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The following video contains a few of the 360 pictures taken on a short flight over small portions of Tarrant, Wise and Denton Counties. These pictures depict the destruction caused by natural gas production.  Look out Marcellus Shale...

What is the fuss about drilling a Barnett Shale well? A Barnett well site with a drilling rig operating for three months has the same impact as a city of 4,000 people,- Water use, solid waste generation, air emissions and traffic. The O&G industry has been slow to realize this—that it has too big an impact on the environment. However, if we can reduce our environmental ‘footprint,’ we can realize better returns on our investments and cause less fuss in the community. That is a win-win for everyone.

~David Burnett, Director, Global Petroleum Research Institute

Earthquakes caused by drilling activity are a fact!

From Oklahoma State University Energy Symposium
Slide #26:






As a reader said: "...all this destruction, so extensive, is for something that is mostly gone in about the time it takes a kitten to
grow up."

Emissions from Natural Gas Production in the Barnett Shale Area and Opportunities for Cost-Effective Improvements

Above study now supported by TCEQ

The water use is not sustainable!

Originally posted to TXsharon on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 05:54 PM PDT.

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    •  Drill, Baby, Drill! (5+ / 0-)

      But it's so good for us! It's amazing how much this mantra has helped fool people into believing that it's somehow patriotic to let these energy companies "drill" in our backyards and neighborhoods so that we can become "energy independent."

      Seems they keep fooling us. And we keep being fooled.

      "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

      by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:13:17 PM PDT

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      •  A government warning issued this week (4+ / 0-)
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        warned about inferior/defective pipe that has been used for the pipelines through our neighborhoods, next to our homes, schools and churches.

        Insanity

        •  Amazing (1+ / 0-)
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          to think about all the details that are being swept under the carpet. And more people need to "wake up" about all of it. Total insanity.

          "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

          by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:47:30 PM PDT

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        •  A lot of it is coming from China (3+ / 0-)
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          and there is questionable quality control. Gee. Unodorized natural gas. No local ordinances apply only Railroad Commission. Great history of inspection and compliance from those guys, right? No law stipulating set-back from homes and structures. Iffy quality control on pipes. Not even any requirement that industrial construction sites (pipeline or gas drilling) must be fenced before construction begins in parks, apartment complex grounds and residential neighborhood. That orange nylon netting that is lying on the ground in most of these pictures is what the President of DFW Midstreams Pipeline refers to as fencing. I saw industrial operations in Romania under Cesauceau that adhered to better business and safety practices than have been observed on these two pipeline sites here this past month. Luminant / ONCOR/ TXU own the easement. Texas Energy Futures owns Luminant/ONCOR/TXU and DFW Midstreams Pipeline. The buck stops with Texas Energy Futures. Some of the principals in that company are noted for philantrophy. Their community spirit falls short when it cast a shadow on Ariington.

        •  Flame broiled Texans! (3+ / 0-)
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          God help us.

        •  Sharon, I'm talking child endangerment here (0+ / 0-)

          In Arlington industrial pipeline construction sites are ATTRACTIVE NUSIANCES, which is a legal term for something which looks intriguing and not as dangerous as they prove to be, especially to children.
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          This is the view from the unfenced side yard where five children live. We videotaped an adorable pre-schooler playing near this hole between the plyboard. Other parts of their yard is unfenced. See photo below. Their house is shown in the distance in the picture below.
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          Would you want your children living adjacent to this unfenced industrial construction site? Despite outcries and pleading, the pipeline company insists their orange netting is adequate fencing on this DFW Midstreams Pipeline construction site on Daniel Dr. in Arlington, Texas. No state laws or rules of the Railroad Commission require industrial worksites for pipeline companies to be fenced. They call the nylon netting "fencing". Won't keep animals out let alone kids! There are at least three sump holes on this site, and much dangerous equipment.

      •  Drill here, drill now, pay everything. (2+ / 0-)
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        Is it just me who feels something like what the natives must have felt when powerful strangers just started doing whatever the hell they felt like doing to/on land?

        Fuck the consumabaubles; I want the land back.

    •  Out here in the Colorado alpine desert (5+ / 0-)

      we are fighting with the Parks system on letting the O&G robbers start trying to get oil from shale. The same issues with contamination, despoiling wilderness for minimal return and WASTE of precious Water resources.

      Personally, I prefer to have the water for growing food and drinking in the future. Especially since the plains aquifer is so depleted. Washing would be nice. I have managed to live next door to a vehicle washing, grass watering maniac for 5.5 years without even making a comment. This year we have been getting so much rain it's hard to believe we are still in Colorado. So somewhere else is having a drought. Did someone mention climate change?

      Too much sanity may be madness. The maddest of all is to see the world as it is and not as it should be. Don Quixote "Man of La Mancha"

      by Ginny in CO on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:16:48 PM PDT

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      •  Double the population in this part of TX. (4+ / 0-)
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        Within the next 20 years. That's what I heard one highway planner say, and he was bragging.

