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Even before President Obama named Sonia Sotomayor to replace David Souter on the Supreme Court, we knew that the rightwing noise machine would come after whoever was nominated. But what we didn't know was how much of an advantage they would have with the nomination of Sotomayor, because with their planned line of attack against her, they finally had an issue that they were intimately familiar with; racism. And who better than Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo to speak with authority about that?

But with their emergence as vocal critics of Sotomayor, almost lost among their shouts of racism, quotas and affirmative action, was their own Marcus Epstein. Almost. Who is he?

Epstein is the protege of Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo, serving as the executive director for both of their virulent anti-immigration groups. He's a "frequent contributor of racist essays to the white nationalist hate website VDARE.com," named for Virginia Dare, "the first white baby born in the English colonies." Subtle, eh? And here's Epstein's take on the proper degree of diversity in our country:

Diversity can be good in moderation — if what is being brought in is desirable. Most Americans don’t mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.

Now at this point you may be thinking that Epstein is criminally ignorant of the rich cultural history in our country ... and you'd be half right. Because Epstein isn't just criminally ignorant, he's a criminal:  

... July 7, 2007, Epstein was walking near the intersection of Jefferson and M Street Northwest, in Washington, D.C., in a mild to severe state of intoxication. A friend of his later told the Secret Service that Epstein had been drinking. Apparently, Epstein was making offensive comments about non-whites, and decided to express himself more dramatically by calling an African-American woman passing by a "Nigger" and then attempted to karate chop her in the head.

Chances are, we never would have heard about this racist piece of flotsam if Tancredo hadn't been so intent on launching another vicious attack against Sotomayor:  

TANCREDO: If you belong to an orginization, called La Raza in this case, which is from my point of view anyway, just nothing more than a Latino, it's a counterpart, it's a Latino KKK without the hoods ...

SCHUSTER: A Latino KKK -- would you like to take this opportunity to apologize?

TANCREDO: (Laughs) No.

SANCHEZ: It turns out that Tom Tancredo has some explaining to do on this very front, because the Executive Director of his political action committee, his political action committee, has admitted to a blatantly racist act. It's now revealed that in 2007, this man, Marcus Epstein, according to a Secret Service witness, came out of a bar in Washington, called a woman the "n" word, and then slapped her in the head. Slapped her in the head. He fled the scene, but he was eventually arrested. Epstein, who is due back in court next month, is blaming his behavior on too much alcohol. But according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, it's more than that. They have described Epstein as a man with a network of racist connections. Back to Tancredo now --  who said on this show, people who associate with racist organizations are racists. Congressman, why is Mr. Epstein still in charge of your political organization? And what sir, does that say about you? We got in touch with Tancredo. He declined to answer our questions yesterday, repeatedly.

To date, Tancredo's only response has been to say:

I’m assuming that the only thing that makes (the incident) even newsworthy is the fact that it comes in the context of the Sotomayor thing.

And in a sense, he's right. Had Tancredo, Buchanan and their ilk not baselessly attacked Sotomayor, we never would have heard about this little pissant whose idea of cultural diversity is a Taco Bell. But in the sense that it highlights the absurd irony of these people decrying racism even as they embrace it, makes it an incredibly important story.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:40 PM PDT.

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  •  Pissant (20+ / 0-)

    Have not heard that in a while. HA.

    "There are no more battleground states. Just battle won or battle winning!" Me

    by givemhellHarryR on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:43:56 PM PDT

  •  Buchanan and Tancredo put a surprising amount (6+ / 0-)

    of trust in a half-Jewish half-Korean...

  •  And he's half-Korean half-Jewish (13+ / 0-)

    which somehow makes his attitude even more revolting.

    Supposedly he was heading to UVA Law School in the fall but the admissions office there says he is not and will not be a student, no other comments.

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them"

    by ItsJessMe on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:44:23 PM PDT

    •  Christ almighty. (5+ / 0-)
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      "There are no more battleground states. Just battle won or battle winning!" Me

      by givemhellHarryR on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:46:02 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Here's a TPM link (2+ / 0-)
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      Epstein

      that gives even more information - a link to:

      this photo album on Marcus's Facebook page about his trip to Ethiopia. You can start with this picture and work your way through. This one's a special moment too.

      The key is the captions.

      "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them"

      by ItsJessMe on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:47:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  He'll probably be mad at the black people (6+ / 0-)

      for being there that night and ruining his life - or some ridiculousness like that.

    •  Perhaps a Michelle Malkin fixation (1+ / 0-)
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      is part of his considerable problem.

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:50:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  About the UVA Law thing (2+ / 0-)
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      TPM, Wonkette and others make a pretty good case that he was admitted and only when this broke as a news story was his offer revoked.  

      Oh and this isn't his first assault btw.

      GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

      by Shhs on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:51:54 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What are his other assaults? (0+ / 0-)
        •  This was on a post @ wonkette (4+ / 0-)
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          And it isn’t the first time he’s been charged with assault:

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          http://wonkette.com/...

          GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

          by Shhs on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:19:49 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  I'm sure Liberty University (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      lysias

      will save a spot for him in their Law School.

    •  Sounds like he has intense identity issues. (2+ / 0-)
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      eom

      i can't watch [Obama] speak on tv for more than 5 minutes or else what he's saying starts to make sense to me. It's very scary.

      by Kimball Cross on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:54:08 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The Right calls it a Slap, not a Karate Chop (7+ / 0-)

    I'm sure that makes them think it's ok. Does that soften his crime to you, that he would just walk up to your wife/Mother and slap her for no reason ?

    Grow Marijuana go to Prison, Torture a Detainee to Death and earn a Medal. No wonder people get high.

    by SmileySam on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:44:23 PM PDT

  •  racists usually do most of the accusation. (9+ / 0-)

    This is all about making Obama's life miserable (if they can), because a black president is the biggest affront to the while male dominated heirarchy the country has seen yet.

    Joe Lieberman is a Chode.

    by dnamj on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:44:49 PM PDT

  •  you gotta figure if (3+ / 0-)
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    he's talking "asian math whizzes" in public writing, it must get even more ugly when his inhibitions are down. 7/7/07 sounds like his day of truth...

    •  He writes on Vdare and links to them IMHO (0+ / 0-)

      that is about as main stream racists as you can get.  Plus he's half Jewish so I don't understand how he can stand an anti Semite like Pat.

      GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

      by Shhs on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:54:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why are we constantly, endlessly (5+ / 0-)

    fighting against THEIR message, their frame (kinda hate that word, but whatevs)?

    Every time we engage in this sort of debate, we fail to change the playing field. We play on THEIR soil, constantly.

    I'm not saying it's easy to espouse an avowedly progressive-liberal philosophy in this country and with our corporate mass media as the filter.

    But nevertheless, we will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage at trying to defend our ideas against their perspective instead of going on the offensive.

    By going on the offensive, I mean actually trying to explain that there are different ways of looking at Constitutional analysis, instead of taking for granted that the stupid "textualism" or whatever of Scalia is the one true judicial philosophy.

    •  Sigh. Campaign 2008 was a start (5+ / 0-)
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      But Democrats are still reflexivly defensive when it comes to politics, while the republicans offensive.

      So that's what a republican looks like in person? Wow. I've seen pictures, but never imagined the smell.

      by Dungeon Dwelling Dragon on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:46:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  because their message and their frame... (2+ / 0-)
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      ...is so utterly ridiculous and without merit.  And because the media is only interested in COVERING their frame.

      We have a frame, but when does it get covered?  Shouting republicans always get airtime no matter HOW ridiculous and absurd their claims are.  SO those are the claims we have to counter.

      You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

      by DawnG on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:50:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We do NOT get our message out (1+ / 0-)
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        How often do all the various leftie/prog bloggers, commentarists, and news outlets agree on 1-3 talking points per news cycle and relentlessly push them, repeat them, beat them into the ground (such that they are absorbed without conscious effort by the polity) the way the right wing does?

        Fat chance. Marching in lockstep just doesn't come naturally to our side of the aisle. I think it was Abbie Hoffman who derided the notion that the Chicago Eight (later, seven) conspired to cause the 1968 Democratic Convention riots, saying that he and his friends, being leftists, couldn't even agree on where to eat lunch!

        But it would be nice to try the experiment for 4-8 years.

        •  We don't need to march in Lockstep... (2+ / 0-)
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          ...in fact I would say that is perhaps the republicans biggest weakness.

          but you explain to me why democrats controll all 3 branches of government and media news outlets STILL book republicans over 2 to 1 over democrats?

          The media isn't listening to democrats (unless they're bashing other democrats).

          You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

          by DawnG on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:32:57 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Because the economy went west (0+ / 0-)

            If we had been riding high economically, I have a terrible feeling McCain/Palin would have won by 1-2%.

            I was being complimentary, albeit somewhat ruefully, about leftists not being amenable to marching in lockstep (think "herding cats"). I like our general cussedness and individuality, but it has its drawbacks in that we have not been able to steep society in our ideas and ideals the way the right has done so successfully. Not only is the money not there, it's not our overall personality type to propagandize, manipulate, and INFECT.

            By contrast, for good or ill, pretty much EVERYBODY from the bottom of our socioeconomic ladder to the top can recite for you the right wing's talking points. This is because the right wing has been so effective that 30 years worth of MSM reporters have grown up marinating in an atmosphere filled with right-wing talking points. I DON'T THINK THEY KNOW ANY BETTER. I think the right wing has kept it short and simple (no matter how incorrect or evil), and have so purposefully and effectively misrepresented the left that they pulled the rug completely out from under us and took their place as the fundament, the primal starting point of all current sociopolitical reasoning. We are stuck constantly playing catchup, constantly having to expend the effort to change minds, not just keep our current supporters. What the right has done is brilliant and lasting, even in its current complete bankruptcy.

