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It's getting to be a usual poll result, this time from the respected Pew poll, MoE approx. +/- 3:

There is no evidence that increased perceptions of a politically divided country have affected President Obama’s standing with the public. His overall job approval rating of 61% is largely unchanged from March (59%), and the early reviews for his first major overseas trip as president are positive. In the survey, conducted before Obama’s surprise visit to Iraq, 63% say Obama did either an excellent (28%) or good job (35%) in representing America’s interests on the trip; just 28% say he did only a fair (19%) or poor job (9%) in representing the nation’s interests.

In other words, partisanship is another way of saying Republican opinion is different than everyone else's.

And here's an interesting table: every year, people seem to say "this year" is worse than others when it comes to partisanship. Polling around inauguration time this year was the exception and not the rule:

As the always insightful EJ Dionne points out, with House Republicans being more Southern conservative than in the past, it's tough not to be. "If you can't find common ground, that doesn't mean you're partisan," [Nancy Pelosi] said. "It just means you believe two different things." But guess who people don't have confidence in when it comes to the economy? The answer, of course, is Republican leaders.

Moreover, Obama garners considerably more confidence on the economy than either Democratic or Republican leaders in Congress. Fully 70% say they have a great deal or a fair amount of confidence in Barack Obama to do the right thing when it comes to fixing the economy. A majority (55%) also say they have at least a fair amount of confidence in congressional Democratic leaders. By comparison, just 38% voice the same degree of confidence in Republicans leaders in Congress.

Let's look at partisan breakdown and, as always, look at the indies:

If there's an argument between Congressional Dems and Obama, the people have more confidence in Obama. And in every way, Republicans lose, including 30% of their own party (which, to remind people, is only 24% of the public according to Pew in March 2009.) That's called "political capital" and it needs to be spent while Obama still has it.

Next, Pew looks at issues. Guess what? Just like the CBS/NY Times poll, Pew finds:

In terms of budget tradeoffs, most Americans (59%) say they would place a higher priority on spending more money to make health care more accessible and affordable than on reducing the budget deficit. A nearly identical majority (58%) believes that spending more to improve education ranks as a higher priority than reducing the deficit.

However, opinion is more evenly divided over whether increasing funding to develop new energy technology should trump deficit reduction: about half (49%) say that spending on new energy technology is the higher priority while nearly as many say reducing the budget deficit (45%) is the higher priority.

Here's the deal on the issue people are most unhappy about:

Here's the Big Kahuna Obama chart, showing who approves and who doesn't in many of the interesting demographic categories.

White evangelicals don't approve (37%), and neither do Republicans. However, apparently everyone else does, suggesting that Republicans are isolated and out of touch (or, more charitably, representing a Southern conservative viewpoint the rest of the country doesn't share.) But that, we knew.

This is a Pew poll, and that means a wealth of data. There's little in the poll that is good for Republicans (even though by tradition polling is always good for John McCain), though energy does worst in terms of clear priorities. However, for those who claim that Obama wins on popularity and not the issues, the CBS/NY Times poll and this poll put that to rest. People approve of Obama's agendas and that's a strong message for Congress to heed, especially the Democrats.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:32 AM PDT.


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  •  Are there any Republican leaders? (6+ / 0-)

    I am hard-pressed to think of anyone who is addressing the current realities head-on.  To be a Republican leader, someone must first be a leader (and a Republican, sure).

    It's damned hard to have confidence in somebody with nothing to offer.

    I've noticed, btw, that Democrats aren't doing so well as time goes by, either -- especially Nancy Pelosi.  They look good only by comparison to Republicans. Lucky for them the Republicans are currently so pathetic.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:35:43 AM PDT

    •  Olympia Snowe is popular. (1+ / 0-)
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      Ergo, Steele threatens to cut off her RNC funding. Natch.

      I wouldn't say that Snowe/Collins are 'leaders', though.

      Ablington is a scab at the bending factory. Relentless!

      by ablington on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:38:12 AM PDT

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      •  I will add that if Collins/Snowe (3+ / 0-)
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        did begin to lead in a reasonable way (relative to other Republicans), they could actually rebuild the foundation for future New England Republican representation.

        Ablington is a scab at the bending factory. Relentless!

        by ablington on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:42:34 AM PDT

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        •  Good point. Goooo Steele! (2+ / 0-)
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          Miss Blue, Independant Man

          The Collins/Snowe duopoly on power brokering is one junta I'd like to see dismantled. These two, by pretending to be Mavericky then falling into party line on one critical issue after another (with just enough cosmetic difference to lend them Mav cred to an uncritical punditry) are in my eyes the essence of Republicanism. They take a position of weakness and leverage the hell out of it. Just like our bankster friends.
          Now, if by "lead" you mean change this timeworn tactic and stand up for "moderate" Repub "principles", then that's another thing. I'm not sure they could identify any, though.
          So, yeah - GOOOO Steele!