        And where, exactly are we going to get enough water for that many people?

        We're running out here in N. Texas and the fracturing ain't helping. I was talking about this with a friend of mine and she casually said, "Oh, well just get it from Oklahoma."

        Saw an article in the paper the other day. Oklahoma is fighting to keep from selling water to Texas.

        No, really? Who'd have thunk it.

        •  Denver has had a huge growth in the past decade (0+ / 0-)

          The people who lived here when it was still a cow town hate it, but everyone else is thrilled. Surely we jest about fresh water creating the resource wars of this century, or longer.

          One of the idiot Alaska governors before Palin (Murkowski?) was working on a deal dubbed The Garden Hose, to send fresh Alaska water to California. I think they were a bit ahead of the curve. I'm waiting for it to be resurrected when reality sets in.

          Perhaps we could up the volume on any conversations involving abortions, conception prevention (aka birth control). Think of the Jews in Israel that need homes for the adult kids - they have been told to stop using the territory that is not theirs to build housing on. Not working out well.

          Too much sanity may be madness. The maddest of all is to see the world as it is and not as it should be. Don Quixote "Man of La Mancha"

          by Ginny in CO on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 11:39:47 PM PDT

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  •  Baker Hughes reports US rigs counts down 50% (7+ / 0-)

    http://investor.shareholder.com/...

    as natural gas prices plummet.  

    Are these slant shale drillers producing more and therefore more destructive?

    Or is this business as usual?

    "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

    by shrike on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 06:01:26 PM PDT

    •  They produce more and they are extremely (13+ / 0-)

      destructive.

      The oil and gas industry is completely out of control.

    •  Destructive. Definitely. Assuredly Yes! (14+ / 0-)

      I've posted over 100 photos of the devastation to an East Arlington neighborhood by the second phase of urban gas development... pipeline construction. Daniel Drive looks like a war zone and they have been coring ... a code word for horizontal drilling between two residences which are only 40' apart from wall to wall for over 10 weeks! There is no legislation or rules which regulate how close they can drill to lay a pipeline near a residence. Lon Burnam has a good bill but Craddick killed it in committee.
      Not to whore my diaries, but I don't have but a minute. There are two embedeed videos of news coverage from NEWS 33 on http://arlingtontexan.blogspot.com
      and companion coverage of the failure of the pipeline companies to cover the 20' deep sump holes (wells where they drill horizontally to insert the pipe). These wells are in the middle of parks, on apartment property where about a hundred kids live, and between residences where there are small children. They don't bother to fence or to cover them up. After much effort on the part of two ole ladies with a cam corder and digital camera, and calls to people in high places all over, they have begun throwing a piece of plyboard over them when they leave in the evenings.
      You'll have to see the photos to believe it! http://aboutairandwater.blogspot.com

    •  Some of this is due to financial market melt-down (1+ / 0-)
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      This is only temporary. They usually depend on other folks dimes to finance their drilling rigs and crews once they get the mineral leases signed. A rigs are still in Tarrant County. Now some are getting their dollars in order and the pipeline is getting closer to completion. Once they have the pipeline to market, there will be an upsurge. We are out of air quality attainment range already. The estimates were far (10x at least) of the actual pollution contributed by oil production, transmission and storage in the Barnett Shale. There is a scramble on the part of folks at NCTCOG to try to get the EPA to be lax and let all this slide. All the efforts to cut down on emissions from other sectors has been wiped away by the gas production. Look at all those diesel engines on that small lot on Daniel Dr. Those pictures don't include many of them! Anyone interested on commenting on proposed changes to the Clean Air Act, the hearing is 10a.m -4 p.m. Wed. June 17 at the DFW Hyatt near DFW Airport.

  •  Received some news from a friend in (6+ / 0-)

    Clermont TX area about seismic activity. And they're doing studies to see if it's because of all the new natural gas drilling.

    It'll be interesting to see what comes of this.

    It took me three hours to figure out FU meant Felix Unger! -O. Madison In honor of kos' Saturday hate mail-a-palooza

    by Meggie on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 06:09:41 PM PDT

      •  Fracturing rock beneath huge tracts of land. (2+ / 0-)
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        One well, no problems. Hundreds of them, all fracturing the underlying bedrock.....like jackhammering the concrete slab of a house.

        One day....oops.

        •  And yet (1+ / 0-)
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          most people have no idea how this is being done...fracking.

          No idea.

