Skip to main content

I have been thinking, what can people do to get the message across to legislators and their owners in the business community that the United States is facing a crisis in health care that is not going to wait another decade or two for a solution? What can we do to address the refusal of our leadership to institute universal health care for all Americans like other developed nations have?

We ask for a solution, and what do they present us with, another dysfunctional insurance program, one that leaves people exposed to far more risk than it should, and does not address the root problems with skyrocketing costs.

I think that they need to see that all Americans are under attack by these costs and that we can't afford them to put off actually solving these problems any more.

The only way to do that is TO STOP BUYING UNTIL WE HAVE UHC.

I think that all Americans should, effective immediately, stop making any and all unnecessary purchases. Instead, we should send letters to vendors, we would otherwise buy, or via some other method, like wearing a white armband, inform others that we are "boycotting until we have universal healthcare and health security". The wearing of the white armband would also give a symbol of solidarity to others, for example, public option supporters, as it would mean that we support affordable, universal healthcare for all Americans, even those who could not afford its premiums.

The "Public Option" vs. Single Payer Compared
 Single-Payer"Public Option"
Number InsuredUniversal CoverageMillions remain uninsured or underinsured
CoverageCoverage for all medically necessary services.Insurers continue to strip-down policies and increase patients' co-payments and deductibles.
CostRedirect $350 billion in administrative waste to care; no net increase in health spending.Increase health spending more than $1 trillion over 10 years.
Savings$350 billion in administrative waste. Further systemic savings achieved through negotiated fee schedule with physicians, global budgeting of hospitals, bulk purchasing of pharmaceuticals, rational planning of capital expenditures, etc.Add further layers of administrative bloat to our health system through the introduction of a regulator / broker "exchange."
SustainabilityLarge scale cost controls (global budgeting, capital planning, etc.) ensure that benefits are sustainable over the long term.Uncontrolled costs ensure that any gains in coverage are quickly erased as government is forced to hike spending or slash benefits.
Download this in printable PDF format

This is from:
http://www.pnhp.org/...

"Won’t this raise my taxes?

Currently, about 60% of our health care system is financed by public money: federal and state taxes, property taxes and tax subsidies. These funds pay for Medicare, Medicaid, the VA, coverage for public employees (including police and teachers), elected officials, military personnel, etc. There are also hefty tax subsidies to employers to help pay for their employees’ health insurance. About 20% of health care is financed by all of us individually through out-of-pocket payments, such as co-pays, deductibles, the uninsured paying directly for care, people paying privately for premiums, etc. Private employers only pay 21% of health care costs. In all, it is a very "regressive" way to finance health care, in that the poor pay a much higher percentage of their income for health care than higher income individuals do.

A universal public system would be financed in the following way: The public funds already funneled to Medicare and Medicaid would be retained. The difference, or the gap between current public funding and what we would need for a universal health care system, would be financed by a payroll tax on employers (about 7%) and an income tax on individuals (about 2%). The payroll tax would replace all other employer expenses for employees’ health care, which would be eliminated. The income tax would take the place of all current insurance premiums, co-pays, deductibles, and other out-of-pocket payments. For the vast majority of people, a 2% income tax is less than what they now pay for insurance premiums and out-of-pocket payments such as co-pays and deductibles, particularly if a family member has a serious illness. It is also a fair and sustainable contribution.

Currently, 47 million people have no insurance and hundreds of thousands of people with insurance are bankrupted when they have an accident or illness. Employers who currently offer no health insurance would pay more, but those who currently offer coverage would, on average, pay less. For most large employers, a payroll tax in the 7% range would mean they would pay slightly less than they currently do (about 8.5%). No employer, moreover, would gain a competitive advantage because he had scrimped on employee health benefits. And health insurance would disappear from the bargaining table between employers and employees.

Of course, the biggest change would be that everyone would have the same comprehensive health coverage, including all medical, hospital, eye care, dental care, long-term care, and mental health services. Currently, many people and businesses are paying huge premiums for insurance so full of gaps like co-payments, deductibles and uncovered services that it would be almost worthless if they were to have a serious illness."