          During the campaign, CHANGE was always in caps. I will not settle for small change.

          by kamarvt on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:17:40 AM PDT

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    •  Very true the R's have no leader (10+ / 0-)

      They cough up lots of hairballs (Limbaugh, Steele, Huckabee, Jindal, Palin, Gingrich, etc) but not a leader in the bunch.

      Let's pause for a moment of science...

      by cleverblogname on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:39:37 AM PDT

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      •  They have nowhere to go (4+ / 0-)
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        So how can they find a leader to take them there?

        Until Republicans can disenthrall themselves from the tax-cut fetishists and religious bigots to find a new message, they'll be stuck in the political backwaters.  Finding a new leader will require a willingness to hear a new message and to believe new things.  The party apparently hasn't yet been soundly rejected enough for that to happen.

        Here's hoping it takes another few election cycles for them to begin figuring it out.

        Godwin is dead. Glenn Beck killed him.

        by Dallasdoc on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:46:15 AM PDT

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        •  Lots of room to go. (0+ / 0-)

          Tax-cuts are, by definition, a dead end.  Once taxes are low, you have to go about doing other things, and there's a lot to do.

          As a conservative, I'm not very happy with Republicans.  Health care and the environment are just two major areas screaming for a better solution than the Democrats are likely to foist on us.

          Unfortunately, they seem to stupid to realize that the problems are very real and will be addressed.  In the absence of viable alternatives, the Democrats will carry the day.  I get no satisfaction from knowing that they will bring this on themselves, because my family will suffer the consequences of crappy policies right along with the Republicans.

          Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

          by dinotrac on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:04:17 AM PDT

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          •  So... (6+ / 0-)

            Did you care that ALL families suffered the consequences of YOUR Party's crappy policies for the past 8 years?

            "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

            by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:16:37 AM PDT

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            •  Facts not in evidence. (0+ / 0-)

              I am not and never have been a Republican.
              I was once a Democrat, the only political party I ever belonged to.
              For the last 25 years, I have been happily independent.

              So -- what's the deal?  Progressives always say that THEY are capable of subtle thinking, but always end up at the simple black/white must be Democrat/Republican thing.

              It's a complicated world out there.

              Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

              by dinotrac on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:45:54 AM PDT

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        •  The sad truth is that the fringe is going to (3+ / 0-)
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          have to die out.  They aren't going to change.

      •  Rs role over eight years was supporting Bush (5+ / 0-)

        in whatever Bush wanted, running interference, quashing investigations, being footsoldiers to the White House. That was their purpose. Now what?  No leader, no principles, no nothing.

        "There is nothing more boring than the best collection of pro talent beating a real college team" jonthes, NY

        by Inland on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:53:55 AM PDT

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        •  Good point, but who are Obama's foot soldiers? (0+ / 0-)

          Sebelius and Napolitano are in his cabinet, and both aren't exactly combative. Emanuel, Biden and Austan Goolsbee should be the chief smackdown artists in the administration. Apart from his Washington and foreign policy experience, that's Biden's greatest asset. Whenever Cheney and Giuliani badmouth the President, Biden should be out there bitch slapping them.

          Of course, the shortage of foot soldiers is due in no small part to the fact that the President has only been on the national stage for 4 years, if that. He only became a national figure when he announced his candidacy in early 2007.

      •  Hee! LOL at the hairballs! (1+ / 0-)
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        "Forever is composed of nows." Emily Dickinson

        by Leftovers on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:55:08 AM PDT

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    •  Right now it's all smoke and mirrors for them, (2+ / 0-)
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      and red herrings, anything but real answers for
      these trying times. It's wonderful to see the
      so out to pasture.

      •  Crappy for the country, though. (1+ / 0-)
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        renzo capetti

        Nobody ever has all the answers.

        When the folks who should be in opposition -- which is different from denial -- give up on the responsibility to join and shape the conversation, the country loses.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:47:29 AM PDT

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    •  apparently not n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
      President Barack Obama. At last.

      by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 10:01:36 AM PDT

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  •  Repugs can't own-up to the Bush years and (2+ / 0-)
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    Dustee, renzo capetti

    George isn't going to say I fucked up. Stasis.

    •  short attention spans of Americans (1+ / 0-)
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      I think we're getting just a bit cocky with the assumption the R's will stay in the attic until they reinvent something real.
      The American attention span is notoriously short, and the pundit class is busily and successfully rewriting history right now.
      Just as soon it will be absurd to claim in polite company that the wall to wall catastrophe of the last 8 years was 100% republican-driven, it will be seen as partisan to credit Obama and the democrats with our recovery.
      When times are relatively good again, the Republican message of "have your cake and eat it too" will gain traction, FAST. There will be time enough to rekindle all the culture wars, hammer the fiction that the gubmint is taking all your money and giving it to welfare queens (though they'll be reslandered "ER queens"), some act of terrorism somewhere will become a huge rallying cry for a return to authoriarianism, etc.

