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Labor organizer Mary Harris "Mother" Jones led the "March of the Mill Children" over 100 miles from Philadelphia to Pres. Theodore Roosevelt's Long Island summer home in Oyster Bay, New York, to publicize the harsh conditions of child labor and to demand a 55-hour work week. It is during this march, on about the 24th, she delivered her famed "The Wail of the Children" speech. Roosevelt refused to see them.

The Autobiography of Mother Jones

In the spring of 1903 I went to Kensington, Pennsylvania, where seventy-five thousand textile workers were on strike. Of this number at least ten thousand were little children. The workers were striking for more pay and shorter hours.......

The Wail of the Children This article originally appeared in Mother Jones Speaks, ed. Philip S. Foner, Monad, 1 983

Mary Harris (Mother) Jones - Union Activist

We want President Roosevelt to hear the wail of the children who never have a chance to go to school but work 11 and 12 hours a day in the textile mills of Pennsylvania; who weave the carpets that he and you walk upon; and the lace curtains in your windows, and the clothes of the people. 50 years ago there was a cry against slavery and men gave up their lives to stop the selling of black children on the block. Today the white child is sold for two dollars a week to the manufacturers. 50 years ago the black babies were sold COD4. Today the white baby is sold on the installment plan.

   In Georgia where children work day and night in the cotton mills they have just passed a bill to protect song birds. What about the little children from whom all song is gone?

   I shall ask the President in the name of the aching hearts of these little ones that he emancipate them from slavery. I will tell the president that the prosperity he boasts of is the prosperity of the rich wrung from the poor and helpless.'

A Few Quotes of  "Mother" Mary Jones:

*** Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living.

*** My address is like my shoes. It travels with me. I abide where there is a fight against wrong.

*** The employment of children is doing more to fill prisons, insane asylums, almshouses, reformatories, slums, and gin shops than all the efforts of reformers are doing to improve society.

*** I asked a man in prison once how he happened to be there and he said he had stolen a pair of shoes. I told him if he had stolen a railroad he would be a United States Senator.

We need to get back to the idea of a real capitalist society, where all share in the wealth of their labor and investments! We need more "Mother" and "Father" Jones to step forward and rebuild what we once had started and carry that forward, not allowing it to be destroyed again!!

Those who came before fought to hard and we've let that disappear, and yet we think we're more educated!!

Originally posted to jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 05:23 AM PDT.

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    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 05:23:26 AM PDT

  •  You know, when my children were growing up, (59+ / 0-)

    I noticed that their history texts gave a lot of space to all sorts of groups -- blacks, women, native americans, immigrants -- in ways that my texts never did and that's a very good thing.  But labor history didn't get the same attention -- a few mentions here and there (Triangle Shirtwaist, Social Security) but no real treatment.

    It's really the hidden part of American history these days.  The elevation of capital.  

    Thanks for shedding some light.

    "With all the wit of a stunned trout, prodigal stumbled clumsily into the midst of a discussion . . . " -- droogie6655321

    by prodigal on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 05:31:53 AM PDT

  •  I Am Always Stunned By How Cool History Is (26+ / 0-)

    yet if my memory serves me correctly by texts in school made history seem very uncool. I mean Wikipedia entries are more interesting. I find that sad on several different levels!

    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

    by webranding on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 06:29:09 AM PDT

  •  Outstanding again Jim (18+ / 0-)

    A snippet of history that many will see here for the first time.  Also, many are familiar with the magazine Mother Jones, but have no idea who or what she was.  Good work, tipped and rec'd.  

    It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. - Ansel Adams

    by Otteray Scribe on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 06:40:58 AM PDT

  •  When RayGun won '80, part of me felt we pee-ons (11+ / 0-)

    deserved what that fascist fuck and his minions would do.

    as individuals, you MUST do more than know who the performers are at Michael Jackson's memorial, and who are the top 5 on American Idol, and who won Survivor 3239484.

    At some point in your life, you can either take ownership for attempting to learn about the world around you, and how it got here,

    OR

    you can continue to be a drooling on your bib f'king moron, at the mercy of the lie-du-jour.

    great diary - I did NOT know about this.

    protesting to get a 55 hour work week - to those of you who say I shouldn't use 'fascist' cuz ...

    fuck you.

    rmm.

