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I thought the stoopid was deep before the election.

I thought the lunacy was a political stunt.

But it's clear to me now that people in my country are so imbued with fear and lust for vengeance that the surreal madness we've seen in recent days is not ending any time soon; it's accelerating.

We're losing what this country has stood for 233 years:
not freedom;
not liberty,
not justice,

but unity.

I lament further below the fold.

Updated at 9:00 AM Sunday I forgot a major link about "Oath Keepers" in the body. Please watch the video below to see what I mean.

The word is right there in our title, and we brag about it every time we speak the name of this country we think we're all so proud of - the United States of America.

But the only unity in this country now is that some parts of this country are acting as if the real enemy is within this country, not foreign to it.

What has Al Queda done in the last seven and a half years?

What have we done to each other in that time?

We're doing all the work for Bin Laden ourselves, and we're getting more effective, more senseless, more blind - more habituated to it each day.

After my last two diaries, Tuesday and Wednesday, what disappointed most was how many of you who share the stage at Kos (where we are labeled by the RW as a homogeneous blind mob bound by groupthink and on a liquid-only diet of Kos’s own personal Koolaid) most felt I was over-reacting. There seems to be a body of thought that unless the militia movement can outgun the Pentagon and get tens of millions amassed in the streets, that there’s nothing to worry about.

My fear is not that there will be ten million armed Republicans in the streets by sundown on July 4. My fear is that when tinder is plentiful and conditions are dry and windy, the smallest spark can start a wildfire that is impossible to arrest before it becomes a self-sustaining, wicked conflagration that will consume everything.

Because there were many opinions in the comments of my Tuesday and Wednesday diaries that suggest April 15 was a * yawn * busted joke.

And my point in both those diaries was that precisely because they really were lame jokes, the fun (sickness) is just getting started. Tragic people do not enjoy being the brunt of a joke. Hypersensative and troubled people can become self-feeding monster of delusion and persecution and patriotism.

My central premise of the Tuesday and Wednesday diaries, although it seems I didn't make it as clear as I had had hoped, was those on the Right will either feel:

a.) like they went bust, which will eat at their self-esteem and gnaw away as days go by -

- or -

b.) they will find rationalization and excuse that the tea-parties really were not a bust, but (as you will see if you dare to visit their sources today) that the tea parties were a success and therefore the appearance they were a bust is evidence that the media is run by Obama and they live in an oppressive, state-run, socialist (but fascist) dictatorship -

- and -

c.) therefore two groups will be created: Those who feel inadequate and be pissed off and work harder; and those who are inspired and feel accomplished and work harder.

Either way, the demon seed was planted. And we will not be able to detect what has sprouted until we see another sick and tragic headline of some lone wolf who's committed some unconscionable act.

...and then there's another

...and then there's another.

Think about it this way: The shooter in Binghamton was said to have been furious that people made fun of his poor English. What do you think is going through the minds of those who showed up at  teabag rallies that were less than spectacular - "oh, well, we tried..." or "We'll fucking show those commie bastards next time...!!" (I'm not saying the shooter in Binghamton was a Republican on a mission; I'm saying that unhinged and angry people have their own reasons, and for us to simply declare they are wrong after the fact doesn't stop the carnage.)

Many of you who commented said that there is no hope of a mass movement from the "tea parties" - and that means you still missed my point completely: I don't fear a nationwide revolution that will have millions of people; I said that as small violence becomes more frequent, law enforcment will be obligated to take greater measures to stop it, and the increased focus on the violence will make the Right insist that Obama is out to create a police state.

It doesn't have to be true for them to believe it. It won't take much for the hysteria to become a call to arms amongst a few unhinged lunatics. They are a self-sustaining fountain of paranoia and delusion we cannot suppress; any attempt to challenge it only causes those who believe it to convince themselves they are correct and under attack.