      I'd like to be optimistic about the golden age of progressivism to come, but my faith in the memory and critical thinking skills of the American media consumer is sorely lacking. I've seen these cretins successfully take credit for our work and blame us for their carnage my whole life. The only change is that the turnaround takes less time.

      During the campaign, CHANGE was always in caps. I will not settle for small change.

      by kamarvt on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:29:56 AM PDT

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  •  Pew! Pew! Pew! (5+ / 0-)

    Sorry! In a silly mood...

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:43:36 AM PDT

  •  Yes, but - (11+ / 0-)

     Republicans realize that if they continue behaving like even greater obstructionist asscranks, paranoid freaks of nature and inciters of psychopaths the public will come 'round to then.

     They've got us right where the want us.  We're surrounded.


    "Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing-glove." -- P.G. Wodehouse (via Bertie Wooster)

    by BenGoshi on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:43:40 AM PDT

  •  I like Obama to fix the economy too, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    Let's try to remember that polling is useful for who has and will be in power, but the Big Idea is to actually help people--everyone--have a better outlook on their lives.  The Republicans failed miserably at this.  It is essential that Obama not fail miserably for the sake of the nation.

    Here's hoping that when his theory meets practice, it comes up roses.  Not because we want to stomp out Republicans, but because the country needs it.

  •  Wow! (7+ / 0-)

    Strong numbers fromm all agres, races, and religions...except the white evangelicals. And this was before he went overseas. The GOP is pretty much screwed. I think they are becoming non existant and no one listens to them. Onece you get labled as the party of no, and rush, youre in big trouble. I think Meghan McCain was right when she said the GOP will be in big trouble for years to come if they dont have a leader and remove the far right zealots from their party.

  •  Change the can't stand (1+ / 0-)
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    The Republicans refuse to change with the times.  They are now going back to playing the "gay people will ruin our world" card.  They have nothing new, and people are sick of their schtick.  When this doesn't work, they will bomb further and further.  I predict loses in 2010 for the repubs.  If they still don't learn by 2012, heck, even more loses.  They are betting against Obama's plans working.  If they do, they are gonna get slaughtered in the next few elections.  They are playing a dangerous game.  

    •  Just wait a month or two (0+ / 0-)

      and it will be "OMG IMMIGINTZ" from the GOP crowd, all the time. Obama is really taking the tiger by the tail.

      Whatever you do, take care of your shoes.

      by ekthesy on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:04:56 AM PDT

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      •  Sometimes I think that the President was planning (0+ / 0-)

        to throw in gay marriage and immigration so the GOP could go on a tangent while he did what needed to be done about the economy.  Once re-election time rolls around, he can focus on what he's done and what the GOP has been focusing on.  

  •  Rather... (0+ / 0-)

    steep decline in favor among Mod/Lib Reps from march to April...wonder what did that.

    Especially since those on the flank didn't drop...Indies stayed the same and Con Reps surged up.

  •  Voters reject the soggy teabags (2+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, Leftovers

    2/10/07 Springfield 11/4/08 Grant Park 1/20/09 DC

    by chicago minx on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:48:22 AM PDT

  •  These polls should be required reading (5+ / 0-)

    for all the Blue Dogs and pundit naysayers

    Obama would be perfect if he were a Cubs fan.

    by Georgia Liberal on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:50:27 AM PDT

    •  The deltas (0+ / 0-)

      The job approval ratings in a couple of key demographics have gone down between Feb and Apr.  Most notably, from 63% to 56% among Independents and from 75% to 68% among 18-29-year-olds.  The raw numbers are still high, but those are large percentage drops among swing constituencies.  Ideas?

  •  i think i may understand why the GOP (6+ / 0-)

    isnt making any progress:

    these charts and this analysis has NUMBERS in it. Its hard, too hard to understand.

  •  As I've said here before, the people are paying (1+ / 0-)
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    attention.  Imminent collapse of the world economy seems to have that effect.  It is a major problem for most pols, pundits, and, currently, anyone opposing the President.

    I wonder how many months of positive polling for Obama it will take before the MSM will begin to recognize a trend?

  •  Great news for John McCain! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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  •  Hell hath no fury like a progressive censored! (1+ / 3-)
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    freelunch, shpilk, Bronx59

    John Avaro$i$ over at AmeriKablog will censor your posts if you call them out for whining about not getting their share of Progressive fund raising money. You can swear if you want. You can bash gays if you want. Don't dare question their patriotism for wanting their share of the money. Show me the money, that's what it's all about, isn't it?


  •  Trends (3+ / 0-)
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    Seems to be a hardening of attitudes among republicans and evangelicals based on how the numbers are going from Feb-April.