            It will take time, money, and a CONCERTED effort (meaning working in close coordination and cooperation with one another; a close approach to "lockstep") to arrive at our own shorthand version of our beliefs and GOALS -- what we want the U.S. to become; how we plan to get there; and how we plan to keep government AND business from overtly interfering with peoples' lives, property, security, jobs, wealth, and privacy -- to SUPPLANT the right wing's talking points as the fundament.

            We have to capture the initiative with respect to talking points/memes, solidify our positions with the current generation of young citizens, and begin convincing/inculcating the next 2 generations so that we can win back the press.

            Unless we do that, we'll constantly be fighting uphill, constantly have to expend more energy than our political rivals, constantly have to explain ourselves from a defensive position -- to reporters and commentarists as well as to other voters.

            •  Plus paint a picture of the result of right-wing (0+ / 0-)

              predominance. What is their vision? What will America look like if the right wing wins? What will individual freedom look like? What will be our health and jobs picture, civil liberties, the distribution of wealth, the structure of business, the makeup of our school systems and the content of our educational curriculum, our security as aging retirees, and so forth.

              We have to build and sell a vision that is convincingly better, and it has to outcompete what the right is peddling.

  •  Braying against the end of "white America" (6+ / 0-)
    These folks are horrified about the growth of the non-white population in this country, and the world they knew.  Their bigotry is the death rattle of that world.

    Seat Al Franken! Boot Arlen Specter!

    by Paleo on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:45:58 PM PDT

  •  A rousing round of "I know YOU are (2+ / 0-)
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    but what am I?"  ... does so much for their image as grownups.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:46:30 PM PDT

  •  The biggest complaint from racists is that they.. (10+ / 0-)

    are victims of racism.

    To them, there is no worse oppressed people in the world than whites.  And the white male is the most disadvantaged of them all.

    Double-think isn't just an expression, its a reality.

    All evils are equal when they are extreme. - Pierre Corneille

    by LiberalCanuck on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:48:33 PM PDT

  •  This is NO WAY for a nice Jewish boy to behave. (4+ / 0-)
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    eom

    i can't watch [Obama] speak on tv for more than 5 minutes or else what he's saying starts to make sense to me. It's very scary.

    by Kimball Cross on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:48:38 PM PDT

    •  Piss on the Host... (0+ / 0-)

      ...and end up at an "auto da fe"!

      Finally, a possibly justifiable event for this "good"
      Jewish Kid.

      Whoops, sorry about that. I don't want to approximate
      the same hateful rhetorhic as that of O'Reilly &
      Buchannon.

  •  They get to them when they're young. (0+ / 0-)

    Epstein looks like he's about 12 years old.

    "My wife is a big green person." - Tweety on Hardball, 5/5/09

    by Maudlin on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:48:56 PM PDT

  •  Oooo....taco bell. (1+ / 0-)
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    Should I go to taco bell for lunch?

    You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

    by DawnG on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:49:00 PM PDT

  •  Is it yesterday? (2+ / 0-)
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    Didn't something happen, like, this morning?

    If man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat.

    by Amayi on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:49:10 PM PDT

  •  You know how... (8+ / 0-)

    The most virulent and hateful public homophobes often turn out to be closeted, self-loathing gays (aka the Larry Craig Principle)?  

    Or the public decriers of vice usually have little sins they love to indulge in private (aka the Bill Bennett Syndrome)?

    Same thing.

    Leave it to a virulent racist to accuse others of the very thing they indulge in without shame of any kind.  Hypocrisy is at the very foundation of the modern Republican party.

  •  I (2+ / 0-)
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    "...because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." Barack Obama, March 24, 2009

    by legalchic on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:50:40 PM PDT

  •  Re: Epstein (6+ / 0-)

    Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

  •  I'm curious... (5+ / 0-)

    what's our "dominant culture?"  

    "...because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." Barack Obama, March 24, 2009

    by legalchic on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:51:21 PM PDT

    •  Ask a Republican. They're the ones who (1+ / 0-)
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      raincrow

      are into cultural domination. They should know.

      i can't watch [Obama] speak on tv for more than 5 minutes or else what he's saying starts to make sense to me. It's very scary.

      by Kimball Cross on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:53:14 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Owing the word, "racism" (4+ / 0-)
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        The idea is probably a Luntz talking point. Republicans are now being told to scream RACISM whenever a non white person is proposed for any office other than janitor.

        They want to own the word, the concept. However, the Repugs have changed the definition, subtly. RACISM to them means, "Advancing the interests of a non-white person or group"

        For example, a judicial opinion which throws out a civil service test on which whites do well and blacks do poorly is RACIST (to Repugs) because it advances the interests of a non white group.