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 06:42:14 AM PDT

    •  I am sparing of the use of the term (5+ / 0-)

      fascist as it does have specific meaning; so by distorting it and using it in this context when a fascist or protofascist party comes into power, we are at a loss to explain its differences with this phenomenon. We need to be able to explain the term fascist, both political and economic and gratuitous use of it makes things confusing. The recent movement of fascist parties (see Italy) into advocacy of corporatism with neoliberal economic agendas is a change that we need to be able to deal with and explain as it differs from the earlier corporatist, but economic protectionist and state interventionist model. Does that make sense?

      No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

      by NY brit expat on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:20:43 AM PDT

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      •  too complicated. fascists use gov't power to (3+ / 0-)
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        increase UNACCOUNABLE corporate manager power, and to protect that unaccountable corporate power.

        fascists need us peee-ons as asswipes, boot lickers, ass kissers, serfs, slaves, cannon fodder.

        fascists lie about what they're doing.

        I do NOT give a flying fuck about university definitions.

        1984 and The Prince work cuz the ideas are basic, and you don't have to be some grad school smarty pants to understand them (and ...um ... use them).

        since 1980 tens of millions of us, the bottom 80%+++, are working longer hours and worse hours for LESS housing security and LESS employment security and LESS income security and LESS retirement security and NO health care security,

        ALL from the DELIBERATE policies of the fascist fucks, AND

        the 'oops I did it again' sell outs from the piece of shit sell outs who are supposedly on our side.

        what is superior to 100 years ago, for the fascists, is that we're all not working on these massive factory / plantations, but, we're scattered in shopping mall to shopping mall - from sea to shining sea - so we don't even know who to blame.

        rmm.  

        Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

        by seabos84 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 09:04:29 AM PDT

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        •  Machiavelli died in 1527, fascism was not (3+ / 0-)
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          invented in Italy until the 20th century. Machiavelli was not discussing a fascist regime, states were not organised as national states at the time. In fact, Italy was divided into a series of city-states. Orwell was not necessarily discussing a fascist regime, although certainly a totalitarian one. Not all totalitarian regimes are fascist.

          What we are experiencing economically is consistent with any number of economic policy proposals under a capitalist economic system (of which fascism is but one) it primarily derives from deregulation of the economy, the destruction of the social welfare state, privitisation of government services, and tax laws favouring the wealthy). What is consistent with fascism is the corporatism and the links between corporations and government. However, there are differences with traditional fascism (which I noted above) primarily due to the lack of regulations on the capitalist system and the devolution of state functions to the corporations.

          While political policies of the last administration certainly bear a stronger relationship to those employed by fascist governments (e.g., nationalism, undermining of democracy institutions and the rule of law (rejection also of international law), and ideological control of the media, and the creation of thought-crimes), economically, fascism provided far more to the proles than the last government in the US did.

          Spare me the usual and extremely tedious anti-intellectualism. Knowledge is never the enemy, the more we have the better we can fight the proliferation of these ideas and mobilise people.

          No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

          by NY brit expat on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 09:45:39 AM PDT

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          •  and the intellectuals rallied the mob when? let's (2+ / 0-)
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            all get together every few months and read and discuss and chat, and that will pay the rent or mortgage, or put money in my hand to buy food, or pay for me to not work for 3 years while I get retrained outta my shitty career?

            there is anti-thinking, and there is anti-thumb twiddling. 'intellectuals' have plenty of group think in some of their pretend thinking, and their thumb-twiddling disquised as 'intellecutalism' - c'mon.

            1 outta a million of us is some kind of einstein, and then there are the tens of thousands of pretenders who don't want to get a real job, but, want einstein's job. Get a real job - fix something, make something work better. invent a meritocracy which rewards creating social good?

            we - you and I - both want the mob off their lard asses. what flag and what slogan do we rally under?

            I think you're definition misses that all shitty governments, whether they're enlisting the mob to go burn catholics or go burn heretics, or marching off to beat fascism or communism or whateverism -

            they all end up with the mob marching off to slaughter another mob, and, by the way, get a bit of slaughter dumped on their own asses. The slaughter benefits a ruling clique, whether it is a little city-state or a state straddling a continent.

