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Listen, during the primary and the general election, there was a natural tendency on the part of many on the left to over idealize him and make him into something he is not. He was a community organizer. He is educated, decent humane and intelligent. He does share our values. His entire life path wasn't a sham. It was real. His speeches were self written and spoke to a cohesive world view and vision for this country.

I know that there are many, now, who are more and more irate and bitterly disappointed. Actually, I have had these feelings too. How could I not?

Between some back pedaling on the environment and capitulation to the coal industry, to FISA, the bailout and, of course, the recent torture debacle, it's obvious that things are not going the way that we want. It's easy to start comparing Obama to W when he actually takes some of the same positions. AARGGH!

Still, I think it all makes sense. (Not that it's right.)

Obama, IMHO, really does want to do some good and create, you know...."HOPE" and "CHANGE" in the world. I don't think it's a bunch of crap that he doled out just to win the election.

That said, he is and has always been a pragmatist. He has ideals, but he is primarily a people person. He works with people, not abstract paradigms. He assesses situations quickly and adapts to the situation.


remember. We did not elect him emperor. He is president. He cannot work in Washington by being a stubborn Ralph Nader. If he was that type, he wouldn't get anything done. He wouldn't have even become a senator, let alone the president. Did you really think that he could single handedly wrest our nation from corporate control in one or two terms? or five months?

I don't agree with the way he is doing things, but I understand why it's happening. I wish our government wasn't run by corporate interests. I wish we could undo every grain of the last administration down to uncovering every single person who colluded and was part of corruption lies and torture. If we want to move in that direction, we have to continually press for transparency and honesty. We have to remain active and diligent. We still have to "fight the power."

Still, the power has changed. The person in the WH may be swayed by special interests and he may do things that are patently wrong. But he still is light years away from W and Cheney. They didn't capitulate to corporate interests. They were the corporate interests. They had a world view that didn't just justify, but lauded their behavior. They had values that are completely foreign to liberals. I really think Cheney relished the idea of "enhanced interrogation" methods.

It is better.....

just not great.

Originally posted to rini6 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 08:56 AM PDT.

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  •  TJ (8+ / 0-)

    if you want..

    An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

    by rini6 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 09:00:50 AM PDT

  •  We all should be the change that we seek (2+ / 0-)
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    rini6, Keith the Democrat

    IMHO  , if you don't like the health insurer you have and you think all health insurers are crooks then don't buy health insurance. Hard choice for some right, but no harder than the choices we expect our politicians to make. Let's make some personal hard choices for the change we can believe in.  

    If you don't like the credit card companies ripping you off, then stop using the credit cards. Cut 'em up , throw them away, close out the accounts.

    If you seriously don't like torture in any form, then the next time you see the local police beating the crap out of somebody, stop and say something about it. Be the change you seek. Take personal action.

    If you don't like the high taxes on oil or the war for oil, stop driving your car, ride a bicycle. It may take longer and more of your energy, but, heh, you would be walking the talk and not just yepping or posting dairies , right?

    If you think the food is too high and the meat is full of poison, stop eating meat and grow your own food. What was that? You don't have time because you are too busy working on a job you hate to pay for all the toys that you paid too much for. Most of the toys made in china could kill you anyway.

    You get my point by now.  Be your own change!!!

    •  and other shopworn New Age cliches* (0+ / 0-)

      Why are we on this side so much like the other side when it comes to tribe loyalty? Nada Lemming

      by Matthew Detroit on Sat May 16, 2009 at 09:44:25 AM PDT

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      •  Things get shopworn for a reason. (1+ / 0-)
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        A good tool, frequently used, will shape itself to the user's hand over months and years.  

        We won't see anything positive on torture beyond Obama's recent memos until 70% of the jury pool ceases believing that torture is permissible, at least rarely.  Should the trials come, the defense will simply divide the number of torture victims by the number of people at Gitmo, come up with some number under 10% and say that it was only done rarely.  Until then, a prosecution faces acquittal.

        For that matter, the strongest weapon in Obama's arsenal may be an Executive pardon, but that is not politically possible at the moment.  Note that Nixon withdrew from public life after his pardon, and retiring Dick Cheney from public life would be a blessing.

        2009: Year of the Donkey. Let's not screw it up.

        by Yamaneko2 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 10:06:15 AM PDT

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      •  which part is new age?.... (1+ / 0-)
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        Growing your own food dates back to the beginning of time, or do you think there were grocery chains then?

