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Via a tip from a user, Glenn Beck certainly thinks that mere video games influence behavior:

But he doesn't think that using the "news" as a platform for fearmongering day in, day out might cause unstable elements of society to presume they should take action based on his rantings and the other conservative rantings that so inundate the airwaves. At least, not if the fearmongering is done by Glenn Beck.

This isn't new, of course, and isn't confined to Beck. Media influence on individual actions has been a talking point for twenty some odd years. Conservatives believe Spongebob Squarepants, the PBS show 'Arthur' and one of Teletubbies -- you know, the gay pride one -- can turn kids homosexual, and they so believed that Murphy Brown encouraged single motherhood that a American vice president condemned the fictional character by name. According to conservatives, everything on TV influences behavior, whether it's promiscuity, violence, or thinking that an asexual cartoon sea creature is coming on to you. They think rap music causes violence, video games promote violence, and that Rachel Ray wearing a checkered scarf is a coded signal of terrorism's insidious grip on the Food Network.

But they don't believe that "news reporters" constantly questioning whether the president is really loyal or not to this country might cause some people to take violent action against that president? Or that constant talk of the imminent overrun of America by "one worlders", or government officials attempting to invoke sharia law, while supposing a simultaneous effort to confiscate guns might perhaps influence people to stockpile more guns and anticipate an imminent need to use them?


No, they're not that stupid. They just pretend to be so that they don't get called out on it irresponsible, conspiracy-theory-based fearmongering every damn second of the day, on every conceivable issue. Fox treats both news and government as if it's one of those daytime talk shows where the only goal is to get a bunch of no-good, paranoid morons together and then piss them all off until someone throws a chair. That is why O'Reilly is a star: that's why the Glenn Beck show exists. On the internet, rightwing bloggers both large and small expand upon the themes daily.

People like Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly devote their days to talking about the supposedly un-American activities of liberals among us: one of their fans goes to a church and starts shooting people he believes to be liberals. People like Glenn Beck continually shout on-air about the supposed efforts of President Obama to surreptitiously take their guns: a unstable viewer starts shooting police officers that come to his house, and his friends cite his fear of the imminent "Obama gun ban" as one of the motivating factors.

Fearmongering -- being eager transmitters for whole hosts of the worst of right-wing conspiracy theories, so long as it brings in readers, viewers, or voters -- is a prime function of the conservative movement, from Glenn Beck's show to Sarah Palin rallies, from blogs to talk radio to the entire Fox News network. The language is deliberately panicked, exclusionary, and eliminationist, premised on constant, day-in-day-out assertions that liberals, Democrats, or others are not merely people of differing political opinions, but that they are less than American, are traitors to the country, or an imminent threat to the rights and freedoms of "true" patriots.

It seems hardly an outrageous presumption that some among their listeners will internalize the message of President Obama as traitor, and non-conservatives as enemies... and then act upon those beliefs with violence, either planned or spontaneous. Given the expanding list of examples of just that, in fact, it seems a proven connection.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:14 AM PDT.

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  •  I've never thought about picking up a gun... (25+ / 0-)

    and committing horrible acts of violence until I saw Beck.

    I've been playing violent video games for 20 years.

  •  So Thats Where My Hatred Of.. (19+ / 0-)

    ..barrel throwing apes came from!

    Clings to cheap beer and Yankee baseball.

    by Mro on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:16:09 AM PDT

  •  Ed Rollins (17+ / 0-)

    who is not one of my favs on the other side, has been level headed in saying the Republicans need a more positive way in getting out their message.  I think Rollins would agree this is NOT the way to do it.

    •  If this keeps up, the republicans are dead. (8+ / 0-)

      Much as I despise them for a host of other reasons, there are some level-headed fair minded people in the republican party.  This can only cause a split in the party...good for us as long as we keep our noses dry and do what we've been elected to do.  I do wish, however, that these people who see the damage this is doing to the republican party would just speak out more forcefully about it.  Rollins is collecting a paycheck as a "republican strategist", just like everybody else.  These are the people who are most guilty...those that see how potentially dangerous this all is and do nothing to stop it.

    •  What's their endgame? (8+ / 0-)

      Ed Rollins and a few other, more mature and older Republicans, know that this wailing and sobbing and hate speech aren't going to help Republicans do anything in the near future.  He also knows that the calmer heads do not have any control over the course and message of the party.

      The thing I wonder is what do the hate peddlers get out of this?  I mean in the near term they get more listeners and they get the feeling that, they as unelected blowhards, have more power than the elected GOP.  I'm sure that's a heady sort of feeling, but when that feeling goes away and all they are left with is a foaming at the mouth hate group, where do they go from there?  Let's face it these guys aren't smart enough, or crafty enough to actually foment and lead or create a real revolutionary group.  What we will have are more and more incidents of some whack-o, killin' dem libruls, pushed in that direction by these folks.

      At some point the media will finally put two and two together and start reporting on these tragedies.  I foresee a backlash to this, which might be even more dangerous than the original acts and speech, if only because these fools will feel threatened instead of actually coming off the ledge.

      We all went to heaven in a little rowboat, and there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt. --Radiohead

      by Tzimisce on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:40:16 AM PDT

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      •  Their End Game: The South Shall Rise Again (2+ / 0-)
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        benny05, island in alabama

        The plantation owners of the Old South have merely become the owners of today's Republican Party. Unions are bad because today's slaves should not organize of course. The GOP has become home to the Racist Party, headed-up by the likes of Limbaugh & Beck. Their product is HATE. They live off anger & fear. Patriotism is just talk to them. It's all about ME & $$$$...ME & $$$$...ME & $$$$...

      •  here's the PR firm behind some of it (1+ / 0-)
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        island in alabama

        testvet6778's diary

        The "tough guys" being organized into Milita units to march on Washington DC are being led by a front group funded by Westinghouse Corporation, Prudential Insurance, AETNA Insurance, the DuPont family, the Forbes family, McDonald Douglas, nuclear power plant builders and about a hundred groups made up of Washington lawyers and lobbyists.

        "Torture is the tool of the lazy, the stupid, and the pseudo-tough...the greatest recruiting tool that the terrorists have." Maj Gen Paul Eaton

        by whitewidow on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:54:30 AM PDT

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        •  So more money? (0+ / 0-)

          Ugh.  I think that probably is about right to ride this gravy train until it reaches its last stop and then cash their checks and retire amoungst the ruins.  Is it bad to think that doing all this for money and fame is even worse than do so if they actually held these beliefs?

          We all went to heaven in a little rowboat, and there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt. --Radiohead

          by Tzimisce on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:58:12 AM PDT

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      •  They have no endgame (4+ / 0-)

        The Party Right is all about tactics -- as we saw with McCain's bid for presidency.  No strategy.

        As for the TV blowhards, well, they win as long as they make money and people listen to them, cause really think they are wonderful..

        •  I think that is true (1+ / 0-)
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          benny05

          They have no ideas for anything just a set of basics like tax cuts and deregulation (and even those arent really fleshed out) and a sack full of tactics.  While we watch the last great gasp of the GOP, I'm guessing that corporatists will start to migrate to a new party or to the Democratic Party because they dont want to be associated with this garbage.

          I guess I just don't get it, the why, it really is disconcerting to see a large group of people acting without rhyme or reason.  A chaotic enemy is a really dangerous one.

          We all went to heaven in a little rowboat, and there was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt. --Radiohead

          by Tzimisce on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:03:41 AM PDT

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          •  The Republican Party created a monster that (2+ / 0-)
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            now has a strangle-hold on the Party.  Hannity, Limbaugh and crowd were meant to keep 'social-conseratives' active, frothing, donating, and voting.

            But now the Right is out-of-control.  And out of power.

            The Right just doesn't get why Obama was elected.  They just don't get why they've been defeated in two elections.  They just do not understand that their Real America is not America.

            So they are having a temper tantrum.  It will last a long time.

            Good news for America.

    •  As the mom of a redeploying National Staff Sgt. (3+ / 0-)
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      Debby, benny05, Front Toward Enemy

      this coming fall to help bring our troops out of Iraq (he ran an Afghani National Army Depot near Kabul, Afghanistan, '05-06), I get sick to my stomach with these right-wing, corporate-enabling, millionaire newsreaders blatantly lying to the poorer and middle-class Americans.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There has been nothing more important to me over the years than for the Bush/Cheney/Rummy administration to be investigated and prosecuted for their blatant war profiteering and their War Crimes committed with our stolen monies and in our name in Afghanistan and Iraq.   BUT...with our tanking ecomomy and all of the other national and international "landmines" that the previous administration left to President Obama, I am extremely proud of the way he is being careful and threading the needle instead of making rash decisions.  I was so proud of Obama's great reception at Camp Victory with our troops and it certainly wasn't unexpected.  My white, Catholic son, his troops and many of his local friends (many Indies) supported Obama in our critical Tampa Bay, Pinellas County that Obama won by 9 points!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Then there is the folks on this site that expect Obama to fix their "pet" issue within two months or totally fall in line with "one" economist's opinion.  Really?  Is legalizing marijuana RIGHT NOW the most important issue for our country?  Does Krugman (or self-promoting and Obama bashing Sirota) really have the best answers and do they know everything?   I sort of thought that carefully repairing the tanked economy with regulations would lead to market confidence and improving healthcare, education and our environmental care should take priority...at least for this year.   IMHO.  (I will wait for my "pet" issue and allow Obama's administration to thread their needles without the outrage and the divisiveness)         peace, mjd                        

      To Congress: "GO BIG" or go home

      by mjd in florida on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:06:06 AM PDT

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  •  Do videogames make you cry like a little bitch? (27+ / 0-)

    What game was that, Beck? "Grand Theft Auto: Crocodile Tears"?

