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On April 4, a 17-year old local boy was murdered- shot 2 times in the chest at point-blank range in an affluent, residential, suburban neighborhood. Was he killed by a police officer during the commission of a heinous crime? No. Was he armed and threatening the man who shot him? No.

This teenage boy, with his entire life ahead of him, was murdered by a homeowner in the neighborhood who was concerned that this boy and his 2 teenage companions were possibly seeking to vandalize or break into nearby cars. Seriously. Over "possible" vandalism or petty theft, a 41-year old family man thought it was worthwhile to confront these kids with a loaded handgun! When the dust cleared, a boy lay slain in the driveway of a middle-class subdivision in Western NY. His family, friends, community- devastated.

What's wrong with us? My thoughts after the jump...

Ten years ago this month, the horrible events at Columbine High School in Littleton, CO, woke me up from a lifetime of complacency and self-absorption. Overnight, I became aware that I couldn't protect my (at that time) infant child from harm by living in a "nice" suburb with all the material advantages and dedicating myself solely to being a good mom.

I was, believe it or not, inspired by that tragedy in Colorado to return to college. I majored in Philosophy and minored in a combination of social sciences, psychology, and a range of other courses under the heading of "Peace Studies."  I was determined to understand the sources of every kind of violence and promote alternatives for my son, his peers, and future generations.

At the end of my four years of college, I was 31, with a 5 year old son and $30K of debt. But I had the degree I wanted and I felt like I learned what I needed to learn in order to contribute positively to the future. I have since worked with young people- mostly adolescents and teenagers- teaching life and leadership skills and promoting mental health, community activism, and global understanding. It doesn't pay well but I can look myself in the mirror!

This weekend, though, when one of the teens I work with came to our City at Peace Saturday program and told me, through copious tears, that her cousin, Christopher, was the teen who had been shot to death early that morning, I was, again, shaken awake.

Though the situation had no ostensible similarities to the Columbine "massacre," as I started writing this diary, several key commonalities came to mind.

  1. In both cases, innocent life was lost because "justice" was administered by vigilantes acting as judge, jury, and executioner.
  1. In both cases, the setting was previously believed entirely "safe."
  1. In both cases, the amount of force applied was so disproportionate to the perceived offense committed by the victims that it shocked the entire community.
  1. In both cases, access to high-powered weapons by individuals with a misplaced sense of personal empowerment led to horrifying tragedy.
  1. In both cases, the traumatic effects on bystanders will have a long-term, negative impact on lives and communities.

There are other connections I could make- not just to these two incidents but also to the recent tragedies in Binghamton, NY; Alabama; North Carolina; Washington; California and so many other parts of our broken country- but it's late and I need to wrap up my thoughts so I can get some sleep.

I'm heartbroken for the family and friends of 17 year-old Christopher Cervini. I'm still heartbroken over the tragic loss of life in Littleton, and Binghamton, and Paducah, and Pearl, and Samson, and Fallujah, and Baghdad, and Islamabad... On and on it goes.

The point, I'm trying to make- in case it is unclear- is that the application of violence as some sort of "solution" only creates more problems. The most heartbreaking thing of all is how desensitized we've become as a culture to the toll all of this takes on our humanity. From school yard fights to global armed conflict, (aka WAR) the root of violence is the same- our misguided perception that might makes right and respect can be earned by dominating others. This is a grand fallacy and it must be countered.

Despite my heartbreak, I will still mentor troubled kids and run programs to promote social change. I will continue to teach my son, not just through my words but through my actions that a just and peaceful world is possible.

I invite you to join me. Our children deserve nothing less.

Originally posted to peacemom528 on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 10:29 PM PDT.

