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I changed my title.  This was an angry diary and I really wanted it to reflect that.

Words Are Powerful.    Those people that equate abortion with murder are at least partially responsible for the death of Dr. Tiller and many like him.  They might not have pulled the trigger or even knowingly approved of the act, but is it completely out of the question that if you scream about the slaughter of babies and the righteousness of your cause that someone might actually believe these things and feel it is the right thing to do?  To shoot down the ‘murderers’?  To commit violent acts against women choosing to terminate a pregnancy?  And then afterwards, when they are made into martyrs in the anti-choice community, do you really believe it’s enough to put out a statement that condemns the ‘act of violence’?  

That, my friends, is what is known as talking out of one’s ass.  And you know what?  I don’t believe them.  Not for one minute.

Police are now saying the 51 year old suspect in the murder of Dr. Tiller, Scott Roeder, (FreeStateDem broke this) was an isolated individual, but I hope the media tears the case apart to be sure of that because if he is connected at all, then we need to demand that the domestic terrorist group he might be associated with is treated like any other group in this country that supports – either directly or indirectly – terrorists.  And if the media doesn't, then I trust some of you will take the case on.  :P

Freeze their assets, interrogate their leadership (sans torture, because that's not what we're about) and bring this person (or people) to justice.

And we need to USE that word; TERRORIST.


  1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
  1. a person who terrorizes or frightens others to promote what they consider to be a righteous cause.

Incidents of Domestic Terrorism directly related to anti-choice activists.  (From Wikipedia)


In the U.S., violence directed toward abortion providers has killed at least 7 people, including 3 doctors, 2 clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[4]

•March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest.

•June 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside of another facility in Pensacola.

•December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi, who prior to his arrest was distributing pamphlets from Human Life International

•January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed.

•October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York.

•May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he was entering his church in Wichita, KS. [6]

Those Connected to the Terrorist Group, Army Of God;  Any of these terrorists sound familiar?  These are people that openly admit a connection to this group, the group that still has an online shrine to Paul Hill.  Imagine being connected to a group honoring Al Queda and bragging about it.  

•Clayton Waagner
•Rev. Michael Bray, considered the "chaplain of the Army of God".
•Rev. Donald Spitz, head of Pro-Life Virginia and keeper of the AOG web site.
•Shelley Shannon, shot Dr. George Tiller
•Neal Horsley head of the Georgia-based Creator's Rights Party.
Others loosely affiliated with, or in some support of, the "AOG" include:
•Stephen Jordi, convicted of plotting clinic attacks.
•John Brockhoeft
•Father David Trosch
•Dan Holman, Missionaries to the Preborn - Iowa [5]
•Barry Kilbane
•Bob Lokey
•Matthew Trewhella, Missionaries to the Preborn - Wisconsin
•Chuck Spingola of Unashamed & Associates, Newark, Ohio
•Drew Heiss,
•Troy Newman, current head of Operation Rescue
•Stephen Wetzel (Missionaries to the Unborn)
•Bill Whatcott, Canadian anti-abortion crusader

Oh, and remember the hype about Obama palling around with terrorists?  Well, looky...looky....

Sean Hannity, Domestic Terrorist Apologist:

Randall Terry, however, has been convicted on a number of occasions as a result of his attempts to interfere with the operation of women’s clinics and the women who access them. His tactics and rhetoric are similar to those used by white supremacist groups. He settled out of court with NOW as a result of damages that his followers inflicted on these clinics. He was recently arrested for violating a no trespassing order issued by the University of Notre Dame as part of his ongoing campaign to make abortion illegal. And during his halcyon days of anti abortion thuggery he was very close to James Kopp who was sentenced to life imprisonment for killing a doctor who performed abortions.

So, Lolly, what's the bitching about?  Well, I'm bitching because I think for far too long these people have gotten away with defining themselves.   It's about time we label them for what they are.  Where are the Randall Terry bumper stickers with = Terrorist on them?  Where is the phrase 'Domestic Terrorist' when referring to these people?  No more Anti-Choice extremist (And by that I mean people who participate in or sympathize with violence against abortion providers and not those who are against it for personal reasons. Simply having a moral objection to abortion does not a terrorist make.)  

But for those calling people to 'act' and using violent rhetoric like warning the public that there will be casualties in this war....


Public policies need to be enacted that will take a closer look at these activists.  Within reason, of course, but if an organization has a history of violence but openly condemns it (EYEROLL!!!) then we need to audit them.  And by that, I mean put them under a microscope so that if they even THINK about crossing the line they'll face prosecution.

Perhaps a little Wiki-Editing is in order?  

The Moderate Voice has varying responses to Dr. Tillers assassination.

My personal favorite terrorist apologist:

Tiller made the case for infanticide by showing graphic photos of unborn babies with abnormalities. He admits on tape to having aborted babies a day before the mother’s due date. One murdered baby in Tiller’s photo collage was a child with three arms. I asked, "Why didn’t the mother carry the baby to term and consider corrective surgery after he was born? A baby with an extra arm isn’t worthy of life?"

   Today, Dr. Infanticide was shot and killed while walking into a church. Is "ironic" the right word to describe it?

   Who killed Tiller the child killer, cultivator of death?

And just so you know, FYI, if you work at a clinic or are an escort then raise your personal terrorist threat level.  Idiots often fall prey to inspiration.  Particularly in times of economic turmoil under a pro choice administration when many of them have very little to lose.

On a personal note, I was shaking with rage when this happened. But I wasn't surprised.  How can you incite people to participate in a Holy War and them condemn them for fighting in it?  How can they continue to be so irresponsible with their use of violent rhetoric?  WORDS MATTER.