    The festive scenes of liberation that Dick Cheney had once imagined for Iraq were finally taking place -- in cities all over America.

    by OReillysNightmare on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:16:58 AM PDT

  •  Glenn Beck is a tool.....that's it in a nutshell (5+ / 0-)

    and that dude belongs in a nutshell....cuz he's a nut

    simplicity is the most difficult of all things

    by RichardWoodcockII on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:18:30 AM PDT

  •  Beck is completely over the edge. And, he looks (4+ / 0-)

    like Droopy Dog on meth but he is nearly as inteligent.

    Grandma used to call me "That One" but she had twenty-something grand-kids and Alzheimers. Now, that "That one" is President!

    by duckhunter on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:19:13 AM PDT

  •  Oh I think (4+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, txdemfem, lookit, CityLightsLover

    at this point some of the fear-mongering on the left could give them a run for their money.. or perhaps it is the right that has brought their talking points over to the left.  

    Because our individual salvation depends on our collective salvation.. Barack Obama, 5-25-08

    by sherijr on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:19:37 AM PDT

  •  Violent video games are an obsession in Japan, (16+ / 0-)

    yet there is very little violence in Japanese society.  Go figure?

  •  So he's a hypocrite. (6+ / 0-)

    Are we really that surprised?

  •  This Argument Always Just Slays Me! (7+ / 0-)

    Hitler & the Nazis didn't have video games to make them evil; they were evil all on their own. Some just aren't "wired right," and 'ol Glenny sure as $hit falls into that category.

    On behalf of my entire state, I apologize for Evan Bayh!

    by CityLightsLover on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:19:54 AM PDT

  •  I hate the Beck is suddenly so popular (26+ / 0-)

    He's been doing the crazy Howard Beale schtick for quite a few years now, and he's now going mainstream thanks to Fox News giving him more exposure.

    It's the weirdest thing. Usually the more exposure a media figure has, and the bigger audience they have, they tone it down a bit. But I've watched Beck for about 3 years now and he's only gotten crazier. And I mean "crazy" like "rolling your turds into little balls" crazy. That kind.

    But if there's one solace here it's that bright starts (or really, really dim bulbs) burn out quickly. Beck has gone over the top so many times, he's got nowhere else to go. Even Republicans are beginning to laugh at him.

    "See, now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a shit taco." --- Jon Stewart, to Republicans

    by droogie6655321 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:20:00 AM PDT

  •  The Wingnuts true fear: (13+ / 0-)

    That we will remember that

    the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.  Nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror, which hampers needed efforts to convert retreat into advance

    I am for the individual over government, government over big business and the environment over all -- William O. Douglas

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:20:25 AM PDT

  •  Im getting real tired of the Beck fetish (8+ / 0-)

    can we get substance, not fearmongering.

    We moved from Rush to Beck.  WHO CARES ABOUT RIGHTWINGERS?

    SUBSTANCE!  

    "Seeing every side of the argument causes paralysis." - (paraphrased - Abbie Hoffman).

    by angry liberaltarian on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:20:30 AM PDT

    •  I care. (8+ / 0-)

      They are a cancer, and they are metastasizing.

      Radiation, stat.

      Hey, Glenn, I'll give you something to cry about.

      by The Creator on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:22:17 AM PDT

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      •  Nah, they're masturbating (1+ / 0-)
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        angry liberaltarian

        on the wave of concern from the far left and the far right. It's what egomaniacs do.

        Radiate them with dismissal.

        "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." - Gore Vidal

        by sapper on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:37:47 AM PDT

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    •  I'm starting to agree (2+ / 0-)

      I think it's important to call these people out from time to time, of course, but if we respond to every bit of hypocrisy, inconsistency, or falehood, then they will only monopolize our time.

      •  And I respectfully disagree... (6+ / 0-)
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        Debby, wishingwell, txdemfem, 0wn, Matt Z, IPLawyer

        we can talk and chew gum at the same time.  I do believe that highlighting their most bizarre behavior does have an effect on moderate, fair-minded people.  It turns them off and away from the republican party.  We can expose them and work towards positive change and good government at the same time.  When people see the contrast, they will naturally be drawn to the democrats instead of the Party of Loonies.  

        •  True, but I wish they'd condense the diaries. (2+ / 0-)
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          Fury, angry liberaltarian

          We're seeing a lot of back-to-back Beck these days.  My stomach can only handle so much ;-)

          I just think that a lot of important discussion is falling off the front page these days is all.

          •  You know what I find exhilarating? (2+ / 0-)
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            Matt Z, IPLawyer

            We can be having a discussion here in the morning and then I see that same discussion in a different format on Keith and Rachel's show at night.  Then a week later, it's on CNN and The View (doesn't say much for CNN's timeliness or relevancy, does it?)  Anyway, my point is sometimes just typing a diary or comment here has a larger influence than we know and that act alone can make a difference that is beyond what we could imagine.  As far as stomachaches, I do have my limit.  After 8 p.m., I've gotta shut it all off (except for the Daily Show) or I can't sleep at night!

            •  You are definitely right about that. (1+ / 0-)
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              Fury

              Beck has been a "worst person" quite often lately, and it is exciting to see things I've read in the comments here broadcast in the evening on those shows.

              Still, I never actually click on the clips of Beck (or O'Reilly, etc.), and appreciate that Keith and Rachel just summarize instead of re-air as well.  It makes the stomachaches a bit less intense :)

          •  This hate speech has (1+ / 0-)
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            Fury

            consequences ...Tennessee and Pittsburgh and we are two months into Obama.
            There is a direct cause and effect and it is becoming more rabid and
            dangerous. It has to be stopped.

    •  it's like the bleeping DailyBeck around here! oy (3+ / 0-)
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      Yoshimi, Wisper, angry liberaltarian

      "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance." --Sam Brown

      by PhillyGal on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:24:13 AM PDT

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      •  Pick your poison (literally) (1+ / 0-)
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        PhillyGal

        Beck or Rush or O'Reilly?  If DKos ain't obessed with something then ct needs to check the servers because the Site is DOWN.

        Thinking men can not be ruled. --Ayn Rand

        by Wisper on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:28:12 AM PDT

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      •  The silence of ideas percolating out (1+ / 0-)
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        PhillyGal

        of the key operatives at the top of the Republican Party might be a reason why.

        Michael Steele wants to be the next Michael Jackson. Eric Cantor, I have not figured out what he wants to be when he grows up. John Boehner just cries, and Mitch McConnell sounds as delusional as Michele Bachmann.

        Nature abhors a vacuum. Beck, O'Reilly, Levin, Weiner-Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, Malkin all fill the vacuum of ideas.

        That's why it's 24/7/365 with the noiz.

    •  I think I'll have to disagree. (4+ / 0-)
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      PhillyGal, liberalis, txdemfem, Matt Z

      I get your point, believe me. But there is a very good chance that one of these right wing lunatics is going to shoot our President or perform some other act of domestic terrorism.

      I think placing the blame squarely where it belongs is important work RIGHT NOW. When that day comes, I want all the blame to go right where it belongs: Everyone on Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Gingrich, Palin, Cheney, and Bachmann.

      With him from the beginning, with him until the end.

      by brooklynbadboy on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:37:16 AM PDT

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    •  can't you see the (0+ / 0-)

      cause and effect of this kind of hate speech? Tennessee, Pittsburgh... and we are only two months into Obama.

  •  Does anyone under 70 even care (5+ / 0-)

    ..what Glenn Beck "thinks?" (Using the term loosely.) The guy is an insufferable insane twit with an IQ approaching that of a gopher.

    My pissant temporal existence is better than the vast majority of the lives of most people on the planet. It's all about perspective.

    by SecondComing on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:20:38 AM PDT

  •  Hannity/Beck/Orally are the political (6+ / 0-)

    equivalent of Jerry Springer. Even more telling is the audience has probably great similarities.

  •  Dude needs to go back (2+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, Bagleille

    to the coke.  Might clear his head.

    Hey, Glenn, I'll give you something to cry about.

    by The Creator on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:21:23 AM PDT

  •  Speaking of Fear... (2+ / 0-)
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    boofdah, Amayi

    gays use thunder and lightning to destroy straight marriage!!