            The difference in the name of these shitty governments is interesting. The Inquisitors were motivated differently than the Maoists or the Stalinists or Hitler's boys or Mussolini's boys. However, IF YOU have a boot stamping on your face, do you really give a fuck what the name of the oppressive philosophy is? Don't you care about not loosing your teeth?

            'FASCIST' brings to mind horrible governments shitting on their citizens and on other citizens so that some pigs at the top can live great, by the standards of people who like to live like pigs at the top. Are we close, today, to what hitler or mussolini did? not yet. Could we turn into an Oceania at war with Eurasia or Eastasia ... yup.

            There are plenty of other shorthands for shitty government which apply at 25,000 feet. Our current power hungry selfish pig shitheads aren't maoists or stalinists or nazis or huegenots or inquisitors ... so what.

            I think 'fascist' is a perfect shorthand for shitty government, and, at 25,000 feet, it applies. Come up with a shorthand which is more precise and which gets people off their asses, I'll use it.

            rmm.  

            Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

            by seabos84 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:16:50 AM PDT

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            •  Well to answer your first question, intellectuals (3+ / 0-)
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              created the first and second bourgeois democratic revolutions (US and France), the cooperativist movement in the UK included both intellectuals and workers, moving forward we can look to Louis Blanc (1848 in France), Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels, Rosa Luxembourg, Emma Goldman, the leaders of the Russian revolution (Lenin, Trotsky, Bukharin, Zinoviev were all intellectuals and activists), Antonio Gramsci in Italy, intellectuals led and fought against fascism in Spain and Italy, preachers and intellectuals led the civil rights movement in the US and were responsible for the creation of nationalist and progressive movements all over the 3rd world against colonialism and imperialism. Moving ahead a few years, students led the anti-war movement, intellectuals led the fight-back against Apartheid (both in south africa and internationally). There are many more struggles. We work together and fight together.

              The reason we need to distinguish between things is that different policies and approaches are more appropriate for different situations; our responses will differ dependent upon the situation.

              We don't need a one word description and sometimes a single word cannot describe a situation. Honestly, knowing who is stamping on your face gives a better basis for organisation and understanding your enemy can help you defeat them.

              No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

              by NY brit expat on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:36:50 AM PDT

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              •  ah - I grew up on welfare. WHERE is the $$? (0+ / 0-)

                way back when this thread started, I mentioned how in 1980 I felt that people dumb enough to keep their heads up their asses deserved the kicks.

                since before 1980 I've wondered, not only what will get people in the streets - that was fun when I was 8 or 9 in '68 or '69 - BUT how are we going to fundementally change on things work so we don't need to go into the streets?

                Of course, given that, relatively speaking, no one is in the streets for anything, maybe I should just worry about where I can buy the DVD of the Michael Jackson memorial.

                I think people need personal pain to get off their asses ??

                the mass movements you cite - sure there were intellectuals and leaders --- BUT, there were hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands ... who were FED UP and had so few choices that going in the street and throwing bricks seemed like ... not a bad idea.

                You get to that point cuz you're f'ing starving, and you're sick of workign 12 hours a day 6 or 7 days a week, and you're sick of seeing your family members ground into the mud -- and, oh, by the way, along comes some 'intellectual' with honey words or fiery words and ... you 'follow' them. Then, maybe things change, maybe they don't, and hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands go back to worse squalor, the same squalor, or better squalor -- and the 'intellectual' gets feted at the salons.

                WTF are today's 'intellectuals' providing? More tomes telling us ... yawn ... that all the fascist lies are lies!

                Oh, and, BTW, buy my book and I'll autograph it before I jet off to greenwich village / berkeley / boston seattle austin for hte next book signing.

                I think people need personal pain to get off their asses ??

                rmm.

                Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

                by seabos84 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 01:43:30 PM PDT

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                •  You asked me when in history have intellectuals (0+ / 0-)

                  helped to achieve change ... I gave you a history of struggle advanced by ideas and action, I guess that you didn't like that. I have stated that we all need to work together; you have argued that what we need is spontaneous action. I ask you when has spontaneous action alone achieved lasting results? It may have enabled a short term gain or response, but for lasting change we need action backed by ideas.