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    •  Glad you used the correct word: MURDERED (4+ / 0-)

      "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

      by ratmach on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 10:53:56 PM PDT

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    •  my neighbor will be one of these vigilantes in (6+ / 0-)

      the near future, i'll guarantee it.
       this piece of crap is hardcore reich wing that drinks up every drop of GOP infused Kool Aid that trickles his way, a true nut case.
       directly behind our houses is a huge wooded lot that of course kids are attracted to. back in '04 there was a problem with a couple of teenagers on ATV's ripping up the place but that was very short lived. 15 boxes of well placed roofing nails provided more destroyed tires than they could afford and they quickly went away.
       about 2 years went by totally uneventful other than the occasional kid "exploring" or whatever and a few lovers who found the place a good make-out spot. big deal. i have no problem with any of that.
        not Mr. Gooper. he would stop anyone passing his house and demand that we call the cops on ANYONE that dares enter the woods- his logic was that ANYONE in those woods was up to no good. he got ignored.
       next came his claim of our neighborhood being vandalized and thefts occuring due to the "minorities" that found our little known area and were now hellbent on continuing their pattern of thefts, next it would be burglaries, rape and murders. right here. worry your asses off 'cause i sit up all night and watch it, it's always those damn minorities doing the shit, believe me. in our neighborhood. be scared, be very scared...
       we fell out at that point, never were cool or anything like that but i'd at least acknowledge his dumb ass- not after his little "minorities are destroying our neighborhood" spiel.
       the guy looked up the property owners name and got permission to act as his "manager" of said property. immediately "no tresspassing" signs went up all over the damn place and he started what has been this unrelenting pattern of confrontation on anyone daring to step foot on said property.
        he has the cops out on average at least once a week, and they, being his buddies and pals, show up with 6-8 cars each time over his calls about "trespassers". and no, i am not exagerating.
        a couple of months ago he threatened to kill a WWII diabled vet who had the misfortune of running into this monster. i witnessed the verbal assault and called 911. the cops did nothing. it was their buddy and pal, why would they? if that were me they'd call it assault on the elderly and assault on a disabled person. they are both felonies in Fla.
       a week later my next door neighbor was fixing his fence that seperates his yard from this property, Mr. Asshole came flying down demanding he not step foot on the other side of his fence-my next door neighbor is one of those scarey brown people that Mr. Nazi rails about, go figure...
       a kid walking his dog back there about 10 days ago was confronted by this idiot- armed. for walking his dog.
       i called 911.
       but that is their buddy and pal, he has every right to flash guns at kids trespassing i was told, "as long as he does not point it in a threatening manner or indicate he will use it". well duh, why would he have it?
       i am sick of this asshole and the cops who kiss his ass. i called the property owner and told him what is going on but he seems to think it is no big deal. i looked up the property itself and found out that it has an easement that allows use of his property to gain access to an ajoining property through which the property in question is the only access. i called that property owner and got permission to gain access any time i desire.
       the problem is Mr. Asshole is scared of me. he bullies on anyone smaller than his big ass but my ass is much much bigger than he is, 6'9" and 250- he won't say shit to me. i walk my dogs back there daily now, call it crazy but i really want his dumb ass to come confront me like he does these other folks. i carry a voice activated recorder and have a video camera zoomed in on the area directly behind his house...
       he is seriously deranged. i have heard enough come out of his mouth to realize just what a threat he poses and i know that here in the near future something is going to happen, being the militant reich winger type that he is i suspect it will happen the day one of his much hated "minorities" make the mistake of going on said property. he does no scare me though, i know he's nothing but a goddamn coward.
       i have contacted the police, sheriffs dept, FDLE and even the Florida dept of Wildlife (regarding his shooting wild turkey from his back porch, yes, i am serious!) to no avail.
       if he doesn't go postal on someone on this property i am willing to bet he does go postal somewhere, matter of fact i'll bet money on it.
       

      impeachment-it does the body good impeachment-it isn't just for blow jobs anymore impeachment-i can say no more i expect no less

      by playtonjr on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 04:50:02 AM PDT

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      •  Sounds like my neighbor's neighbor (3+ / 0-)
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        Your neighbor is much scarier than my neighbor's neighbor but they still have  the same basic attitude and sense of entitlement. This nut, Ira, has lived on our street since he was born. Some of the surrounding homes, including mine, were built around a decade ago. So my neighbors and I are basically some kind of Foreign OTHER and Ira is fighting a noble battle to rid the neighborhood of people like us so that he returns to the halcyon days of yesteryear.