  •  Colbert in a gas mask, wearing diapers (20+ / 0-)

    holding a shot gun

    Once again Comedy Central scoops the traditional media with the breaking news that Glenn Beck is nuts.

  •  Conservatives understand the power of appearances (7+ / 0-)

    ...which is why they've (mis)used visual media to convey an image of machismo, popularity, and a false sense of power. The Bush/Cheney regime perfected this media manipulation to an ugly art form with its constant barrage of pictures and video clips of Our Dear Heroic Leader with just the right lighting, props, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banners, and codpieces costumes to trick the American people into believing that they had our domestic and international affairs under control. FOX "News" is an extension of the Republican media manipulation machine.

    Which is why those on the right love to project their fears of others manipulating media thusly:

    According to conservatives, everything on TV influences behavior...

    ...because they're experts at trying to get people to vote their way via their OWN images on TV.

    End the gerrymandering; stand for fairness in Florida: FairDistrictsFlorida.org

    by boofdah on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:21:58 AM PDT

  •  GTA is one of the best games ever (7+ / 0-)

    If you're going to go commit a crime because of it, there is already something seriously wrong with you...

    "Polls are like crack, political activists know they're bad for them but they read them anyways."-Unknown

    by skywaker9 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:22:49 AM PDT

    •  It is a great game. (6+ / 0-)

      It's so over the top that I laugh out loud at it.

      Hey, Glenn, I'll give you something to cry about.

      by The Creator on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:23:59 AM PDT

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    •  People tried to blame the Columbine shooters (4+ / 0-)
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      (Harris and Klebold) on the game Doom. Doom was huge at the end of the century. If it had that effect on all or most kids who played it, millions of teenagers would have perished.

      i can't watch [Obama] speak on tv for more than 5 minutes or else what he's saying starts to make sense to me. It's very scary.

      by Kimball Cross on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:29:19 AM PDT

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      •  Yes as my kid played that game a few times (3+ / 0-)
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        with friends and he is a college graduate now working for a college.

        Those shooters at Columbine were mentally unstable.
        One was on anti depressants and then he got off his medication. They had other problems besides video games and violent TV. I saw a recent documentary on Columbine and I had not realized Eric Harris' father called the police when he heard what was happening at the school and he told the cops he felt his son was involved. So, the parents were not surprised their kids were the shooters !!
        Wow!!! It shows the kids had serious problems which the school and the parents ignored or they were unable to get these kids help or something.

    •  I always knew that there was something that I (2+ / 0-)
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      skywaker9, sapper

      thought was cool about you. Now I know why -- ANYONE who says such positive things about my favorite game (and series) EVER must be cool...

      :)

      - Sammy

      Remember -- this election was NEVER about Obama -- it was about YOU.

      by SammyJames on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:33:30 AM PDT

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    •  I've never seen it, but (2+ / 0-)
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      skywaker9, SammyJames

      I want to play it as straight as possible. Like be the potential criminal guy, and get a job, maybe go into real estate, swear off alcohol, cigs and drugs.

      And then another part of me just wants to go into all the coffeeshops and shoot everybody, run over grandmothers, etc.

      And and, then there's the thing where I want to get the cops to make out. My nephews did that on GTA a while back, back when everybody was appalled at how violent it was.

      "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." - Gore Vidal

      by sapper on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:42:57 AM PDT

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      •  I wish that what you're writing is possible... (3+ / 0-)
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        skywaker9, sapper, Matt Z

        ...but sadly, the character in GTA IV has to do some pretty unseemly things. I love the game a lot, so don't get me wrong, but the Rockstar people don't give you that much latititude.

        Without putting spoilers here, let's just say that you can't buy real estate like you could in previous GTA games. That is the one thing that I didn't like about the newest epic episode.

        The other thing that I wish was possible, although I understand the limitations, is that most of the buildings in this game are not enterable. There are many fun things to do that don't involve killing people, so I'm not going to criticize the game too much. I just hope that for the next generation of hardware and software, the newest version of GTA will feature many more interiors.

        I also hope that maybe they will make it possible, as you wrote, to lead a straight and narrow life in such a virtual world. It would be interesting, because I imagine a game in which temptation is around every corner, and that always avoiding it might not always cause good things to happen. Much like in real-life.

        :)

        Take care.

        - Sammy

        Remember -- this election was NEVER about Obama -- it was about YOU.

        by SammyJames on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:51:32 AM PDT

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        •  I ordinarily despise the idea of video games, (1+ / 0-)
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          Matt Z

          but if they came out with a GTA that has an anything-can-happen sim, (meshing the Sims interactiveness with the guns-n-shit of GTA), then it would be a billion-seller.

          I'd buy it. And I despise video game crap.

          "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." - Gore Vidal

          by sapper on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:56:07 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I made the same point yesterday (5+ / 0-)
    regarding the criticism by those on the right that heavy metal is a bad influence. Glenn, that is 'Karma'. Get to know it my friend.
  •  By the way, (4+ / 0-)

    great still on that clip. It really captures the imaginary demons that are flitting around his head (in and out).

    I used to see people like him in the park everyday and I always wondered how best to help them. I admit it never occurred to me to give them a prime time show.

  •  Thank you, Hunter (4+ / 0-)

    An excellent diary. You've put words to something I have thought many times, but have not been able to articulate-at least not nearly as well as you.

    Well done, Sir.

    well, it seemed like the right thing to do at the time...

    by Thinking Fella on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:23:25 AM PDT

  •  What makes Glenn tick? (4+ / 0-)

    Something in Glenn's past must have severely traumatized him.  At some level, maybe we should feel sorry for that pathetic, sniveling, sissy.

    •  Well, according to wikipedia..... (1+ / 0-)
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      His mother committed suicide when he was a child.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      Sounds as if he had a pretty traumatic childhood.

      Currently a resident of New Canaan, Conn., Beck was born in Mount Vernon, Washington, Glenn Beck was raised a Roman Catholic. His early life was pitted with tragedies. His mother and one of his brothers-in-law committed suicide, and a sibling had a fatal heart attack.[8] He graduated from Sehome High School in Bellingham, Washington in 1982, and attended Yale University but dropped out in order to help his family with finances.[9]
      Beck is a self-described recovering alcoholic. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.
      Beck has spoken often of his religious beliefs and conversion. "God stalked me!...He had a giant baptismal rifle," Beck said. "I thwarted him. I led people astray as much as I could, but he kept putting Mormons in my way."[10]
      By his first marriage, Beck has two teenage daughters, Hannah and Mary, who has cerebral palsy. With his second wife, Tania, he has two children, Raphe (adopted in 2004) and Cheyenne (born 2006).

  •  Excellent nt (2+ / 0-)
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    What did you do with the cash Joe?

    by roguetrader2000 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:25:01 AM PDT

  •  In all fairness, I devour souls for a living. (8+ / 0-)

    Now are you going to tell me Pac Man had nothing to do with that?

  •  Anybody know of a GTA mod that puts Beck's head.. (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    liberalis, Steve Singiser, SammyJames

    on all the pedestrians?

    Mowing down crowds of people on the sidewalk would never be so cathartic.

    •  Probably... (1+ / 0-)
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      alpraz

      ...those modders are really good. Bring it up on one of the many GTA forums. Someone will do it...

      Remember -- this election was NEVER about Obama -- it was about YOU.

      by SammyJames on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:27:27 AM PDT

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      •  Even better, get all these nuts put in the game. (1+ / 0-)
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        SammyJames

        Hannity, Rush, Beck, Malkin, Coulter, Scarborough, etc.  Oh man, that would be a freaking blast.

        Maybe have the game give you an automatic $1000 for turning them into a red mist. (...note, I'm not talking about harming them in the game world, but just using red paintballs for the red mist effect.  I'm a pacifist, cough.)

        •  Oh, right... of COURSE... (1+ / 0-)
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          I would never want to see violence toward any of those people... I just want to follow them on the sidewalk... slowly, you know, not making a scene... just kind of following along... carefully, quietly...

          IN MY CAR...

          :)

          - Sammy

          Remember -- this election was NEVER about Obama -- it was about YOU.

          by SammyJames on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:57:59 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Another idea. Make them into a gang like in (0+ / 0-)

            San Andreas.  If you've played that version, you can get into gang wars (you against the entire gang).  Oh man, I beg someone to do a mod using all the righty talking head nazis.  I'd even pay for it.

            GTA5
            FOX CITY

    •  May I suggest (1+ / 0-)
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      Anybody know of a GTA mod that puts Beck's head..on all the pedestrians hookers?

      Fixed? Can we put it to a vote?

  •  If you haven't played GTA IV... (4+ / 0-)
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    sapper, Matt Z, robertoroberto, alpraz

    ...then you should know why Mr. Beck is REALLY angry.

    It is because the talk show host on WKTT sounds nothing like Glenn Beck. You read that correctly -- Beck is steamed because the voice actor is portraying Rush Limbaugh, instead of Glenn Beck.