                  Did Luddism stop the exploitation of labour and the replacement of labour by machines; no, it provided immediate satisfaction to destroy the thing eliminating your job but it was only when the working class starting fighting back in an organised fashion that reforms could be forced down the throats of those in power. You clearly are not interested in more than reform, yet you speak as though you actually want something more.

                  Now, you have responded by waving your class background as though it provides justification for your argument and as though I had argued that we need to be lead by the intelligensia and should wait for their lead. I hope that it has earned you immediate satisfaction and you have also enjoyed attacking me personally when you know nothing of me or my class background.  My roots are as a long-term political activist who has participated in both solidarity, anti-racist and peace movements. What I have learned though those years all actions require ends and a discussion of means (or tactics and strategies) to achieve those ends in order to be constructive and achieve change.

                  No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

                  by NY brit expat on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 04:41:55 PM PDT

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                  •  oh my god. I did not parse every period and (0+ / 0-)

                    phrase, and, you've taken my writing to task.

                    You've taken paths I wouldn't have thought of, but, with my sloppy writing you can surely PROVE I implied those paths.

                    I do know that had I been more precise and more deliberate, our paragraphs of erudition would have blathered onto and into who knows where anyway.

                    I did forget some key points learned during sitting around the campfire with the assorted hippies in 1971 in the woods of MA.

                    AFTER we're all done with our social action and singing and chanting -
                    WHO is going to earn the money to get the food, or, who is going to spend the time growing and processing and preparing the food? Where are the dishes and utensils going to come from? Who is going to clean up after eating? What happens near the end of the summer when the woods get ripe from everyone shitting in the woods?

                    Aside from the fact that few are getting off their asses over the fascist degradations, adn even if they started to,

                    WHAT are we going to change, and HOW are we going to change it so that we have lasting systemic change that can't be taken away by the next bunch of fascist fucks with names other than cheney, raygun, bush, rummy ...

                    Do I have contempt for the tens of thousands of faux intellectuals who aren't einsteins and who think they should be paid to ruminate, pontificate and eminate - hell ya.

                    How many of the intellectuals running around the seattles and bostons were or are involved with figuring out:

                    1. how to rally the troops in a sustainable manner (the 15 feb 2003 anti war demonstrations were great fun - WTF lasted? WTF did they stop? )
                    1. how to permenantly putting the haliburtons and enrons and exxons outta business,
                    1. how to ACTUALLY technologically replace oil and the scum bags living large outta the oil economy
                    1. ... anything useful?

                    not enough from what I've seen in my 30 years.

                    There are plenty of people with big degrees and big sentences and big tomes and big credentials and big paychecks ... YAWN.

                    and Where are we 40 years after 1969?

                    tip toeing around using 'fascist'? hard drives filled with grand studies about how the meanies are liars, thieves and meanies? waiting for the lower classes to genuflect in awe to our ivy betters?

                    maybe 1 great reason the masses ain't off their asses is cuz - the king is dead, long live the king? WHAT is really going to change by throwing bricks?

                    I find it interesting that we both use English, but, we obviously can't communicate.

                    rmm.

                    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

                    by seabos84 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 05:46:02 PM PDT

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  •  My Father's PHD Is In History (6+ / 0-)

    Civil War to be specific. As a kid my two week summer vacation was to tour Civil War battlefields. My parents like to joke I am the most photographed kid next to a cannon. Walking a battlefield with my dad, as he replayed the fight was pretty cool. Way cooler than the textbooks in school.

    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

    by webranding on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 06:50:04 AM PDT

  •  Labor history is given short shrift (15+ / 0-)

    Labor history of the South even more so.

    •  My father told me (2+ / 0-)
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      that when he was going to school in the 1950's that labor history was a required subject.
        By the time I was in school in the 1970's it wasn't even a choice.

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      by gjohnsit on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 11:31:43 AM PDT

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      •  In High School in SC (0+ / 0-)

        Our American History textbook had extensive labor history (about primarily urban unionization) but lacked discussion of the labor movement in the South -- in particular the 1938 textile strike.

        My conservative (idolized David Lawrence of US News and World Report) teacher never assigned those sections.