Originally posted to Andiamo on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:40 AM PDT.

Poll

Will you stop buying until we have free Universal National Health Care?

61%30 votes
38%19 votes

| 49 votes | Vote | Results

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    "Rationally, single payer is the best system","our system is the worst, most expensive and least effective." - Ex-President Bill Clinton

    by Andiamo on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:40:55 AM PDT

    •  And what do we do when our citizens (4+ / 0-)

      start starving to death because no one is using their parent's employer's services?  I like where your heart is, but I think we need a better plan.

      "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things". Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

      by nicweb on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:42:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  We are adults.. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        publicv, Powell

        we can deal with this like adults.

        "Rationally, single payer is the best system","our system is the worst, most expensive and least effective." - Ex-President Bill Clinton

        by Andiamo on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:47:06 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Further damaging the economy wouldn't be a (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          sancerre2001, Lazar, publicv, Powell

          good way to accomplish what we're after.  I think something large scale, as you've indicated, would be great.  I think you're on the right track, but I just disagree with that particular plan.

          "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things". Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

          by nicweb on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:51:56 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  WTF. The criminal corps can damage the economy (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Andiamo, airmarc, publicv

            and get what they want.

            But WE THE PEOPLE can't?

            You know, its that kind of cowardice that keep us down...

            When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

            by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:53:51 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  The diarists idea cannot work. Today. (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Donkey Hotey, Powell

              See my comment below.

              If God had been a Liberal, we wouldn't have had the ten commandments. We'd have had the ten suggestions.

              by funluvn1 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:55:32 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Of course we can't. Let's use one example. (3+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              sancerre2001, Lazar, Powell

              Let's say that we all just stop buying pizza to show the government that we mean business.  That's a pretty small statement, wouldn't you say?  Not as grand as what has been proposed.

              If we stopped buying pizza, then places from Papa John's to your local pizzeria wouldn't be able to pay their workers.  Their workers would get laid off.

              Now, good luck to these people finding a job.  They've got to feed themselves and their families right?  So what do they do?  Maybe they go on public assistance.  This would be a two-stroke hit on the tax base as 1) you no longer have this individual's tax revenue and 2) they're drawing money out of the system so they don't starve to death.  So, with the tax base weakened, cuts would have to be made somewhere.  Perhaps more people lose their jobs.

              Now, with no pizza being ordered, the companies that make their ingredients get hit too.  From the truck driver that delivers them, to the immigrant farm worker who picks the tomatoes.

              That's why we shouldn't fuck with the economy.  Just because some irresponsible people put us in this situation doesn't mean that we have to make it even worse.  

              Don't interrupt your buying patterns if possible.  There are too many people counting on you.  I'm not saying that you should buy everything, but taking it down to just the essentials would cause more of an economic ripple than we need right now.  

              "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things". Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

              by nicweb on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:59:39 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  What you say makes sense, but... (0+ / 0-)

                if we want to actually get justice on important things, we need drastic measures.

                Just think: after a huge effort, we managed to get a Democrat into the White House and a majority in the House and Senate. And what happens?

                1. The wars continue unabated.
                1. The gov't still fights for secrecy, protects torturers, spies on us without warrants...and god knows what else.
                1. No universal healthcare. (if you think phone calls will make a difference, you are dreaming.)

                I mean, the changes have been tiny. The story is this: WE THE PEOPLE have very little power right now. We have seen that ballots won't change anything. And violence is evil, so we shouldn't do that?

                What's left? Full-scale boycotts or a general strike. Nothing short of that will change things. The gov't and the corps depend on us for two things: LABOR and SPENDING. If we take control of either, or both...then the oppressors crumble.

                If not, we continue to lose...pretty much forever...

                When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:09:00 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  You presume that the people... (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Lazar

                  ...are on your side.

                  I think you need to rethink that assumption.

                  Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.

                  by mistersite on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:11:07 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  Actually, I don't make that presumption. (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    nicweb

                    I think the people will quietly suffer without healthcare. They will quietly let teenagers be strip-searched with the approval of the SCOTUS. They will be okay with mass unregulated spying...on THEM. They will sit back and let the corporations continue to rape the economy and send what few jobs are left overseas.

