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Mark Sanford, term-limited South Carolina governor, 2012 GOP presidential nominee short-lister, now sees his career and marriage in ashes.  He may even see his continued freedom curtailed, as impeachment proceedings for his going AWOL are likely.  In fact, his last trip to Argentina -- which he'd planned to take ten days, but was cut short at five -- may have been the preliminary move he was going to make to ditching his wife, kids, and the governorship all at one go; as bmaz and Marcy say, you don't take a ten-day or even five-day trip to Argentina just to say goodbye.

So why haven't they gotten divorced yet?  Two reasons -- the kids and The Family.  No, not their own -- this one.

More after the jump.  Crossposted at Oxdown.

Let's look at the kids' part of the equation first:

Okay, you're Mark Sanford.  You are, to judge from your e-mails, tired of being governor, troubled in your marriage, and feeling the first real soul-changing love of your life -- and it's with a woman who's not your wife.  

Then you take that ill-fated "hiking trip" and the story of your affair comes out, and your political career -- a career your wife helped build, if not out-and-out directed -- is now in ruins.  You face shame, loss of power, an ice-cold situation at home with your spouse, and even the possibility of prison time for misuse of your office.

What is there to keep you from running away from all that?  Really, even if the mistress can't or won't take you in, why haven't you handed in your resignation and started divorce proceedings already, just to escape from all of that?

Easy:  You want to see your kids again, if for no other reason than that you don't want their only view of you to be the acid-etched one your wife will provide, and you know that won't happen if you leave.  So you stay.  (Even though there's ample evidence that staying together "for the sake of the kids" dumps a hell of a lot of pain on the kids:  "Mom and Dad aren't happy and it's because of us.")

But what about Jenny Sanford?  Why does she want to stay with a man who doesn't seem to want to stay with her?

Power.  If she can't get to the White House through Mark, well, then, she'll do so on her own. (It's not as if she doesn't have the brains to do it -- hell, she ran his campaigns and was one of his chief gubernatorial advisers.)  And she certainly has money, as the Skil heiress.  Plus, there's a Bill/Hillary Clinton dynamic here:  His career may be done, but she can use the sympathy generated by her position as Grossly Wronged Wife to get first a spot on Capitol Hill (perhaps as early as next year, if Lindsey Graham's hints about his own "sins" lead to him foregoing a re-election campaign)

But she'll need to stay in the good graces of the Fundies -- especially of The Family (or "C Street" as her hubby Mark referenced them in his tearful press conference).  And Fundies don't like divorce at all.  In addition, she can’t let Democratic women like Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Edwards or Silda Spitzer outdo her in the Stand By Your Man department.

So expect to see them stay together, with tight, fake smiles and their kids serving as human shields in the public photo-ops, and eventually a spate of "Vote for Jenny" signs appearing in their locality.  

UPDATE:  Looks like I'm not the only one thinking that Jenny's going to come out from behind the scenes politically:

Can they make her the governor now?

Originally posted to Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM PDT.

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    •  Tips, tags, flames, suggestions (7+ / 0-)

      Bring 'em on.

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 12:55:47 PM PDT

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    •  eh, I don't know (3+ / 0-)
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      why he's staying if not for the kids. Maybe he was late to clue into the fact that he screwed his political career even more than his mistress.

      If it's just for the kids, well, I give it five months.

      If I were his Argentinian girlfriend, this whole thing would have left a very bad taste in my mouth.

      •  I think he was willing to chuck his career (2+ / 0-)
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        He was done as governor soon anyway -- he's term-limited to two terms and he's over halfway through his second.  He and Jenny were aiming to get him into the White House, but then the Midlife Crisis Truck came and hit him with a bang.

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        by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:36:40 PM PDT

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      •  As I interpret it, (1+ / 0-)
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        he was actively-- though unconsciously --trying to destroy his career and marriage.  Why else would he take off like this in such a reckless way.  Freud famously said that all bungled actions are successful (i.e., expressions of one's true desires) and this is a textbook case of that thesis.  The noxious thing about Sanford is that he can't directly take responsibility for his unconscious desires, but instead let's his unconscious try to tell him that he's just a victim of bad circumstance.  That aside, it's not surprising that he wouldn't have sought a divorce in the first place given that he has four sons.  No doubt he couldn't face leaving those boys and was also motivated by a desire to keep his political career.