        The act of cutting up credit cards is New Age?  Really?

        Refusing to play a game that is rigged for you to lose every time is New Age?

        All of these ideas are shopworn? Then why are so many people still complaining about getting ripped off by the credit card and health insurance companies. ?

  •  Some of the yelling against Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    LI Mike

    He is a politician and a President of a nation that holds some truly disturbing views on torture.  The infamous Gallup 50-50 torture poll included "rarely torture" with the "No torture" 50%.  So, what do you expect from such a nation's freely-elected President?  For that matter, where were the Congressional Democrats between Abu Gharib and now?

    I talked to my pastor a couple weeks ago about torture.  He is quite liberal, profoundly Christian and urged me to join the ACLU, of which he is a member.  I talked to him about torture, and he gave the "difficult case", that is, torturing somebody who knows where the dirty bomb is located.  To torture one person in order to save nine Americans would be worth it.  

    You would think that the nation who placed the First Amendment into law would be the most anti-torture on the planet.  But as I head north to visit my family, I will cross the "Trail of Death" marker commemorating the removal of Potawotami Indians.  In the last segment of the trip, I will pass a tavern that served as a stop on the Underground Railroad:  "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" was simply "pursuit" if you were black.  Almost anywhere in this country, you will see similar markers and similar ghosts will haunt the local historical societies.

    We have been a hypocritical nation on torture for 200 years, as have most of the others who proclaim its evil.  "Liberty, equality and fraternity" devolved quickly into the equality of the grave when Royalists were pursued.  Great Britain tortured after World War II, most particularly in the years following Churchill's first cashiering under a "liberal" government.  At least Canada was honest about it when it declared martial law to fight Quebec secessionist terrorism.  

    While Administrations before Bush 43 may not have tolerated torture by agents of the US on American soil, they had very few problems with outsourcing it to other countries or supporting other countries fighting our mutual enemies.  Carter turned a blind eye to the actions of the Shah of Iran, Reagan had his Contras, Bush 41 had Saddam until he no longer had Saddam.  

    Not that the other governments of our land have been any better.  Confirmed allegations of police brutality and prison systems in which "everybody knows" that anal rape is rampant are one example.  Jim Crow flourished in states, as did the toleration of Pinkertons attacking strikers.  It wasn't the nation but the State of Illinois that carried out the Haymarket hangings.  The State of Indiana requested the Potawotami removal.  Agents of the City of Los Angeles carried out the Rodney King beating.    

    I love this country.  In most aspects it is among the elite of nations and in a few, the unqualified champion.  That we elected a President from a national minority that, within living memory, was barred from the ballot box is unparalleled.  But America is far from perfect, and on an exam with 300 million questions, even an A grade usually ignores many millions of errors.    

    To those who want an end to torture, Obama's executive order forbidding it was a good beginning of the first stage of the start.  The first stage of the start would be taking whatever actions are necessary to dissuade people from torturing, possibly including prosecutions, but this will only happen when the polity is good and ready and the national jury pool is no longer 70%+ "Torture is okay if rarely used";  even worse than not prosecuting Bush's little Torquemadas would be prosecuting them and failing to convict;  we don't need a half-dozen whiny Oliver Norths running around.  


    2009: Year of the Donkey. Let's not screw it up.

    by Yamaneko2 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 10:00:36 AM PDT

  •  We did not elect him emperor (4+ / 0-)

    Then why is he refusing to release the pictures which the courts have said must be released?

    My first wish is to see War, this plague to mankind, banished from off this earth. George Washington, 1796 farewell address

    by BOHICA on Sat May 16, 2009 at 10:06:06 AM PDT

    •  And why is he denying habeus corpus in Bagram (1+ / 0-)
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      Defending a black hole prison in Afghanistan, identical to the one the courts have said is illegal in Cuba?

    •  He's exercising his right to appeal to a higher (0+ / 0-)

      court.  What's "undemocratic" about that?

      "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

      by lordcopper on Sat May 16, 2009 at 10:43:14 AM PDT

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      •  Why? (0+ / 0-)

        Why break his word and actively defend authoritarian policies created by Bush?

        Why tweak the military commissions that candidate Obama claimed needed scrapping in favor of "our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice"?

        And if you don't agree that denying prisoners (at Bagram) the right to challenge their imprisonment is undemocratic, I'm not sure what he can do in the Bush mold that would upset you.