    The real number are Independents though. With solid support there Obama's overall numbers haven't moved much, remaining remarkably strong.

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    Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

    by Scarce on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 06:59:21 AM PDT

    •  Interesting that President Clinton's numbers... (0+ / 0-)

      ...seemed to dive faster than President Carter.  But Clinton was the one who managed to win re-election.

      •  Carter's numbers dove harder and longer (2+ / 0-)
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        ..ending at around 34% when he left office. Conversely, Bill Clinton's 65% approval rate when he left office was higher than any president going back to Eisenhowser. (I'll leave JFK out, for obvious reasons.)

        Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

        by Scarce on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:07:53 AM PDT

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        •  A mistake (1+ / 0-)
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          Reagan was higher than I thought. 64% leaving office.

          Here we are now Entertain us I feel stupid and contagious

          by Scarce on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:10:54 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, and it's important to note that what you... (0+ / 0-)

 is just in the first 100 days. So I guess anything that tracked popularity over the entire four years of a first term would (obviously) show Carter taking a much larger and prolonged dive than Clinton.

          Still, it's remarkable to me how much Clinton dived in his first 100 days.  And, while I do think that part of it had to do with the fact that his own performance as president was shaky at first, I also think that it partly had to do with the whole "conservative infrastructure" that was/still is in place to set the tone, distribute talking poitns, etc...

          It must be infuriating for them that the same thing that worked so well with Clinton is, at least so far, proving ineffective with Obama.

  •  Im rethinking my position on immigration. (3+ / 0-)
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    My gut tells me Obama should forget all about immigration this year, but I'm starting to think it may be shrewd to force Republicans to vote on it.

    With him from the beginning, with him until the end.

    by brooklynbadboy on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:04:20 AM PDT

    •  Obama's on a roll, so why not? (3+ / 0-)
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      blueyedace2, vets74, brooklynbadboy

      2/10/07 Springfield 11/4/08 Grant Park 1/20/09 DC

      by chicago minx on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:05:44 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I'm still thinking about it... (0+ / 0-)

        The last thing I'd want is to get wrapped up in an "Amnesty" bill while we are in the middle of an Appropriations fight.

        However, it may serve as a useful distraction so the appropriators can work outside the public eye. It is just the kind of divisive issue that will cost political capital, probably won't pass, but will help to shield the Congressional majority from media scrutiny while the appropriators work. Helps solidify the Republican party's hostility to hispanics, deepening their hole. However, the economy better be frickin BOOMING by November 2010.

        It still extremely high risk and seems to me to be very short-term in its tactical application. Seems way to high risk, but it might work.

        With him from the beginning, with him until the end.

        by brooklynbadboy on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:33:50 AM PDT

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    •  Scares me to death (3+ / 0-)

      While I do agree immigration needs to be addressed, my primary concern is healthcare reform.

      The immigration thing is going to be incredibly ugly.  I don't want to see Obama's popularity sink because of this issue before healthcare is addressed.

      Pat I'm-a-racist Buchanen was already spouting his crapola on MSNBC this morning.  There's no question that no solution is going to please more than a fraction of the populace.  

      In my opinion, this issue needs to wait until we've fought the good fight over healthcare.  

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

      by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:08:45 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, I hate to say it... (3+ / 0-)

        ...but I'd probably do health care first as well.

        Then, depending on circumstances, throw immigration in there.  Especially if his popularity is still high and he has some room.

        There might be short term blowback to the administration and to Democrats - but let the GOP air all their dirty laundry and bigotry, and put it even more on the public record. In the long run, it'll just kill them and help us.

        •  Will the unions support immigration reform? (1+ / 0-)
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          If not, Obama should delay.

          •  Some might not (0+ / 0-)

            However, I think the big ones have more or less come around on the matter. I beleive they rather like the idea of leagalizing these folks, then unionizing them.

            •  Let them in (0+ / 0-)

              The unions should take that position.  So should others.  Like it or not, and legal or illegal, the immigrants are here and not leaving (at least, not in large numbers).  So people should accept that there will be a solution involving a path to citizenship.  The harder parts are: (i) what about the immigrants who don't want to become citizens; (ii) what about regulating future immigration (including the bump that will occur before a program goes into effect; (iii) what about a sort of Geneva Convention whereby countries like Mexico agree to do the same for  immigrants into its country.  

              •  If I were a union leader... (0+ / 0-)

                ...I'd hire organizers that can speak spanish. And then become as much of an advocate as possible for earned citizenship and an easier and much more effective legal immigration system.

                Immigrants aren't stupid. They don't want to be taken advantage of (even if that's what a lot of employers are doing), and I'm willing to bet that, if you reach out to them in the right way, they'd be more than willing to join unions.

                If the EFCA could pass, too, immigrants could help build the next big wave of unionization in this country.

              •  Heh. I just realized that I was babbling... (0+ / 0-)

                ...and didn't really address any of your points.  Sorry.