Ask yourself if this mindset is not conceivable on the RW edges: (my own concept of their thinking)

"...Anyone like the librul media who says that the tea parties were a bust is only a subject of Obama's state-run MSM, following fascist orders to subjugate and deny Republicans their freedom of speech. Corporate run media get their orders from Obama and blindly follow the usurper to his satanic goal of destroying America, and therefore (the RW false claims) of an impending (or existing) fascist state are already true..."

...and where do you think they will go from there?

I don't think it will be down to the park to play badminton.

On Thursday, I grabbed just a few snippets from the RW blogs and news sites.

FreeRepublic:

"Tea Party" Protests Appear to Draw At Least 250,000 -
Cable Anchors, Guests Use Tea Parties as Platform for Frat House Humor

(remember these guys thought that calling Gitmo and Abu Grhaib "frat house pranks" was just fine, and Rush Limbaugh still makes money from the sale of T-shirts and knicknacks with that theme)

RedState :They think we're trembling in woe:

These things have got the Democrats scared..
WarEagle01 Thursday, April 16th at 12:46PM EDT

sh!#less. Most of you have probably picked up on the latest liberal meme: astroturf. Even ardent abortion supporter and Catholic Nancy Pelosi is getting in on it. I just heard her on the radio lying about how the tea parties were just "astroturfing" organized at the "high end" of the Republican hierarchy by people who want to "continue the failed policies of the Bush administration." That’s right Nancy, whenever things get desperate, at least you have the old standby of insulting the Bush administration and average Americans.

(note again how only Republicans are ‘average’ Americans. That was my point about the Kristallnacht analogy; the Republicans have openly declared that Liberals are as suspect and corrosive to American society as Jews were declared to be in Germany. Many of you pointed out that Kristallnacht was government-sponsored propaganda. I grant that you are correct; but does who pays for and promotes the bad ideas really make them any less bad or any less likey to be followed? It’s not the actions that are the same or even who orchestrated it; the point is that they are declaring outright that “we” are so different from “them” that any action taken to stop us will be not only acceptable, but necessary and inevitable.

HumanEvents

Mob Rule Trumps Free Speech at UNC Tancredo walks out when he gets heckled by students

- so what, now it's the public's fault when they show up to drown out a speaker? Wait...isn't "Mob Rule" just the purest form of "democracy"?
How bizarre is it that they are staging national protests while publically protesting about how our public protest was somehow unfair...

ugh.  

UPDATE: I forgot to post this video about something I found over at Human Events - have you heard of "OATH KEEPERS"? There is a movement out there to inspire the military to claim any order from Obama to deal with domestic incident here in the US is an 'unlawful order' - I can't figure out how this video and the whole movement doesn't constitute some kind of 'preemtive insurrection' against the Commander in Chief.

Lastly, I want you to ponder this:

Republicans brag about being the "party of Lincoln".

In Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, he said

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate... we can not consecrate... we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government : of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

...the call was to preserve the union so that the men who died in the battle over that fate did not die in vain.

And now we have Republicans in two states openly suggesting that they may indeed try to fracture the country.

Party of Lincoln?

George Orwell is not the only one rolling over in his grave over the behavior of Republicans these days.

But Bin Laden has to be throwing parties and orgies and consuming opium in great quantities since the Republicans have picked up the slack for him in his goal of destroying America.

Because if three states leave, are we still "United"?

And now you know why I'm pissed off, scared, and depressed.

Bin Laden didn't threaten to split the country last week; one governor, one state legislature, and the silent husband of a vice-presidential candiate with membership in a state independence movement and her speech before their gathering did.

Apparently some Republicans think those brave men did die in vain.

Bin Laden must be so fucking pleased.

Originally posted to snafubar on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 09:36 PM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar. Because we're supposed to. But I don't (20+ / 0-)

    like soaking up the mojo when I write about subjects that are dark and tragic for our future.

    I want this bullshit to stop.

    I want to believe that the word "United" in our name is more than just a word we've gotten used to, I want to believe we've not forgotten what it means to act united, not simply say we are.

    Peace be on us, all of us.