        David Sanger of the NYT:

        President Obama’s decisions this week to retain important elements of the Bush-era system for trying terrorism suspects and to block the release of pictures showing abuse of American-held prisoners abroad are the most graphic examples yet of how he has backtracked, in substantial if often nuanced ways, from the approach to national security that he preached as a candidate, and even from his first days in the Oval Office.

        •  Perhaps because he's "responsible" and doesn't (0+ / 0-)

          have the luxury of ideological purity.

          "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

          by lordcopper on Sat May 16, 2009 at 11:03:19 AM PDT

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          •  He should have warned us (0+ / 0-)

            That his promises as a candidate on this front were merely bait for those of us who do have ideals. I'm sure that wouldn't have lost any votes amongst pure-supporters like yourself, who have no ideology, no self-defined system of values and goals, beyond  knee-jerk praise of Obama.

            The campaign is over. Either he actually delivers change on these issues or he reveals himself to be an enabler or worse of Bush/Cheney authoritarianism.

            •  A wise man once said " No battle plan survives (0+ / 0-)

              contact with the enemy".

              Those of you who think the President should govern to meet your personal desires are unreasonable.  You are obviously not "Democrats", but single issue voters bent upon your own personal goals ( and ultimately the destruction of the Democratic Party as a governing party).  The truth is that your views don't represent the mainstream, or a majority.  Good luck with your ideology.  However, I doubt the 2% of the population which agrees with your priorities can make it happen, and the Democratic Party will be stronger when your corrupting influence is gone.

              "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

              by lordcopper on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:58:45 PM PDT

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              •  Good luck to you (0+ / 0-)

                With your ideal-free support of a political machine indifferent to corruption and injustice, motivated only to claiming its slice of the corporate-sanctioned exploitation of an electorate that justly asks that their empowering votes be met with campaign promises kept.

                What enemy are you talking about, BTW? The enfeebled, disgraced party of Bush? The brilliant Obama, having destroyed them at the polls, now cedes authority to these losers within months of the election? Does that make sense to you? From a pure power angle?

                That's the sort of party that really justifies and rewards support, the kind that takes overwhelming approval at the polls as further evidence that their ostensible values, those that secure their association with their base, are losers.

                •  I guess you should have followed your inclination (0+ / 0-)

                  and voted for Nader in the last election.  Politics is the art of the possible.  Until you realize that, this country will never begin to right itself.  Obama is rightly focused on the big issues that affect the daily lives of Americans.  When those issues have been addressed, then we can squabble over ideology.  To do otherwise would be a recipe for returning to "minority party" status.

                  BTW, in regards to the "enemy", I was referring to the Republican Party and the ongoing national debates we have been engaged in for the last 40 years.  Obama won an election against a party bankrupt of ideas.  That is not a mandate to enact every "wet dream" from the left of the political spectrum.  The times demand pragmatic thinking and a focus on the "big" issues.  To govern is to choose.

                  "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                  by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 08:35:14 AM PDT

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                  •  Excusing war crimes is not a winner, politically (0+ / 0-)

                    For you fringe wet dream = quibbling ideology = prosecution of torture. That's a formulation that had no popular American context before Bush.

                    Reagan signed an international treaty banning torture under any circumstances and bragged about signing it. The Bush program wasn't only outrageously criminal, it was a radical break with the past that goes beyond party dynamics.

                    I'm not sure how old you are, but I grew up learning that we had to challenge the Nazis and the Soviets precisely because we don't torture people, amongst other crimes against humanity. Has the entire country that came to maturity before Bush forgotten that pride? Impossible. To suggest it is to give Bush and Cheney the power to rewrite history.

                    You claim it will slow Obama down to return America to a nation of laws that truly respects basic human rights. I claim that it would win him deep respect and gratitude in a country publicly disgraced by the secret crimes of a radical elite.

                    For your type, challenging a Republican is never an opportunity to satisfy voters, never a teaching moment, never a moral requirement. It's always something to cower away from. You help make the Democratic party an irrelevant enabler of a descent into authoritarianism.