                Those are a little tough, but I think we can find solutions for them.

                I: Always a consideration, but why not just let them come and then leave if they want to? Also, quite a few will come with the intention of only being here temporarily, but end up staying permanently and looking into citizenship as they form families here and become members of communities.

                II: Again a consdieration, but I think a lot of it will happen regardless. I'm skeptical that limiting immigration actually limits immigration - it just makes a lot of it happen illegally.

                III: Interesting idea.  Also, ideally immigration reform should be tied to real steps by Mexico and other countries to improve living standards domestically, but I dunno whether or not we can get that to happen.

                •  Coming and going (0+ / 0-)

                  For immigrants who don't want to become citizens, there would have to be some sort of guest worker program.  But then what happens with H1-B?  Would Germans (for example) be eligible for guest worker status or would they still have to go through the existing structure?  At some point, immigration reform begins to look like unlimited free trade, if  workers are free to come and go as they wish.  That doesn't bother me too much as long as U.S. citizens have the same rights to work in foreign countries.

                  Forgive the stream-of-consciousness there.

          •  will the unicorns support it? (0+ / 0-)

            we need to tackle health care first.

            i'm a little scared to tell you the truth... can't imagine being without healthcare and getting really sick.

        •  Immigration =EQ= WEDGE ISSUE for GOPers (0+ / 0-)
          1. Immigration splits the GOP Senators to rural vs. urban. There's still a half-dozen or more GOPers who depend on urban-or-Mexican/Asian votes for re-election.
          1. Once this split forms, the half-dozen Urban Dependent GOPers form their own mini-caucus with their own issue priorities.


          3. Health care gets stronger, not weaker.

          It ain't an either-or.

          Droogie is as Droogie does....

          by vets74 on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:58:32 AM PDT

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      •  Unless I'm mistaken, I thought (2+ / 0-)
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        the article mentioning Obama's stance on immigration reform, also noted he wanted to address the issue after healthcare, education, and energy. If that's true, then I think it could be, as someone suggested in another diary, that Obama is just floating this idea to see the reaction, and just restate his position from the campaign. But definitely, I think healthcare reform will be the bigger priority than immigration reform.

  •  if only 3% of Dems disapprove of our President's (3+ / 0-)
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    why does it feel like a larger percentage are posting disapproving diaries and comments here at dKos?

    Sorry, Pew.  Those numbers can't be right...

    Hispano Progresivo. Coming soon to a computer screen near you!

    by jmadlc55 on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:06:23 AM PDT

    •  Oh please (1+ / 0-)
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      This site doesn't even comprise 2% of the Democratic Party.  We have many members who are not even registered Democrats.

      Then you have that lovely troll membership to cope with as well.

      Further, many of the Dem members here belong to the far, far, far left.  They will never be happy with any Dem who can be elected President, as that person will never be liberal enough for them.

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

      by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:11:00 AM PDT

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      •  Absolutly Spot On Miss Blue (1+ / 0-)
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        Miss Blue

        When people "accuse" me of being a Liberal, I tell them I passed Liberal a long time ago.
        According to the political spectrum test I am somewhere around Anarchist Commie, more of a Madison/Jefferson/Rooseveltian.

        To the public, I am an Independent.  And. my independent analysis of the political opportunities in America has led me always vote for the Democrat.

        One of my favorite lines in an Old time comedy TV show (50's) was "Buzz me Miss Blue".  Is that where you came up with the name?

        "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve; if impeached, I will not leave" -Anon

        by Graebeard on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:59:24 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  LOL! (0+ / 0-)

          I'm the resident cowgirl here.  The name comes from a phenomenal quarterhorse mare I owned for many years - Miss Bluegrass Music.

          My small way of honoring her memory.

          "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

          by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 08:06:21 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Uh huh (3+ / 0-)
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      Just because I disagree with the president - or mayb even get downright angry with him - now and then doesn't mean that I "disapprove" of how he's doing over all, or that I don't want him to be president any more.

      On the other hand, just because I support someone doesn't mean that I should keep my mouth shut when I think he's screwing up on an issue. Blind support for a president helped get us into the mess that we're in now.

  •  GOP: Same old policy of "Do Nothing" (2+ / 0-)
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    When I look at the president's budget policy of doubling down now to fix what has been slowing bleeding us dry, I think many people identify with that and agree.

    We all have had that old junker car that sucks down the equivalent of a monthly car payment in repairs every month and wondered "Why the hell do I keep fixing it?". At that point we toss it aside and take the plunge into another more effecient model that might save us some money in the long run. Obama's policy on Health Care and our Economy is very similar. We can't keep paying these inflated prices for the same bad system. We need to spend some money now and buy into a new more effecient system for our Health Care and our overall Economy to thrive on.

    The choice is clear... we can't just do the same old policy of "do nothing".