    Because when people start making fun of those who hope for peace, we're headed for the ugly shit with no brakes.

    George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

    by snafubar on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 09:40:24 PM PDT

    •  Great Diary! (3+ / 0-)

      It is good to anticipate the unanticipated. We might joke about this shit but the true color of secessionists and racists in this country are coming out and we must take them seriously and nip it in the butt.

      •  Is this (2+ / 0-)
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        ...nip it in the butt.

        something teabaggers do as foreplay?

        "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

        by happy camper on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 10:10:16 PM PDT

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      •  I've always been the guy who gets told to sit dow (1+ / 0-)
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        when I say "We need to put up a gate at the railroad crossing before a car gets run over by a locomoative" who gets called a nervous nellie or worrywort.

        Then after a schoolbus gets creamed and twenty students get killed, I'm the one who has a nervous breakdown while the same assholes who called me alarmist are then screaming "why did no one see this coming! Why did no one do anything to stop this?"

        It's the way this country is - proactively apathetic; retroactively vindictive and indignant.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 06:19:07 AM PDT

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  •  No states are going to leave (2+ / 0-)
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    No one state, and no group of states, has the power to stand up to the Federal Government, which is infinitely better armed and organized than it was in the days of Abraham Lincoln.  In addition, the secessionists of 1860-1861 began secession before Lincoln took office, so that the problem could not be nipped in the bud before it grew to a serious problem.  If any one state were to try to secede today, the whole thing would be over by the next morning, with Federal troops occupying every fort, armory, and strategic post in the state.  The only advantage would-be secessionists have at this point is that nobody takes them seriously.  If they start actually trying to move something through a legislature, that will obviously change.

    •  The Texas legislature (6+ / 0-)

      reduced Gov. Perry's office funding by 95% as a smackdown for his verbal diarrhea re: secession.

      "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

      by happy camper on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 10:12:46 PM PDT

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    •  Secessionists were grumbling in the (0+ / 0-)

      early 1800's.  South Carolina gave President Jackson fits.  With their fears of slave rebellions and the "Tariff of Abominations" which raised duties from 33% to 50%, South Carolinians believed the federal government to be indifferent to their issues; the core issue being slavery.

      In a letter dated 1827, Thomkas Cooper, the president of SC College stated:

      ..."the time may be at hand when the state will have to calculate the value of the Union, and ask of what use to us is this most unequal alliance."

      I agree whole-heartedly with your prediction that:

      If any one state were to try to secede today, the whole thing would be over by the next morning, with Federal troops occupying every fort, armory, and strategic post in the state.  

      These folks may indeed become dangerous if enough seperate conditions fall into place to create the "perfet storm", but for now --imho -- they are posturing and attempting intimidation to assuage their white male egos now that there is undeniable proof that their age of dominance in the US is over.

      As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. -John F. Kennedy

      by JaxDem on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 04:13:37 AM PDT

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      •  You both made my point; I forgot to include the (1+ / 0-)
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        downstream consequences of Perry's call to secceed - have you heard about the

        "Oath Keepers" -

        If you don't have time to watch the full 8-min video, at least chase down some of their links.

        These guys are a movement that are actually suggesting that if Obama does call out National Guard troops (what's left of them) to deal with domestic situation, that the soldiers in the NG and any other branch of US military have a duty NOT TO FOLLOW ORDERS BY THE PRESIDENT (Commander in Chief) against other AMERICANS.

        Do you remember seeing that during Vietnam?

        I don't.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:58:20 AM PDT

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    •  You missed my point. I didn't say they would (0+ / 0-)

      succeed, I said that the rhetoric was the catalyst to a larger movement.

      Everybody but the idiots with this drool coming out of their mouth knows they can't secceed - the interstate commerce nightmare alone would be such a logistical nightmare it would never get past one day in the Texas Lege -

      but that's not the point of my diary.