    (I'm being 100% sarcastic and faceitious, of course.)

    But seriously... I love that game. And I LOVE the guy on the fictitious radio station, WKTT (We Know The Truth) whose name is Richard Bastion. He is too funny for words, really... "stuffing facefulls of painkillers down my hole..." et cetera...

    :)

    - Sammy

    P.S. If you like immersive games, and if you haven't tried this one yet, you must. The Rockstar North clan is just dead-on with their characterizations of American culture, through both the on-air radio personalities and the game play itself.

    Remember -- this election was NEVER about Obama -- it was about YOU.

    by SammyJames on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:26:39 AM PDT

  •  I suppose this means Beck's 9-12 Project (2+ / 0-)
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    won't lead anyone to actually do anything positive, and if anyone does he won't even dream of taking credit for having inspired anyone.

    Right?

    Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

    by RickMassimo on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:27:02 AM PDT

  •  Don't forget Mr. Rogers was a root of problems to (5+ / 0-)

    This diary earlier today covered how Fox News promoted an allegation in 2007 that Mr. Rogers was a cause of the narcissism in college students.

    The finance professor making the allegation and Fox News armchair psychologists totally miss the mark: They mistake narcissism with positive self-esteem. There's a world of difference between the two concepts.

    In disentangling the two concepts, Rosenthal aims to clear self-esteem’s good name. ... "Narcissism is not a kind of self-esteem," Rosenthal says. "Equating confident people with narcissistic people is like equating happy and manic and then saying, ‘Well, maybe happiness isn’t such a good thing after all.’"
    ...
    In fact, psychologists believe narcissism—a diagnosable personality disorder whose symptoms include an exaggerated sense of self-worth, feelings of superiority over other people, a sense of entitlement, a willingness to exploit others, and a lack of empathy—is associated with parents who are cold and rejecting, not overly attentive and doting. Because narcissists didn’t get enough positive reinforcement as children, they need to prop up their egos with their own boasting and others’ adoration.

    Heh, which recent presidential cowboy does that remind me of?

    If that Fox News show was an old SNL skit (Fox News should be that credible), Emily Litella would have to appear and say, "Never mind."

    The current GOP is similar to a fungus in that while both are alive, it's just hard to prove it. -Craig Shirley

    by sawgrass727 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:27:19 AM PDT

  •  Isn't Flux Noose (1+ / 0-)
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    a network dedicated to making the world more of a videogame?

    I know what I think when I flip onto Flux and Friends: Doom.

    "Half of the American people never read a newspaper. Half never vote for President. One hopes it is the same half." - Gore Vidal

    by sapper on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:27:36 AM PDT

  •  From poisoning the creme brulee (3+ / 0-)

    to the bombing of Coit Tower and the crazed rants of Congresswomen and weept tears of Beck, it seems as if right wing blowhards get a free pass every time.

    Their mantra?

    "Just a Joke."

    "We're just entertainers".

    Meanwhile, there's a class of people who hang on every word they say, and use them as justification for committing criminal acts.

    At what point does jurisprudence step into this morass and say 'enough'? Or is any attempt to stifle this narrative a direct violation of free speech?

    Right now, the way the law is interpreted, crossing that line requires a lot. I prefer it that way, as ugly as it is, I prefer to maintain our standards of free speech.

    So perhaps in this instance, it's not law that is the answer. Perhaps the answer is in the marketplace.

    And surely the answer is in the ballot box.

  •  Potato Day Horrors. (2+ / 0-)
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    .
     Two (2) things:

     First, see Jon Stewart's broadcast from last night on "Baracknophobia" and the insidious threat of Potato Day.

     Second, I believe this bears repeating (and repeating, and repeating):

              "The normal American of the 'pure-blooded' majority goes to rest every night with an uneasy feeling that there is a burglar under the bed, and he gets up every morning with a sickening fear that his underwear has been stolen.

          "This Anglo-Saxon of the great herd is, in many important respects, the least civilized of white men and the least capable of true civilization.  His political ideas are crude and shallow.  His is almost wholly devoid of esthetic feeling.  The most elementary facts about the visible universe alarm him, and incite him to put them down.  Educate him, make a professor of him, teach him how to express his soul, and he still remains palpably third-rate.  He fears ideas almost as much as he fears men. . . ."

          H.L. Mencken

          1923

    .  

      The more things change, eh?

    bg

    "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove." -- P.G. Wodehouse (via Bertie Wooster)

    by BenGoshi on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:28:06 AM PDT

  •  possibly true.. (1+ / 0-)
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    Couple of years ago when Grand Theft Auto 3 came out I think I spent from 9pm friday to monday morning playing it..solid, no breaks, red bull and kicking ass.   When I got into the car the next morning I had the urge to just start smashing everything in sight..  my head was so tuned into the game that I nearly ignored a red light.  

    lucky thing the local police didn't try pulling me over because that would have been a fatal decision.. not just to them but to all sorts of innocent pedestrians as well :-)

    Brothers and sisters, the name of the game is power. If you ain't playing for power you're in the wrong place.

    by soros on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:31:32 AM PDT

  •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

    I just love how he tried to take attention off himself. It's so transparent, Glenn.

    To err is human. To forgive, divine.

    by Highwind on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:31:41 AM PDT

  •  To steal a title from a great CBC Radio Program (0+ / 0-)
    This is the Age of Pursuasion.

    You cannot tell me that words with meanings do not affect peoples opinion.  Especially when spoken by the "talking heads" of the media.

    Furthermore, the advertisers of Beck's program obviously believe that purchasing time during his program is well worth the investment... to "pursuade" people to buy things or do things or whatever.  You cannot tell me that the content of his program does not have at least the same effect.  (if not more)

    The guy isnt there to talk to himself.  He is there to affect and influence as many people as possible.  His words have influence.

    He can say that it cannot be proven that they do.  But actually it cannot be proven that they don't.  And if they don't and his program has no impact, then why advertise during it.  

  •  email his sponser david.friend@carbonite.com (1+ / 0-)
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    JC from IA

    and stamps.com

    I love the smell of exploding heads on Faux News in the morning....smells like...smells like.....

    by surfdog on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:33:17 AM PDT

  •  Well done, Hunter. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Plubius, JC from IA

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

    by royce on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:34:22 AM PDT

  •  ?? (0+ / 0-)

    We're all bashing Glen Beck here for his contradictory opinion here, considering he's supposedly a libertarian but wants to outlaw what we choose to do in our free time, but yet both democrats and republicans have supported age limits on games and attempts to ban games such as GTA. Whenever a new GTA comes out it becomes popular in Congress to speak out about how society is corrupt blah blah and we need to stop it. It's both those with the (D) and the (R) saying it. I can link you to these same type of comments made by Jim Matheson and many others such as shock Hillary Clinton. I'd name republicans as well but I already expect the fake conservatives to oppose it like they oppose everything we do in our private life.

  •  Careful about correlation (2+ / 0-)
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    Correlation does not imply causation, dude.  Calling it a "proven connection" is dangerous, irresponsible, and unfair.  Don't be as bad as Beck is.

  •  Not Just Proven Connection (0+ / 0-)

    But also: predictable outcome.

    Which is why the real bastards at the gate on this one are the guys at the top.  You can buy blowhards.

    But the real fearmonsters are people like Rupert Murdoch, doin' it for the money...

    And Roger Ailes, doin' it 'cause he can.

  •  They light the fuse and walk away (4+ / 0-)

    ... whistling.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, March 4, 1937

    by Pangloss on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:37:49 AM PDT

  •  Beck's underselling the game somewhat.. he makes (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sapper, WI Dem

    it seem like your only option is to beat her to death with a baseball bat. You have lots of options to choose from - grenades, machine guns, hunting knives...

    But seriously, i'm sure when Tetris and Pong came out there were Conservatives blaming the amorphous blocks for the spike in homicides. Beck should take his concern and speak more about gun posession. Oh that's right Beck is one of those gun nuts who thinks that everyone should own one. You know what else increased after world war 2, Mr. Beck? GUN SALES! You complete and utter moron. What is the only common denominator in all the recent shootings? Guns. Take em away. That's right, Cons, and whack jobs, we're coming for your guns. It's the only way you'll learn.

    Now, let me get back to my homicidal rampage on Grand Theft Auto, will you?

  •  We need more Beck. (2+ / 0-)
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    txdemfem, wyvern

    Seriously. Garbage festers in neglected places. For too long, the MSM has consistently ignored the right wing echo chamber. Up until this point, only comedians, critics, and true believers willingly venture into the shitpit. Lacking the kind of scrutiny that normally forces people to check their worst insanity at the door, the blowhards' rhetoric has grown increasingly extreme and fringe.

    We know how bugfuck crazy it is, because we pay attention. I don't think the vast majority of people do, otherwise they'd be up in arms. That's why they need to see this. If it were up to me, the news would be saturated with Beck and Rush 24/7 just so the sane and rational will know what the hell is going on, and heap the appropriate amount of scorn.