  •  Sorry but thinking you know whether a couple (20+ / 0-)

    should divorce better than they do, whether its a couple you know or its one you don't, is ridiculous.

    Repent. The end is extremely f*cking nigh.--28 days later

    by voroki on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 12:56:06 PM PDT

    •  +1 n/t (4+ / 0-)
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      The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it. ~ H.L. Mencken

      by Jay Elias on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:01:01 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, this is in answer to all the (7+ / 0-)

      "Why haven't they got a divorce yet?" speculation.

      Several folks think they will.  This is to show why they won't.  And their religious and political affiliations are a big part of this.

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:01:49 PM PDT

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      •  US Weekly or TMZ (3+ / 0-)
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        this belongs someplace else, along with the JonKate8 mess

        Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. ~ Naploeon Bonaparte

        by CParis on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:28:47 PM PDT

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        •  He's an important political figure (1+ / 0-)
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          Or was, until last week.

          So it does affect us.  (His going AWOL affected the people of his state.)

          Visit for Minnesota news as it happens.

          by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:34:24 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, but (3+ / 0-)
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            His going AWOL and spending taxpayer funds for personal trips IS the peoples' business.  Speculation about likelihood of divorce is gossip-like something we'd find on those sites.

            whether he divorces or not, his Presidential ambitions are toast now.

            Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. ~ Naploeon Bonaparte

            by CParis on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:52:21 PM PDT

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          •  I will guess yes on the divorce (2+ / 0-)
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            Jenny already has the brains and money and playing Tammy Wynette will do her no good.  I think we will not see her entering politics on her own behalf (given the ages of the children and such though the scorned wife role is one which elicits sympathy) but if she were to enter politics, even on the state level, Mark is an albatross.
            Bad enough his two really bizarre pressers over the affair but now it appears his mistress was two timing him with a younger man (who is now supposedly the Deep Throat for the emails)

            The only thing worse than having the Fundamentalists hate you in SC is to have them consider you a laughing stock. That is where Mark is currently.    

    •  I was hoping to find a comment like yours voroki (6+ / 0-)
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      Everyone's becoming a marriage counselor all of a sudden? It's none of anyone's business whether the Sanford's marriage ends or not. How does anyone know she was loyal to him and she didn't start messing around? How would anyone like it if people who never met you try to get into your bedroom? I swear, Michael Jackson dies and no one can leave him alone even after death and if that doesn't satisfy their lives, they need to be Joe and Jane Shrink and give marital advice to Jenny Sanford. There are times this country is just outright ugly.

      Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

      by tazz on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:34:57 PM PDT

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      •  He was on the short list for the 2012 GOP nom (2+ / 0-)
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        THAT's why it matters.

        He was already showing signs of cracking as governor -- the spates of long, unexplained AWOL absences, for one.  What if he'd managed to delay the blowup until after he got into the White House?

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        by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:38:52 PM PDT

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      •  And here's what a preacher has to say (0+ / 0-)

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        by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:39:39 PM PDT

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        •  I couldn't care less what a preacher says about (3+ / 0-)
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          someone's marriage or affair. It's none of his business either. As far as cheating is he was running for president, I don't care about John Edward's marriage and I hate the fact they both are airing their dirty laundry in public. Other people's relationships, including public persons are not my business. Sanford's toast alreay, who cares if he was a front runner for 2012, he isn't anymore.

          Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

          by tazz on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 02:16:08 PM PDT

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          •  He knows more than you do about Fundies (0+ / 0-)

            And why they're staying together.  

            The fact that you could write this last comment of yours shows that you didn't read the link I gave you, or you would know why there's a difference in the reasons for John and Elizabeth Edwards staying together and Mark and Jenny Sanford's staying together.  (And while Mark's career is probably done, Jenny's is just beginning.)

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            by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 02:36:54 PM PDT

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            •  Yanno, basically (4+ / 0-)
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              there is no reason to read any link.

              The internal workings of a couple, even when it is a public couple, and is coming apart under public scrutiny is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

              His actions or lack thereof as Governor, is the business of the People of South Carolina.  His personal affairs?  NONE at all.