        Yada, Yada, Yada. My neighbor Jim has been threatened by Ira too many times to mention. Jim even went out and purchased a security camera at my wife's suggestion and he recorded Ira and his wife assaulting Jim by spraying his hose at him when he came near the property line. So Jim called the cops, who seemed put off that they were asked to intervene. Excuse me, isn't that their job. Basically, they didn't want to intervene so I went up to the officer in charge and said that the police were making Ira more brazen because they would not enforce the law and so there were no consequences for the behavior. I told the officer in charge that if they continued to blow this off, it will end in tragedy with either Jim getting so frustrated that he feels forced to take matters into his own hands or Ira will kill him because the police have done nothing.

        •  Cops are quite often part of the problem... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... in cases like this. It's something about their personalities and political views, I think. Both vigilante types (or ANY kind of rightwinger) and most cops have a pretty frightening view of the world... a view that people like you and I don't share.

          "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

          by ratmach on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 01:13:56 PM PDT

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      •  Wow. I hope you get the chance to testify... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... against the scumbag in court someday. Or I guess I shouldn't say that, since that'll probably mean he's killed someone. But anyway, if he ever IS brought up on charges for something, I'd go into court and demand a change of venue. Yes, a normal citizen can do that, even if not directly involved in the case. It sure sounds like there'll NEED to be a change of venue, considering what you've said about his cop buddies and all. If not, he'll walk no matter what evidence (video, etc.) you have against the scumbag.

        "Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media." -- Noam Chomsky

        by ratmach on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 01:10:06 PM PDT

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  •  sounds like manslaughter3X (3+ / 0-)
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    someone is going to jail

    George Bush is Living proof of the axiom "Never send a boy to do a man's job" E -2.25 S -4.10

    by nathguy on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 10:32:12 PM PDT

  •  dangit' (2+ / 0-)
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    recommended then -- mouse unrecommended.

    Someone put in a Rec for me.

  •  Really sad story. (3+ / 0-)
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    Ugg, I don't know why you even take a gun out to confront someone just committing a property crime.

    What was the guy who shot Cervini's rationale for firing shots?  Were the kids armed?  Were they threatening him when he was out there?

    Ugg, I don't know why he couldn't have just called the police.

    •  Precisely (7+ / 0-)

      Those are the key questions, aren't they. We have answers for some. No, the kids were not armed. The local news media have been insinuating that the boys were up to something based on the statements of the shooter.

      I don't know about you but when I was a teenager I sometimes snuck out of the house in the middle of the night and walked around the neighborhood with friends doing "nuthin'" or maybe having a beer and some smokes. We probably got a little loud and woke some neighbors. I would never have expected to find myself staring down the barrel of a gun.

      He should have just called the police OR gone back to bed muttering to himself about "dumb kids." Now he has to live with what he's done, whether he spends time in prison or not- he and his family will suffer for the rest of their lives- just as Christopher's loved ones will.

      We will either learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools. -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

      by peacemom528 on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 11:15:12 PM PDT

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      •  I'm confused. Were they actually breaking (3+ / 0-)
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        into cars or were they just being loud and obnoxious kids?  Are we now shooting people who "may at some point in the near future" commit a crime?  I thought the story about the guy in Texas who just got off for shooting a 13 year old who broke into his house to steal sodas and snacks was the worst story I'd hear.  I guess I was wrong.

        "Inside my heart is breaking. My makeup may be flaking, but my smile still stays on." Queen

        by owilde69 on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 12:02:03 AM PDT

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        •  Texas has the (0+ / 0-)

          "your home is your castle" law, right?

          •  Property is your castle. La has the same thing. (0+ / 0-)

            If someone is on your property, and they're doing something wrong, or you think they might do something wrong, you have the right to shoot them.