    Will the FOX news crowd be butthurt about this? Sure. Will they try to turn it into a culture war? Definitely. Should we care? Hell no. Last I checked, America is a democracy. The wingers are extra-loud to make up for the fact that 1)they have nothing of substance to say and 2)they're in the minority and they fucking know it. For all their talk of uprising and revolution, they'll never follow through because they know if they're ever brought out into the sunlight, they'll see just how much of a minority they really represent.

    We surround them.

    May your anger be righteous.

    by bottlerocketheart on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:38:19 AM PDT

  •  does someone out there know how to (0+ / 0-)

    submit this to Digg?

  •  What do you expect? (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    WI Dem, JC from IA

    He thinks that Bauer guy is real. His foriegn policy opinions come from 24.

  •  I tend to agreee with some of the points (0+ / 0-)

    Beck made tonight.

    Of course, he is not the guy to talk about these things in a serious way.

    I´m eating and eating all day long now, and hopefully soon I´ll be too big to fail.

    by Mariken on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:38:44 AM PDT

  •  I believe they know exactly what they are doing.. (3+ / 0-)

    But they don't believe that "news reporters" constantly questioning whether the president is really loyal or not to this country might cause some people to take violent action against that president?

    They ARE trying to incite violence and this is merely an attempt to stage the scene so they can blame video games when their efforts are successful.

    They are dangerous...nor stupid...just clever and underhanded.  Their bubble has burst and they want revenge.

    The use of "disinformation" is a technique used to cloud issues and prevent accurate information from being presented.  

    "As long as the world shall last there will be wrongs, and if no man objected and no man rebelled, those wrongs would last forever." -- Clarence Darrow

    by Bluedoc on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:39:26 AM PDT

  •  even while protesting, Beck covered his ass (5+ / 0-)
    Anybody notice that Beck "debunked" his crazy FEMA-concentration-camp story on Monday... after letting a month of YouTube-ness go by where he swore he'd investigated it intending to debunk it and then said he COULDN'T?  

    But after a whackjob kid shoots some cops and it's mentioned that he was very into Beck's "FEMA camp" story and presumably thought the cops might haul him off to one, Beck's suddenly able to produce a guy to debunk it.

    Basically this is an 11th-hour attempt to portray himself as a "responsible journalist" and cover his ass against allegations of influence on crazy people.  Talk about closing the barn door after the horses have gotten out.

    And I wonder if the debunking will get around to all those people who've been buying into the conspiracy theory for a whole month.  Chances are they won't see it...

    "Oh, you're agnostic, you think there COULD be a Batman, you just don't know." - Doug Stanhope

    by Front Toward Enemy on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:39:27 AM PDT

  •  Where does Beck get his statistics? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JC from IA

    I'm just guessing here, but I'd bet he's just making them up.

    And what is a "firing rate" anyway?  I always thought that it had to with how fast a weapon fired and was measured in rounds per minute.  That's not what Beck is talking about but he doesn't really explain it.  It's certainly not the percentage of bullets that hit their targets.  I really think Beck is just making it up.

    I also love how he confuses correlation with causation (as in the case of television and homicide rates).
    He's referring to a 1992 article by Brandon Centerwall which has been debunked.  Centerwall doesn't explain how homicide rates have decreased in countries (such as the U.S.) even as the level of violent content has increased.

    •  From that clip, I'd have to say a CNN staffer (0+ / 0-)
    •  Pretty sure he pulls them out of his (0+ / 0-)

      ..um, nether regions.

      My pissant temporal existence is better than the vast majority of the lives of most people on the planet. It's all about perspective.

      by SecondComing on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:19:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  He means getting soldiers to acually fire (0+ / 0-)

      on the enemy. I've heard those figures before but I don't know where they come from.

      The purpose of bootcamp is to break down the soldier's social conditioning and replace it with the military's social code. Just giving a recruit a gun and ordering him to kill doesn't work. As I understand it in WWII many soldiers on the front line simply would not fire on the enemy, or they would pretend to by deliberately shooting over their heads.

      We've also discovered that it matters what kind of family they come from. Young men from urban areas where families are broken and more dysfunctional do relatively poorly in combat than those from families with better parenting.

      Violence in video games is still controversial. For me, I believe that violent imagery does cause an increase in violent acting out in young children but not in older adolescents and adults. That's why I support ratings systems for violent content in all media. 12 year old boys should be allowed to play GTA IV or watch Saw. Some things are only for adults.

      For that reason I'm not as worried about the violent rhetoric coming from the right today. It isn't going to make the average person become more violent. Although it will effect those who are already emotionally unstable.

      "Unless you can fake sincerity, you'll get nowhere in this business."

      by MnplsLiberal on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:54:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  And now for a serious comment: (2+ / 0-)
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    JC from IA, CoExistNow

    The hypocrisy of these people is shameful. For Glenn Beck to at once criticize Obama for being pro-gun-control, and then turning around and giving the finger to millions of gamers is sickening. I don't understand these people.

    These are the SAME PEOPLE who love nukes, hate gays, and hate abortion. But gays can't HAVE kids, so they don't HAVE abortions. And they want to kill everyone, yet they want to "preserve life." IT MAKES NO SENSE!!!

    All of this reinforces my view that they want everything their way, even if that means wanting contradictory things!

    I just don't understand it. Does not compute... does not compute... does not --

    BTPTHH...*

    Remember -- this election was NEVER about Obama -- it was about YOU.

    by SammyJames on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:39:47 AM PDT

  •  The question is: (1+ / 0-)
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    island in alabama

    At what point does this bloviating become the equivalent of crying 'Fire' in the crowded theater?  We have always had certain un-crossable lines regarding free speech, haven't we?

    Where are they. again?

    •  here's the legal standard (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      JC from IA

      The great break came in the Court's 1969 decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio. There the Court said the government could not take action against a member of the Ku Klux Klan, who said, among other things, "We're not a revengent organization, but if our President, our Congress, our Supreme Court, continues to suppress the white, Caucasian race, it's possible that there might have to be some revengence taken." The speaker did not explicitly advocate illegal acts or illegal violence. But in its decision, the Court announced a broad principle, ruling that the right to free speech does "not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

      Offering extraordinarily broad protection to political dissent, the Court required the government to meet three different criteria to regulate speech. First, the speaker must promote not just any lawless action but "imminent" lawless action. Second, the imminent lawless action must be "likely" to occur. Third, the speaker must intend to produce imminent lawless action ("directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action"). The Brandenburg test borrows something from Hand and something from Holmes and produces a standard even more protective of speech than either of theirs.

      Cass Sunstein

      "Torture is the tool of the lazy, the stupid, and the pseudo-tough...the greatest recruiting tool that the terrorists have." Maj Gen Paul Eaton

      by whitewidow on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:26:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Um Crazy Conservative you SOUND like a liberal (0+ / 0-)

    because I have heard this more from LIBERALS than conservatives.  We are the ones that site that psychological study that cite when little children view violence they are more likely to be violent.

    OH and Beck WE, my husband and I -- and we are LIBERAL - do NOT allow GTA in our house - WE NEVER HAVE.  We don't also don't allow guns in our house, or the hitting of a person.

    We don't believe in torture (your side does) because it's part of the same package.

    Becky/Becka/Becks GTA?  You've got crazies (and many are teens and young adults) watching your show, taking in and internalizing what you are saying, pumping them up - you don't tamp it down... you are NOT pointing out the exits - that would mean you are defusing what they are thinking and feeling

    You are giving steriods and hoping for ROID RAGE.

    There is not enough water to wash the blood off your hands, and there may well be more.

    I've yet to hear you cry for the children of those 3 dead officers.

    Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education. - FDR

    by Clytemnestra on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:40:11 AM PDT

  •  That Creepy Chryon (3+ / 0-)
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    SecondComing, ekthesy, liberalis

    That little logo on the bottom right. WTF? What is that, looks like a nuclear radiation symbol. And it pulses.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:41:19 AM PDT

  •  I believe that the right wing pundits and (3+ / 0-)

    hacks truly represent where the Republican Party is today.

    Engage someone who drinks the Kool-Aid for longer than 5 minutes, and you quickly get down to brass tacks. In order for the a logical person to support the current Republican viewpoints on the economy, on ethics and moral issues, on foreign relations and national defense, one must be delusional and/or ignorant.

    Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Beck, Coulter, Levin et al - they really do accurately represent Republican thought.

    The political leaders are incapable of formatting anything that breaks out of the mold of the right winger's wet dream of a talk show host.

    What we need to do as a community is to keep tying the right wing pundits as closely as possible to every Republican in office or running for office.

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      During the final months of the election, I'd visit The Corner over on National Review Online and the blog posts among the journalists (I use that term loosely) got more and more crazy about Obama. These were supposedly "mainstream" journalists who were buying into the birther theories, Obama being a closet-Muslim-Black Panther-Socialist-traitor, without the slightest appearance of any self-reflection as to the craziness of what they were really espousing.

