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I enthusiastically support Obama in spite of the fact that I tend to agree with McJoan that "the evidence is OVERWHELMING that the only change the country got with Obama is a change of style--not of substance."  I think that, For A Change, more of us will be working together,  but Obama will be reluctant to attack the difficult issues like enforcing our Federal Laws against Torture.  So the only thing we can do is bring as much pressure on Obama as we can to enforce Our Federal Laws on Torture.

Believing that pro-prosecution Petitions can help make change I spend most of my time helping groups with accountability petitions Get Signatures.  I created a website http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG
with the sole purpose of directing like minded voters to all of the pro-prosecution petitions.

It is working well.  Just one of our "commenters" in May brought over 5,000 voters to the petitions.  That with only a dozen or so daily comments on torture, war crimes, and Bush-Cheney related articles. This week that same commenter is bringing an average of over 250 Unique Visitors per day to the petitions.  

Do the math.  If we had a thousand people doing a dozen comments per day we can send over 250,000 new pro-prosecution voters to the petitions Per Day.

That is why we need everyone's help.  The potential is enormous.  This Will Make A Diference.

Most people doing this do only a few comments daily but it still adds a lot of new signatures to the petitions daily.

I don't know if this concept is a magic bullet (that depends on what the groups doing the petitions actually use them for) but it should make a great difference.

We are looking for progressives who regularly comment on news articles and asking them to add this text (or similar text) below their comments:

SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Them For Torture


Over 250,000 have signed
Join them and call yourself a Patriot


It is quite amazing that this simple act drives voters to the petitions in excellent numbers
But what is even more amazing is that our early click through stats showed that over 95% of those coming to actually go on to one or more of the petitions.  

I have been involved with the anti-war and impeachment movements since the WMD Lies and of course (other than help elect more do nothing Democrats) that didn't stop the wars and the Democrats ignored their duty to impeach for seven long years.  I organized weekly impeachment protests for some years.  I'm not sure that accomplished much except help elect Democrats.

Experience has shown that if we want Our Democrats to enforce our Federal Laws on Torture and to prosecute those Bush staffers that ordered or conspired to torture, the only way it will happen is for us, you and I, to help create enormous public pressure.

Most of us are a bit worn out after seven years which is why I devised this simple method of helping those anti-torture activists who are on the front lines of the battle to prosecute those that tortured.  Simply adding a little bit of text to your usual news article comment or blog posts is a painless way to help.

Our little band of helpers would like to hear your comments and criticisms of this effort.  

Please feel free to contact me directly at

And consider that this concept could be used to advance support for other progressive causes such as
Single Payer Health Care

Originally posted to 1stProtestInTheStreet on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 08:45 AM PDT.

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Comment Preferences

  •  "This Will Make A Diference." (1+ / 0-)
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    Because internet petitions have such a great track record of success?

  •  Should we quit using petition? (4+ / 0-)

    because of your opinion?

    Give us some specifics please.

    SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Bush's Torturers ANGRYVOTERS.ORG Over 250,000 signed - Add your Signature Today

    by 1stProtestInTheStreet on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 08:54:56 AM PDT

  •  Angry just doesn't work for me as a voter (3+ / 0-)
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    buckhorn okie, Arken, pascal

    I am way beyond angry at the criminal unconstitutional history of the Bush years.  The same international treaties that forbad torture also require the investigation and prosecution of all accusations of torture.  Since anyone complicit to or participating in torture is, by definition in these treaties, a war criminal we have to start with Bush and Cheney, Rumsfeld and the lawyers and those CIA contractors and all those in the military with the bad judgement to "just follow orders".  The UN Convention on Torture does give us the choice of prosecuting them ourselves or turning them over for international prosecution.  Since Obama won't touch it, I suppose I am hoping Holder has morals.

    "The alternative to thinking in evolutionary terms is to not think at all" Sir Peter Medawar

    by J Edward on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 09:12:02 AM PDT

    •   Since Obama won't touch it, I suppose I am hopin (1+ / 0-)
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      buckhorn okie

      "Since Obama won't touch it, I suppose I am hoping Holder has morals."

      I'm aware of the difficulty but the dominance of our government by our Democrats is the best opportunity we have had in many decades

      to finally get prosecution of those Federal Officials that violate US Federal Laws and violate our Constitution.

      We just have to Make Them Do IT.

      Don't give up

      Get Angry


      SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Bush's Torturers ANGRYVOTERS.ORG Over 250,000 signed - Add your Signature Today

      by 1stProtestInTheStreet on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 09:32:53 AM PDT

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  •  it's our job to force O and H to prosecute (1+ / 0-)
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    buckhorn okie

    I really think this is a case in which we have to drag the Administration and Congress kicking and screaming, all the way. There are too many politically uncomfortable aspects to the prosecution case.

    I'm reminded of the story about FDR -- can't remember the details, but it's been ciruculating around here since Nov 4 -- when he told supporters that he was counting on them to "force" him to keep his campaign promises.

    I don't know about internet petitions (although I signed this one) -- but I do know we have to keep public pressure on this issue. How? We should be doing everything to make it impossible for Congress and the Admnistration to avoid their obligation to the constitution and international law.

    •  Make it Impossible to ignore Torture Crimes (1+ / 0-)
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      buckhorn okie

      I agree "we have to drag the Administration and Congress kicking and screaming, all the way"

      Ther are many fine progressive groups striving mightily to bring the Bush Family of Torturers to Justice

      But they need our help.

      That is why the new website.

      It is an easy way to help.

      If you do "comments" on Bush crime related news articles,
      Just Add
      our Url to the bottom...

      It is as easy as that.

      Thanks for signing.

      SIGN THE PETITION To Prosecute Bush's Torturers ANGRYVOTERS.ORG Over 250,000 signed - Add your Signature Today

      by 1stProtestInTheStreet on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 09:28:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Obama should know better (0+ / 0-)

      Is this the inaction we are to receive from the Constitutional scholar, Obama?  How very disappointing for the first black President of the Harvard Law Review to demonstrate such little regard for highest law in the land.  Too long we have seen one set of laws for the privileged and elite in the country and another set for the rest of us.  I had hoped that Obama would see to it that this was corrected and instill a refreshing new respect for the Constitution and our laws.

  •  Great site 1stProtestInTheStreet. (1+ / 0-)
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    buckhorn okie

    Good job! Re: online petitions (mixing sci-fi references): no photon torpedo fired at the empire's death star is ever wasted.

    Abolish the Homeland Scrutiny Department.

    by hoplite9 on Sat Jun 06, 2009 at 09:25:43 AM PDT

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