  •  At the risk of tooting my own horn (15+ / 0-)

    I did a story on Mother Jones and the Mill Childrens' March a couple of years ago. As part of the research for it, I read The Autobiography of Mother Jones. It's short, it's online, and the link points to the text of the book. Go read it. You'll be glad you did and wonder why we don't have more Mother Joneses in our midst.

    I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

    by Omir the Storyteller on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 06:54:13 AM PDT

    •  Thanks for the link (3+ / 0-)
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      I only read the first page (at work), but I think I can already answer your question about why there are no new Mothers Jones. The level of suffering that she and her compatriots lived through is no longer alive in our memories (though if you lived in the 9th Ward of New Orleans you might disagree and with good reason).

      I hope I'm wrong, but I think a steady diet of TV and cheap consumer goods have blinded us (the middle class folks with the time and wherewithal to post on DKos) to the impact of our neighbors' suffering. It would likely take a major meltdown to cause a general strike or mass demonstrations.

      •  I Hate To Say I Have To Agree (3+ / 0-)
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        I am attempting to think how to write this up, but I just got back from a six day vacation with a old college friend. A guy I had not seen in 18 years. He brought along a friend of his I had never met, a 20+ year UAW worker. Somebody that actually makes things with their hands. I have to admit, I don't know a lot of those people. Talking to him and asking questions was just stunning.

        I learned a lot of things talking to him, the first of which is he works at a union plant and for a Japanese  firm. I have to admit I wasn't aware there were any of those around. So I guess a plant can be union and still turn a profit!

        "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

        by webranding on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:40:28 AM PDT

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        •  My Dad was also UAW (2+ / 0-)
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          before he retired. Shop steward for awhile.  Unfortunately, he has since drunk deeply of the Christian Right Kool-Aid and no longer supports the Union.  Lots of reasons for this - not the least of which is the years of give-backs by the union which left his retirement far from secure.  

          •  I Have No Reason To Second Guess This Guy (2+ / 0-)
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            but I asked a lot of questions about his job (and the union in general) and he was very clear he is under contract. Push comes to shove and they lay him off (second shift was already laid off), they have to pay him what is left on the contract, which would be three years at this point. That seems like a pretty good deal to me.

            "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

            by webranding on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:13:40 AM PDT

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            •  I have to admit (1+ / 0-)
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              I don't know much about UAW policies anymore - Dad's been retired for 10 years or so.  I do know that the UAW paid for my braces and glasses as a kid and made it possible for my dad to support a family on a factory-worker's wages. I still support them, even if he doesn't.  

              •  My 93 Year Old Grandfather Was Union (2+ / 0-)
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                at a Snap-on plant. He put four kids, including my mom threw college. And my father, a 30 year military vet, likes to joke he wishes he had the health care my grandfather has. Now he worked his butt off, 40+ years, but his union took care of him.

                "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

                by webranding on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:22:25 AM PDT

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          •  My father was a union member -- IBEW (2+ / 0-)
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            I remember going out on the picket lines with him once when I was in grade school. He dressed me up in my PJs, put me in the back of the station wagon and took me along with him to picket the Hanford plant in eastern Washington. I don't remember much about what went on. Certainly nothing exciting happened like goons trying to drive truckloads of scabs through the gates. (I don't think I would have been there if he thought there'd be any danger.)

            Now I work in IT and we don't have unions, which is definitely a mixed "blessing." I'm employed and making decent money with good benefits at a time when many aren't, but if I get fired because the boss doesn't like the T-shirt I'm wearing today there's no recourse.

            I for one welcome our new Twitter overlords. @Omir55

            by Omir the Storyteller on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 09:34:11 AM PDT

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  •  uh? (9+ / 0-)

    "We need to get back to the idea of a real capitalist society, where all share in the wealth of their labor and investments!"

    that would be a real SOCIALIST society. which is a good thing. embrace it.

    fuck capitalism.

    It's called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. - G. Carlin

    by RabidNation on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:07:22 AM PDT

    •  agreed we never shared all the wealth of labour (5+ / 0-)

      investment although there was a period when increases of wages were commensurate with increases in productivity; to argue that we shared is a bit too much. Otherwise a very good diary, we need to remember the struggles of labour to actually get that proportional increase in wages commensurate with productivity and to ensure the passage of labour law and minimum wages that enabled us to get those gains. A more equitable division of wealth and income can be obtained under a regulated capitalism, it has been quite a while (I believe the 1970s) since this situation has existed.