  •  Don't look now Epstein... (12+ / 0-)

    but racism is no longer the dominant culture.  

    You are a publicly acknowledged nitwit, a laughing stock.  I have no idea why a half-Korean, half-Jewish young man would embrace White Pride, but as of today you have NO pride whatsoever.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

  •  What a worm (8+ / 0-)

    Shorter Epstein: Love the food and entertainment, but hate the people.

    Calling a random woman a racially derogatory word, running up and slapping her, and then running away like the coward he is.

    Nothing but class. * eyeroll *

    I take it back - calling him a worm is an insult to worms. Worms serve a positive purpose in the grand scheme of things. Epstein - not so much.

  •  Talk (8+ / 0-)

    about projection, these guys could animate a planetarium.

  •  Again, there's a piece missing. (0+ / 0-)

    Marcus Epstein is a creep. Sonia Sotomayor is not equivalent to David Duke. But just because Tom Tancredo and the right wing attacks are virtually all ridiculous does not mean that discrimination against white people-including white males does not exist. The case of the Connecticut police officers who sued because they passed the city exam and were not promoted as a result concerns people because it is another in a long line of such cases and underlies the problems involved with race relations/dynamics in this country.

    The left insists on pretending that all of this will somehow, 'come out in the wash' and we'll all live happily ever after as long as middle class people (especially whites) will dutifully put their own self-interest aside in order to make nice.

    In other words, just because Tancredo, Limbaugh et al are morons does not mean that there is not a problem with discrimination against whites. As I've said before, this will become more, not less, problematic as whites become a smaller part of the population. Also, what Sotomayor said about a Latina woman coming to a better conclusion than a white man is disturbing, does warrant investigation and is not simply explained by watching or reading the entire speech.

    •  Racism against whites is actually a class (2+ / 0-)
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      issue.... and the republicans keep people blind to it.

      GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

      by Shhs on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:00:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  That piece doesn't quite fit (5+ / 0-)

      The case of the Connecticut police officers who sued because they passed the city exam and were not promoted as a result concerns people because it is another in a long line of such cases and underlies the problems involved with race relations/dynamics in this country.

      And that case was ruled properly, based on the technicalities of current law. So people need to educate themselves about how courts make decisions (hint: it isn't just "the outcome they'd like"). Then we can work on writing laws that don't give us screwball outcomes like that.

      The left insists on pretending that all of this will somehow, 'come out in the wash' and we'll all live happily ever after as long as middle class people (especially whites) will dutifully put their own self-interest aside in order to make nice.

      I don't know anyone but you that's ever said anything that silly. The fact is, discrimination is alive and well, and the fact that this racist little cretin could hold a position of such influence in America only goes to that point. Want to know the facts about getting a response on a resume with an identifiably "black" name? Just a sample of the problems minorities still face.
      Whites (like myself) enjoy an inherent advantage in America. Chipping away at that to create a color-blind society has always been flagged as "reverse-discrimination" or "social engineering", but it's just a basic attempt to bring our product in line with our advertising.
      The fact that so many can't seem to see what minorities still have to overcome just to keep pace is exactly why we need minorities on the bench -- cause obviously, some perspective is missing.

      Also, what Sotomayor said about a Latina woman coming to a better conclusion than a white man is disturbing, does warrant investigation and is not simply explained by watching or reading the entire speech.

      Um, actually it is:

      I, like Professor Carter, believe that we should not be so myopic as to believe that others of different experiences or backgrounds are incapable of understanding the values and needs of people from a different group. Many are so capable. As Judge Cedarbaum pointed out to me, nine white men on the Supreme Court in the past have done so on many occasions and on many issues including Brown.

      However, to understand takes time and effort, something that not all people are willing to give. For others, their experiences limit their ability to understand the experiences of others. Other simply do not care. Hence, one must accept the proposition that a difference there will be by the presence of women and people of color on the bench. Personal experiences affect the facts that judges choose to see. My hope is that I will take the good from my experiences and extrapolate them further into areas with which I am unfamiliar. I simply do not know exactly what that difference will be in my judging. But I accept there will be some based on my gender and my Latina heritage.

      Pretty clear that her argument was that a court of nothing but white men would be less likely to understand the experience of minorities, who would be an "other" to them, and no mythical universal concept of "wisdom" would make them able to completely defeat that and bring truly fair rulings to the High Court.

      Solum potestis prohibere ignes silvarum.

      by Jaxpagan on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:07:51 PM PDT

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      •  Would Plessy have happened with an AA on SCOTUS? (5+ / 0-)
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        Would it have taken 70-ish years to overturn in Brown if there had been an African-American justice appointed any time before?  Of course not.