          "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

          by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:56:41 PM PDT

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          •  The foundations of both houses on each side (1+ / 0-)
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            of the pipeline drilling site at Daniel Dr. have shifted since drilling. Now their windows and doors don't open and close. The president of the Pipeline company claims they couldn't have damaged the foundations because "don't think we moved that much dirt to destabalize them." However, when Dale Henry read the list of things I named in an article on The Arlington Texan, he pointed out that I'd failed to mention vibrations from the drilling. He mentioned (before I said anything to him about foundation) that it would destabaliize the foundations of their houses and cause their windows and doors not to open and shut. However, it will probably take a law suit to get the drilling company to agree to that. Texas Energy Futures has deep pockets for attorney's and realize that the folks they chose to drill beside probably don't. That's why they chose to drill between those houses. Across the street in there are two vacant lots on each side of the utility easement. A.I.S.D. owns those lots. A.I.S.D. has one of the best law firms in the region. Go for the folks in the small neat frame houses. The cancer patient senior citizen and Hispanic American family with five childen probably won't be able to fight long in court.

            •  Absolutely true and tragic. (0+ / 0-)

              Go for the folks in the small neat frame houses. The cancer patient senior citizen and Hispanic American family with five childen probably won't be able to fight long in court.

              "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

              by suswa on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 10:40:06 AM PDT

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    •  It's such a crock (2+ / 0-)
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      The U.S. Govt has had methods for decades to discern between man-made and natural earthquakes. My partner in instigation (the other ole lady with the cam corder) was married to one of the scientist who did the testing.

      •  Natural earthquakes (2+ / 0-)
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        are the results of fractures or plates moving much deeper in the earth's crust. Manmade earthquakes are usually much shallower.

        At some point however someone is going to frac in the wrong area and trigger something that cannot be stopped.

        When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

        by Cali Techie on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:26:06 PM PDT

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        •  That's what everyone is wondering (1+ / 0-)
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          about these earthquakes...you said, "manmade earthquakes are usually much shallower."

          Usually. But what if the "fracking" is actually causing deeper earthquakes?

          "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

          by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:51:28 PM PDT

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          •  Deeper as in (1+ / 0-)
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            7 or more miles below the earth's surface, which is where the plates rub together. Onshore oil and gas wells are considered deep if they go down more than 6,000 feet, which is a bit more than a mile. Off shore they can go much deeper but as far as I know fracing doesn't occur in those wells.

            There are other distinctions as well having to do with waveforms and over how large of an area it's detected, after shocks, etc. I'm not a seismologist so I'm not an expert.

            When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

            by Cali Techie on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 11:18:38 PM PDT

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    •  Cleburne? (2+ / 0-)
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      I think you mean Cleburne in Johnson County, south of Fort Worth. :-) And yes, the earthquakes have been quite numerous over the past week. Being blindsided by this is upsetting a lot of people who were never told any of this by the energy companies prior to drilling. But then, there's little, if any federal or state regulation, so it's not so surprising.

      "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

      by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 07:49:57 PM PDT

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  •  I flew from Albequerque to Roswell (7+ / 0-)

    a few years back and wow. just wow. The little wells stretching off into the distance, continues interruption in the land. It was an eye opener.

    •  What about interruption (2+ / 0-)
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      of residential neighborhoods? Because that's what's going on in the Barnett Shale at a very rapid pace.

      "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

      by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 07:53:34 PM PDT

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      •  Here's reality in East Arlington ... pipeline (3+ / 0-)
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        construction within 12' of people's bedroom walls. No law requiring them to odorize the natural gas before it gets to the refinery. Been told "we intend to" though not "required to." Hope that isn't the same level of intention of "not getting pregnant".  This pipeline goes by (shared boundary) 4 A.I.S.D. elementary schools.

        Ofcourse, they are also drilling underneath 30' high steel towers which carry high voltage electrical wires (probably the major grid going through Arlington.)  They lay the pipe RIGHT under the towers. The electrical easement is 20' wide. They encroached without permission onto 20' of adjoining owners land to use this narrow lot not only for the coring at this site but as a staging area for the park.
        Daniel Drive,DFW Midstreams Pipeline,Arlington,ONCOR/Luminant

        •  This is (2+ / 0-)
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          unbelievable.

          "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

          by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:51:36 PM PDT

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        •  So? (1+ / 0-)
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          I hate to tell you this, but those pictures don't look any different than what one sees in a city when they're putting in a subway.  I've lived and worked around Washington DC when they were putting in the Metro and I've driven through downtown Baltimore when they were putting in their subway.  It's a mess and a disruption and everyone hates it until it gets finished and regraded.  So, just what's your beef, beyond NIMBY.  If we put in wind turbines somewhere, some persons great view is going to get degraded.  I personally don't think that it matters that much in the long run, because we have folks pushing tourists to visit windmills along the Atlantic Coast from the Netherlands to Portugal these days when those same windmills were industrial plants back in the day.  In this case, I don't think you have anything to really complain about in the long run.

          "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

          by PrahaPartizan on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:07:57 PM PDT

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          •  Are you here for the late shift? (2+ / 0-)
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            Or rather, have you read this diary and the comments? You must be kidding about comparing gas well drilling/fracking in the Barnett Shale with building a subway. You're kidding, right?