      No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable (Adam Smith, 1776, I, p. 96).

      by NY brit expat on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:15:36 AM PDT

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  •  Jim: Good to see your talent (8+ / 0-)

    recognized by this community. Adding Recommended to your tags.

    Committing the crime of torture mandates punishment. Covering up a crime is a crime. That must stop NOW.

    by llbear on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:15:48 AM PDT

  •  Mother Jones (7+ / 0-)

    "Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the living."

    A motto to live by.

    If CEO's and their brethern have employment contracts, why do they insist that their employees don't need one?

    by JDPITALIA on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:25:13 AM PDT

  •  Jimstaro, edit your text boxes, (3+ / 0-)
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    they've pushed the rec button to the bottom of the comments section, and this puppy needs to be recco'd.  Nice work.

    When in doubt, tweak the freeqs.

    by wozzle on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:31:00 AM PDT

  •  Conservatives thought child labor was good idea (8+ / 0-)

    Over at NRO they probably still do.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:45:22 AM PDT

  •  We should ditch the descriptor 'capitalist' (4+ / 0-)

    It's an artifact of the Cold War. The question we need to ask ourselves is not whether our economy fits into some broad category (it's certainly not a free market now, as anyone familiar with the food "economy" or insurance knows) but whether it fits the needs of Americans.

    If the best solution for a given problem is an open market, create and defend an open market and refine it as necessary. If the best solution is a government program, create and defend a government program and refine it as necessary. If (and I suspect this is most common) the best solution is a combination of the two, create and defend that and refine it as necessary.

    Whether the economy is "capitalist" is fundamentally immaterial. What matters is whether it serves our citizens and the world.

    [F]or too many, the cruelty of our system is part of its appeal. - eightlivesleft

    by oldjohnbrown on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 07:46:45 AM PDT

    •  If We're (1+ / 0-)
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      Going to call it 'capitalist' and use the terms we tell our children, and have over these many may years, then we don't allow only the few to benefit to the extreme off the masses!!

      "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

      by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:06:38 AM PDT

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    •  But don't you know (4+ / 0-)
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      it's everyone's God-given right to become rich. All it takes is a 'vision,' and the grit and determination to make it happen. If you try to fix the 'free' market, you're only going to cause misery for everyone.

      Institutionalized graft is what is defended by Republicans and 'centrist' Democrats. Theft of the taxpayers for the benefit of corporations. This is at every level of government, especially locally. This is a large part of American 'capitalism,' which is really dysfunctional socialism that serves legal fictions rather than real people.

      Markets don't serve people, they serve the profit takers. Some one has to lose so profit taker can win. We can't find some middle road here. That approach has been tried (post-war US) and has failed ("What's good for GM is good for the country"). Greed and avarice are powerful forces. Right now they are more powerful than the calls for economic justice.

      My computer that I type this out on was more and likely exists because of child slave labor in central Africa. It was most likely fabricated in China or Mexico, and the volatile organic compounds (carcinogenic and mutagenic) used in the lithography of chip making were likely dumped into the nearest water source. The electricity that I use is dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. The income I generated working as an organizer paid taxes to help fund wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that have killed millions of people in the name of 'freedom' but really in the name of corporate profits. We are all complicit in this machine.

      In every cry of every man, In every infant's cry of fear, In every voice, in every ban, The mind-forged manacles I hear

      by Areopagitica on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:38:54 AM PDT

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  •  This fills an important gap (6+ / 0-)

    in public awareness of the origins of labor laws and worker rights that many now take for granted.  Good work!

  •  Thanks for a wonderful diary. (6+ / 0-)

    I have taken the liberty of adding a "teaching" Tag.

  •  “The Most Dangerous Woman in America” (11+ / 0-)

    That’s what Theodore Roosevelt called delimitative (five foot nothin’) Mary Harris Jones, aka Mother Jones.  For decades her white head could be found at every front line in the relentless open class war that ravaged America between the Great Railroad Strike of 1877 and the birth of the Congress of Industrial Organization (CIO) in the nation’s heavy industries during the Great Depression.  She was called the Miner’s Angel because her first loves were the brutalized workers in the coal fields and the United Mine Workers Union.  But she also showed up for Western hard rock miners and lent her hand to causes like the Pennsylvania textile workers.