            "Inside my heart is breaking. My makeup may be flaking, but my smile still stays on." Queen

            by owilde69 on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 12:18:50 AM PDT

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        •  Doesn't matter. (0+ / 0-)

          The general rule is that you're not allowed to use your gun except to respond to an imminent threat of being killed or maimed,  when (possibly not in all states) it's not feasible to flee.

          Many states have laws that create a presumption that anyone invading your home poses such a threat,  but I don't think even California allows you to presume that about your car. Certainly not when you're not in it.

          The news reports say that the killer has been charged with second-degree murder,  based on a "depraved indifference" theory.  That might be too harsh:  he claims that the kid he killed "came at him",  and it's possible that,  since it was nighttime,  he couldn't tell with certainty whether the kids were armed.

          But,  even if he actually saw them breaking into unoccupied cars,  he shouldn't have initiated an armed confrontation over it.

          Assuming the news reports are true,  he should,  at least,  be charged with manslaughter.

  •  While tragic, I fail to see how (4+ / 0-)

    an assault weapons ban would have prevented this, especially considering it was a handgun that was used. Moreover, anecdotes are not evidence of anything.

  •  Senseless murder (13+ / 0-)

    and it happens everyday somewhere in this country.

    Years ago it happened here.A Japanese exchange student was shot to death by a homeowner, in an affluent neighborhood, because the man thought he came to kill him and his family. The boy was lost and only tried to get directions to a party he was invited to.
    The thing that most enraged me most was the man didn't even think he was wrong.

    •  That was in Baton Rouge, right? I (3+ / 0-)
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      remember that story.

      "Inside my heart is breaking. My makeup may be flaking, but my smile still stays on." Queen

      by owilde69 on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 12:04:05 AM PDT

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      •  Yes,Baton Rouge. (2+ / 0-)
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        It was heartbreaking!

        •  The student (1+ / 0-)
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          His name was Hattori, I recall. I was in Japan at the time and his death really shook them up. There were lessons on TV about how to respond if an American with a gun yells "freeze!" at you.

          They pretty much thought we were out of control over this issue. Needless to say, gun control over there is incredibly strict.

          Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

          by The Raven on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 04:40:03 AM PDT

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          •  It is out of control! (0+ / 0-)

            every idiot can buy a gun either legally or on the streets.
            That young man didn't have to die if gun control would be stricter in this country. Who needs a 357 magnum in the house?I don't get it!

            •  ? (0+ / 0-)

              Why is a .357 magnum such a scary gun?

              And you're correct:

              every idiot can buy a gun either legally or on the streets.

              The problem is, if you outlaw guns, the only ones with guns will be the government and outlaws.

              Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.62, -3.44

              by KVoimakas on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 10:04:25 PM PDT

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              •  The boy was shot with a 357. (0+ / 0-)

                I'm not afraid of guns I'm afraid of gun toting idiots!

                The problem is, if you outlaw guns, the only ones with guns will be the government and outlaws.

                I don't want to outlaw guns! Stricter control YES!

                There are quite a few countries on this planet who have very strict gun laws and function very well. I was raised in a country with strict gun laws and it never kept me from protesting my governments stupidities,but then I wasn't afraid of my government.
                BTW,I own a shotgun and keep a tire iron under the front seat of my car.

                •  What kind of stricter controls do you want? (0+ / 0-)

                  I was raised in a country with strict gun laws and it never kept me from protesting my governments stupidities,but then I wasn't afraid of my government.

                  There are more reasons to own a gun than to protect yourself from your government.

                  And I'd expand on your statement: I'm afraid of ALL idiots.

                  Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.62, -3.44

                  by KVoimakas on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 11:02:42 PM PDT

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    •  Episode of Homicide about the same thing (0+ / 0-)

      More than a decade ago there was a great TV show called Homicide: Life on the Streets on NBC. It was done by the same guy who created The Corner, and The Wire. Anyway, they had an episode where a homeowner played by David Morse shot a Turkish exchange student who was dressed up like Gene Simmons from Kiss because he was going to a Halloween Party and got lost and went to ask for directions.

