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The Hill has a story tonight with direct quotes from a bevy of Republican Senators, all of whom will back Norm Coleman's quixotic bid for the Junior Senator's seat in Minnesota--even if it means he takes it to the Supreme Court. Amazingly, some even try to echo his talking points, including Orrin Hatch most egregiously:

"There are very important issues involved -- constitutional issues -- and I have no qualms about saying that if he can, he ought to push it all the way," said Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). "We're so sick and tired of having one set of rules for Democrats they don't abide by, and then another set of rules for Republicans. The Democrats didn't count the ballots the way they should and they didn't put the protections in that they should. It was the Republicans who were better at counting ballots and doing what was right and following the law. They don't do it on the other side as much.

{more ridiculousness--and Schumer's solid answer--below}

Hatch goes on to say:

"I don't think it's hurting the party. I think we all realize it's so close and there's a lot involved here and I don't think it's hurt the state, either, because it hasn't hurt them either. It's always good to have two senators, but not when one may not be entitled to the position."

Not entitled? Exqueeze me? Baking powder? And you have to wonder where he's getting his sense that it's not hurting the party. Nearly half of Minnesotans apparently wanted him to concede...in January.

Most of the true winger crackpots came out for this article: Sam Brownback, John Cornyn, Bob Corker, Jon Kyl, Jeff Sessions, the aforementioned Hatch, and...Olympia Snowe? That's kind of odd, frankly. Her rationale is to simply let Norm be Norm:

"Whatever he says," said Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine.). "So much has been committed. He's obviously invested so much in time and commitment and money -- it's staggering -- so I think it's important that either side abide by the final process by which the final decision will be rendered. It would put your mind at peace with the outcome."

So now it's OK to contest something after it's long been clear it is hopeless...because you've but so much money in after it already? Gotcha.

I'm no fan of Chuck Schumer for the most part, but his statement in response is reassuring:

"We believe the law of Minnesota requires a candidate to be certified after all the state appeals are through, whether someone applies to the federal court or not," said Democratic Conference Vice Chairman Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.).

Good to hear. Hopefully we will only need to wait until after the MSC rules, and then Chuck will have Al seated and absorb "World War III" like he is paid and was elected to do. But I hope reporters continue to ask Republicans whether they support this lost cause. The more in bed with another loser, the better.

Originally posted to torridjoe on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 09:36 AM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Once the MN courts have declared a winner (7+ / 0-)

    for the R's to continue harping on this would only work at exciting their base. I guess they see 30% as a floor, not a ceiling?

  •  Coleman has lost by winning. (8+ / 0-)

    The ECC's count decision actually agreed with Coleman's position on many issues.

    Witnesses are not required to be registered at their current addresses, signatures are OK if they are anywhere on the envelope, and witness addresses don't have to be complete or even present if the address is readily apparent (same as voter).

    These rulings actually moot Coleman's "equal protection" and "due process" arguments.

    Since Coleman presented ballots fitting these categories and Franken did not Franken becomes the party who can argue "due progress" if this goes to appeal.

    Coleman's only remaining argument is signature mismatches and the Democratic area argument comes from Minneapolis which only had a few of those.

  •  Reid will sit Franken as soon as the MN Court... (7+ / 0-)

    finishes the final counting in a few days, and the Court orders a certificate to be issued. Franken can be seated provisionally, and Colman will be free to pursue his case to the US Supreme Court. At that point, if Coleman wins, the Senate can boot Franken out, and seat Coleman. In the meantime, Minnesotans will have their two certified Senators as they should have had for months already.

    I know the special interests and lobbyists are gearing up for a fight as we speak.
    My message to them is this: So am I -- President Barack Obama

    by Jimdotz on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 10:09:43 AM PDT

    •  Does "provisional" solve the Burris dilemma? (2+ / 0-)
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      Jimdotz, newdem1960

      Reid's insistence that Burris provide a signed certificate is a complicating factor there and Cornholio and his gang will pound on that in nauseam.

      Landreau actually has a provisional cert when she was seated pending court challenges.

      I believe Reid's hands are tied until the courts order Pawlenty to sign.

      If Pawlenty refuses to sign (doubtful) Reid will be justified in seating Franken.

      •  I believe.... (3+ / 0-)
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        Jimdotz, newdem1960, RBinDLH

        Jesse White, the SoS in Illinois, did not sign the actual certificate (he reacted politically very fast -- should have kept him mouth shut).  There was some letter that was signed I think; and the Senate interpretation of election law was also a factor.

        I think instead of complicating issues, the Burris issue makes it easier to sidestep Pawlenty on this issue.  If the MN ECC and/or Supreme Court order that a certificate be issued, Pawlenty can hyperventilate all he wants:  the Court will order the certificate which legitimizes seating Franken.  

      •  Since seating isn't legislation (1+ / 0-)
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        Jimdotz

        it's not subject to filibuster, right? I think they can find 51 Dems to go along with a Franken court victory, should Pawlenty balk.

    •  I'd like to think that Reid will seat Franken, (3+ / 0-)
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      lcs, Sister Havana, Jimdotz

      but I'll believe it when I see it.