              In the age of the internet every citizen is the constituent of every elected official. It is SO easy to make small dollar donations now.

              by pvlb on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 04:44:00 PM PDT

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      •  Or regardless of (0+ / 0-)

        whether or not she was messing around on him, how does anyone know they weren't miserable?  I confess I feel a bit of compassion for the guy while simultaneously loathing his sanctimony.  It's the same sad tale we heard with Larry Craig:  A gay man who was unable to openly, for whatever reason, acknowledge his identity and who hated himself and therefore spent his life attacking others who shared his desires.  Likewise with Sanford.  I wish these folks would get off their moral high horse and look in the mirror.  When I hear this story it sounds to me like he had a dead marriage but did not know how to escape it because of his own religious beliefs, his parental obligations, and his political ambitions.  His unconscious spoke the truth by leading him to act in a completely absurd way that couldn't fail to escape public attention.  Still a sad story though.  As Americans we need to become more French or European in our attitudes towards these things.

  •  Yuck. (9+ / 0-)

    I hope you're wrong, because that would make them not only hypocritical bigots, but totally fucking delusional, too.

    Because no way does that corrupt nutbag ever rebound from this.

    One word needs to be tattooed to this man wherever he goes - if he tries to go anywhere - in politics, for now and for all time:

    A W O L

    Yes, it's not really a word, but who's quibbling? You? I see you, over there, quibbling. Hush. For our purposes, it's a word. AWOL.

    When you think Mark Sanford, think "AWOL."

    •  He's not going to rebound, ever. He's done. (5+ / 0-)

      Remember, he's term-limited as governor and in his last term anyway.  He and Jenny were hoping that he'd make the jump to president.

      He can't, but now she can, in the manner of Hillary.

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:03:36 PM PDT

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      •  Does she have any qualifications? (3+ / 0-)
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        I mean, other than enabling a liar and cheat to get away with dereliction of duty?

        Other than being a lying hypocritical bigot herself?

        Because, let's remember, she knew about the affair. She sent him on his merry philandering way, and while she may not have technically known where he was, she had a pretty fair idea when she told the press, "I have no idea where he is." And while we aren't going to polygraph the little lady, I think we can agree, in this case, "I have no idea" was a blatant lie.

        So... political aspirations for THAT lying hypocritical bigot seem pretty well shot to shit, too.

        Not to mention, Hillary's stellar intellect and political acumen made people overlook the fact that she overlooked Bill's philandering. This woman has yet to prove diddlysquat about herself other than that she can turn a real good sanctimonious Jesusy phrase about marital vows and make herself out to be the good little victimy housefrau while skewering her husband... whom she was enabling and for whom she was covering up publicly the entire time he was cheating (at least, after she discovered his infidelity - and the reason we forgave Hillary's being duped was, again, her stellar mind and abilities; this woman as a dupe seems just a dope).

        And, again... a lying hypocritcal bigot.

        •  She was on Wall Street so (4+ / 0-)
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          she had at least the smarts to get there.  And she ran the political campaigns of someone who seems not exactly heavy in the personality department; that would indicate political savvy.

          Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

          by conlakappa on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:22:14 PM PDT

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        •  I think that's a little harsh. (2+ / 0-)
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          Cheatees cover for cheaters -- whether or not they're in public life -- for a lot of reasons, including avoiding humiliation, wanting to preserve some privacy in which to work things out and make decisions, concern for the children, etc.  

          I'm not saying I want Jenny Sanford to run for public office, or that she'd do any good if she were elected to one.  But please, let's not pillory her for his sins.  He lied.  He cheated.  He behaved like a selfish, irresponsible adolescent.  She?  Tried to maintain some dignity.  Yes, it was a lie, but she was in a horrible situation not of her own making.

          •  So, (0+ / 0-)

            you think she didn't agree with any of the hypocritical things he said during all the years he was in office? Or she did and does agree with them - the family values bullshit, the Christian people are better, gay people will ruin marriage - and is simply now saddled with a man who's making HER look bad but that her values are still intact and SHE'S not tainted with hypocrisy, even though she lied and covered up for him?

            Because I'm not buying. She sold his line of crap all along the way, and would have continued to do so all the way to the White House if he hadn't been exposed as the lying hypocritical cheating bigot he is.

            The only thing she isn't is a cheat.

            That we know.

        •  here is her official bio (0+ / 0-)

          Come to think of it, what qualifications does any fledgling politician have?