            "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

            by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:17:21 PM PDT

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          •  Ignorant post (2+ / 0-)
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            Man! This is one of the dumbest, most uninformed posts I've ever seen on DK and I've been around for a good while now.
          •  Do they run unodorized natural gas through (1+ / 0-)
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            your subway? Don't your city code inspectors have jurisdiction over the construction sites on your subway? In Texas the legislature has stripped the cities of all jurisdiction over pipeline construction and left it to a non-functional Railroad Commission. I bet they don't wait over 8 weeks after a subway construction project starts in your city before an inspector steps foot on the site.

  •  The easements are scary. Oil and gas companies (11+ / 0-)

    have approached my family about drilling "test wells" on our property in Arkansas.  It's 100 acres and a bit of hardwood wetland.  They've offered us tidy sums just to put in a test well and then a lot more on top of that if they find gas on our property or any of the property adjoining ours.  However, part of the deals we've been offered is a provision that we would have to grant them an easement across our property whether they find gas on or property or not.  We've always declined and thus far they have not found any, or not enough gas in the area.  I'm glad those easements are big scars and I hope we are not surrounded by them someday.  Thanks for the video.

  •  Never thought I'd live to see the day (7+ / 0-)

    when we had to worry about earthquakes here in the flat-ass prairies of North Texas, but here we are.  I wonder if they'll get any worse (more intense) - I hope not.

  •  So we don't produce natural gas. (2+ / 0-)
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    Got anything to replace it? Right now?

    Do you drive a car? Do you heat your house? Do you use electricity?

    It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

    by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 07:13:37 PM PDT

    •  As a matter of fact we do... wind, solar, (3+ / 0-)
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      sugar cane, new technologies which are blocked by lobbyists. Heck, some of the farts of some of these politicans might propell some automobilies a few hundred miles.

      •  None of those amount to 1/10 of the BTUs we're (2+ / 0-)
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        getting from natural gas right now. You're not being realistic.

        It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

        by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 07:42:30 PM PDT

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        •  That is because we have not had the political (4+ / 0-)

          will to develop the technologies. We don't have enough solar cells because not enough people have bought them to cause mass production on scale enough to bring the cost down so that enough people will buy them. It isn't that the technology isn't there. It can be done. It can be done without gas. It means being determined to do it. That is being realistic. It boils down to decison and politics, dollars and whose pockets get what dollars.

          •  I'm all for developing those technologies. (2+ / 0-)
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            Even taxing hydrocarbons to do it. But we just can't stop drilling for natural gas before we have them.

            I have to say that most of the facilities shown in that film are clean and well-run. They do not represent the "Devastation" claimed in this diary's title.

            Those pipeling right-of-ways are new. They'll be planted and there'll be cattle and deer grazing on them within a couple of years. A few years back my yard was new. Bare dirt. But you know, I put in a lawn and trees and shit.

            It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

            by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:07:53 PM PDT

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            •  Fishgrease, thus far I've been really respectful (1+ / 0-)
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              towards you. However, it is really getting difficult considering the month I've had here in Arlington. Some of those sites you saw are in my neighborhood and I promise you how they look from the air is not nearly how they look, sound, smell, and are on the ground.

              •  Drilling sites smell. Some. (2+ / 0-)
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                But you're right. They should do something about that. And the technology is available.

                It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:43:30 PM PDT

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                •  Hey, I thought I be talking about ecology (4+ / 0-)

                  at this stage of the game. Instead I'm considering it a triump to get a piece of plyboard thrown across the top of a 20' deep hole next to where children live and play! Technology. Using what is known and considered normal industrial safety???? They are exempt from having to follow the rules that every other industry in town must follow because they are king gas and petroleum in Texas. Trust the Railroad Commission not to interfer in their operation. That's why the folks on the Railroad Commission are the folks on the Railroad Commission. Trust the Legislature not to vote on safety. Trust Craddick to keep all bills that include REASONABLE, not overly restrictive, but reasonable regulation from getting out of committee.  I never deamed that I'd be seeing open wells scattered through neighborhoods in my home town. I never dreamed that they wouldn't even rent chain link fencing and fence the construction site. I dreaded it but honestly, despite how bad I expected it to be, the reality is actually one thousand times worse than my worse foreboding.

            •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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              Those pipeling right-of-ways are new. They'll be planted and there'll be cattle and deer grazing on them within a couple of years. A few years back my yard was new. Bare dirt. But you know, I put in a lawn and trees and shit.

              Like this?

              "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

              by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:56:37 PM PDT

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        •  Fishgrease: wind and the sun will outlast (1+ / 0-)
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          natural gas by a thousand generations. Now who's not being realistic?

          Texas: Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Lady Bird & LBJ, Ann Richards, Sam Rayburn, Dan Rather, Ike, Sully Sullenberger, Lloyd Bentsen. It's No Bush League!

          by BlackSheep1 on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:15:36 PM PDT

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      •  He He He? (2+ / 0-)
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        Ever get an MRI? Ever blow up a balloon for your kid's birthday party?