                    No, I don't have faith in the people.

                    When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                    by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:16:18 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  I'm all for drastic measures. But we can't (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Powell

                  monkey with the economy.  Maybe we should just all get on buses and go to Washington.  All of us.  Millions of us.

                  "The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things". Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

                  by nicweb on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:16:55 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I agree that its bad to mess with the economy... (0+ / 0-)

                    but it's the only thing those with power understand: money.

                    They'd cover our protest and we'd go home and work and spend and the powers that be would continue sitting pretty.

                    And we'd still have no healthcare, two wars, and ongoing loss of civil liberties. And, if the powerful want more (and they always do), they'd just take it.

                    Look, I've personally suffered terribly under this economy. And I know many others struggling. But we really only have two powers that are respected: LABOR and SPENDING.

                    Those are the levers of power for "we the people". We "won" at the ballot box and that didn't work. And violence is evil and wrong...and we should never take that route, even if it could work. (I don't think it could...)

                    When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                    by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:29:25 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

      •  Maybe somebody will react before the entire (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        publicv

        country goes down...

        And, if not, we at least know that America was rotten to the corps and needed to fall for justice to live.

        When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

        by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:54:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I can't agree with it either (5+ / 0-)

        The best hardware store in town is hanging on by a thread, and if people stop buying it will have to close and we will be stuck with the big-box stores.

        This is SOOOO totally counterproductive it isn't funny. I suggest instead a selective, targeted boycott aimed at the big-box chains. Don't go to Lowe's or Home Despot - find a local hardware store and support it (like Solenberger's in Winchester). Don't buy at Wally World - get it locally, make it yourself, or do without. Support your local eateries, not the fast-food chains (or even the "upscale" chains). Support your local groceries, farmers' markets, bookstores, and so forth.

        The best soft-serve ice cream store in Winchester can be found at a Mom & Pop shop on the corner of Braddock Street & Handley Avenue, just across from the high school grounds.They're struggling just now because the city is ripping up lower Braddock for water and sewer improvements and it's very hard for customers to get to them. Hint, hint to any Kossacks in the Winchester area, and I know I'm not the only one! (I want to see them succeed because they're nice people, if politically naive, and because their little shop is the best thing to happen to that corner in years - before them it was a never-ending cycle of startups and failures.)

        I can't claim perfect compliance with my own recommendations, but I keep trying.

        If it's
        Not your body
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        AND it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:56:00 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  No. The big financial institutions held the (0+ / 0-)

          entire economy hostage and got its way.

          Now, its OUR turn. (of course, because most of "we the people" are cowards, we will continue to FAIL to act, and suffer and complain and promote half-measures that can NEVER work...)

          When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

          by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:57:47 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Don't punish local businesses (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            nicweb, Lazar, Powell

            It's not THEIR fault, and Big Business is their enemy too.

            If it's
            Not your body
            Then it's
            Not your choice
            AND it's
            None of your damn business!

            by TheOtherMaven on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:07:01 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Don't worry. Nobody will do anything. (0+ / 0-)

              We'll just sit here and cower...like we've always done.

              When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

              by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:11:30 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  You didn't say "We The People" ;-) (0+ / 0-)

                "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

                by sancerre2001 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:47:05 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  I am SO with you. And I LOVE Barbara Jordan... (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  sancerre2001

                  Look. When the time came, the people of India were ready. And the Chinese stood up...albeit they lost. And the Czechs stood up. And other have stood up and won their freedom.

                  Right now, we're being played. And we're still not yet ready to act. I'm hoping that someday, we will.

                  Looks like it's Iran's time now. Ours hasn't come yet.

                  When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                  by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:50:24 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I'm afraid... (0+ / 0-)

                    that most Americans, although they support progressive change, are uncomfortable with the kind of massive civil demonstration you seem to be advocating. We're still fighting over the sixties for gosh sakes. I'm afraid that I don't have any answers, Washington seems very unwilling to listen to the will of the people. It's frustrating.