    •  And yes, he rates impeaching for being AWOL (6+ / 0-)

      Although to judge from how horribly he ran SC when he was around, his being AWOL may well have been a good thing.

      Visit for Minnesota news as it happens.

      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:04:37 PM PDT

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  •  There are only two experts (8+ / 0-)

    on the Sanfords' relationship.  Gov. and Mrs. Sanford.  I think we start looking a little silly, cynical and  busybody when we try to analyze their relationship and pronounce and predict whether they should or should not stay together.

    We confused "Yes We Can" with "Yes We Will."

    by rf7777 on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:01:56 PM PDT

    •  Too late (1+ / 0-)
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      As several diaries before this one have shown, the speculation is already happening.

      Look at their life histories, and their religio-political allegiances.  They won't get divorced -- the people who helped get them into the governor's mansion won't allow it.  Go look up "C Street" and "The Family" on Google.

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:06:40 PM PDT

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      •  I hope they (0+ / 0-)

        get divorced for both their sakes.  Clearly he is unhappy and she is shamed.  Both of them would lose any respect they have in my book if they stay together and it would be clear that the reasons are purely political.  The only redeeming thing about Sanford is the letters to his lovers, indicative of genuine tenderness and struggle.

  •  I don't think we should... (7+ / 0-)

    ... engage in this kind of speculation about their personal life, especially as it brings his wife and kids--innocent victims--into it.

    I'm all about rubbing the Fundies' noses in their own hypocrisy, but this strikes me as just gossip, and none of our business.


  •  The right wing could hardly wait to pile on (9+ / 0-)

    Hillary Clinton for not divorcing Bill over Monica.  Never occurred to them that maybe the Clintons knew best how to conduct the post-affair aftermath, or that there might be defensible reasons why they'd want to keep their family together.  

    Sanford is despicable, but I'm not about to tell his wife what she should do.  

    Randall Terry is an accomplice to murder.

    by dotalbon on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:04:44 PM PDT

  •  I don't give a damn what they do (5+ / 0-)

    Just as long as this asshole gets kicked to the political curb.

    respice adspice prospice

    by Steven Payne on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:12:06 PM PDT

    •  Oh, he is. He's Dead Man Walking politically. (3+ / 0-)
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      And a very good thing, too.  Not just because he's a hyperconservative hypocritical jerk, but because he can't devote his mind to business.  

      Thing is, the presidency was his last stop in his career path:  He's limited to two terms as governor and he's in his second term already.  That might be what keeps the SC leg from impeaching him -- the fact that he'll soon be gone.

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:20:05 PM PDT

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  •  I'm not sure (6+ / 0-)

    I think she is deeply angry and humiliated and will really make him grovel to save their marriage (not that I blame her).  In the meantime he'll be thinking of the gorgeous, understanding Argentinian.....the romance of Buenos Aires....the hot sex.....and his career is shot anyway.....Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a divorce.

    minx 1952. You do the math.

    by chicago minx on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:13:20 PM PDT

    •  Depends on how much he'll miss his kids. (3+ / 1-)
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      That's the one thing keeping him in the marriage, I reckon.  Really, there's no other reason for him to stay -- he's probably going to be impeached, possibly removed, and may even face jail time if he sticks around.  Plus, he has an ice-cold marital situation (one largely of his own making).  The only things I see keeping him Stateside are his boys.

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:17:40 PM PDT

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      •  Yeah, after I wrote that I thought of his boys (1+ / 0-)
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        They are still fairly young.

        minx 1952. You do the math.

        by chicago minx on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:19:50 PM PDT

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      •  his boys & (0+ / 0-)

        jenny's $$$$$

        Liberal/Blades 2016
        The hippies had it right all's about time...the culture as a whole sent out a big, wet, hemp-covered apology.MMorford

        by RiaD on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:48:50 PM PDT

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      •  Shared custodial time (0+ / 0-)

        I don't know what they call it in South Carolina, but as long as he's on the same planet, and doesn't screw up really really badly, a divorced father will see his kids.

        I suspect Ms. Argentina won't keep him around after this, so moving to Buenos Aires is his fantasy. Other than that, I expect there will be a divorce, and an amicable shared custody arrangement, and Jenny will get to keep her own money. And he'll get a nice job consulting for some Republican think-tank -- they take care of their own.

    •  And wouldn't it be amusing (4+ / 0-)
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      if he's divorced and Miss Argentina reconciles with her husband.  