        The fact that Group A 'gets around to doing the right thing' for Group B in way justifies Group B's exclusion, or makes their inclusion less important to insure justice for both groups.  It merely allows stupid people to blather a silly talking point akin to 'History? In the end we're all dead."  

        So why even try?

        How sad that the intellectual level of this country has deteriorated to the point that 'we'll get around to it someday' is thought as anything more than a cop out for justice delayed - and thus denied.

    •  You have to memorize your talking points better (4+ / 0-)
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      they were fire figthers, not police officers.

      I will give you a tip: you remember your talking points better when you eat them for breakfast with full fat milk instead of half and half.

      The FOX is a common carrier of rabies, a virus that leaves its victims foaming at the mouth and causes paranoia and hallucinations.

      by Calouste on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:07:57 PM PDT

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    •  ooh! something unfair happened to a white guy! (4+ / 0-)
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      milton333, esquimaux, Shhs, blzabub8

      and then the court ruled that, sorry, maybe it sucked, but it was perfectly legal.

      OMFG, it's the end of the world.

      apparently in wingnutland when unfair things happen to non-whites, that's just the way the cookie crumbles.  but let something unfair happen to a white guy, or some lady say that someone might ever make a better decision than a white guy, under any circumstances, and it's egregious racism.

      sorry, i think you better try peddling that right-wing crap on some other website.  don't expect too many buyers around here.

      l'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers

      by zeke L on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:14:19 PM PDT

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    •  Hmm. (2+ / 0-)
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      CCL, it would be helpful if you could point out the systematic, institutionally backed racism or even discrimination that prevents white heterosexual men from all manner of things:  job promotion (Connecticut FIRE FIGHTERS say (out of curiosity, how many minority firefighters are there in that case?  Nation wide?  Have white heterosexual men had problems being employed in those positions generally?  harassed by minorities once on the force, etc.?), redlining, voting issues, etc.  

      I would like to hear more, but I think I would need to see evidence of consistent disparate treatment, and at the hands of minorities to be able to see where you are coming from.  

      Yes, Tancredo is a moron.  But the difference here is that Epstein actually assaulted someone whilst calling them a nigger.  (I'm black.  I hate the "n-word".  Let's be real about the word's ugliness).  Sotomayor mentioned that her experiences as woman, as Latina, gave her a whole host of experiences straight white men would not have any access to-- as exemplified by the Biglaw partner who told her that she wouldn't be interviewing with him (although first in her undergraduate class and stellar grades at Yale Law) if she wasn't an affirmative action charity case.

      It is those power differentials and false equivalencies that are dangerous.  Sotomayor just doesn't have a system behind her lining up to limit opportunities in every part of white men's lives.  But, as we have seen in the past few weeks, the opposite is not true.

      I think for your assertions to work (for me), a person has to assume that all things are equal.  They aren't, and they have never been.  So how do we look at our flaws and still try to progress?

  •  Talk (3+ / 0-)
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    about projection, these guys could animate a planetarium.

  •  Classic racist strategy (2+ / 0-)
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    is to call "racism." Classic.

    I also think that when the GOP says that Sotomayor will favor Latinos in her decisions that it is openly ADMITTING that they are favoring whites in theirs. YUCK.

    As they sink further into irrelevancy, their lunacy becomes more and more blatent......

  •  This is fantastic (3+ / 0-)
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    Let the bigots run around in the sunshine for a while.  

    Let's get a good look at their vision of America, so the next election doesn't hinge on how a candidate shakes hands with his wife.

    •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

      although it serves as a mating dance that rallies their kind to do awful stuff.  300 million peeps is a large sample size to contend with, esp when states are cutting back on social services and people feel more and more left to their own devices -- this is getting uglier by the day

      Hell hath no fury like the vast robot armies of a woman scorned

      by Mike E on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:15:20 PM PDT

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  •  Epstein is Jewish/Korean (3+ / 0-)
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    Self loather...?

    "It's a gay witches for abortion party Flanders, you wouldn't be interested." - Homer Simpson

    by angry liberaltarian on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 12:56:44 PM PDT

  •  Ya know, that Marcus looks kind of 'ethnic' ..... (3+ / 0-)
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  •  Marcus Epstein: is that a Shawnee name? Cherokee? (2+ / 0-)
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    IM, waiting for lefty

    We definitely don't want to overwhelm the dominant culture with a buncha damn immigrant crapola, do we???

  •  Mr. Epstien's stuff (2+ / 0-)
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    has been posted at various paleocon/ron p@v1/anti-immigrant sites for years.  He's not ignorant so much as an extreme ideologue.  Someone with time on their hands could probably have quite a fun time going through all that.  And I can't believe any recently elected officials would associate with him, but that just shows you how far we've sunk, I guess.

    And the most ridiculous thing, as always, is the fact that Buchanan and Tancredo are apparently respectable pundits whose opinions we should care about.  Reason #431 I don't watch cable "news"...