        Yup. All the helium we use comes from natural gas.

        •  Ever breathe (2+ / 0-)
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          the air around a natural gas well in your neighborhood? Ever been really close to a gas well burnoff? This one in early May is located less than a mile from my home. It burned for 2 days. Funny, huh?

          <uc></uc>

          "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

          by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:39:40 PM PDT

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          •  I'm a natural gas production consultant. (2+ / 0-)
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            So yes. I've smelled both sour and sweet flares.

            As I said in an earlier post, they could and should have done that differently.

            I still cannot see any devastation.

            It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

            by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:59:17 PM PDT

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            •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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              So, what chemicals are in those sour and sweet flares you describe? Not bad for us? Devastation is not always clear to the naked eye. Or even clear to natural gas production consultants. Maybe you don't "live" so close to a well.

              "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

              by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:06:18 PM PDT

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              •  If they're sweet wells, and I assume they are (2+ / 0-)
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                then that flare is no worse than diesel smoke on the highway (which, granted, is bad enough).

                I spend between 8 and 16 hours daily on natural gas wellsites, 7 days a week.

                In close proximity to populations, there are alternatives to flaring, especially flares as large as that in your picture. They're doing it wrong.

                It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:13:17 PM PDT

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                •  I think (3+ / 0-)

                  you are throwing out a red herring or two there. I'm glad you consider yourself to be an expert. I do think that you may be part of the problem rather than the solution. Even though you likely don't see it that way.

                  "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                  by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:30:34 PM PDT

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                  •  Nope (2+ / 0-)
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                    Fishgrease isn't throwing out any red herrings.  His observation that they're doing it wrong has some validity too.  If the producer had any sense, it would be trying to figure out how to use that flare gas to help repressurize the formation or at least capture it for some other use.  Flaring merely exemplifies a lack of imagination.

                    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

                    by PrahaPartizan on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:00:19 PM PDT

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                    •  Chesapeake (0+ / 0-)

                      has no imagination? I've never thought about it that way. Question: How much more does it cost to be imaginative with the flaring?

                      "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                      by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:36:43 PM PDT

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                      •  Cheaspeake is imaginative (1+ / 0-)
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                        The infomercial they run on local TV stations includes photos of the pad site next to Gary Horton's house. They've added computer generated trees!

                        In Arlington they built the Levitt Paviliion... and very carefully had it placed facing City Hall as a reminder to those inside of how much the city owes Cheseapeak and how generous they are to be here among us!@#?/!

                        •  So (0+ / 0-)

                          their "imagination" is there when they want it to be. :-)

                          "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                          by suswa on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 10:22:29 AM PDT

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                •  Not true (2+ / 0-)
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                  flaring and venting much worse than diesel. I can't link because I only have my phone right now.

                  Maybe that's why Boulder, WY, population 75 has ozone alerts. Are you in charge of those wells?

                  Come on, I know people in WY. It's no better there.

            •  Fishgrease, I grew up in the oil and gas fields (3+ / 0-)
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              of East Texas. My dad was a welder on the Alaska Pipeline. I know that nearly every time we drove out in the country I enjoyed seeing the blue flames coming out in the distance in the pastures. I didn't understand about ozone and pollution. It wasn't omnious. However, when it is next to our houses, next to our schools, in the middle of our parks, next to the YWCA daycare center where babies are kept, it is a different matter. There is a place for everything and a season for everything. In the cities is not the place for natural gas wells no matter how high the BTU and no matter how much signing money they pay to the cities and big decision makers. The cost is too high. The risk is too high. The cost to this region because of additional air pollution will probably cost Federal dollars. The cost to repair streets and sewers damaged by the development. Also, I've heard land men talk about how drilling doesn't destablize foundations on houses but I trust Dale Henry to know more than all the land men combined and most of the "consultants" they produce about those matters and he says that the vibrations from drilling and fracking does destablize foundations on houses and shorten the lifespan of underground sewage and water pipes.  A pipeline through a horse pasture causes damage to the environment. A pipeline or gas well in the middle of a town of several hundred thousand people is a risk that is higher than we should be taking. The sad sad truth is that there will have to be proof before guys like you believe what some of us know to be true and that kind of proof is something I pray we do not see but fear with all my soul we will.

              •  I agree with this: (1+ / 0-)
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                A pipeline or gas well in the middle of a town of several hundred thousand people is a risk that is higher than we should be taking.

                It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:15:00 PM PDT

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                •  But you see (1+ / 0-)
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                  you can't see the forest for the trees because you work in the industry. And advocating for this industry is necessary for your livelihood. So, maybe you can't truly discuss it without having that bias.

                  "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                  by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:36:56 PM PDT

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                  •  I'm not advocating anything (1+ / 0-)
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                    except that we find a replacement for natural gas before we quit producing natural gas. And I don't mean rattling off all the possible alternatives with no idea of their feasibility.