      They drove Frum and Buckley away with this nuttiness. And to their credit, these two along with Douthat have spoken out. But too many "so-called" sober/rational minds have remained silent and I'd include every Republican member in Congress in that list.

      If we don't speak out and make this an issue, then we're complicit too with our silence. Hoping it will go away assumes that there's a level of lunacy out there that once breached, will make this kind of rabid speech no longer tenable.

      I think this is quite possible. My fear, though, is which violent act is going to be the breaking point.

      "The white race is the domineering race, which is why I'm voting for McClain." Anonymous voter on NPR

      by txdemfem on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:16:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Very Well Written (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    JC from IA

    Very true, and very scary.

  •  I'm waiting for the fear mongering rightwing (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, The Creator

    to start saying Kingdom Hearts teaches how to kill people with keys or how people can turn keys into Key Blades... Got damn the fear mongering right wing are too stupid especially Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity competing for first place on my list.

    Rush Limbaugh isn't just all mouth an no action. He's also all lard and Oxycontin that took shape in the form of a brain.

    by Bagleille on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:43:32 AM PDT

  •  You obviously missed the Teletubbies episode (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Matt Z, The Creator

    in which Lala and Tinky Winky take Dipsy's (the macho one) guns away because he threatened Po with it.

    Or the Sponge Bob where Patrick and Squidward get sent to an Obama Re-education camp.

    "Everyone needs the love of the common man." T. Rundgren

    by mungley on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:43:39 AM PDT

  •  We need to expose this hypocrisy (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    shpilk, The Creator

    24/7/365.  I wrote a diary about these whack jobs on the right the other night on Texas Kaos and The Burnt Orange Report - thanks in no small part to information I learned right here on DK.

    http://www.texaskaos.com/...

    http://www.burntorangereport.com/...

  •  The Answer to Bad Corporate Speech is More (2+ / 0-)
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    corporate speech.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:45:04 AM PDT

  •  They act so macho (2+ / 0-)
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    but they are afraid of EVERYTHING, even cartoons.

    That oughta fucking tell you all you need to know.

    Hey, Glenn, I'll give you something to cry about.

    by The Creator on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:45:14 AM PDT

  •  Enough with the Beck stuff. (1+ / 0-)
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    I never see the guy, and would not know he existed, were it not for the fact that Daily Kos seems intent on becomming the 24/7 all Beck all the time website.  Why do we give these people the satisfaction of being their echo chamber?

  •  Sigh (1+ / 0-)
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    It seems hardly an outrageous presumption that some among their listeners will internalize the message of President Obama as traitor, and non-conservatives as enemies... and then act upon those beliefs with violence, either planned or spontaneous. Given the expanding list of examples of just that, in fact, it seems a proven connection.

    J. Edgar Hoover used to make the same arguments about pornography.

  •  Beck is just an idiot (1+ / 0-)
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    plain and simple.  No wonder Fox has him on the air now.  They are the classic nutjob station.

  •  Either media influences or it doesn't... (0+ / 0-)

    and that would include video games.  If it doesn't influence than explain to me why corporations and candidates advertise in media?

    "...America can change. Our union can be perfected." President-Elect Barack Obama

    by Jack Dublin on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:49:43 AM PDT

  •  Hunter - you are awesome! (0+ / 0-)

    I've seen the future and I've left it behind - Ozzy

    by bejammin075 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:49:46 AM PDT

  •  Why are we hyperventilating about Glen Beck? (2+ / 0-)
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    Who made him a monolith?  His actual viewership is only a fraction of Catie Couric on CBS.  What makes him such a threat?  

    He should be marginalized as a fringe wingnut.  That is where he belongs.

  •  This is getting ABSURD (1+ / 0-)
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    Glenn Beck is now featured on this website everyday; several times per day.  ENOUGH.  We are only helping him, not somehow hurting him.  He probably doesn't believe the crap he peddles any more than we do.  The only difference is he does so for ratings and advertising revenue.  
    Seriously, stop doing this idiot favors.  If I wanted up to the minute checkups on Fox News maniacs, I could go to MediaMatters.org - a great site, but the one we should turn to when we want updates on conservative echo chambers, not Kos.  

    •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

      Glenn Beck et al don't care whether we LIKE them, as long as we WATCH them. The same is true for advertizers. They see a bunch of negative email about the program they are sponsoring and all that they see are a lot of viewers watching their ads.

    •  Calling-out Right Wingnut fear/hate-mongering- (2+ / 0-)
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      .
       is a good and worthy thing for Daily Kos to be doing.  

       As long as the steady sludge of this hate and fear is being pumped into the popular stream of American consciousness by Right Wing lunatics, pushing-back on that and calling-out these dangerous freaks for their daily attempts to incite violence is a good use of this nationally-recognized blog.

       bg
      ________________

      "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove." -- P.G. Wodehouse (via Bertie Wooster)

      by BenGoshi on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:02:59 AM PDT

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    •  He is doing us the favor (0+ / 0-)

      because his faults are so obvious, his manner so odious, and his content so despicable he is an easy target.  

      And easy target for we Dems to remind us just why we are, despite our differences, united.

      And an easy target for the rest of America get just how un-American the detestable Republican party  really is.

      I love Glenn Beck. I could not have dreamt up a better Straw Man, and there he is, daily, exposing himself to the general public in all his contemptible glory.

  •  YALE? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU! (0+ / 0-)

    Bush AND this guy? Sorry, you should have your status as a school revoked.

  •  You are right, although this phony wuss (1+ / 0-)
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    is not likely to push many people's buttons, there is no doubt that the time will come that he will encourage just those one or two losers, and after whatever killing spree they will find this phony's videos and literature at his residence, all catalogued and indexed. The chickenshit about violent videos is just a smoke screen, and a poor one at that.

    And his MO and Fux Noise is really about feeding the chipped shoulder of the Repukes who have gotten their asses kicked the last two elections and can't handle being a minority. Stewart nailed it last night as well.

    Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. Robert A. Heinlein

    by gereiztkind on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:56:09 AM PDT

  •  Pathetic (0+ / 0-)

    It is really, really pathetic of Glenn Beck to be saying something of this nature now that the consequences of his actions are being brought to light.  I know, hell, we all know that Beck would be one of the first Fox luminaries to dump on any psychologist who would suggest that the Pittsburgh Cop Killer did so because of a steady diet of violent video games. I could almost hear the sarcasm dripping from Beck's mouth as he blasted someone for suggesting the same thing that he is now suggesting.

    What video games specifically, Glenn?  Which ones promote racism and anti-Semitism?  None that I know of Glenn.  Glenn, you dumb bastard, the clips from your shows are evidence enough that you are perfectly, and diabolically capable of arousing the lunatic fringe element of your listeners into performing despicable acts of violence.  

    Glenn, you moron, please read - or have one of the people on your staff who can read - the front page of today's Pittsburgh Post Gazette.  Read, or have somebody read to you, the article specifically relating to the Pittsburgh Cop Killer as showing no remorse, the only remorse he displayed was that the officer he wounded did not die - he thought he had killed at least 5 cops!!!  Also, this lunatic thought that the first two officers he shot were pretending to be dead, so he pumped more rounds into them!!!  Lastly, the only reason he surrendered to the police was so he could one day write a book from prison about his experiences.

    Glenn, you can try to rationalize, you can call any number of far right wing guests on to try and prop you up, but you have done a terrible wrong.

    EMBA30

  •  Wha wha wha wha wha (1+ / 0-)
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    It's fucking Glenn Beck - who gives a shit!

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

    by ctexrep on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:58:30 AM PDT

  •  Conservative pastiche (2+ / 0-)
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    There has been a great number of pixels spilled over Glenn Beck and friends lately.  These guys really have nothing to say, at least nothing the John Birch Society wasn't saying 50 years ago.  What we have is essentially a pastiche of the old conservatism- a cobbled together imitation that exists to defend and sell the wealth accumulation of the very rich.  It is just incoherent name calling with little ideology behind it besides money-making. The conservative base is no longer made up of crypto-racists, committed anti-communists or hopeful evangelicals.  It is made up of dead-enders, hysterics and the poorly informed.  

  •  Beck claims (1+ / 0-)
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    that the murder rate in America went up in the 1950's after the introduction of TV.

    BTW, Statistically, there are fewer murders per 100,000 people today than in 1900...  It's just we have more people....

    But where did he get that stat?

    -6.13 -4.4 Where are you? Take the Test!!!

    by MarciaJ720 on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 08:59:55 AM PDT

  •  is BECK actually sane? (1+ / 0-)
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    with Hannity and Limbo you can tell its AN ACT...  I am sure they believe some of the crap they push but its basically a scripted ACT with them but its harder to believe its all an ACT with Glenn 'crybaby fraidycat' Beck...  it seems more like he is a bit mentally unhinged to me... slightly less than 'all there' and seriously in need of emotional counseling or horomone therapy or both.

    perhaps we should counter the crazy wingnut move to demand to see concrete (?) proof of Obama's American birth with a movementr to demand to see credible proof of the sanity of the people who are allowed to spew oops I mean USE our airwaves... starting with Beck.