Terry, Phelps, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, the use of language is a powerful thing and violent rhetoric will and can incite those to act.  It happens all the time.  When you call the president a baby killer, then you are responsible if someone takes it as a call to arms.  When you call abortion murder, then don't try to double back and condemn the assassination of a Dr.  That's called hypocrisy.  You should know all about that.

Originally posted to lollydee on Sun May 31, 2009 at 04:36 PM PDT.

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    •  And most of them are four letters (3+ / 0-)
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      Marie, lollydee, Words In Action

      But "terrorist" certainly fits.

      •  Michael Bray, terrorist, AoG (1+ / 0-)
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        got sent to prison for his crimes but the AoG website has these chilling words inciting violence:

        Paul defended his neighbors, the most helpless of them all. He acted consistently with what he preached. But I think he was
        more than an uncommon citizen willing to lay down his life for the least of our brethren. I have always interpreted Paul’s deed
        not as an example of how any and every citizen may lawfully defend the innocent; I see him not as a citizen and defender but as
        a statesman and prophet. Paul did not choose to terminate an abortionist covertly so that he might repeat the good deed to
        future joy of many babies and their relatives. Rather, he chose to abort the abortionist in public, laying down his weapon and
        holding his hands to heaven as he walked away and submitted to arrest. His was the message of a prophet to the civil
        authorities. This is the proper legal standard. This is justice. Murderers are to be executed

        The Army of God is a domestic terrorist organization, pure and simple.

        "It's the planet, stupid."

        by FishOutofWater on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:17:44 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Absolutely (0+ / 0-)

          Think about this -- there's another group out there, universally regarded (except by a few bigots) as a terrorist organization, that calls itself "Army of God," only they're not universally recognized by that name because their name is in another language.

          I'm speaking, of course, about Hezbollah.

          I don't want to make this an I/P thing, but note the many similarities between the two "Armies of God." They're both terrorist organizations.

  •  Word. (3+ / 0-)
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    AntKat, LinSea, Words In Action

    This is thoroughly disgusting, and I wholeheartedly agree with you. The folks who commit these dispicable acts are domestic terrorists - no doubt about it.

    I disagree, however, with the MSM bringing light to this - I highly doubt it, unless they've all turned over a new leaf in the past 12 hours.

    I also hadn't heard that the murderer of Dr. George Tillman was named Shelley Shannon, so kudos there.

  •  This is "Terrorism", aided and abetted by the (5+ / 0-)

    media that give platforms to those that swill their hate in increasingly frightening ways.

    Outstanding diary lolly, what is it going to take to wake people up, how many more Dr. Tillers?

    "So, who said life's an easy ride, General Motors?" Debbie Navotny, QAF-Season 2

    by AntKat on Sun May 31, 2009 at 04:49:50 PM PDT

  •  Suspect is a known anti-abortion fanatic (3+ / 0-)

    Scott Roeder is associated with, or known to, Operation Rescue. "Isolated" he was not.  He had apparently been casing Dr. Tiller's churchfor a couple years. (see comment #9). Also, Roeder has a criminal recordfor getting caught with bomb components in his car, and for not filing tax returns.

    To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, be nothing. Elbert Hubbard

    by choice joyce on Sun May 31, 2009 at 06:02:51 PM PDT

  •  Excellent Diary (4+ / 0-)

    I've volunteered as a patient escort for close to six years at our county's Planned Parenthood (PP) clinic which performs abortions. The protesters we see voice the words "kill" and "murder" and their cognates repeatedly, directing those terms at patients, staff, patient companions, security personnel, and escorts without favor. These self-described "Christians" even use four-letter words to insult everyone equally. And I can guarantee that they'll applaud the killing of Dr. Tiller just like the applauded a month or so ago when Dr. Irving Feldkamp (the owner of 17 ob/gyn clinics in California that performed abortions) lost two daughters, two sons-in-law, five grandchildren, four family friends, and his long time pilot in a plane crash. Anti-abortion zealots thirst for the blood of those who oppose them and among them are those, like the killer of Dr. Tiller, who, egged on by the "principled" leaders, will stop at nothing until they've killed as many pro-choice supporters as possible, especially doctors.

    If any of you have the time, go to your local Planned Parenthood and see if they can use more escorts. Many clinics can. If you can't do that, then donate to them or support them in other ways. Most clinics are running short of cash in the current economy.

  •  Christian Fundamentalists Terrorism. (1+ / 0-)
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    Over on HuffPo, Shannyn Moore argues we call it what it is.

    They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify their fraudulent invasion of Iraq.

    by Words In Action on Sun May 31, 2009 at 07:28:20 PM PDT

    •  Army of God cites bible to justify murder (0+ / 0-)

      I agree with Shannyn: This AOG website cites the bible to justify murder on abortion providers:

      Genesis 9:6
      Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed:
      for in the image of God made he man.

      Numbers 35:33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are:
      for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the
      blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

      There is also a chilling error(?) on the page replacing intentionally(?) the name of the victim Dr. Tillman with that of Dr. Tiller:

      I first became aware of the Army of God Manual in the
      early 80's, when I was given a copy by another anti-abortionist.
      Apparently, it had been circulated among anti-abortionists
      through out the country; unknown to the government, pro-aborts
      or the media, for some time. Just how long it had been in
      circulation prior to my receiving a copy, I do not know.

      After Shelley Shannon, a.k.a. "Shaggy West", shot Babykiller
      George Tiller in Wichita, Kansas,  the resulting FBI investigation
      found a copy of the AOG Manual buried in Shelley's back yard.

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