    I judge wisely, as if nothing ever surprise me

    by mcfly on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:04:11 PM PDT

    •  Tancredo on TV (1+ / 0-)
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      He used to be a reliably right-wing but occasionally thoughtful (and fairly entertaining) regular on a weekly Denver PBS roundtable (Colorado Inside Out) back in the day.

      He left the show to run and join Congress, but he's been back on again to fill the Republican quota. Now he's all talking points and smirking insults. I hope they rescind the re-invite soon.

  •  It's time to find out from these people (1+ / 0-)
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    what exactly it is they're afraid of.

    I mean, what?  Why the fear?  The hatred obviously comes from fear of something.  So, what IS it?

    My guess?  

    It's fear that if minorities and women are "allowed" to hold the same positions as white men, "white-male-superiority" will once and for all time, be disproved.

    Then what will they do?


    We need to get back to bedrock American values like torture and secession. - Josh Marshall

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:06:06 PM PDT

  •  that little pansy-ass looking (2+ / 0-)
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    punk is lucky he didn't try to karate chop me on the street..  He'd be a toothless pansy-ass punk.

    "I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemely swear.."

    by cgvjelly on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:10:46 PM PDT

  •  couple of things: (0+ / 0-)

    the dominant culture? what would that be?
    the kkk without hoods & nooses is the republican party.

    "Michele Bachmann is like the demi glace of wingnuttia." - Chris Hayes, Countdown, 2/18/09

    by rasbobbo on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:11:01 PM PDT

  •  Stick a fork in Tancredo (2+ / 0-)
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    he's done. No more free bagels in the green room for you TOM!

  •  These Racist crying Racism (2+ / 0-)
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    may work for them, but, stratgically is quite foolish.

    Imagine that.

    Its foolish because it legitimizes the crazy, lefty, whiney black minority, nazi-feminist, faggot Jew idea that racism is bad.

    Ooops.

  •  it's clear that Tancredo, (1+ / 0-)
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    like Pat Buchanan, thrives on this kind of stuff.

    Why are they even given time to make their case?  This isn't a courtroom and these bastards are clearly posturing for the dust it kicks up.

    There must be some on the right who can make a reasonable argumentt for their side.

    Dennis Kucinich was right.

    by lisastar on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:16:36 PM PDT

  •  GOP person a HYPOCRITE??? Say it ain't so... (1+ / 0-)
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    How odd...

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:19:48 PM PDT

  •  This sounds great in a Dr. Strangelove accent (9+ / 0-)

    Most Americans don’t mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.

  •  on behalf of my fellow african american KOS-ers (2+ / 0-)
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    ni**a what?? ni**a who??? guess whos NOT going to Law school?? bwahhaaa!!!

  •  GOP slaming the car into reverse on the highway (1+ / 0-)
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    of politics. From full steam ahead anything for Bush by the assholes of Faux, right wingnut spewers to full reverse bashing any thing Obama/democrats might even think of much less try and do. What a sad sad bunch of self serving assholes.

  •  I really didn't think one could get more (3+ / 0-)

    self loathing than people like Michelle Malkin, Alan Keyes, Michael Steele, Piyush Jindal, D'nesh D'Souza, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, et. al. Not that I think anyone non-white is automatically liberal; is, or should be a Democrat, but these are people I truly believe would change their ethnicity if they could.  

    There's a certain amount of something, and maybe it's not self-loathing but I don't know what else to call it, that makes some people of color ally themselves with the racism that is so intertwined with the political right, especially in today's charged environment.

    There's racism on the left yes; just as there's sexism too. But overall, it (forgive the pun) pales in comparison.

    So how someone like Epstein, who is half Jewish and half Korean (I believe) can not only ally himself with those who probably do disparage him behind his back (if not to his face and he probably takes it), but think that he's really one of them, is beyond my ability to comprehend. Not only can't I...I just don't want to.

    "It won't surprise you that I don't consider Dick Cheney a particularly reliable source" Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

    by Vita Brevis on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:22:39 PM PDT

  •  That guy ain't white! (0+ / 0-)

    That this Epstein guy (apart of being jewish, i assume) doesn't look white to me.

    Looks kinda like a Mexican crossed with an Asian, or maybe some Native American in there.

    What a tool.

    Maybe it's self hate, or something - wouldn't be surprised if his "friend" he was with was really his boyfriend, either.

    HA HA

  •  Marcus Epstein, eh? (1+ / 0-)
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    Epstein is half-Korean, half-Jewish, and all-cuckoo.