      "We had a decisive win... and so I don't think there is any question we have a mandate to move the country in a new direction." Barack Obama

      by pollbuster on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 11:37:46 AM PDT

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    •  Doesn't this raise another Constitutional Issue? (1+ / 0-)
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      Jimdotz

      If Franken is seated, does the Supreme Court have the right to order the Senate to unseat him?

      •  No, Senate has complete control of membership. (0+ / 0-)

        They could seat Mickey Mouse if they wanted to.

        I know the special interests and lobbyists are gearing up for a fight as we speak.
        My message to them is this: So am I -- President Barack Obama

        by Jimdotz on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 01:51:48 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  I cannot believe that the good people in MN (2+ / 0-)
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    gogol, newdem1960

    are no saying - enough is enough - for them even to contemplate being with out their secon senator for months - years? to come ---- is simply unbelievable.

    MN's get out there and tell Coleman to go -- to hell.

    (and yes I know it is still cold there -- but really -- you ice fish too -- so I do not believe you a shrinking violets) LOL

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 10:32:19 AM PDT

  •  Here's what I don't get - (2+ / 0-)
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    DianeNYS, 57andFemale

    The Dems block the usage of reconciliation as a show of bi-partsanship and to work throught the system, not end-around it while at the same time the GOP is locking out Franken by using the courts as a weapon not because they really think Coleman will win, but to keep the Dems from having one other seat for as long as possible.

    In the very least there should have been a backroom deal where reconciliation was taken off the table ONLY when Franken was seated.  

    The Dems are doubly tying their hands.  They're allowing the GOP to make it harder for them to get cloture on any bill by keeping Franken out, while at the same time allowing the GOP to filibuster to their hearts content by taking reconciliation off the table.

    If Progressives didn't criticize, they'd never have anything to say.

    by Jonze on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 10:47:32 AM PDT

    •  The GOP's argument is... (1+ / 0-)
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      DianeNYS

      Lets have a legitimate vote on the issues, using reconciliation is playing games with the system.  Well wouldn't a legitimate debate and vote mean all 100 senators are involved? Franken won the election and if the GOP wants a legitimate vote and debate, then he should be sat.  Instead you have Cornyn saying he could be kept out for years, and now you have Snowe and Hatch supporting the idea to keep Franken out as long as possible.  

      It's time the Dems play some hardball. If the GOP doesn't want reconciliation used, then seat Franken and quit playing games themselves.  

      Sure Coleman is playing within the rules with his endless appeals, however reconciliation is also with in the rules.  Whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

      If Progressives didn't criticize, they'd never have anything to say.

      by Jonze on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 10:51:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  When did that happen...(link needed) (0+ / 0-)

      The Dems block the usage of reconciliation as a show of bi-partsanship and to work throught the system,...(snip)

      -- by Jonze on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 01:47:32 PM EDT

      I am NOT aware of any complete effort by any Democratic Senator to block the use of reconcillation on buget final passage.

      Where is the link to that state...!?!?

      Confront all issues in a timely manner...

      by 2questions on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 11:16:11 AM PDT

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      •  They voted not to use reconciliation... (0+ / 0-)

        for climate change issue, with 26 Dems signing on.  I think it's safe to assume the same Dems will be against using reconciliation for any measure.  

        If Progressives didn't criticize, they'd never have anything to say.

        by Jonze on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 12:27:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  O'44 will have the votes for reconciliation... (0+ / 0-)

          (if needed)...on any issues directly related to Health Care, Enery, and Education.

          And, but too also such as (there) plus more...

          It will be needed.

          Confront all issues in a timely manner...

          by 2questions on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 12:50:49 PM PDT

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  •  Is counting ballots really a road they'd like (1+ / 0-)
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    pollbuster

    to travel down?  But I guess Gore v. Bush gives them precedence for not doing such.

  •  Schumer was chair of the DSCC and a good (3+ / 0-)
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    Piotr, pollbuster, alswearingen

    one. They won't allow Franken to not be seated.

    •  The Un-dis-seated Al Franken (0+ / 0-)

      I am trying to collect your negations into one word.

      Republicans are ridiculous as usual, defending "higher principles of the minute", which is to be exactly as lenient and tight in interpreting rules of valid ballot as it may help their candidate.

      Someone put a nice table about the Republican constitutional philosophy:

      state government GOP, federal Dem: state rights supreme!

      state government Dem, federal GOP: federal pre-emption

      both Dem: anarchy! polish your guns!

  •  New republican motto: (1+ / 0-)
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    Jane Lew

    Full taxation with half representation.

    "We had a decisive win... and so I don't think there is any question we have a mandate to move the country in a new direction." Barack Obama

    by pollbuster on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 11:39:40 AM PDT

  •  Hatch's remarks sound (0+ / 0-)

    completely dis-oriented

    "We had a decisive win... and so I don't think there is any question we have a mandate to move the country in a new direction." Barack Obama

    by pollbuster on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 11:41:11 AM PDT

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