                    "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

                    by sancerre2001 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:59:42 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

        •  Well said. (0+ / 0-)

          It's corporations that are messing things up, all over the place. If they start losing market share on a massive scale, they will be forced to change the way they do business, to become more responsible....hopefully.

          "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

          by sancerre2001 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:50:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  So, boycott everything. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Powell

      Yeah, that should work...

      I wanna quote another British poet.

      by Lazar on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:21:24 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  this seems a bit unrealistic n/t (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    nicweb, Lazar, Powell
    •  It's unrealistic only if we don't do it. (0+ / 0-)

      When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

      by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:52:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Which makes it unrealistic... (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        nicweb, Lazar

        ...as I can say with almost 100% certainty that in a nation where 40% of the people still reliably vote Republican, it's not gonna happen.

        Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.

        by mistersite on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:54:40 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  It is unrealistic. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Powell

          See my comment below.

          If God had been a Liberal, we wouldn't have had the ten commandments. We'd have had the ten suggestions.

          by funluvn1 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:56:07 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Yeah, if only 60% acted, nobody would notice. (0+ / 0-)

          When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

          by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:15:25 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  You're going to convince 180 million people (0+ / 0-)

            to stop buying anything and start starving? What are you on?

            I wanna quote another British poet.

            by Lazar on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:24:36 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  No, I expect everyone to sit quietly and suffer. (0+ / 0-)

              When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

              by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:30:19 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  What a stupid false dichotomy - (0+ / 0-)

                either you convince hundreds of millions of people to follow your insane, extremist, self-destructive plan that you just pulled out of your ass, or no one does anything at all?

                I wanna quote another British poet.

                by Lazar on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:36:56 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  And YOUR plan is...what exactly. (0+ / 0-)

                  My plan is to accept reality...we can't change things until the people have guts. When and if the people ever really are ready to demand change, I'll be ready too.

                  Meanwhile, enjoy fooling yourself that phone calls and working with politicians will do something...

                  When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                  by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:47:43 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  No get this - (0+ / 0-)

                    I'll convince 240 million Americans... no, I'll convince 360 million Americans (120%!) to scream at the top of their lungs and hop up and down on one foot until we have single payer health care and politicians stop being corrupt. What about the elderly, the children, the infirm? Fuck 'em, they'll scream and hop up and down, and they'll like it. And they'll do it for weeks, months if necessary, until they get what they want. And if they don't, then they're just a bunch of apathetic losers who will sit quietly and suffer.

                    Q: How do you plan to convince people to follow this plan?
                    A: I don't; I expect them to sit quietly and suffer.

                    Q: What if you can only get 110% of Americans, and not 120%
                    A: Well then, they'll just have to sit quietly and suffer.

                    Q: What if they can only manage screaming OR hopping, but not both?
                    A: Then I fear they'll just have to sit loudly, or hop quietly, and suffer.

                    I wanna quote another British poet.

                    by Lazar on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 10:00:02 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  A pretty small percentage of Iranians are making (0+ / 0-)

                      a pretty big noise right now.

                      Not with ballots. Or letters to the editor. Or phone calls to politicians.

                      Americans are ready to take the steps required for change, so they won't get it right now.

                      When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

                      by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 10:08:08 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

      •  Which is an obscure way of saying (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Powell

        that there's no chance in hell that you could ever convince any significant number of people to do this.

        I wanna quote another British poet.

        by Lazar on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:23:25 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Blanket boycotts don't work (5+ / 0-)

    They don't have any sensible target, and they merely time-shift demand.  And your poll is the sort of intellectually dishonest false dichotomy that gives activists a bad reputation.  If it's "you're with us or you're against us", I guess I'm going to have to be against you.  Sounds like a bit of a leadership problem there.

    •  Bullshit. If WE THE PEOPLE ever actually exercise (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      airmarc

      our power, the powers that oppress us would crumble and fall.

      When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

      by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:56:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Your plan? (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Lazar, Powell

        Because we have one if we pass the public option.  See my comment below.

