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    The cries of "Taxation Without Representation" means OUR GUY LOST, screw you guys, I'm going home. Well, Boo Fucking Hoo. Call me the fucking Waaaaammbbulance, Cartman. Because this secession shit is a bad as it gets, and I call bullshit on the whole batshit right.

   

Talk of secession is an attack on our country.  It is the ultimate anti-American statement.

     Serious discussion that we would even contemplate dividing our country, the greatest country in the world, shows lack of judgment -- and any words from the Texas Governor will be taken seriously.  Finally, such statements -- particularly in a time when we are at war overseas, with over 4,000 American lives lost, and thousands in combat as we speak -- are both offensive, irresponsible and not the words of a patriot.

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    You cannot lead a state that is part of a nation by trying to divide that state from that nation.

- Texas House Democratic Leader Jim Dunnam

    You can not lead a nation if you view it as something to be abandoned at will.

    more of this betrayal below the fold

   

    I am surprised that Governor Perry would reinforce a sentiment that is so clearly anti-American.  He should choose his words more carefully unless they are intentional, and if his words were intentional, they should be condemned.

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    Hat tip to Velvet Revolution, whose rec-list diary Texas State Senator Responds To Perry supplied the quote by Texas State Assemblyman Jim Dunnam posted above.

    Going Galt individually, or seceeding as a state has got to be THE most Un-American thing you could propose. Country first, my ass.

    By threatening to go Galt and secede you have dishonored every American soldier who serves today, as well as all the sacrifices made with American blood, blood spilled for you, yet you cast it aside out of greed and stupidity. It is like giving pearls to the swine.

    Ever see a Democratic President prosecuted for war crimes before. Where were you when Bush gave America to the CEO's?

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    You call our Government oppresive? Let me borrow a page from your playbook Republicans, "If you don't like America, you can get out!"

   

    What is worse is stomping your foot, screaming "I'll run away!" like a four year old in the front yard, when we all know your are going to wake up in your cozy bed with all your toys tomorrow morning. A bed supported and protected by the United States of America.

    Apparently, the party of "NO!" is also incapable of taking No for an answer, whether at the ballot box, or in the reality around themselves.

   

    Paul Krugman nails this.

   

    We've had a style of policy. we tried it for eight years. We can't go on trying the same thing. We have to change direction.

    Bi-partisanship is killing us, because there is no one to be bi-partisan with. When the GOP wants to go back to 1980 and the Democrats want to move on into the 21st Century, the middle ground is not a compromise, it is a total and abject failure.

    Jobs are disappearing overseas. Homes are standing empty, while their former tenants move to the fringe of poverty. What is the GOP's answer. The same answer they have always used.

  1. Cut taxes. Go to 20
  1. Cut spending. Go to 30
  1. Smaller Government. Go to 40
  1. Get our way. If not 40, then 50
  1. Go Nuclear. Go to 60
  1. Go Galt.

    In a dairy I posted yesterday titled "Wingnut, call me a traitor again and I will kick your ass" I clearly stated in the intro the diary was half snark, yet that didn't stop obamathemarxist@gmail.com from sending me rightwing hatemail calling me racist and worse than the KKK combined. If you can find a racist statement in my diary, please show it to me, I would like to see it for myself.

    Yup, the undertone to all the isms, Marxism, Socialism, elitism and all the other big words the tea baggers and others clearly do not understand is racism. Wasn't racism the pretext to Confederate state's claims to protecting State's rights?

    The state’s population stood at 604,000, most of which was concentrated in the cotton country of East and South Texas. Small farmers, often raising corn and pork on a subsistence level, spread out to the north and west from the cotton country. In the western Hill Country, German immigrants were trying to build a utopian community.

    About 182,000 Texans were slaves. But even East Texas was far from the Gone With the Wind stereotype of the Old South. Only 21,000 whites in Texas were slaveholders, and about half of these owned three slaves or fewer. Only two men in the entire state had large plantations with more than 200 slaves. Yet these men and other large planters produced 90 percent of the cotton, the dominant crop in Texas. They had an influence on Texas politics far beyond their percentage of the population.

    Perhaps the most striking feature of Texas life was its isolation. Travel was extremely difficult. In East Texas, the roads were little better than cowpaths; beyond the east, they were almost nonexistent. The traveler followed in the footsteps of those who had gone before, Indians or animals who had worn faint traces between watering holes.

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    And did the wealthy who controlled the media throw fuel on the fire?