      Again - I'm focused on the mentality that is building in the small minds who own guns and have little education. They're the ones who I saw at my local town rally the other night when Alan Keyes spoke. We're not talking intellectual giants here - and one of the stupid little ladies in the crowd, maybe in her early 40's had a sign that read

      "Bind them up with the chains of the Constitution"

      Now - if the RW is able to gather a crowd in 2009 after Obama is president to cry the Constitution is being violated about their fucking taxes, but those very same people who are so concerned about the Constitution stayed home and gave Bush his support after all he did to piss all over it,

      ...I'd say we're dealing with a group who isn't going to be at any table to reason with, because they have no basis in reason.

      I'm not saying a seccesionist movement will succeed in making it happen, I'm saying that it will succeed in getting just enough tightly-wound people with their head up their asses to do something stupid that we've got small uprisings all over the country that will cause a shift in nationwide mentality.

      I'm focused on the lunacy of their rhetoric; not the plausibility of their thoughts.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:52:16 AM PDT

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  •  if he's still alive... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...he must be fairly content to have both his liberty and his pulse.

    Apart from that I doubt he couldn't care less about the idiotic histrionics of Glenn Beck.  

    the intelligence community is no longer geared towards telling the president what they think the president wants to hear

    by Salo on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 10:14:35 PM PDT

    •  Not sure I see your point. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm guessing you read the headline, dropped a comment, and moved along.

      Can I get anything a little more substantive from you about what's in the diary?

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:44:23 AM PDT

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  •  so obama is cruising along with close to 70% (3+ / 0-)
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    approval & the "average american" is the guy with him dressed up like adolph hitler. oh red state, pull your heads out of your asses.

    "Michele Bachmann is like the demi glace of wingnuttia." - Chris Hayes, Countdown, 2/18/09

    by rasbobbo on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 10:39:38 PM PDT

  •  Chill. (3+ / 0-)
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    The left was furious during the Bush years and nothing imploded.  The wingers are not used to once again having an adult in power.  Once they realize nothing for them has really changed, they'll subside with the nuttery.  If they don't, there are legal remedies for those who do stupid stuff.

    •  So you're the one I was talking about.... (0+ / 0-)

      Yep. "nothing to see here, move along...we've seen this all before".

      If it was that easy to sleep at night thinking we could survive anything and this is nothing more than just a bump in the road, I wouldn't be here.

      But I have to ask you - how many years did we have slavery in this country and the attitude was "chill" because the ones inside the chains hadn't been crying out about the injustice for so long and yet they were still there...eventually something turned the tide and things changed.

      Then we went through the same cycle again during the civil rights movement; eventually enough people said "enough" and things got violent; and only once the violence got our attention, things changed - largely because we knew we couldn't tolerate the violence any more.

      So here we are, at the very leading edge perhaps, of a new wave of violence based on a new rallying cry and a new cause for their movement, and all I can get out of you is "chill"?

      Wow - where do you live exactly?

      And do me a favor and watch this spot for my next diary - I want to show you a headline that I'm working on:

      http://www.standardspeaker.com/...

      Is the irony in those two headlines as bizarre to you as it is to me - We've got the NRA out here demanding that they be able to carry weapons in a public park, and here we are in April already with the city's twentieth shooting.

      Chill....

      Wish I could, friend. But this little town in is one of the places that is going to be national news soon enough I fear, and I'd like to have a conversation about the "why" while we're still in the debate mindset because it's a little late after all the bullets are in the air.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:42:19 AM PDT

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  •  Bin Laden did not have to do anything (2+ / 0-)
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    after the 9/11 attacks.  He knew like the rest of the world knows that when a government mismanages their money and neglect their resources to defend themselves they are on a path to self destruction.  England, Spain, Russian... all of them wasted money on war.  Bin Laden knew Bush did not have a brain and Cheney's shortcomings fueled his hate and heighten his superiority complex, and greed would replace common sense, patience and logic.  See everyone knows the US uses war for profit, not to win. All he had to do was sit back for a decade and watch it all fall apart.  Lucky Obama is the right man to start a new beginning for the US.  But the psycho nuts are in the way.  I say give them Texas and Alaska so we can rid the virus once and for all.

