a person CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES, LET THEM.

                Preventing someone who is capable of living their own life in peace, by assuming you and only you can tell them what they want and need is just a hair short of slavery.

                Look deeply into your "communities' needs" and you'll see their first and most important of all is self-determination.

                If someone wants to use mass-trans, good.  If they want to drive, good.  Telling people what is good for them, and what they should want is authoritarianism, and you should violently reject this notion at all costs.

                •  My point is... (2+ / 0-)
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                  Even if you can't, or choose not to drive, you should still have freedom to get around.

                  Car-dependent communities force people to drive long after they are capable of doing so safely because there are no alternatives and they are afraid of becoming shut-ins.

                  If pops can still drive safely at 85, good for him. But most folks that age cannot pass the eye test or the driving test.

                  "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

                  by greendem on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 05:46:48 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You are not forced to live (0+ / 0-)

                    in a community that is "car-dependent."

                    And even in such areas, there are cheap senior-citizen taxi services that cost a tenth of taxis that give you point-to-point service.  That isn't mass transit, and isn't efficient but it is a measure of freedom and and reliability that mass transit can't provide.

                    Most 85 year olds can't use the subway, or surface mass-transit either!  Even with lifts, those steps are a bitch.  And you only have a few seats up front that are easy to reach, and they don't last long.

      •  No ones sticking me at Home (1+ / 0-)
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        greendem

        Hey Sonny, get offa my lawn.

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 12:21:41 PM PDT

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  •  Another diarist who doesn't know what he's writin (1+ / 0-)
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    Roger Fox

    about.

    GM and Chrysler both have EVs in the works.  If you really know about the industry, you'd know they are not going to make much of a dent, with hybrids being the bridge vehicle until fuel cells are cheap enough.

    Waggoner left because he's been entrenched at GM for a generation.  He was part of the corporate problem, not the solution.

    •  Right, all 3 have electrics coming out (1+ / 0-)
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      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 12:24:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  & nix on the fuel cells (0+ / 0-)

      not happnin large scale. IMHO.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 12:25:32 PM PDT

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      •  Honda, GM, Ford, BMW, MB... All fuel cell mfgs (0+ / 0-)

        Get back to me in about 10 years, and we'll see how much market penetration is for each type of vehicle.

        I sincerely doubt that electrics will break a half-percent, and fuel cells will most likely be in the one percent range.

        And I think that might be too optimistic. But if we see gas at about $5.00 (in 2009 dollars) or a serious carbon tax, that might be a different story altogether.

  •  Ford is in the best shape (0+ / 0-)

    GM is probably in the worst shape. They were the biggest and fell the furthest, and the good CEO left for the good of the country, what a patriot.

    Chrysler was already talking to Fiat.

    GM is working on the Volt, is that what you mean? Fords all electric car is due in 2011. Volt is due late 2010 and the Volt will use a E85 powered back up generator.

    http://www.chevrolet.com/...

    http://blogs.cars.com/...

    In 1999:
    New Ford hybrid electric car tops 70 MPG

    http://media.ford.com/...

    I find it interesting that, of the big 3, only GM's CEO is being asked to step down. GM is the only one of the three that's working very publicly on an electric car. It's probably only a coincidence, but it's a very disturbing coincidence.

    GM is in worse shape, and its not true that "GM is the only one of the three that's working very publicly on an electric car". I dropped a link about Fords electric car found above, here is a link or 2 for Chrysler:

    3 electric models by 2010:

    http://blog.wired.com/...

    Like a Smart Car:

    http://www.gemcar.com/

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Mon Mar 30, 2009 at 12:17:58 PM PDT

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