    Either show us a certified document proclaiming GLENN BECK to be SANE...or remove him from our airwaves ASAP.

    becoming educated is now a Patriotic Act, our President said so!

    by KnotIookin on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:00:06 AM PDT

  •  Did he call our troops cowards? (0+ / 0-)

    I seriously doubt that troops on the front lines of World War I or World War II had trouble fighting.

    And by his tortured reasoning is the blame for this violent culture not video games but, in fact, the warmongering and the military?

  •  Did Hitler play video games? Did the Inquisition? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Personally, I much prefer Jeff Beck. (0+ / 0-)

    I've been in love since "Wired" came out.

  •  There are many comments here that (2+ / 0-)
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    suggest Beck should be ignored and that his audience is small and that we're just giving him more attention.
     This article in the NYT says his audience is 2.3 million and growing.
      I work with people that take his fear-mongering lies as gospel.
      IMO, he should be called out on every one of them and should get as much negative attention as possible. Reasonable people on both sides of the aisle should be made to hear how crazy this guy really is.  

    "Finally, a guy who says what people who aren't thinking are thinking!"--Jon Stewart, referring to Crazy Glenn Beck

    by jnhobbs on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:05:42 AM PDT

  •  Beck is deflecting (0+ / 0-)

    Of course he knows he is influencing the behavior of his  audience...that is his one and only goal. He is now deflecting the blame for inciting the crazy people to MURDER to video games to get the attention off himself.

    I have said on another thread and will continue to say this is no longer funny.
    It is no longer simply discourse. People are dead. Dead. And Beck and Hannity and Rush are directly responsible. They don't have the balls to do anything themselves, but the have and will continue to deliberately push the button.

    It is time they were charged with treason.

  •  So, um, why does dkos care about Beck so much? nt (0+ / 0-)

    Guide to my comments: When in doubt, assume sarcasm.

    by Gray on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:07:59 AM PDT

  •  Nice Work, Kos & Hunter on keeping the pressure (0+ / 0-)

    Keep it up on Beck and Fox News on their faux rage and ginning-up hatred and violence against Obama simply because they CANNOT accept the fact that they LOST!

    The fact that Fox News is SPONSORING the "tea party" baloney events next week to protest OBAMA is proof that they need to be taken to task more now than ever before.
    Help us all by contacting Beck and the FNC sponsors here.

  •  Make Liberalism illegal? (1+ / 0-)
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    This is what gets me: when people listen to that crap, they have to be wondering "why do they allow Liberals to live much less walk around in the open?". They are being told that Democrats (and our President) are traitors, child-molesters (because that's what gay rights leads to didn't you know), gun-haters, want to start 're-education' camps, hate and freedom in general and hard-working Americans in particular, on and on and on.

    What kind of conversation is it when one side says "no, we disagree with you" and the other side replies "you're a traitor who doesn't deserve to live"?

    It's so over-the-top that it's like being told - daily - that the government and 75% of the country are criminals who just need to be arrested or executed. Don't the listeners wonder about that? Don't they wonder why camps haven't been formed to round up traitorous liberals? Or why the 'government' isn't rounding up 'hard working' people and shooting them? Curious why day-to-day reality is nothing like what they're told? It's uncanny.

    That there aren't MORE wack-jobs out there shooting "librul traitors" is actually surprising.

    I hope hope hope that this latest violence isn't just the tip of a horrible ice-berg.

  •  ”Me thinks thou protest too much” (0+ / 0-)

    I see Beck started by blaming the Airline attendants.
    Now it is the video games.
    Anyone and anything but your own words.
    Sure Mr. Beck typical GOP rhetoric.

  •  As usual - Jon Stewart NAILS it! (3+ / 0-)

       Stewart: Yes, tyranny. A.K.A. our democratically elected President. You know what guys....I think you might be confusing tyranny with losing. And I feel for you because ah...I've been there. A few times. In fact one of them was a bit of a nail biter. But see, when the guy that you disagree with gets elected, he's probably going to do things you disagree with. He could cut taxes on the wealthy. Remove government's oversight capability. Invade a country that you thought should not be invaded but that's not tyranny. That's democracy.

       See now you're in the minority. It's supposed to taste like a s#%t taco. And by the way, if I remember correctly when a disagreement was expressed about that President's actions when ya'll were in power I believe the response was "Why do you hate America?". "Watch what you say." "Love it or leave it." "Suck on my truck nuts."

       For god's sake guys. You've been out of power for ten f*%#ng weeks. You've got a mid-term election in twenty months. Pace your rage!

    "Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Blue VA on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:09:01 AM PDT

  •  Who are Beck's advertisers? (0+ / 0-)

    I want a list of all of Glenn Beck's corporate sponsors so I can give each and every one of them a few choice words. We can't put duct tape across Beck's mouth because that would be against his free speech rights. But that doesn't mean his sponsors can go around pushing his tripe on the airwaves without getting some of that crap spilled on their reputations.

    I don't mind him and Rush being the ugly face of the GOP. But I do mind when they go to the level of endangering peoples' lives with their crap. It's time to connect his sponsors brands with the stuff he spouts and the dangerous incidents he is directly causing. I don't think he will find many sponsors to keep his show on the air other than the NRA.

    Nuff Said...

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:11:21 AM PDT

  •  Some... (0+ / 0-)

    ...believe that God comes closer to us, sometimes, and, sometimes, we go closer to him. Assuredly for me, this is one of those times, but I'm not sure which.

    The primary argument of a right-wing "peaceful protester" is the end of a gun barrel. They would say that the 2nd amendment protects their right to a have a gun and to use it if they feel threatened.

    How does one argue with that insanity when the voices in their heads are filtered only by a background of fear-mongering on FOX and rabble-rousing from Congressman Michelle Bachmann who tells them she "wants them to get armed and dangerous," or their kids might get sent to a FEMA re-education camp?

    wtf.... I'm sane, and we're all f**ked....on the left, the right and the center.

    First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -M.Gandhi

    by ezdidit on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:14:32 AM PDT

    •  Bachmann's an interesting case. (2+ / 0-)
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      You can see that her ego is getting fed to overflowing and she just has no control over how crazy she'll get in chasing the adoring praise from the the wingnuts.  I imagine she'll cross a line before long where she'll get slapped back to what passes for reality.  
      Let's just hope no one gets hurt too bad when she does.

      Why can't I free your doubtful mind and melt your cold cold heart. ~ H. Williams

      by Andhakari on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:36:01 AM PDT

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      •  she said: "get armed and dangerous"... (1+ / 0-)
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        If that is not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, I don't know what is.

        I would suspect that she's gotten a call from FBI or Secret Service, but then again, maybe they just leave nutbags like her the hell alone.

        Southern Poverty Law Center has an interesting map of known hate groups in the United States, so take a look at this if you need to curl your hair: it's a map and chart on attached files with names and places, hateful events and dispositions of hate doers.

        First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win. -M.Gandhi

        by ezdidit on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 11:53:19 AM PDT

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  •  He’s a clown. (0+ / 0-)

    I hope most of his audience is watching for entertainment value, you know like the circus, and the true believers are under supervision.  

  •  Why the silence from the right? (1+ / 0-)
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    Lots of massacre-perpetrators do seem to be using right-wing explanations for murdering people, and Michael Savage, Glen Beck and Michelle Bachman are saying nothing to dissuade them - why not?

    Wouldn't it be good PR for Bachman to say in categorical terms that "true conservatism can win on our ideas [or whatever], and we strongly condemn these acts of violence."?

    Why haven't the usual suspects jumped on this and very publicly condemned it?

    You can be sure that if some lefty nutjob did something appalling, the left would be condemning him and his acts to anyone who would listen. Why the silence from the right?

    Reasonable conclusions? The right wing hates Obama enough to want him dead, and liberals-in-general enough to want them dead.

    I've got you out-numbered, one to one! -- Yosemite Sam

    by mftalbot on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:21:22 AM PDT

  •  For all of those opposed (1+ / 0-)
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    to discussing Beck, what do you think made him defensive Monday night after the police shootings? A crisis of conscience? Hell, no. It was Fox's legal department telling him to take back his crazy conspiracy theory about FEMA camps and to tone the lunatic talk down. And this was in response to posting on sites including Daily Kos where people actually made the connection between the shooter and Beck's FEMA camp conspiracy theory.

    The only way to stop Bect et al is to expose their hate mongering. Silence has never been an effective method of fighting back.

    If you don't like the diaries about Beck, don't read them. I think they're a public service.

    "The white race is the domineering race, which is why I'm voting for McClain." Anonymous voter on NPR

    by txdemfem on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:22:30 AM PDT

  •  Listening to Beck talk about America is like... (3+ / 0-)
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    listening to Tom Cruise talk about scientology.  Does anyone agree?