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:12:02 AM PDT

  •  This is good news for John McCain! (2+ / 0-)
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    He has us right where he wants us

  •  28% of any given population (2+ / 0-)
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    Miss Blue, PorridgeGun

    are clearly crazy.

    "I don't want to know about evil, I only want to know about love..." -- J. Martyn

    by BobzCat on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:16:26 AM PDT

  •  why did my comment get deleted? (0+ / 0-)

    don't care for a different opinion?

    •  It wasn't deleted (6+ / 0-)

      This site does not delete comments.

      It was given a troll rating by enough trusted users that now only TUs can see it.  

      And why was it given TRs?  Because we thought it was garbage.  Try again.

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

      by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:25:20 AM PDT

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      •  So you don't like a difference of opnion (0+ / 0-)

        Ok, I got it.  Just like the Obama Administration.

        •  I won't speak for everyone else.... (4+ / 0-)

          but as for me, I have no problem with a difference of opinion.

          What I can't stand is Republicans.  Therefore, I consider you the bottom of the barrel.  Hence, anything you have to say has no importance whatsoever.

          "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

          by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:29:10 AM PDT

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          •  instructive, but not important (3+ / 0-)
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            his little whine just above is a pretty cool micro case study.

            1. He comes to the preeminent Dem blog in cyberspace
            1. Expects that a slam of Obama with no information at all will somehow be treated like a Thomas Paine  pamphlet
            1. Doesn't read the site rules, the FAQ's, or anything else
            1. When those rules (as observed by the six and counting TU's-including mine-that hid his wittle blogfart) kick in, he assumes he's been sent to the online version of a FEMA camp
            1. He comes right back to that same Dem blog in full-on WATB mode
            1. He then expects someone to take the time to handhold him through this difficult experience, apologize, and set it all right
            1. When that doesn't happen, he attacks the messenger.

            It's really quite instructive, isn't it?

            Is that you, Newt?

            During the campaign, CHANGE was always in caps. I will not settle for small change.

            by kamarvt on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:43:16 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Yeah, I'm a repub, so I must be like all other (0+ / 0-)

            republicans.  You know, many people don't like to be judged by a label.  Is that really what you are doing?

        •  You obviously have not figured out what site you (2+ / 0-)
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          are on.  Perhaps you should read more and learn; THEN offer constructive criticism.

          •  I am aware of the site. (0+ / 0-)

            Just thought I would join the discussion.  Doesn't Obama preach bipartisan support?  I am here to talk.

            •  brinmg some facts and data to the discussion (2+ / 0-)
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              and you are most welcome.

              Just some friendly advice.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:48:28 AM PDT

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            •  No,,,, (1+ / 0-)
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              You aren't here to talk - you are here to insult, slam, and badger.

              They will learn that Obama is going to harm this country far greater than any other president ever has.  Unless they fall for the "blame it on the bush administration" approach:

              This is your entire post, without the link to your blog.

              Now why the hell would I click on a link to the blog of an obvious troll, based on that comment?

              If you wanted talk, you would come here with an open mind, ask questions, present your solution to whatever issue you were on about, and then courteously respond to feedback.

              You have done nothing of the sort.

              Sorry, but when you go into enemy territory, it is on you to earn enough credibility to be listened to.  You have failed.

              "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

              by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 08:02:40 AM PDT

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              •  So did you not see me here yesterday? (0+ / 0-)

                I was discussing...listening to other point of views.  Today, I just decided that I had already made a case on my blog and didn't want to retype it.  If you don't want people to link to stuff, then you should ask that they disable it.

                And btw, where's the insult?  Have I called someone a name? Have I come and just fired off insults at people?  I dont' think so.  And if you do, then perhaps you should check out my comments under my profile.

                •  Ummm,,,,, (0+ / 0-)

                  you insulted President Obama.  Didn't criticize a policy, didn't complain about a decision, just insulted him with nothing to back it up.

                  Further, no, I did not see you yesterday.  Thankfully.

                  And as stated previously, you have shown yourself to be an obvious troll.  Why the hell would I click on one of your links?  Since retyping a post seems to be so friggen hard for you, did you ever consider cut/paste?  No?  Not a surprise - you Republicans seem to find thinking a major problem as well.

                  And yes, I am insulting you.  I have no use for those who, when presented with overwhelming evidence of failure, criminality, and fraud by the Bush administration, still support that administration.

                  I would have some semblance of respect for you if you had said you oppose the positions of Barack Obama, you support the Republican Party, but you realize the Bush administration was a complete and utter failure.  But no, you clearly show your continued admiration for the biggest failure in politics this country has ever witnessed, and slam Obama for not what he has done, but what you assume, with no basis in fact, will result from what he might do in the future.