  •  Rec'd for this: (4+ / 0-)

    It doesn't have to be true for them to believe it. It won't take much for the hysteria to become a call to arms amongst a few unhinged lunatics. They are a self-sustaining fountain of paranoia and delusion we cannot suppress; any attempt to challenge it only causes those who believe it to convince themselves they are correct and under attack.

    So true.

    GOP: Turning the U.S. into a banana republic since 1980

    by Youffraita on Sat Apr 18, 2009 at 11:40:05 PM PDT

  •  We were already broken my friend (7+ / 0-)

    Bin Laden didn't invent this circumstance.  He knowingly exploited a wound we have been carrying for a long time.  We have been at war with each other since the moment Kennedy was shot.  We can debate when this all started, but I think that is as good a place as any to start.  It was the time when being liberal meant things had to finally change, and conservative meant preserving the way our society had always functioned.

    This is the war today.  Look at us.  What is a liberal?  We are a collection of black and brown, gay and lesbian, labor and disenfranchised souls.  We represent the voices of those, who had no voice.

    That scares conservatives to the core.  Throw out the nonsense they spout and look a little deeper.  The social structure they were raised with is fading with each generation.  The history they take comfort in is being modified.  We are forcing the inclusion of everything they overlooked in their patriotic tale.  We are telling them now that games of cowboys and indians might not be as morally certain as they have come to believe.

    Unity will require a common future, and a sacrifice of a fractured past.  That concept rallies against the basis of a conservative America.  Change is many things, but it is never tidy.

    •  Perhaps it did begin w/Kennedy's (2+ / 0-)
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      assignation.  I've always been of the mind that upon the collapse of the Soviet Union, we americans were suddenly unprepared to deal with the loss of something/someone to hate.  The Republicans used that need to have a "boogyman" that we collectively feared to their advantage by finding the boogymen within our borders.  From that momemt on they became a party of hate and fear mongering and found that it won them elections quite nicely thank you very much.  

      As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. -John F. Kennedy

      by JaxDem on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 04:21:16 AM PDT

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      •  Excellent point; I agree about the collapse of (2+ / 0-)
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        the Soviet Union and the absense of "them" in that sense; I'll take it one further and use that same issue to again ask why Ronald Reagan is such a hero for "singlehandedly defeating communism" (tell me you've never heard that from the Right)...

        ...meanwhile, one of Richard Nixon's few positive contributions was "opening up" relations with China.

        Well now...they're, um...how do I say this politely... Isn't China Communist? Isn't most of our debt now held by China? Is our trade deficit now not greatest with China?

        So when some RW clown gives Ronald Reagan credit for "defeating communism", I gotta point out "you missed a spot".

        ...and it looks like Obama is going to get credit (in a weird way, like Nixon did - and by doing it the same way, with a handshake) for 'normalizing' relations with Cuba.

        ...not to utter words, but to live by them.

        That's a great quote too.

        From the Witches at Salem, to Indians with feathers, to blacks with chains, and then blacks without chains, and then all of the Eastern European immigrants that are now largely "us" - this country has indeed relied on having a boogeyman of some kind all along it's history.

        Makes you wonder - when Bush would talk about why "they" hate "us" - he was talking about the United States against the world. He never talked much about the "them" and "us" within our borders.

        Thanks for your comment.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:31:26 AM PDT

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    •  And you wonder why they are unhinged?! (1+ / 0-)
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      "And so, my fellow Americans: Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country." -JFK

      by RyanBTC on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 04:28:03 AM PDT

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      •  I think his point (well made) was precisely (1+ / 0-)
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        why they are...so we can agree he - and the rest of us - dont' need to wonder any more.

        It's obvious.

        George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

        by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:14:37 AM PDT

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    •  That's why I love writing diaries; what you just (1+ / 0-)
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      wrote is a diary unto itself, and you said some things much better than I did - and it opens new ideas.