                    It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                    by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:14:27 PM PDT

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                    •  I do believe (1+ / 0-)
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                      that strong comments do "rattle off the possible alternatives." That last part of your statement makes me think you aren't really serious..."with no idea of their feasibility." Go ahead, take a risk with some ideas. If you dare.

                      "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                      by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 10:22:40 PM PDT

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                      •  I do feel strongly that (2+ / 0-)
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                        folks who think that solar and wind (tides, stuff like that) can replace hydrocarbons anytime soon just don't know what they're talking about and haven't looked at the numbers.

                        We burn a lot of hydrocarbons. YOU burn a lot of hydrocarbons.

                        I run the two largest solar arrays in my county to provide automation, control and communications power to two of my remote sites. Been running them both for 12 years. At 10 years, they broke even on the amount of energy required for their manufacture, shipping and installation. In another 4 to 8 years, I'll be replacing them. They wear out. Each has more area than the roof of my house.

                        Each might run a desktop computer and LCD screen constantly. Might. As long as it was small and very energy efficient. Both together wouldn't run the server that posts this page every time each of us click our mouse. Each would move an economy car about 100 yds per day. Each would move an 18 wheel truck about 30 ft per day and a freight train a couple of centimeters per day. Newer panels are twice as efficient, so double all that. Woooo!

                        The only world saver I can think of is fusion. We should all pay a $.10 per gallon gas tax for fusion research.

                        And by the way, you've no right to question my sincerity or my gravity. You've no credible basis for that unless you meant it as an insult, in which case we're done here.

                        It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                        by Fishgrease on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 12:13:21 AM PDT

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                        •  I think (2+ / 0-)
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                          this comment has detail and is better. And since this diary was developed by a diarist that I've followed on this issue, I have no way of knowing your history with it. That's why it's important to offer real details. That's all. Thank you.

                          "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                          by suswa on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 10:32:49 AM PDT

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                    •  I'm not advocating anything except the industry (2+ / 0-)
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                      be responsible and stop taking unnecessary risks with our kids lives, our water and our air.

                    •  Here's what I'm advocating (2+ / 0-)
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                      If we have to drill for natural gas, we need to regulate the SHIT out of those SORRY @$@#! because they will do anything for profit and they continually endanger the public.

                      They should pay for property damage and for property devalue due to their activities.

                      They should have to remediate all the sludge pits where they burried toxic waste.

                      All chemicals used in the drilling process should be revealed to the general public immediately.

                      All of the MANY exemptions and loopholes big oil has from all of our federal environmental laws should be removed immediately. They should follow the same environmental laws as other industries.

                      They should be regulated on the FEDERAL level.

                      They should be taxed to fund alternative energy research.

                      Every environmental measure available should be mandatory on all wells.

                      They should use electric motors on all generators and install sound barriors.

                      For profit companies should not exercise eminent domain.

                      I've got a lot more but I'm typing this on my phone.

                      •  I can't see a thing there I disagree with. (2+ / 0-)
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                        And I see some things I strongly agree with.

                        And I'm one of the @$@#!s. I'm in the industry. Since I'm a Democrat, though, perhaps I'm not one of the sorry ones.

                        It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                        by Fishgrease on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 11:42:30 PM PDT

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                        •  People have to work (3+ / 0-)
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                          I don't fault the people who work in the industry. They hav families to support. I worked in the industry for 12 years and made 3 times what I make now. But my principles over-rode the money when I figured out the big picture.

                          Most of the time, people in the industry will admit, if you catch them in an honest moment, that they need more regulation.

                          •  Some enforcement would be nice. (2+ / 0-)
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                            Many regulations already on the books were ignored during Bush's 8 years. I consult exclusively for a small, private exploration/production company which is owned by a relatively eccentric fellow. Eccentric in that he insists we follow the rules and then some, so that there can be no question about it.

                            This puts people who don't follow the rules at a distinct financial advantage. During periods of low NG prices, I'm forced to shut down some operations because they become uneconomical, while the cheaters are still making a buck, basically pushing me out of the pipeline.

                            Lets enforce the rules. All of them.

                            It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                            by Fishgrease on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 10:02:34 AM PDT

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                          •  I hope you will (2+ / 0-)
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                            offer your insight more to TXSharon's diaries, here and elsewhere. Thank you.

                            "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                            by suswa on Sun Jun 14, 2009 at 10:37:42 AM PDT

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                          •  Enforcing the rules will be next to impossible (0+ / 0-)

                            There is not a great track record of keeping the regulators above industry influence.