    NYC meetup, 6/15, Milkshake Company. RSVP to me or sidnora.

    by plf515 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:23:29 PM PDT

  •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

    What I know about La Raza is it has nothing to do with KKK like hate.  I asked my friend who  used to hang out there with his familia if they ever got down on gringos.  He said all he ever heard was once his uncles said "man those white people, wanting to be so clean they squeek."  No doubt something lost in translation jumping off of the phrase "squeeky clean" in english.   Seems to me to be more about having a place to keep their own culture alive.  Not exactly a threat....though maybe one day all these guys in sombreros will storm the set of MSNBC and scare poor ol Pat to death.

  •  And isn't a pre req of entering law school is NOT (1+ / 0-)
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    ...to be convicted of a crime??

    •  Well (0+ / 0-)

      It may not be possible to be admitted in a state if you have a criminal conviction, but it doesn't necessarily stop the law school from admitting you.  I've heard of people who get to the end of law school and are submitting their bar application materials, and suddenly it's questionable if they'll be allowed to even sit for the bar because of legal/criminal issues.  It's not unfathomable that a law school would take your money for three years without regard to your chances to be admitted to practice (and not everyone with a law degree does practice).  Unlikely that's the case with UVA, though, as most law schools are sensitive about their reputations and the types of students they graduate.

      Thought is only a flash in the middle of a long night, but the flash that means everything - Henri Poincaré

      by milton333 on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 02:40:37 PM PDT

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  •  You should add the video (2+ / 0-)
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    of Lawrence O'Donnell's take down of Buchanan on Hardball the other night over the racism issue.  It was classic.

  •  The Pot's color never comes into question until (0+ / 0-)

    it calls the kettle black.

    Now in this case the pot is calling the dishes black, but that is beside the point.

    Tancredo wants to finger point, but in typical right wing fashion whines and cries when he is called on his hypocrisy.

    Sigh.

    I like my detention centers like I like my shampoo: Cruelty Free.

    by mungley on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:30:48 PM PDT

  •  A black woman? (4+ / 0-)
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    I can't help but take note that the courageous Mr. Epstein slurred and assaulted a black woman rather than a black man.  Could it be that even falling down drunk, he feared getting his scrawny ass kicked?

    "We don't torture"... George W. Bush, Sept 6, 2006

    by GrogInOhio on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:31:58 PM PDT

  •  Manny Miranda, Marcus Epstein (3+ / 0-)
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    Meet the new generation of Republican leadership.

    •  Republican Party meets Lord of the Flies (0+ / 0-)

      h/t Anna Marie Cox. He who yells the loudest wins. Ooooh, I want the conch!

      "Some see their body as a temple. I see mine as a well run Presbyterian youth center." -Emo Phillips

      by bobinson on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 02:57:38 PM PDT

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  •  his racist connections include (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Shhs

    a racist Belgian political party called "Vlaams Belang"  Pat Buchanan has also met with them.

    In 2002, three non-profit organisations that in effect constituted the core of the Vlaams Blok party were sued by the governmental Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism and the Belgian League for Human Rights for "incitement to hate and discrimination."

    Oh, and this little dude has gone so far off the deep end that "Little Green Footballs" is WAY on his case about it.

    And check out what he did on his plea agreement.  He crossed something out and replaced it in his own handwriting:

    I am pleading guilty because I am in fact guilty of the offenses set forth herein.  believe the government could prove me guilty.


    We need to get back to bedrock American values like torture and secession. - Josh Marshall

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:40:18 PM PDT

  •  Slapping a woman and running away? (1+ / 0-)
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    Shhs

    Sheesh, what a brave, stand-up representative of his glorious race!

  •  check the bottom of (1+ / 0-)
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    Shhs

    this pagefor the court documents.


    We need to get back to bedrock American values like torture and secession. - Josh Marshall

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 01:50:45 PM PDT

  •  The Dominant Culture? (0+ / 0-)

    What exactly would that be? At what point in time did we declare "This is the American culture" and decide there can be no more changes?

    Would it be when the only humans in America were Native Americans? Would it be when the Vikings showed up? When the Dutch colonized what is now New York? Or would it be when the Spanish colonized what is now Texas and California?

    Would it be when the English pushed the French back into Canada? Or when thousands of Africans were "imported" starting three hundred years or so ago? Was it when the U.S. bought most of France's American territories? Or purchases Alaska from the Russians? Was it when Chinese laborers blasted tunnels through the Rockies for a railroad line that would link the Atlantic to the Pacific? Or when American citizens staged an illegal coup against the Queen of what is now the state of Hawaii?

    Please define the "dominant" culture of America, Mr. Tancredo. When exactly did we say "No more changes." When exactly did we pour concrete over "the American culture" so it would stay the same forever?

  •  He Blogs on Clownhall (0+ / 0-)

    Here.

    The linked column is about what a crock the hate crime laws are.

    Q'elle surprise.

  •  Lil Marcus Epstein (0+ / 0-)

    kind of reminds me of the Fogel character in Superbad. He must have been pretty liquored up to assault a pedestrian.

  •  lol at his interview with the Young Turks.... (0+ / 0-)

    Sorry if this has been posted already.