                    •  Keep ignoring the reality (that we have a fickle, (0+ / 0-)

                      non-ideological electorate) and continue listening to your echo.  That is a recipe for returning the levers of power to the GOP.  Whichever party delivers this country economic stability and relative peace abroad, will enjoy the leadership role for the next generation (or at least until we fuck everything up again).  Focus on that task and the other issues are possible.  Ignore that reality, and there will not be the opportunity to address the issues we all care so much about (but are not foremost in the minds of the electorate).  Unless you believe the GOP will address these issues appropriately.

                      "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                      by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 11:27:33 AM PDT

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                      •  Most want inquiry into anti-terror tactics (0+ / 0-)

                        Stop listening to David Gregory and the rest of the court jesters and acknowledge that voters are adults who can have concerns about both their pocket books and whether or not they are becoming Nazis, especially if championed by an eloquent politician, unafraid of some of worst scum this country has ever seen in politics:


                        Waiting for the health care pony merely signals to the international community, to the young of this country, and to Cheneys past and future that torture is not a crime that has consequences in America.

                        And think about how much evidence the CIA is likely to destroy as Obama slow-mos the doc revelation while simultaneously promising to defend the Agency from prosecution.

                        Trembling in the face of "national security" failures and outright crimes isn't a winner, it's a declaration that Dems agree that they are so profoundly weak on those issues that simply enforcing the law is beyond their powers.

                        •  That's BS, and if you have any life experience at (0+ / 0-)

                          all, you must know it.  Voters are worried foremost about "their" future, and they will make electoral decisions on that basis.

                          Do your own survey. Talk to a cross section of people in your area (not just your friends who share similar ideals), and you will see the fears and anxieties driving the electorate.

                          "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                          by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 12:36:49 PM PDT

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                          •  You reply to a poll with a request for a poll? (0+ / 0-)

                            BTW -- I voted for Obama in a primary and the GE, and I've voted straight Dem my whole life.

                            But chicken shit demonstrations like that of Obama curling up in a ball in the face of torture, and the no-checks-no-balances perversity of the last of the Reagan Democrats, that is the Dems in Congress, are literally useless in changing this country for the better.

                            So your win-by-letting-them-win strategy will likely lose my vote in future elections. You claim that losing votes like mine will lead to a stronger party. Can't stop following the GOP, can you people? Right down the drain.

                          •  Don't let the door hit you on the way out. (0+ / 0-)

                            "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                            by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 02:34:00 PM PDT

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                          •  Keep drumming up that support! (0+ / 0-)

                            Remember the new slogan -- no change for you because it will magically kill the bipartisan pony! And it will be the same crap on health care.

                          •  C'mon, you're not a Democrat. The Democratic (0+ / 0-)

                            Party is just the most convenient vehicle to enact your goals.  Your participation on a site which has the stated mission of electing Democrats is a farce.  You don't see the bigger picture.  Hell, you don't care about the bigger picture.  You're a single issue voter.  Good luck getting the type of govt you want from the GOP.

                            "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                            by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 03:17:06 PM PDT

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                          •  Your diminishing goals (0+ / 0-)

                            are the definition of the party and my expectation that it keep its various campaign promises is the stuff of farce?

                            You're willing to have those who tortured -- in order to invent a justification for a war of aggression -- escape any justice so that heath care will have a better chance, a bargain that is absurd on its face, and I'm the single issue voter?

                            No, I want universal health care and justice for those who were tortured and for those who were imprisoned without legal recourse. I want gays to be welcome in the military. I want Bush's state secrets regime ended, not extended as Obama has done. All these things and more, the things that were promised.

                            I've got numerous issues, but you seem to have one: "they told me it was impossible".

                            And there is no way I'm voting GOP. The very problem with the Dems in Washington is that THEY are voting GOP.

                          •  You are more intent on punishing the Bush Admin, (0+ / 0-)

                            than saving America.  It is obvious where your passion lies.  

                            Realize that Bush committed his crimes with acquiescence of the American people. He wasn't just foisted on us by aliens from outer space, a majority of this country chose him, twice (in any event, he got more votes than he should have).  Now everyone wants to repudiate his actions.

                            Now you want to spend Obama's term arguing with those who were cast out of power, and set the precedent of incoming administrations settling scores with outgoing administrations.  Well I say that what's done is done, and this focus on the past is not worth risking the future of the American people by failing to act on the pressing issues that we face.  Everyone knows the truth, what is there to be gained, and what is the cost?