        If God had been a Liberal, we wouldn't have had the ten commandments. We'd have had the ten suggestions.

        by funluvn1 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:56:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  There are 300 million of WE THE PEOPLE. (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Lazar

        And your proposal to get all of them to participate in a nationwide boycott of everything is... what, exactly?

        Join the Matthew 25 Network and help Democrats win the next generation of evangelicals.

        by mistersite on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:58:09 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  We won't. We'll cower and suffer... (0+ / 0-)

          that's been our plan all along....

          We don't have the WILL to demand what's right. We're gutless...unlike the Iranians.

          And since we won't fight for what's right, we don't deserve it either. We deserve instead to be slaves of corporate powers and lying politicians and a gov't that spies and tortures and pisses on our unalienable rights.

          When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

          by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:01:13 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  This is unrealistic. Start with the public option (7+ / 0-)

    and let the American People see the difference in FOR PROFIT insurance companies and NOT FOR PROFIT government medicare for the people.

    Once the profit monsters have become unuseful, UHC is a shoo-in.

    This takes though aforehand.  Think, act for what is needed now to prove what could be done and then move forward.

    If God had been a Liberal, we wouldn't have had the ten commandments. We'd have had the ten suggestions.

    by funluvn1 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 08:54:16 AM PDT

  •  It worked against Hitler (0+ / 0-)

    It was the only thing that really got him where it counted, in the pocketbook.

    "Rationally, single payer is the best system","our system is the worst, most expensive and least effective." - Ex-President Bill Clinton

    by Andiamo on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:04:55 AM PDT

  •  boycotting paying into structured (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    PurpleMyst, Powell

    health care services seems like an excellent idea to me.  I do.  If you get sick you just go to the hospital.  You either have some earnings you pay for health care with or the doctors will stay true to their hippocratic oath and still treat you.  Or not.  But if you keep paying into a wrong system it will stay wrong.

    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

    by publicv on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:22:53 AM PDT

  •  Armbands, yes -- in SUPPORT of universal ... (0+ / 0-)

    single-payer coverage.

    We need to all be sporting a visible sign of our feelings on this issue.

    Armbands, buttons, bumperstickers.

    I'm sorry, but I think it's pointless to ask people to boycott all non-essential spending.  That's only going to hurt merchants and retail workers.

  •  No (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sancerre2001, Powell

    I won't.

    I'll be understanding of the fact that to enact a single payer plan requires steps.  It's not going to happen in one sitting.  We first have to convince a couple generations of Americans that the whole world will not collapse if we have a nationalized health care system.  That's going to require a demonstration of the effectiveness of the public sector's abilities regarding delivering health care.  

    Where was the weirdest place you ever made whoopee?

    by otto on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:35:24 AM PDT

    •  A couple of generations? (0+ / 0-)

      Then, why the f%ck bother?

      People are already convinced that what we have now is a failure. And 76% say they want the public option. If this isn't enough...well, taking a few generations to "convince people" (presumably the remaining 24%) won't do any good...

      When a government violates the unalienable rights of the people, it loses its legitimacy.

      by Rayk on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 10:01:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I voted for #2 (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    PurpleMyst, Powell

    Why? Because the poll is rediculous. I am already doing #1 (except for the armband thing) because I have no choice. I have massive medical expenses, can't work, all I can afford is the basics. I guess I should have ignored the poll and not voted, but polls like that annoy the hell out of me.

    "We believe that the people are the source of all governmental power; that the authority of the people is to be extended, not restricted."-Barbara Jordan

    by sancerre2001 on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 09:39:04 AM PDT

  •  Let's not dismiss this idea...... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sancerre2001

    I think this is the beginning of an idea, but it is not fully formed by the diarist.  I was thinking along the same lines the other day, but I didn't think boycotting everything was a good idea at this time and could not come up with one product that could be boycotted that would send a message to Congress.

    That led me to think of other forms of messaging that could be used.  The idea of wearing a white armband has its merits and something worth considering.  Or maybe we should take examples from political campaigns and use bumper stickers and lawn signs. We know these work and I haven't seen any supporting healthcare reform. The question is is why aren't they being used for healthcare reform.