    •  I'm uncomfortable with the metaphor (0+ / 0-)

      since Cruise has more "ownership" with Scientology than Beck does with America, but I understand that you're referring more to the simpering style than the subject.

      Why can't I free your doubtful mind and melt your cold cold heart. ~ H. Williams

      by Andhakari on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:30:00 AM PDT

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  •  SELF-EXTINCTION (0+ / 0-)

    Today's GOP is a genetically and or psychologically deviant mélange of morally and ethically damaged mutants, miscreants and kamikaze loyalists who are crashing and burning all things Republican. They are the figurative buzzards and hyenas fighting over the last scraps of a carcass riddled with maggots and festering clumps of putrefied viscera. They are the opportunistic parasites whose very existence is and always has been dependent on sucking blood from the engorged bellies of alpha predators. The prevalence of fear, paranoia, and irrational hatred in today’s GOP represents the antemortem gasps of a doomed species struggling to survive in evaporating pools of their own toxic waste as they mercilessly slice and dice one another in futile attempts to be a big fish in an increasingly smaller and smaller pond.

  •  Mere video games! (0+ / 0-)

    How could playing with a TV screen influence anything?  Videogames are so insignificant!  And some on the internet would even say that just looking at a TV screen can influence behavior!  Loons!

    You know, Glenn Beck isn't completely wrong here.  Mostly wrong, sure, but not completely wrong.  I don't think he realizes that it's the other way around, that the violent instincts come from us in the first place and that there have been violent, sexualized thugs since the dawn of humankind.  My theory is that things like GTA don't make people do anything, but, like he said, make it easier for people who want to do something to do it.  If I really want to steal cars, playing GTA for a while might help me actually have the willpower to push the triangle button on a car to take it from someone.  If I don't really want to steal cars, GTA won't affect me.

    My actual point is that videogames are not "mere", and I am offended by that remark.  There is nothing "mere" about them, and describing them as such is an insult to all of the people who take them seriously (which, if you believe Glenn Beck, which you may not, includes the Pentagon).  If you want to drip contempt from your fangs, drip it at Glenn Beck, not at gamers.  He actually deserves it.

  •  Yes Glenn, (0+ / 0-)

    whatever did happen to Pong?

  •  Civil War (1+ / 0-)
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    There is a civil war coming people...  The right has nowhere to go, physically or ideologically.  These people are not going away.  When you hear them talking about US sovereignty again you will know its close.  They are arming as we speak, just look at the Obama's effect at gun shops across the country.  We have seen what the beginning of unfettered conservative governance is like.  We are living the results of it now.  They will never accept responsibility for, or disclose the true form of their desired method of governing.  We will have a new civil war over the same issues the first one was fought over.  These people are not going away.  And they are fanning the flames.

  •  How did TV cause an uptick (0+ / 0-)

    in murder rates when we were all home watching TV?!

    I don't like violent video games and so you know what? We don't have them in the house. I'm the parent. I'm in charge. I also don't like stupid right wing ideology so you know what? We don't have it in the house.

    There's a reason Democrats won massively the last two cycles, and it wasn't because people were desperate for "bipartisanship". --kos

    by Debby on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 11:26:03 AM PDT

  •  Ummm... (1+ / 0-)
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    I doubt anyone will notice this comment, but we are heading to a Very Bad Place with these people.  If a charismatic enough individual comes forward to lead them, I think they will end up shooting at us.

    They've done it before -- in 1860.  As Lincoln noted in his inauguration, he didn't know what more the federal government could do to convince Southerners that it meant to leave them alone...

  •  AlterNet Right Now (0+ / 0-)

    See AlterNet today Wednesday 4-8 for a major shit fight on this same subject. Article about right-wing media's inspiration of Richard Poplawski, cop-killer has brought out >200 posts this morning.

  •  It would be one thing if these clowns... (0+ / 0-)

    ...rodeo or otherwise, actually believed what they are spouting.  But it is almost certain that all the irresponsible right wing hate speech spewed by Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Malkin, Coulter and the whole Fox News crew is solely a way to con a big paycheck from a bunch of half-bright paranoid whackos and the advertisers who love them by playing the provocateur in Patriot's clothing.  Even sicker than the irresponsible statements that are regularly made by these inveterate liars is the probable fact that the entire unhinged "conservative" media culture is a sham designed simply to convince enough people to vote against their natural economic interests through fear of "the other" coming to take their jobs, homes, women, God, etc, i.e. the propaganda arm of the old Nixon/Reagan "Southern Strategy."  The payoff is that when the strategy succeeds, these high-priced demagogues reap the rewards for themselves and their corporate masters in the form of massive GOP tax cuts for the wealthy & big business.  For the celebrity media wingnuts, it's not really about ideology.  It's all, cynically, about the MONEY.  And that makes their sins against the country just about impossible to forgive.

  •  Why Beck is Dangerous... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...because a lot of people are unstable. Because a lot of unstable people are angry. They are angry because they lost their job or their boss is a bastard or their kid has a mouth on him or their wife isn't cooperative in bed. Then along comes a demagogue who sells them a target for that anger, a place to focus it. Hitler did this very effectively by convincing Germans that the Jews were responsible for German troubles---and most Germans stood by and watched Jews loaded into trains and carried off to death camps. We've seen a similar phenomenon here in recent years with certain preachers ranting against gays and certain TV figures ranting against immigrants---then shouting "Freedom of speech!" when somebody points out a link between what they said and who got beaten up in the street last night. The ranters' cause celebre right now is the Obama government. Glenn Beck doesn't have to say "take a gun and go shoot somebody". When he raves on about Obama over-reaching and taking away American freedoms, while meanwhile he shows, as a backdrop to his illustrious self, film footage of  the Nazi army on the march with swastikas all over the place, he conveys his message through juxtaposition of ideas.  

  •  Somebody Asked About Beck's Sponsors (0+ / 0-)

    Somebody asked whose Beck's spponsors are. I just now sat through his whole program and took notes: Brita Filter, Roseland Capital (gold), Perillo Motors, RCN, Movies on Demand, Preparation H, Campbell's Soup, Geico, TV Atlas, Lexus (twice), Doubletree Hotels, Encore Dental, Goldline (gold), UPS (three times), Equifax, Pepcid, Waste Management, Red Lobster, FreeCreditReport.com, FeldCo Windows, Lear Capital(gold) (twice).

  •  I Watched Beck's Whole Show (0+ / 0-)

    Today I watched Beck's whole show and found a couple of things very interesting. First, he didn't talk about Obama and mentioned him only once, in the following context: "Be sure at watch on Friday when we will do a whole program called 'Destined To Repeat' to see how our country got into this mess---AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT OBAMA." I got the impression that somebody, maybe high-ups at FOX or sponsor reps or somebody, had spoken to Beck about his recent diatribes against the Obama government.

    Second, in an interview interview with a guest Beck said the following: "When a country is in collapse, we send our agents to sow the seeds of discontent so that when the country falls, we can push it in the direction we want." Then he repeated again the phrase "sow the seeds of discontent". He was talking about US undercover agents going into foreign countries, but his words described, in a weird way, what Beck does all the time, and his words got my attention.

    Other than that, the show was predictable---government is stupid, laws are stupid, "transnationalism" is really bad, a guy who drove 110 mph was a hero, and the US should kick everybody's butt. He did a spot on a US ban on selling toys with lead paint and he and his two Corporate America guests got a good laugh out of how ridiculous this was; one of them said that when the lead paint-covered toys from China came in last year "only a handful of kids were hurt".

  •  not by a progressive liberal (0+ / 0-)

    the good ol' machiavellian "we pander to your fears, prejudices and ignorance" gop and nra is playing with fire. we saw the beginnings of this during the campaign and it continues. during my lifetime i have seen the assassination of JFK, Malcolm X, MLK, Bobby and Harvey Milk and the mass killing in oklahoma city. none of them done by a progressive liberal.

  •  I Agree with Beck (0+ / 0-)

    Although I understand the hypocrisy of Glenn Beck being so worried about murder while he is violently against gun regulation; I am also disgusted by video games like Grand Theft Auto. I don't believe in censorship - but I don think Parents need to know what these games are and not buy their kids this kind of sh*t for Christmas.
    I'm very skeptical of his evidence of TV causing a 50% increase in homocide. But I can't say I disagreed with much else that he said

  •  I'm all for cutting out TV... (0+ / 0-)

    ... if it cuts out Beck.

  •  This could have been Glenn (0+ / 0-)

    auditioning for a time slot in Fox (Toilet) News Channel line up. When someone at Fox saw that; they were, "like this is what we need someone to rant about the evils of video gaming and other things like we do. He's hired, he will fit in just nicely".

    Rush Limbaugh isn't just all mouth an no action. He's also all lard and Oxycontin that took shape in the form of a brain.

    by Bagleille on Wed Apr 08, 2009 at 09:51:30 PM PDT

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