                •  Glad to hear it. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I'm not even talking ecology. I'm talking basic fencing. I'm talking child endangerment. I talking about the legal term "ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE" which means something that looks not all that dangerous which may tempt you to investigate and you'll be seriously harmed.
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                  Bumper sticker says "Proud Parent of Honor Student at Nichols Jr. High". This plyboard covering over a deep well sump hole on apartment complex in Arlington was finally placed there after two ole ladies got into the business of the experts with TXU, ONCOR, LUMINANT and DFW MIDSTREAMS PIPELINE and pointed out that leaving uncovered well holes near children's play yards and in parks is simply not acceptable.

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                  To date, the pipeline company still refuses to use any fencing except the orange netting. They finally put some plyboard over one of the sump holes. I wouldn't trust it to hold a normal sized adult up. Wouldn't trust it not to separate or to get a foot caught in it. Wouldn't trust a kid, especially some boy living in the complex, to get curious and move that plyboard. After all, can't be too dangerous can it, or why would they let it be drilled right there by where families park their cars.

                  Certainly wouldn't trust someone not to fall into it if it were night and they were taking a short-cut. This is what they are doing across the street at the park. At least this is what they started doing about Wednesday. Before that they were just leaving them open without even any plyboard.

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                  Across the street in the city park is a 20' easement running the length of the park in the middle of the park. Folks know that when it hasn't rained in a while, the creek is narrow and easy to step over. It is frequent for folks to take a short-cut through the park at night. If someone tries to step over the orange netting and take a short-cut, the pipeline company has refused to put up any temporary fencing (even the small cages like are used on rural well sites or by ranchers around water wells) to prevent someone from failing to realize that there is a well hole underneath.
                  The plyboard is an improvement but not much of one. A person can get their foot caught in the middle of the boards, the boards can slip, and at night there will probably not be anyone nearby to help.

          •  He = Helium (0+ / 0-)

            Faith was absolving herself of any responsibility for gas and oil drilling. But we all use it. We all share responsibility, even doing something as simple as blowing up a balloon.

            •  Personally (4+ / 0-)

              I don't blow up balloons with helium. And since I think we've got a problem, I don't think we solve it by rationalizing how we are all to blame. And then forget about it tomorrow.

              "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

              by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:09:27 PM PDT

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              •  Well, I'm glad to hear (0+ / 0-)

                That you don't drive a car using gasoline, or heat your house with natural gas or heating oil, or use any electricity to light your home or power your computer.

                •  It's the same thing (2+ / 0-)
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                  As long as we don't strive for less destructive ways to fuel our cars, heat our houses and power our computers, then we are destroying our amazing planet. I already said that you are simply trying to "rationalize" how we are all to blame. And that's simply a distraction. Thanks, but no thanks.

                  "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

                  by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:45:04 PM PDT

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                •  Won't really matter than much if your kid (1+ / 0-)
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                  or you gets killed by an industrial accident at a site adjacent to your house which has been exempted from following normal safety measures required of every other industry in your town!

    •  stupid question.. (2+ / 0-)
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      If you'd been reading with any comprehension at all, you'd realize that nat gas is in serious depletion, meaning the big companies have already ( and deeply) screwed the pooch.There's no major basin left, so they're going after "unconventional" recovery which will just ruin more land, water, communities. The objection to this sort of raping and pillaging is totally valid and essential.The question should be put to the big boys a s to just why they knew about depletion and never warned the country. Peak natural gas, peak oil, and peak coal is a very ugly, irreversible scenario. Pile it on top of our economic meltdown and it looks that much uglier.

  •  Some years back we were scared (4+ / 0-)

    that our neighbor across the road who needed money was going to let them drill for gas.  We live in MI and there were wells down the road not too far and at the time they were burning at the top and you could smell it for miles.

    He didn't, thank heavens!!

    My uncle up north had one on his property and I have always wondered if my aunt's terrible asthma and now my cousin's were a result of that.  I have no proof.

    Join us at Bookflurries: Bookchat on Wednesday nights 8:00 PM EST

    by cfk on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 07:18:31 PM PDT

    •  Probably depends on close they are to the diesel (2+ / 0-)
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      generators and other pollution creating contributors they use. At the Carrizo well at UTA there is one homeowner who has consistently shown them the pollution at her place. They've offered her fair market value for her home. That house is the same distance from the well as the YWCA Day Care for infants and children. It's on state land so Arlington's code requiring a 600' set-back doesn't apply.

  •  I dread this (6+ / 0-)

    This is coming to my township soon. The terrain is different, rocky and hilly with trees. I notice most of all the fragmentation of the environment; then the uncovered sludge pits, inviting animals, with torn and collapsed liners, right next to the lakes.

    Right now in my neighborhood, there are no fewer than 10 bears in a 4 square mile area; I'm sure there are more. This is way too many, driven out from the towns by farms and woodlands sold for development. I don't know where they'll go once the drilling starts. Maybe the vibrations will drive them away, or make them aggressive.

    I still keep hoping that they'll come up with better ways of doing this.

    •  My heart breaks for you (5+ / 0-)
      Fight it! Fight for regulation! But know that there will never be enough regulations or regulators.