    The fact that there was no evidence supporting the idea of an abolitionist conspiracy and that newspaper editors published outright lies that fed a white panic leads Reynolds to his hypothesis that the Texas Troubles were created purposefully in an effort to push Texans and other Southerners toward secession. That conclusion follows, however, only by inference. Unquestionably, the sole source of information on the alleged conspiracy was baseless and sometimes creative contemporary newspaper reporting. Reynolds also shows that fire-eating Southern politicians readily used Texas events for their purposes, particularly to promote voter turnout for George Breckenridge and possibly to encourage secession. In the end, however, there is no direct evidence concerning the intentions of the newspaper editors or of the reporters who publicized the plot and went so far as to manufacture false accounts of fires, weapons, and poison. Charles Pryor, editor of the Dallas Herald whose letters to newspapers across the state first warned of a slave threat, left no clues other than his published letters of his intentions. Neither did other lesser-known Texas newsmen. It is possible that their goal was secession, but the evidence will allow little more than speculation.

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    Where do State's right's tie into this?

     State rights and strict construction were usually the arguments of the party out of power (and so they were to he throughout American history). As long as the Republicans were outsiders, they remained strict constructionists, but once they had become insiders, with Jefferson as president, they used the full powers of the Federal government to further the agrarian interests they represented. Indeed, they used much more than the rightful and constitutional powers, according to the Federalists, who now adopted the state rights point of view.

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    Some advocates of secession justified it as a revolutionary right, but most of them based it on constitutional grounds. The 1860 South Carolina Declaration of the Causes of Secession quoted the states 1852 declaration, which said that "the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States," would justify the state in withdrawing from the Union. The South Carolina secession ordinance, following the procedure that Calhoun had prescribed, simply repealed the states ratification of the Constitution and subsequent amendments. The secession ordinances of other states did the same.
       The Confederate Constitution proved to he somewhat inconsistent in regard to state rights. It contained no provision for secession, though its preamble averred that each Confederate state was "acting in its sovereign and independent character." One article (like the Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution) affirmed that the "powers not delegated" were "reserved to the States." The states, however, were limited in important ways. For example, they could not (just as the states of the Union could not) pass any law "impairing the obligation of contracts." They could not get rid of slavery, for the citizens of each state were to "have the right of transit and sojourn in any State . . . with their slaves."

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    The same tools such as the Media and the Political interests that serve the wealth that were used in 1860 are being used today by the Faux News Media and the GOP to accomplish their goal.

    That goal is the same today as it was in 1860. To protect the wealth and rights of the wealthy to oppress and enslave the labor of theiir fellow man. The fact that racsim floats on the surface is obvious to those with eyes. what is much more subtle and unnoticed is the fact that, beneath the surface, we are all slaves to the super rich. The tea bag parties and cries for tax relief are what the Oligarchy prefers. Let us fight these battles, and, in so doing, we will ignore EFCA, health care reform, Bush Prosecution and other important change.

    This is how class warfare is fought, by dividing us, in order to better conquer us.

    Meanwhile the selfish, ignorant and greedy claim their right to Go Galt or secede. My hope is that they will quietly, and NOW, and leave us the hell alone, in our states and our country.

    And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!

Originally posted to MinistryOfTruth on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:21 PM PDT.

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  •  Tips for the brave American patriots (13+ / 0-)

    who have to live in the same 50 states as these assholes, and the troops who die defending them.

    There is the door. Security will assist you on your way out.

    Douchebags for tea bags! FOX/GOP = NO! 09

    by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:24:42 PM PDT

  •  Obey or Die. (2+ / 0-)
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    Dirtandiron, MinistryOfTruth

    Love your Chains.

    Lick the master's hand sincerely enough, and he won't beat you this time.

    So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

    by khereva on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:29:07 PM PDT

  •  But Secession was All About Freedom (5+ / 0-)

    Just ask the good folks of the Mississippi Legislature.

    In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course. Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

    This shit was always about treason for the purpose of slavery and white supremacy.

    The slavery question has now been settled.

    But the white supremacists have yet to give up the ghost.

    To those who advocate secession I have a simple answer:

    Sherman

    "My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom."

    It seems some have forgotten the wisdom purchased by their ancestors at such terrible cost.

    Perhaps they need another lesson.

    "I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing." -- Michael Steele, RNC Chairman

    by journeyman on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:40:04 PM PDT

    •  Wage slavery (3+ / 0-)

      is the new fight, the fight for decent jobs with livable wages, with union rights and good retirements. The fight for health care for me and my family and good educations for our children.

      Instead, teh stupid people are protesting their bosses tax hike, even though they got a tax cut?

      WTF?

      Class warfare. This is wage slave on wage slave, mainuplated by the oligarchy behind us all.

      I call bullshit.