  •  I've already (2+ / 0-)
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    luckylizard, ratmach

    recommended the diary.I wish I could recommend the update as well.It expresses my feelings and frustrations exactly.  Thank you.

    I don't hate Republicans I just feel better when they're not around.

    by justCal on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 11:48:04 PM PDT

  •  During the past couple of months... (5+ / 0-)

    ..we've lost more lives to gun violence in our country than in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

    I've been thinking about this all weekend, and I can't shake this awful feeling.

    People like Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Alan Keyes, Glen Beck are out in the media working to incite fear and hostile feelings in people.

    I'd like to see a series of ads that feature diverse people all across this nation talking about our peace, our mutual respect we have for one another, about how people of courage live without weapons, without fear of one another.  

    The NRA surely promotes their deadly products.

    We should be promoting our peace and common cause just as vigorously.  

    •  Violence is profitable (2+ / 0-)
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      Peace is only profitable in the sense that it creates a better environment, but it won't be something you can profit from as your primary source of income, which is why those who depend on violence oppose it,

      Who would pay for such ads?  Nobody would make money with them.  However hatemongers get rich spewing it.

      Is there any information about what is being done with this idiot or if he is trying to justify it?

    •  Last time I checked (1+ / 0-)
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      the NRA didn't manufacture firearms.

      And in regards to gun violence increasing: that's one of the reasons why I carry. If someone starts shooting, I'd rather be responsible for my own safety. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

      I don't have respect for criminals. I don't have respect for most 'capitalist is TEH AWESOME' right wingers. I don't have respect for those who would remove one of my rights for an increase in safety: whether that's warrant-less wiretapping, suspension of Habeas Corpus, or removing my right to keep and bear arms.

      Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.62, -3.44

      by KVoimakas on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 02:36:12 AM PDT

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      •  The NRA is a public arm of the KKK (0+ / 0-)

        funded by gun manufacturers.

      •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

        And in regards to gun violence increasing: that's one of the reasons why I carry. If someone starts shooting, I'd rather be responsible for my own safety. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

        First of all, I would like to clarify my initial remarks about gun violence.  Those two words probably should never be used together in discussions as guns are not violent.  Violence is an operation of human behavior.  So I apologize for my unfortunate choice of words.

        With respect to your decision to arm yourself in response to others arming themselves, that's a logical position to adopt in context.

        My focus was towards answering the wild public rhetoric by those trying to incite hostilities and fear in the general populace.  

        While you may choose to arm yourself against threats, I seriously doubt that you regard your weapon as the one and only tool of conflict resolution.  

        Nor was I trying to reform public opinion with my desire to see ads about peace and respect.  My position is that 99.99% of the time in 99.99% of human interaction, people resolve their conflicts peacefully and without violence.  

        I'm not calling for reformation but recognition of that reality.  So instead of reacting negatively to the fearmongers, my approach would be to stand up a wall of reaffirmation of our collective and shared values as Americans.  

        We need to backstop these fires of fear and suspicion of one another before we look like Iraq or Pakistan or Afghanistan.  We are a culturally-diverse nation that could fracture along the same tribal fault lines observed in other countries.

        It's time to re-cultivate our values and purge Bush's legacy nightmares.  

        •  You are correct. (1+ / 0-)
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          While you may choose to arm yourself against threats, I seriously doubt that you regard your weapon as the one and only tool of conflict resolution.

          I have running/driving away (if I can.) I have the whole 'avoid dangerous areas' thing going for me.

          I like to think I have common sense as well.

          Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.62, -3.44

          by KVoimakas on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 10:01:00 PM PDT

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  •  paranoid irrational ppl with guns (0+ / 0-)

    never a good combination

  •  At 3:30 AM??? (3+ / 0-)

    The Old Redneck likely will be attacked, criticized, and flamed for the following comments, but, here goes.

    I own lots of firearms; I hunt and do a bit of target shooting. I have never investigated a funny noise around my home with a loaded pistol in my hand.