  •  "Marcus"..? (0+ / 0-)
    Isn't that a black man's name??

    -------------------------------------------------------
    Take your protein pills and put your helmet on

    by SFOrange on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 02:11:04 PM PDT

  •  What you may want to consider is that these (0+ / 0-)

    people do not consider racism to be a bad thing.  Rather, for them it's a natural social organizing principle that sets their in group apart from others. And it doesn't cost THEM a thing.  Their antagonism towards other people is, at best, skin deep, if you'll forgive the pun.

    They don't hate other groups; they just need to assuage their own sense of inferiority by having someone to feel better than.

    How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

    by hannah on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 02:32:12 PM PDT

  •  Diversity in modertation? (1+ / 0-)
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    Does anyone else think that "moderate-diversity" is a pseudo-oxymoron?

    Mountaintop Removal Mining: trading our purple mountain majesties for central air.

    by demotarian on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 02:46:39 PM PDT

  •  the really bizarre thing about this (0+ / 0-)

    is that Epstein is half Korean, I believe.  Self-loathing much?

    If you want to really be horrified, check out his commentary about his trip to Ethiopia.  

  •  Don't you people remember Ashley Todd? (1+ / 0-)
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    Shhs

    The McCain supporter who had a backward "B" carved in her face by some overzealous Obama supporter?

    Oh, yeah, she just got 9 months probation for filing a false police report.

    "Some see their body as a temple. I see mine as a well run Presbyterian youth center." -Emo Phillips

    by bobinson on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 02:54:59 PM PDT

  •  Untreated mental illness perhaps (0+ / 0-)

    Unlike the usual accusations thrown at wingnuts, I think Mr Epstein may genuinely have a screw loose.  It's strange, how loathing gives way slightly to a sort of distant empathy that leaves one still not wanting to identify with the person.  

    I guess the word for that is "pity".

  •  go ahead, you can say it! (0+ / 0-)

    the good ol' machiavellian "we pander to your fears, prejudices and fear" gop are racist, they believe this is not a country for old men but a country for whites only - preferably wealthy but the uneducated, working poor, evangelicals are good to keep their power.

    they truly do not want change, they do not like change, they don't want to legitimize latinos by having a latina supreme; when they refer to "wealth redistribution" they mean wealth to the wealthy on the backs of the middle class or from blue state to red state. when they refer to "keeping us safe" they mean more profits for the halliburtons and kbr's and blackwater and the oil and gas industries.

    what they criticize is what they fear, loss of power and relevance and superiority - no more, no less!

  •  "Next, they'll be calling YOU a racist" (0+ / 0-)

    Sean Connery to Wesley Snipes in Rising Sun.

    Assassin: Its worse than you know. Malcolm: It usually is. 宁静

    by TalkieToaster on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 03:30:02 PM PDT

  •  So Tancredo is saying that it should be (0+ / 0-)

    OK for people who work with him, with the excuse of public drunkeness, to assault women in the streets and use racial slurs against them?  And if they just don't pick on minority Supreme Court nominees everything would be OK?
    Are republicans for real?????

    DailyKos - taking a bag of political snakes and laying them out straight.

    by Meggie on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 03:58:45 PM PDT

  •  Don't see that often... (0+ / 0-)

    A Jew aping fascist German policy.  Poor kid.  What was it?  Poor grades?  Anti-social behavior, maybe, that led you to think your only future was in racism?

    Nuther stellar post, BarbinMD.

    The human spirit beats religion everytime.

    by waiting for lefty on Thu Jun 04, 2009 at 06:19:12 PM PDT

  •  Epstein looks like he's 12 n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Marcus Epstein (0+ / 0-)

    Okay, a couple comments on this guy.

    First, go look for an interview with him. He sounds like Elmer Fudd. He's a Wepubewican who hates immigwants.

    Secondly, he's half Jewish and half Korean. How many friends can this guy have in the anti-immigration movement?

  •  Ah, Marcus Epstein... (0+ / 0-)

    I had the "pleasure" of knowing Mr. Epstein when I was at William and Mary.  I put pleasure in quotes, for he was regarded as a nut even within the College Republicans at the time (for fair disclosure I was a member at the time, too).

    You know someone is nuts when you call up a bunch of friends, all CRs themselves, who knew the same person you knew, all parties concerned are reasonably conservative (often more than myself), and all get a good deal of schadenfreude at Epstein getting arrested.

    I could go on all day about Epstein and how he had a bad name in the CRs, but suffice it to say he was not well-regarded, and while I wish I could say I was surprised...I'm not.  He got the nickname "Marcus the Red" (in the vein of "Eric the Red") among several of us, and there was a good reason for it.

    In my life I have met one person who had anything resembling a high regard for him, and that was Bay Buchanan (who can be nice personally, but whose policies I have very little time or taste for).

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