      "Not the truth in whose possession any man is, or thinks he is, but the honest effort he has made to find out the truth, is what consitutes the worth of man."

      by Lying eyes on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:26:07 PM PDT

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    •  And there should be a divorce (0+ / 0-)

      for both their sakes.  Clearly he didn't want to be with her and was, unconsciously at least, willing to blow up his career over the Argentinian woman.  She's been shamed and humiliated.  I think it's bizarre to suggest that they should try to work things out or save their marriage.  No doubt they should have ended it long ago.

  •  I think she'll be akin to Marianne (2+ / 0-)
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    Gingrich, who was very public about her wounded-spouse status, complete with support of her fellow GOP Congressional wives.  Haven't heard about her since then.

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    by conlakappa on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:18:49 PM PDT

    •  She has much more $ than Marianne (3+ / 0-)
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      And also different interests.  

      She was the driving force behind her husband's political career, the classic case of a conservative Fundie woman sublimating her own ambitions by putting them in the service of her husband.  (Or, to put it more crudely, she was domming from the bottom, in every way but sexually.)

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:23:13 PM PDT

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      •  I know the circumstances are different, I'm (1+ / 0-)
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        referring more to outcomes.  And her fundie-ism is not something I believe.  It was thrown out there so quickly that I think commentator's neck hurt.  I think she's as cynical as he or any of the other Christianist politicians.

        Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

        by conlakappa on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:28:06 PM PDT

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  •  I completely agree with your (2+ / 0-)
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    line of reasoning, but you are going to lose lots of folks around here with this:

    Plus, there's a Bill/Hillary Clinton dynamic here:  His career may be done, but she can use the sympathy generated by her position as Grossly Wronged Wife to get first a spot on Capitol Hill

    I think there's also the dynamic of using the religious Right... They'll stay together and praise each other for having supreme family values. Sort of like how Palin obviously pressured her daughter to announce marriage to the dude that knocked her up.

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    by jamesia on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:22:18 PM PDT

    •  It's an inconvenient truth (4+ / 0-)
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      Hillary got her political foot in the door in part through people disgusted by the witchhunt against her husband, but also because a lot of people felt that she deserved something for having put up with her husband's tomcatting for so many years.  (And really, Bill and Hillary did have a deal:  First they would work to push his political career, then they'd work to push hers.)

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:26:21 PM PDT

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      •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

        Who knew Hillary before Bill? I just hate that it seems like anyone who says that is tarnishing her because she's a woman. I'd say the same thing if it was Bill running off Hillary's popularity, though I doubt she'd be the one getting sexual favors in the Oval Office :)

        I'm just pre-nauseated thinking about the circle jerk coming from the Right about their remarkably wonderful values.

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        by jamesia on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:43:53 PM PDT

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  •  dunno about SC fundies (4+ / 0-)
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    but the ones up here aren't too thrilled about Women Who Were Wronged™ either. They are usually blamed for allowing the man to stray from her bed and from the teachings of the church. The man who did the cheating isn't absolved by any means, but the woman is quite often the one blamed. My ma had to live through that.

    Fundies are so strange. I just don't understand the mindset.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:26:38 PM PDT

  •  WH ambitions? I take her at her word: (2+ / 0-)
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    His career is no concern of mine.

    Oddly, a sentiment I've come to share.

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    by Crashing Vor on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 01:40:32 PM PDT

  •  I don't know ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... she's part of the whole Quiverful movement, which means if she stays married she should be having babies for a few more years. So either she can't have a political career because only a cold-hearted witch would haul her newborn baby around (see Palin, S.) or she's out with the movement because she crossed her legs. Either way, I don't think she has enough money to buy herself a future unless she becomes, perhaps, a born-again Democrat. ("I've seen the corruption and was disgusted by it ... I want to help change the direction of our state and our nation ...")

    As for the Gov, stick a fork in him. As I heard on cable (maybe Margaret Carlson?) the ad writes itself. The phone rings at 3 a.m. in the White House. Can we be sure Mark Sanford would be there to answer it?

  •  A Sanford political future (0+ / 0-)

    One of my comments in one of the numerous threads about this opined that if we ever saw the Sanford name in politics again, it would be her and not him.