    If confronted with noises in my driveway at 3:30 AM, I would:  (1) tell Sweet Thing to call 911; (2) turn on all the outside lights; (3) use my key chain remote to activate the alarm on the car; (4) look outside through several windows, and, (5) not go outside.

    HOWEVER -- perhaps someone could tell me what three young men were doing wandering up and down the streets at 3:30 IN THE MORNING.  While the young man's death is unbearably tragic, the fact is that not much good happens when a group of young men are out between the hours of 1:00 AM and dawn.  They may have been innocent of any wrongdoing, but, I doubt that they were collecting for the Salvation Army.

    One of the lessons parents need to take from this is to impose and enforce a curfew and don't let your teenaged children be out of the house at 3:30 AM.

    •  Blame the victim (2+ / 0-)
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      Good handle you picked.
      probably the kids were liberals out looking to get killed by some honest american homeowner in order to make the NRA look bad.  The kid's name is kinda foreign sounding too.

    •  Contradicted your own argument (1+ / 0-)
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      Read the first part of your comment:

      If confronted with noises in my driveway at 3:30 AM, I would:  (1) tell Sweet Thing to call 911; (2) turn on all the outside lights; (3) use my key chain remote to activate the alarm on the car; (4) look outside through several windows, and, (5) not go outside.

      Now read the second:

      HOWEVER -- perhaps someone could tell me what three young men were doing wandering up and down the streets at 3:30 IN THE MORNING.  While the young man's death is unbearably tragic, the fact is that not much good happens when a group of young men are out between the hours of 1:00 AM and dawn.  They may have been innocent of any wrongdoing, but, I doubt that they were collecting for the Salvation Army.

      IMO the first thing was common sense, so the second part of your comment made no sense as you already indicated it was not prudent to go outside on your own. Moreover, vandalism and petty burglary in no way justify shooting anyone because your life is not threatened and the victims here hadn't even entered the premises.

      Now had this person called the cops, and waited for them to show and then these kids entered his house, it would have been less clear cut a case. Still, blaming the victim here accomplishes nothing as the same thing could have happened at any point once the sun went down.

      If the kids were shot at 9 p.m. would you still say the same thing?

      •  Come, let's be reasonable here (0+ / 0-)

        The shooter grossly over-reacted. We all agree on that. He deserves prison, and a lot of it.

        The kids had no business being where and when they were. If they had been at home asleep in their beds, where they belonged, none of this would have happened.

        It is not blaming the vitim to point out the victim was an utter dumbass who put himself in a dangerous situation unnecessarily. He did not deserve to be shot for it, true. But the granparent is right - nothing good comes of teenagers out at that time of night. Be honest in your debate.

        •  Can any of us say we've NEVER been out at 3 am? (2+ / 0-)
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          I am a "good girl." I've never been in trouble. Never smoked, never drank before I was 21, etc.

          And, yes. I have been out with friends at 3 am. What were we doing? Hanging out. Feeling "powerful" because we were out at 3 am.

          The worst thing we were doing is breaking curfew.

          Was it right to be out? No. But, that's why you call the police for kids breaking curfew.

          PLEASE do not blame the victim.

          I feel it IS blaming the victim to say if they were in their beds, nothing would have happened.

          If a man did not come out with a loaded gun, rather than calling the police, when he, himself, was in NO DANGER, nothing would have happened.

          •  The victim is not blameless (1+ / 0-)
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            ratmach

            Sorry. I will not bow to groupthink.

            The victim did not deserve what happened to him. The shooter should go to prison. Forever, if you ask me.

            But the kid should not have been out. He broke the rules, and he broke the law. One of the reasons curfew laws exist is BECAUSE YOU MIGHT GET SHOT SNEAKING AROUND SOMEONE'S HOUSE AT 3 IN THE MORNING. He did something stupid. Sometimes, when people do stupid things, really bad things happen. This is life. To say the victim is blameless means that he had no responsibility for putting himself in the situation. Did someone force him out of the house at gunpoint?

            The victim's responsibility in the matter is trivial compared to the shooter's. But that does not mean it was non-existent.

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