    She was something of a free agent and a loose cannon.  No union bureaucracy could contain her.  The late Utah Philips noted that she "was an agitator, not an organizer."  She might not leave behind settled union locals with halls, dues, and membership files.  But when the struggle was the hottest, she was there to stoke the fire—and to put her venerable head in the very front lines.

    Fellow Worker Philips loved to sing a traditional union song first recited by one William M. Rodgers to the West Virginia Federation of Labor in the late Teens.  He may, or may not, have been the original author.  The song described a true incident in Mother Jones’s fabled career.  She was in bloody Colorado, scene of many pitched battles between John D. Rockefeller’s dreaded Coal and Iron Police and the Colorado National Guard, ever at the beck and call of the mine owners.  

    The Charge on Mother Jones

    The patriotic soldiers came marching down the pike,
    Prepared to shoot and slaughter in the Colorado strike;
    With whiskey in their bellies and vengeance in their souls,
    They prayed that God would help them shoot the miners full of holes.

    In front of these brave soldiers loomed a sight you seldom see:
    A white-haired rebel woman whose age was eighty-three.
    "Charge!" cried the valiant captain, in awful thunder tones,
    And the patriotic soldiers "CHARGED" and captured Mother Jones.

    'Tis great to be a soldier with a musket in your hand,
    Ready' for any bloody work the lords of earth command.
    'Tis great to shoot a miner and hear his dying groans
    But never was such glory as that "charge" on Mother Jones!

    For Phillip’s version and a great telling of the tale check out the cut The Most Dangerous Woman in America on his outstanding 2000 live album Making Speech Free.

    If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.--Mark Twain

    by pmurfin on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:07:36 AM PDT

  •  I Just Got Back (3+ / 0-)

    From the employment office, where I went to fill out a couple of applications, carpenter/construction, that were supposed to be there, they weren't because the jobs were pulled. Found out they were state infrastructure jobs that didn't get funded in the recent budget. They may pop back up later or not, so told by the Vet rep there. Had a long talk with him.

    Now this is North Carolina, who received stimulus money already, I only know of one job starting, and that's in Fayetteville, connected to the stimulus. I asked him about why these weren't funded, he didn't know.

    I only mention the above because I'm getting the feeling watching this state and others that the stimulus Isn't Going to funding of infrastructure, it's dumped into the general funds. I need to investigate this, but others may want to take a look see at their own state funding and the stimulus.

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:17:02 AM PDT

    •  Only problem with a job in Fayetteville... (4+ / 0-)

      is you would have to live in Fayetteville. I was born and raised there. We affectionately called it Fatalburg. My mom, from Bladenboro, was taken from third grade to work in the mill 12 hrs/daily, six days a week.
      thanks for the diary to remember what happened to children who had the misfortune to be born at the wrong time and the wrong place. No one remembers them anymore since that culture, the "mill hill," is gone with the wind. great diary! recommended.

      •  I'm (0+ / 0-)

        North of Charlotte, but would move to the Fayetteville area if anything opened up and was fairly long running, but even anything going on at the bases doesn't seem to be generating the needs of first nor big enough to expand employment, another thing I've been watching as to the stimulus and the DoD funding.

        "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

        by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:28:10 AM PDT

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      •  Another thing (1+ / 0-)
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        being in or near Charlotte and sitting in an almost freeze of work, Commercial and Residential, some things are going on, is frankly strange. This city has a ton of old money and even more new, the new coming to the natives who owned farms or land now developed, yet none of the money, and that goes for the whole country, is being spent by these individuals.

        They have the wealth but are doing nothing but sitting on it. I saw all this coming, though didn't think it would turn this bad, 2 years before it hit. The money started getting hoarded not spent.

        "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

        by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:37:05 AM PDT

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    •  I am afraid (1+ / 0-)
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      jimstaro

      it is happening in my state, Ky. The cupboard is pretty bare here. I'm trying to check it out.

      They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

      by imabluemerkin on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 09:29:55 AM PDT

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    •  Damn (3+ / 0-)
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      Powered Grace, cotterperson, dmhlt 66

      That's cool, didn't know we could do that with photobucket.