      The Barnett Shale: The SCAR of Texas.

      from my phone

      •  It took 8 weeks and news media and other pressure (4+ / 0-)

        to get the Texas Railroad Commission inspector to the Daniel Dr. Pipeline site and it was in a residential neighborhood, drilling within 12 feet of the walls of two residences with an unfenced backyard next door with a family five children!  Sharon, please excuse my barnyard observations. After spending every waking minute for the past month trying to rescue a cancer patient living on one side and to get the family next door out before one of the kids does what kids normally do.. ignores the adults and goes exploring... well I'd probably not mind feeding the carcasses of some of these legislators, railroad commissioners and ALL THE OIL AND GAS MEN who insist that they need to self-regulate to the bears. Only I would hesitate to do that to the bears.

        •  Here's the open well sump hole on Daniel Dr (4+ / 0-)
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          sump hole on construction site

          Five children live in the house with an unfenced yard adjoining this well hole. It was left totally uncovered for 8 weeks until we started calling and blogging and photographing and videotaping and calling and ... well you know what a pain in the butt two ole ladies can be when they see open well holes in unfenced places near little kids.

          •  I don't think our state (2+ / 0-)
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            allows drilling that close to a residence or to water. But I'd better double check. Even if distance is requires, that's no guarantee there won't be problems. We're not in an earthquake zone, either, but subsidence could occur, or--who knows what?

      •  What is astounding is how MANY there are. (3+ / 0-)
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        I live in Parker County. Within a four mile radius, there are, I estimate, at least seven or eight wells. They are everywhere.  

        And on most of the entrances to these wells, even entrances to the properties, which can be hundreds of yards away from the wells themselve, are signs that prohibit any kind of flame or smoking. Gives you quite a feeling of confidence that the damn things are safe, don't you know.  

        A friend of mine who has a well on her property now has a pond that is polluted. The gas workers come in and out constantly. She's been trying to sell her property for six months, but I doubt anyone is going to buy it with that ugly well complex on it.  

    •  the unfettered free market at work! (2+ / 0-)
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      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:00:27 PM PDT

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  •  Maybe some of those bears will take care (3+ / 0-)
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    of a few of those land men!

  •  Natural Gas prices are at record lows almost free (0+ / 0-)

    I'm frankly not worried about increased Nat Gas exploration & drilling.  It has completely stopped.

  •  Great video. Really illustrative. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Starboard Broadside: Firing all guns at the Right since September 2008!

    by Cpt Robespierre on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:13:12 PM PDT

  •  would you email me? (0+ / 0-)

    My email is in profile and I'd like to hear more about this - it's a big issue in the ammonia industry ...

    "Not dead ... yet. Still have ... things to do." -Liet Kynes

    by Stranded Wind on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 08:42:53 PM PDT

  •  I read the story about the earthquakes (3+ / 0-)
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    earlier today.

    Earthquakes in Bedford! Holy crap! My son was born in Bedford.

    I knew they were screwing things up with this supposedly "harmless" fracking, but the greed of the oil and gas industry apparently knows no bounds.

    The money from leasing mineral rights was good for the little towns like Cleburne, but at what ultimate cost?

    Good job on getting this info out again, Sharon.

    "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

    by Brooke In Seattle on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 09:13:41 PM PDT

    •  Remember the news stories earlier this year (2+ / 0-)
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      about yards of folks crumbling into a creek. Cities not claiming responsibility. No one claiming responsiblity. We think of that happening with folks who buy houses on cliffs in California. These are relatively new subdivision homes which used to have nice back yards with a drainage ditch at their backboundary. Now they are walking out their backdoor into a drainage ditch. That was before the earthquakes. We've had 3 earthquakes in Arlington this year.

  •  Zomg!! A city of 4000?!?! (0+ / 0-)

    Everyone panic! What will we do! We've never seen a city that big before!

    •  That's a (1+ / 0-)
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      ridiculous comment. You don't understand this diary, obviously. Try reading it next time.

      "I have very strong feelings about how you lead your life. You always look ahead, you never look back." ~ Ann Richards (Governor of Texas, 1990-94)

      by suswa on Sat Jun 13, 2009 at 11:05:28 PM PDT

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  •  Folks, it's been a long month, (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm turning into toast. I appreciate all of you. Ever ounce of thought and prayer and activism and in the industry diligency toward sanity and safety is appreciated. No one on this list is saying not to develop natural resources. We are saying there are sane, reasonable ways to do it which do not have to endanger lives, destroy the ecosystem and exempt arrogant industries from following the same rules that apply to the rest of the human beings on the planet.  

    If you don't live in Texas, you don't have Rick Perry as Governor and you didn't have his predecessor in the White House to solidify the lamebrain stupid practices that aren't even acceptable in Eastern Europe!

    Thank you for lending your voice to help make this diary visible. Sharon, as usualy, you're lending your torch to the issue. Thanks gal. Hope to see you soon.

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