                  And why I am still addressing you is beyond me.  Believe me, no Republican posting on this site in five years has gotten this much communication from me.  I love my country, and you people have shown that you don't.  You love your Party - right or wrong, doesn't matter to you.  As proven by your blind 100% support of the Dumbass in Chief and the piece of shit who gave him his orders - Dick the dick Cheney.

                  "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

                  by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 09:15:20 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  So I approve of Bush for the most part. (0+ / 0-)

                    I do disagree with the bailouts of 2008, and realize that communication with the American public was one of his major weakness, but do I support his policies for the most part (apart from immigration, and perhaps education), yes I do.  I think the republicans over spent themselves when they were in power and Bush saw to that with the signing of the bills.  But spending isn't the thing that Libs criticize, it's IRAQ.  Bush was on par with the Clinton administration and all of the intelligence that suggested someone needed to do something about Saddam Hussein.  Was the intelligence bad? Yes.  Is the world a better place without him? Yes.  Should Obama be thankful that he doesn't have to worry about Hussein? Yes.  But the thing that gets me is that many people feel as though Bush made up fake evidence for the war, which is preposterous.  If that's the case, then Clinton was wrong as well.  Everyone believed that the Iraq war was needed until it got messy, until they couldn't substantiate the claims with the WMD's that everyone had previously thought he had.  Then many turned on Bush, but what was he to do?  Abandon the war he started?  No, he went until victory was had.

                    So do I support Bush for the most part, absolutely.  And I am not apologizing for that just to get someones respect.

                    •  Try the Google (0+ / 0-)

                      Because once again you show your utter lack of the facts.

                      Bill Clinton warned Dumbass about AL-QUEDA.  Not Saddam, al-Queda.

                      But gee, they're interchangeable - to Republicans - like socks.

                      Further, the evidence is overwhelming that the intelligence was gamed.  At best.  At worst, it was lies made up from whole cloth.

                      And if you are so naive, stupid, close-minded, whatever, to think that Iraq is the only complaint about George Bush, you have most definitely NOT been paying attention.

                      DoJ?  Katrina?  FEMA?  The economy?  The deficit?  The spending?  NCLB?  FISA?  What the fuck - the list is practically endless.  He did NOTHING right.  Nothing.  Name a topic - he fucked it up.  Christ.  

                      Are you better off than you were in 2000?  Are you?  If so, you are one in a million and must be related to Cheney.  

                      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

                      by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 09:32:41 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Did I ever say the only thing? (0+ / 0-)

                        Once again you change what I said.  I said spending wasn't the thing libs criticized, it was Iraq.  I never said it was the only thing.  

                        Do you remember HR 4655?  I'll give you a link, but if you don't trust it you can search google for it.  President Clinton signed it.  It's called the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998:

                        •  Bill Clinton didn't sign,,, (0+ / 0-)

                          an authorization to invade a friggen sovereign country.  

                          Hated Saddam, but guess what?  None of my fucking business.  Not. My. Country.  Oh, and let's not forget - Iraq never did a fucking thing to us.  Last I looked, America did not preemptively attack other countries.  No matter how much we dislike them.

                          Why is the Constitution so hard for you guys to remember?

                          "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

                          by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 09:47:52 AM PDT

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                          •  Well, it was pretty much the step before auth. (0+ / 1-)
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                            to war. I mean, the title is: "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government."

                            He knew Sadam had to be removed because he was a threat.  He knew they needed a democracy. Maybe he didn't want to give the next administration a war, who knows.  But he signed it into law. But you can keep believing that they manufactured the evidence.  But this was evident to the previous administration, and congress agreed.

                            I don't think it's me who is naive.  

                •  Oh, and one other thing (1+ / 0-)
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                  You notice the high approval ratings Obama gets from Democrats?

                  Well, your fuck-up-in-chief got that same thing after 9/11.  We all wanted him to succeed.  We all stood behind him and with him.  Democrats.  We didn't have our public mouthpieces go on the air pleading for his failure.  Our politicians gave him everything he wanted, with our blessings.

                  So yes, we do walk the walk.  We aren't asking anything of Republicans we haven't given first.  

                  You lost.  The country has told you loudly, in poll after poll and election after election that you fucked up.  George fucked up and so did his enablers.  And still you cry and whine and insist you are right.  

                  And the loudest thing you can scream now is that you want Obama to fail.  Not because his failure is the best thing for America - oh no.  But it would be the best thing for your worthless Party.  Yep, that's patriotic as hell, isn't it?

                  You offer NO ideas, NO solutions, NO suggestions.  All we get from you is the Democrats are evil, Obama sucks, George Bush Forevah!

                  Sorry, but since half the country is fucking dying here, that ain't going to cut it.

                  "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

                  by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 09:23:02 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  No dear, I've never said I want him to fail (0+ / 0-)

                    Don't put words in my mouth.  But he will fail with his current policies and he will take the whole country with him.

                    •  The only way... (0+ / 0-)

                      the whole country can get worse is if there is no country left.  I'll take my chances with Obama.  