    "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

    by Catte Nappe on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 02:52:56 PM PDT

  •  These SELFISH, Despicable Toadies of (0+ / 0-)

    the fascists ...

    I hope she stays front and center.

    She's taking up space of someone who is less obviously flawed, hence, potentially more effective in advancing the centuries old war of the aristocrats on us working stiffs.

    I must a missed the bible classes where we-the-peee-ons exist to be asswipes, doormats, boot lickers, ass kissers and nose wipes to the top 1/2%.


    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 03:19:02 PM PDT

  •  When did he stop loving Jenny? (0+ / 0-)

    Was it after their first son was born?

    Or their second son?

    Was it their third son?

    Oh it had to be their fourth son.

    Of course.

    Doesn't everyone?

    The lesson of that history is that you must not despair, that if you are right, and you persist, things will change. -Howard Zinn

    by skywriter on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 03:27:32 PM PDT

  •  The Real Issue is "C Street" (0+ / 0-)

    According to that article the house is worth $1.84 million but five Congressmen live there and pay only $600 a month to live there. For a house worth $1.84 the $3000 a month that those Five Congressmen pay does not even come close to paying the total operating costs for the house. There is something really suspicious about that arrangement.

    The questions that I would like to ask is who is footing the expenses for 133 C Street SE. I would also like to know where whoever is funding the house's expenses is getting the money to pay for it. Something about that doesn't seem right.

    And I wonder what Coburn, Ensign, and others who have used/lived that house have done there. I don't want to think the worse, but part of me thinks that they could be using the House as a brothel. That is, why go to a motel and deal with receipts when they can cheat on their wives with other women (or men)?

    •  To learn about The Family/C Street, (1+ / 0-)
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      Read what Jeff Sharlet has been writing for several years, at Harper's, and his book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power.

      Jesus Plus Nothing

    •  read Jeff sharlett's book; house is not a brothel (1+ / 0-)
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      but support for right wing narcissitic "Biblically inspired" politicians. Note Sanford comparing himself to King David (his reason why he won't resign). imo that comes from the C street Bible study group, that they are all supposed to emulate King David whom they view as some kind of Biblical John Galt.  brothel would be relatively harmless to the public good and to the rest of us - their "Family" goals are not.

      •  In his interview with Lindsay Beyerstein there's (1+ / 0-)
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        this, re: King David:

        Lindsay Beyerstein: The Family has some strange ideas about what it means to be chosen by God. Tell me about the incident in the book when Doug Coe's son, David Coe, dropped by Ivanwald to give the brothers instruction on chosenness.

        Jeff Sharlet: David Coe used to be the heir apparent in the Family. He's still involved in ministry to congressmen, and at the time he was also meeting with Hillary. He'd come around to talk to the young guys at Ivanwald to talk about his vision of Biblical leadership. One day he says to brother Beau: "Suppose I heard you'd raped three little girls, what would I think of you?" Beau, being a human being, says, "That I'm pretty bad?" But David Coe says: "No, no, I wouldn't. Because you're chosen … like King David."

        This is what Sanford meant: He's 'chosen' by God The Family, so he can get away with anything, and thus needn't resign, much less feel shame.

  •  "I'll be back when you stop letting jerks push (0+ / 0-)

    ... you around"

    The DKos community met your conditions?

  •  Who is ANYone outside (1+ / 0-)
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    that marriage to say

    They Should


    Regardless of the public nature of this private debacle, that is SO not any fuckin' buddy's business, aside from the the two Sanfords who comprise the marital unit.

    In the age of the internet every citizen is the constituent of every elected official. It is SO easy to make small dollar donations now.

    by pvlb on Sat Jun 27, 2009 at 04:39:44 PM PDT

  •  Mrs. S's definition (0+ / 0-)

    I thought it interesting that Mrs. Sanford chose to offer a definition of marriage in her press statement:

    I believe enduring love is primarily a commitment and an act of will, and for a marriage to be successful, that commitment must be reciprocal. I believe Mark has earned a chance to resurrect our marriage.

    Seems pretty clear sighted, but maybe love has to be a little blind if it's going to work.

  •  Sensitive Sanford (0+ / 0-)

    Mark Sanford is clearly a sensitive man. He's taking the death of Farrah Fawcett very hard.


    Mike Licht Washington, DC

    by Mike Licht on Sun Jun 28, 2009 at 03:41:39 PM PDT

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