      We are telling them now that games of cowboys and indians might not be as morally certain as they have come to believe.

      - I'd like to devote an entire diary to that; because by the moral standards of today's Christians, what this nation did to it's native inhabitants is beyond a war crime, it's genocide in some cases. And I'd like to take the Christian angle one step further - if the Jews are worth so much US effort because they were driven from their land thousands of years ago and it must be given back, why are the immigrants of this country since Columbus aren't crawling on our hands and knees with great apology to give back all that we stole from the native American Indians?

      That one always got to me...Israel deserves all of their land, even the West Bank and Gaza, the Palestinians who've lived there for hundred generations get nothing (if you listen to the fundamentalist Christians) - but all's square over here with a as long as our native Americans get a few thousand acres scattered across the country. (and casinos...)

      I'll take a point about "when this all started" - that doesnt' even matter, because regardless of when we pin down the "date of vitriol and blame" - does it really change how we treat each other from now on?

      It shouldn't - otherwise, that's an admission that we're still obsessed with worrying about things that are not doing anything to affect the outcome.

      Bin Laden didn't have to start it to be able to reap the spoils....

      Thanks for your comment

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 05:22:53 AM PDT

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  •  I saw a new gun shop opening up (1+ / 0-)
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    on friday morning.

    Granted, this doesn't seem so out of place in pennsylvania - where pay to play government has doublecrossed its people so many times they are cynically pissed off - but the area is just a few minutes away from new jersey.

    This place can undoubtedly take advantage of cross-border sales because of NJ's stricter gun purchasing laws.

    Anecdotally, I can say that there are obviously wackos in every state, not just the stereotypical areas of the wingnut's heartland.

    •  Pennsylvania is a really screwed up state (0+ / 0-)

      Go figure that all our democrats have to be corrupt.

      I had a 40 minute banter with a guy on election night who was suggesting that voting for Obama was going to "sanction" corruption amongst Pennsylvania Democrats.

      In other words, he claimed we could not vote for a Democratic POTUS/Commander in Chief because of all the corruption amongst the local and state Democrats within the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

      I'm certain there's wackos in every state - what I'm worried about is when they all find common cause - which is what I see that has been started with this 'teabag' movement.

      George Orwell is banging on the lid of his coffin and screaming, "1984 was a cautionary tale, you dolts, not a motivational speech!"

      by snafubar on Sun Apr 19, 2009 at 06:44:41 AM PDT

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  •  You make a very good point (0+ / 0-)

    I post comments on this British site. The commentator is a zionist and neocon with a completely hysterical hatred of all things Obama (her lastest masterpiece is this)

    One of the commentators actually posted the following :

    "We have a Constitutional right to protest and petition the government whether our candidate wins an election or not."

    as well as:

    "If you want to discuss our grievances, you should at least listen to us first instead of our detractors in the media and internet. They are promoting Fedzilla's control beyond the Constitutional limits. They foolishly believe a utopia will manifest when the far left controls all three branches of the Federal government through the Democratic Party."

    and finally this classic:

    "You would think from the propaganda they spread about themselves, the Left would be leading the Tea Parties. The truth is the Left cares nothing about human rights. They never have.

    We are enemies of the Left merely because we oppose tyranny. We did not make it so."

    Jon Stewart quipped that these people are confusing tyranny with losing. I actually think it's more serious than that.

    When you are dealing with people who are so entrenched in their viewpoint you are going to have problems. When they have completely glossed over the excesses and actions of the previous administration who supported their political viewpoint to claim that their opponents are doing worse and throw the added element that a lot of these people have access to a large amount of firearms, you're not thowing gasoline on a fire, you're throwing Napalm.

    Now good luck to you, Man United are playing in the FA Cup semi-final. I'll see you all in two hours.

  •  I started a blog to tweak Oath Keepers (0+ / 0-)

    5 minutes after I saw one of their Youtube videos about a month ago.
    Anyone that wants to contribute just send me an email address to send the invitation to.

    http://oathkeepersaredangerousmorons...

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