                            "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                            by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 04:01:21 PM PDT

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                          •  So only the weak must obey the law? (0+ / 0-)

                            Laws were broken, for goodness sake. Obama doesn't really have a choice of simply forgiving Bush. The US government is compelled to prosecute violations of these laws. And so, if you and Obama weren't the victims of the torture, by what right can you forgive its perpetrators?

                            And, no, we the people did not commit the torture or agree to it. Not yet we haven't. We were told by Bush that the US does not torture. Of course we have gradually learned that Bush was full of shit about everything. We have had a couple of chances to fix the problems he created, by voting in the party that promised a return to law and transparency, and we are being let down by that party. It does us no good to excuse their failure to live up to their promises. It would mean that elections are meaningless. Without meaningful elections, we are powerless.

                            Obama can do more than one thing at one time, and as President he must. He asked for this job and now he has it. If Holder would simply appoint a special prosecutor, he and Obama would actually be able to wash their hands of the problem while also insuring that it was dealt with legally.

                            How many other atrocities are you willing to see essentially normalized, legalized, in your name and for the the benefit of the most powerful people in this country, all for the dubious claim that justice cannot be achieved during a time of economic rebuilding?

                            And score settling? These were crimes against humanity! So the self-proclaimed truer Dem is parroting GOP talking points? Doesn't make sense.

                          •  Oh, are you surprised that the law does not (0+ / 0-)

                            apply to everyone equally?  You really are naive.  Next you'll be telling me that this is the first incident of torture since the Nuremberg trials or the Geneva Accords.  Grow up.

                            "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                            by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 04:47:27 PM PDT

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                          •  Why do you give a shit about anything? (0+ / 0-)

                            If you think it some form of sophistication to excuse torture?

                            So when they screw us over on the health care promises, all this crap you've been spewing about it being the most important thing will simply be something that the rubes should have had the sense to see through, right?

                            Allright, I'm through with you. Go back to studying David Brooks.

                          •  When we get screwed over it's because idealists (0+ / 0-)

                            like yourself weaken the coalition.  Like I said, the Democratic Party is stronger without you, than with you.  Good luck in the "Pollyanna Party".

                            "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                            by lordcopper on Sun May 17, 2009 at 05:58:46 PM PDT

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        •  If you read what (0+ / 0-)

          he said in the campaign on military tribunals, he indicated that the Act needed to be altered and that there was a place for them in our system of military justice. Again, he is doing what he promised..tweak the tribunal system,work to change the Act, and get some movement of this handful of guys who will not be getting tried in our justice system.

          Not perfect. But better than nothing.

          •  The candidate indicated he'd ditch commissions (0+ / 0-)

            He said this, have you seen contrary quotes?

            That the Hamdan trial – the first military commission trial with a guilty verdict since 9/11 – took several years of legal challenges to secure a conviction for material support for terrorism underscores the dangerous flaws in the Administration’s legal framework. It’s time to better protect the American people and our values by bringing swift and sure justice to terrorists through our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice.


  •  Good post rini6 (1+ / 0-)
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    After Obama was elected I said to myself -- he ain't gonna do everything you want, be happy with what you get (Schip, Ledbetter fair wage act, higher min wage, stim pckg, stronger environmental regs) cause it will be a whole lot better than the repubs.

    Having said that though -- Obama and the Dems truly are chicken shits.

  •  O-BOMB-A is a captive of the Bankers & War thugs (1+ / 0-)
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    Obama's utter contempt for the grassroots, the left, and the sane (non-violent) center, is impossibe to ignore here. We won the 2008 Election, but he just threw that out, and instead brought back the corrupt Necons  (Robert Gates, James Jones) and the WallStreet crooks (Geithner, Summers, Emmanual) to retain their power anyway, and they're still calling all the shots.

    We just got 4 more years of War, Civilian Bombings, death, and destruction, and Financial Bankruptcy.

    Oh, plus No respect for the Rule of Law, Civil Liberties, or the Constitution either.

    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
    people of good conscience to remain silent."
         --Thomas Jefferson

    by FreeSociety on Sat May 16, 2009 at 10:47:33 AM PDT

    •  But Michigan and Florida shouldn't count! (1+ / 0-)
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      And remember -- the superdelegates can change their minds. So Hillary can still win this nomination, and --

      Oh, wait. I'm sorry. That was last year's boring, tired, senseless, factually incorrect -- did I mention boring? -- pointless, relentlessly stupid, annoying -- did I mention boring to the point of inducing tears? -- argument.