      Douchebags for tea bags! FOX/GOP = NO! 09

      by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:46:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  "Divided We Fall".Does all these State's believe (1+ / 0-)
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    that by Seceding that can defend themselves from Russia,China,Al-queda,Mexican Drug Lords,Mexico,Cuba and/or any other Nation that wants to take over an Independent State and also in each State there will be sections that will want to Secede from that State making another littler State that will have factions that want to Secede and make tiny States and then it will get down to Cities Seceding into City States and all of them doing this by War.So ether big blocks of Seceded State conquered by other Nations or the States are destroyed by internal Civil Wars into warring Tribes that will then be Conquered by a strong Nation like China or Russia the end is the same what were Citizens of the United States will be slaves to the Conquering Armies of China and Russia and then without the USA and those Armies in it's place Canada and Mexico will fall to them also.

  •  It would be great to see (2+ / 0-)
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    them fully implement their worldview and watch the disparity in wealth return to antebellum levels.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, March 4, 1937

    by Pangloss on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:50:26 PM PDT

    •  Actually They Were Doing Well (1+ / 0-)
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      MinistryOfTruth

      before the war.

      It was after they were forced to work for a living that things went to hell in a handbasket.

      "I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing." -- Michael Steele, RNC Chairman

      by journeyman on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 10:31:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  as I've said, maybe we need an HUAC (0+ / 0-)

    if the nutty sentiment like Perry's actually goes widespread, and the nationwide GOP adopts it. They're so desperate they could..

  •  Would the United States be better without texas? (2+ / 0-)
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    and the answer is yes.

    Have you forgotten about jesus? Don't you think it's time that you did?

    by uc booker on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 09:56:50 PM PDT

    •  Texas is part of America (6+ / 0-)

      The Union is indivisible.

      This point is not negotiable.

      "I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing." -- Michael Steele, RNC Chairman

      by journeyman on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 10:15:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  exactly (2+ / 0-)
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        Serious discussion that we would even contemplate dividing our country, the greatest country in the world, shows lack of judgment -- and any words from the Texas Governor will be taken seriously.  Finally, such statements -- particularly in a time when we are at war overseas, with over 4,000 American lives lost, and thousands in combat as we speak -- are both offensive, irresponsible and not the words of a patriot.

        I'm a patriot, if they want to secede or go galt, they can go to hell.

        Douchebags for tea bags! FOX/GOP = NO! 09

        by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 10:25:33 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  But didn't this country come into existence (1+ / 0-)
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    because it seceded from the empire it was previously part of?

    "Every thing that is right or natural pleads for separation. The blood of the slain, the weeping voice of nature cries, 'tis time to part."

    •  yes, but there is a difference (0+ / 0-)

      You are talking about a colony (USA) of an empire (Britian) that was populated with naturalized citizens (US born British subjects) and others (Tory and European born settlers)

      this is like Los Angeles county seceding form California, or Virginia demanding to be split into The State of Virgina and the Real State of Virginia.

      revisionist ignorant historically backward assrockets.

      Douchebags for tea bags! FOX/GOP = NO! 09

      by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 10:30:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I would have no problem with either of those two (0+ / 0-)

        scenarios, so long as secession was the will of the citizens of the seceding unit and either the entity which is being seceded from agrees or the seceding unit has the ability to assert and defend its independence through force of arms. I'm a radical like that.

    •  Well Look At The Causes Of Separation (3+ / 0-)

      America's decision to dissolve our bonds with Britain:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      vs.

      Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

      or in the most recent formation: I don't have a chance against the other likely candidate in the primary, so I'll stir up the base and see where it takes us.

      Not exactly a moral equivalent there.

      "I always found it interesting that people would cast aspersions on failure, as if it were a bad thing." -- Michael Steele, RNC Chairman

      by journeyman on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 10:38:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  this is a LOT of Perry fearing for his ass, isn't (1+ / 0-)
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        it.

        How truly fucking pathetic.

        But it's more than that. It is the Palin secessionists and the Galters and a buch of other weirdos I don't want to sit next to on the bus.

        WTF?

        Douchebags for tea bags! FOX/GOP = NO! 09

        by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 10:42:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Oh, for sure, these folks are nuts and stupid and (0+ / 0-)

        there is absolutely no legitimacy to their "arguments"; I was just disagreeing with the title of the diary, and weakly posited that secession is quintessentially American.

  •  rick perry don't speak for this Texan (1+ / 0-)
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    MinistryOfTruth

    time for that dead end to fly away

    aquanut

    Before Jesus, there was love. Without love, there would be no Jesus.

    by oobi on Thu Apr 16, 2009 at 10:38:49 PM PDT

  •  Eh... (0+ / 0-)

    You can not lead a nation if you view it as something to be abandoned at will.

    Eh. The left loses, they depart one person or family at a time, via ex-migration to other countries. The right loses, they depart en masse, via secession. It's a toss-up.

    If a person or a state wants to leave, I see no reason why they shouldn't. It's a free country after all. Or so they keep telling me.

  •  Does this remind anyone else (1+ / 0-)
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    MinistryOfTruth

    of a kid who gets mad, and then takes his ball and goes home?

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