  •  Recipe for a depression (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    sancerre2001

    Consumers arent' buying that much as it is right now. Things are just starting to pick up. If we stopped spending now, than all of the stimulus and other Obama and the Democratic congress have done to date is for naught. If we slip into a depression, you can forget UHC. Many people who have health care now will lose theirs. Plus, I would imagine the people who would benefit the most from getting UHC done now arent' doing that much discretionary spending now anyway.

  •  you want to raise (0+ / 0-)

    income taxes by 2 percent and paroll taxes by 7 percent?

    how does that save me any money?

    seems like a way to create layoffs or higher prices for everything to me.

    here is another question - seeing you just put the health insurance business out of business what do you do with all the workers? the unpaid debts? the empty buildings? the cities that rely on the insurance companies employing thousands of people (per city). Don't tell me they'll just work for the new system because then your tax figures are off.

    what about doctor pay? nurse pay? many hospitals pay for nurses to go back to school, will this system pump enough extra cash into the system to keep that going?

    seeing the government is paying now, would it also have to cough up for malpractice suits? or will it just limit doctor pay, and not give protections?

    how do people without jobs help pay into the system? if it is just payroll and income tax how do the elderly, young, unemployed, disabled, etc help keep the system running.

    what about life insurance? many health insurance companies do that too. will the gov start paying for that? what will that cost?

    there are serous questions about every health care proposal, and so far everyone is looking at single payer with rose colored glasses, only seeing the benefits, but not the downside. everyone needs to take a step back, take a deep breath, look at it all obectively, and start over.

  •  Good intentions / Bad idea (0+ / 0-)

    As a former organizer (back in the day) for the United Farm Workers union, which effectively used boycotts, I wince whenever I see the tactic recommended for use in this way. Boycotts can work when they are clear in their target, goals, and execution. The more general they are, the weaker they are. An effective boycott needs to appeal to a critical mass of people. The one suggested simply won't. Instead, it may make a few people feel as if they're doing something, when there are much more germane actions to be taken.

    Health-care reform is critical (believe me, I know; as a self-employed person with a chronic health condition that is under control but which prevents me from being eligible for coverage by another company, I'm currently facing a raise in the rates for my policy to over $4,000 a quarter -- that's over $16,000 a year !!! -- and with a $2,400 deductible to boot). But let's not waste our time on poorly thought-out protests. Emails, phone calls, letters are all much better actions to take than this, and joining in actions that target key on-the-fence legislators even better.

    "Action is the antidote to despair." --Joan Baez

    by Nancy in Berkeley on Sat Jun 20, 2009 at 10:34:41 AM PDT

  •  A street protest like Iranians are doing will (0+ / 0-)

    be more effective than anything else.

    What's stopping the Americans from doing so?

    •  No, I don't think its wise or appropriate (0+ / 0-)

      for obvious reasons, it would give the media an excuse to marginalize single payer advocates that they don't have right now.

      There already is a media quarantine on single payer.

      I think that shows us what kind of coverage we could expect, the MSM's hostility to the issue is obvious.

      Comments in online forums, apart from this one, have far more pro-single payer comments than their coverage would indicate.

      BTW, in Canada, Tommy Douglas, the person who brought single payer to Canada, is seen as a national hero, like FDR is here.

      "Rationally, single payer is the best system","our system is the worst, most expensive and least effective." - Ex-President Bill Clinton

      by Andiamo on Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 02:00:39 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  People have a RIGHT to purchase or not purchase (0+ / 0-)

    at will. I think this issue has an urgency like no other, as shown by the responses to it. Perhaps this issue divides Americans across class lines, but that was not the fault of the people who need affordable health care. Therefore, I think people are within their rights to choose not to buy, or to choose to only buy necessities, and only do so in bulk, until this problem is solved.

    Its also the sensible thing to do when you could be bankrupted at any time by something that's not under your control.

    Why does it disturb some of you so much?

    Because it could work?

    Because economic disaster is coming anyway, and you don't want it to be blamed on this issue?

    "Rationally, single payer is the best system","our system is the worst, most expensive and least effective." - Ex-President Bill Clinton

    by Andiamo on Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 01:55:15 PM PDT

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site