      Yes, President Obama is exactly like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. You're 100% right. I don't even know why I bothered voting. You're right. Obama is a monster and a war criminal.

      Do some people simply have a magnetic attraction to nonsense?

      •  I voted for Obama, in a primary and the GE (1+ / 0-)
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        And he is turning out to be a profound disappointment. If you think that nonsensical, you apparently have not been following his promise-breaking reversals towards a sickening maintenance of Bush's authoritarian War on Terror.

        But you're right, the campaign is over, so we should now judge him by the actions he actually is taking as President, rather than excuse him with references to the battles of the campaign.

        •  I don't agree with the decisions that he made (0+ / 0-)

          but I realize that I don't know the circumstances and politics behind them. I am not saying that he's doing the right thing, just that what he's doing now belies the values that he has lived for most of his life, so there must be something that we don't know. He isn't all powerful and corporate/military interests still control our government. We shouldn't have though that would change so easily.

          I'm still glad that McCain's not in the WH and I do think that there is still a difference.

          An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

          by rini6 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 01:40:54 PM PDT

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          •  He has the power. He just has no Courage (1+ / 0-)
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            That's a cop out.
            Obama has all the power that he needs.

            • He had the free choice to elect not to bring back (Bush War Secretary) Robert Gates for four more years, but just capitulated to the Neocons.
            • He has the power to  stop the reckless aerial bombings of civilians (which makes nobody any safer).
            • He can stop the mindless expansion of the War, and shortsighted "Military Solution" based approach and strategy.
            • He can end the Iraq War in 3 months, not 3+ years! (with 50,000 permanently stuck there, which of course means that there is no end)
            • He can reduce the Military budget, instead of increase it even beyond the crazy Bush levels.
            • He can uphold the Rule of Law, with no exceptions and no exemptions, and finally restore faith in the American system once again. That is a principle that everyone can understand, and only the guilty could possibly object to.
            • He can give single-payer advocates a seat at the table, instead of ban them from any representation whatsoever, and treat them as an irrelevance.
            • etc.

            While it is true that the Military/Banking interests still control many things, an active U.S. President does indeed have the power to undo, reject, and reverse bad policy, and to use the bullypulpit to speak out for a wiser, saner, cheaper, and less violent set of policies.

            Obama's problem is not that he has no power.
            Obama's problem is that he has no damn political Courage.

            He's a coward.

            "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
            people of good conscience to remain silent."
                 --Thomas Jefferson

            by FreeSociety on Sat May 16, 2009 at 02:15:43 PM PDT

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            •  Maybe he is scared (2+ / 0-)
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              quagmiremonkey, FreeSociety

              But we don't know what corrupt tactics are being used behind the scenes.

              I do think he isn't the bravest, so you may be right.


              An eye for an eye and the whole world will be blind.

              by rini6 on Sat May 16, 2009 at 02:48:44 PM PDT

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              •  There are all kinds of possibilities (2+ / 0-)
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                He could be philosophically/strategically aligned with the all-too-familiar Democratic elites who consistently rolled over for Bush when he was in power, a group that seems embarrassed by their progressive base and always seeking to move to the middle, i.e. towards the right, with the encouragement of corporate media.

                He could be a disinterested party, sort of like Bush, who does his job in front of the cameras and then lets the power brokers surrounding him actually craft policy.

                Or the right and/or centrist Dems could be hanging some sort of threat over his head, as you say.

                Whatever is going on behind the curtain, I think that the only thing we as voters should really care about is if and how our policy goals are being advanced. Because those goals would be tangible improvements to a failed system that hurts many people in real ways. Pure speculation about one very powerful man's plight should not turn us away from those goals. If Obama cannot or will not for whatever reason make good on his promises then he will ultimately fail us, because it is policy, real world change, that we are after.

                Obama will be allright, you know? Probably a rich and influential person for the rest of his life, however this goes down. If he breaks promises and fails to fix that which he said he'd fix, it's really up to him to deal with the justifiable disappointment and outrage that that understandably causes. One way for him to deal with it would be to make good. For the life of me, I can't imagine a negative impact in 2012 if he simply allows the law to tear down the hated house that Bush built.

              •  The bravest President, was this guy... (1+ / 0-)
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                "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold, is for
                people of good conscience to remain silent."
                     --Thomas Jefferson

                by FreeSociety on Sat May 16, 2009 at 07:38:16 PM PDT

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