                      But then again, I will always put my money on brains.  Something we haven't had for awhile, and boy does that show.

                      Everything is a risk.  Everything.  Every single thing you do in life has risk attached.  Getting out of bed.  Walking out the door.  Eating.  Driving.

                      I've made my living in a very high-risk profession.  And I've paid the price, as sometimes I ended up on the wrong side of the odds.  But it was worth it.  I weighed the odds every single time, and came out way, way ahead.  

                      That's all we can ever do with anything.  Weigh the odds and make the smart choice.  But to do that, you need whoever is placing the bets to have enough brains to figure out the odds.  George had none, Obama has lots.  

                      McCain had none (as proven by choosing the retard from Alaska), and once again Obama has lots.  

                      The country is fucking falling apart at the seams, along with the rest of the fucked-up world.  And you want us to vote for brain-cell deficients?  Why?  Cuz they know better?  They'll make smarter decisions?  LOL!  Right, that makes sense.  Or not.

                      I"m a Democrat, but Obama was not my first-choice candidate.  But Obama over McCain?  Pfft, easiest choice I've ever made in my life.  Just the thought of Palin in charge was enough to scare the crap out of the dead.  

                      You're going to lose the argument here, as you are trying to defend a wall that has already crashed to the ground.  Find a Republican worth your loyalty and try to get him/her elected.  I'm sure the nutcases your Party courts will prevent anyone sane from getting elected to anything important, but that's at least a worthwhile goal for you.

                      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

                      by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 09:44:08 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

    •  And by the way.... (5+ / 0-)

      How fucking stupid are you?

      You come to a Democratic website - by definition - and you post insults about our newly-elected Democratic President.

      What did you expect?  We'd applaud you?  

      Sorry, but we on this side of the aisle are not batshit crazy, as you all seem to be.

      "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine 4240+ dead Americans. Bring them home.

      by Miss Blue on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:27:45 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Posting right-wing garbage will usually get you (2+ / 0-)
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      a hide rating.  Back up those statements in a diary and then let the discussion begin.

  •  Only found 100 Mod/Lib Republicans. (1+ / 0-)
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    They are the smallest group in the Obama's Job Approval Ratings chart.

    I'm surprised they found that many out of 1506.

    Of course, the next lowest is 153 Liberal Dems.  At least my demographic outnumbers one group.

  •  MInnesota Pulic Radio This morning (4+ / 0-)

    Had two guest on a morning talk show that were claiming that US is still basically a conservative nation and that the ecomomic crisis was responsible for the president's high support.  They claim it will diminish after the crisis abates. I heard the female guest mention "democrat party" so I didn't have to hear more to know where she is coming from.  My commute is only 10 minutes.  I'm glad because I was ready to turn it off anyway.  

    Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. Horace Mann (and btw, the bike in kayakbiker is a bicycle)

    by Kayakbiker on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:45:48 AM PDT

  •  This is what (3+ / 0-)
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    blueyedace2, vets74, soms

    thirty years of conservative fiscal polcies and eight years of the Bush White house has cost the republicans. Reagan was an economic genius, they said. Bush was going to be the greatest president who ever served, they said. Uh-huh. What a surprise they got!

    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction." --Blaise Pascal

    by lyvwyr101 on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 07:49:33 AM PDT

  •  He has a shitload (1+ / 0-)
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    Of political cap still. I hope he spends it wisely on health care, energy and education. Immigration may be one too many for this year.

  •  What a shock! (2+ / 0-)
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    With all of the diaries that you see on here bashing Obama, it's good to see that the rest of America is giving Obama a chance.

    Deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king.

    by Milton Fine on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 08:12:32 AM PDT

  •  I notice that poll cites religious denominations (0+ / 0-)

    They cite Protestants, (both evangelical and otherwise), and Catholics. I haven't seen anyone cite atheists who are now a larger "denomination" than any of the superstitions they did cite.

  •  Obama will be welcomed at ND in May (1+ / 0-)
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    Looks like the fear mongering by the likes of Michael Gerson, Patrick "Buch the Puke" Buchanan, et al. that Catholics are feeling disowned by Obama is fantasy based (go figure).  The old conventional wisdom was that only Hispanic Catholics liked Obama, and that the non-Hispanic whites were up in arms over abortion.  Apparently not.  That invite to Notre Dame looks better and better!

    "You can't look into another man's soul. You know what they say: another man's soul is a riddle." Ivan Turgenev, "The Knocking"

    by dizzydean on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 08:53:40 AM PDT

  •  editing quibble (1+ / 0-)
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    WHITE evangelicals don't approve (37%)...  Please edit the first sentence of the penultimate paragraph.

    This liberal evangelical approves wholeheartedly!!!

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.
    President Barack Obama. At last.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Apr 09, 2009 at 10:00:54 AM PDT

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