      "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

      by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:22:59 AM PDT

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      •  Just a note on Slideshows ... (2+ / 0-)

        Creating Slideshows in Photobucket is pretty straightforward.

        Emdedding it here at Kos is tricky, and involves a fair amount of HTML Code editing.

        I've shared the mechanics w/ about a half-dozen fellow Kossacks, so if you're ever interested just let me know, and I can email you the instructions.

        •  I Might Do That (1+ / 0-)
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          But not surprising there's some playing with to get them in. I like to try the playing, even though I haven't a clue, most of the time, with the codes, keeps me from needing to do picture puzzles to engage the mind, though that helped my Dad till he finally passed last year at 91. The body was giving out but his mind wasn't.

          "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

          by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:57:43 AM PDT

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        •  Perhaps you could write a diary (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          jimstaro, dmhlt 66

          providing the instructions.  

          •  Anything... to make downloads slower. (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            dmhlt 66

            Angry White Males + DSM IV Personality Disorder delusionals + sane Pro-Lifers =EQ= The Base

            by vets74 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:31:30 AM PDT

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            •  Not sure I understand the question. If you're (1+ / 0-)
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              jimstaro

              ... asking if you can slow down the playing of the slideshow, it depends on the format style selected in Photobucket.

              For this style (called "Show" in Photobucket), you can't.

              But for the one I use most often called "Fade" - you can.

              Simply hover your mouse over the slideshow itself, and "Reverse - Pause - Advance" buttons will then show up in the lower right corner that allow you to stop a show wherever you want.  But the speed of the show itself is set solely by Photobucket - I have no control over that.

              Give it a whirl:

          •  The problem with that is ... (1+ / 0-)
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            jimstaro

            Whenever you write HTML Code in a Diary/Comment, this site treats it as Code - and so tries to display what the HTML directs it to display - not just the line of written Code.

            The embedding of Slideshows, when you use the default Code from Photobucket, looks great in Preview - but when you try to Post it you get all these Error messages, like

            Your HTML has the following errors:
            Attribute style for tag embed is not allowed
            Attribute style for tag p is not allowed
            Attribute style for tag img is not allowed
            No closing tag found for opening tag <embed>"

            ... and so you cannot Post it.

            The FAQs say you can add a "\" in front of the Code line to make it display as just written HTML Code.  But not only does it not work for slideshows (you still get all the Error messages which prevents you from Posting it); but even if it did, IMO it could get confusing to people on whether the "\" is actually part of the Code, or just a negator.

            If you happen to know a work-around allowing one to be able to post actual HTML Code as written, I'd be glad to write up the steps on posting Slideshows from Photobucket.

    •  WOW - that's inspiring! n/t (4+ / 0-)
  •  We Have a New Generation (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson, Doodlespook, jessical

    Of experienced fighters, returned, returning, or hopefully will soon! They have another major battle on their hands, They Need To Get Heavily Involved In Re-Building The Workers Movement thus rebuilding our National Security, our destroyed national security, not only by causing extreme hatreds towards us but the destruction of an economy that everyone can benefit from and develops and produces our needs, through experienced trades people, working with hands and minds and not only minds!!

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 08:21:50 AM PDT

  •  Bout time people were reminded! (2+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro, jessical

    Thanks. Good job!

  •  But what WE do not understand is... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jimstaro

    that if our fathers, grandfathers and past relatives didn't fight for better wages, better hours, better working conditions, child labor laws, labor laws, and the scourge of big business, healthcare benefits, our benevolent senior executives wouldn't have to send our jobs overseas to China and other countries that do not have the same luxuries we want and probably don't deserve.  It is our own folly that we are in the situation that this country is in.
    I say we all channel our inner republicans and have our politicians repeal the labor laws so we can get jobs even if we have to donate millions of dollars to them to go against their beliefs that they are in Congress to protect the great unwashed.

    For all the freepers that read this comment and Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and the rest of Faux News, this is a snark.

    There are 2 types of people I do not trust:
    Those who never agree with me and those who always agree with me.

  •  Back in gradeschool early 70's (4+ / 0-)

    My mother got me a set of books called People who made America
    It opened my eyes to how poorly history is being taught.
    I became an avid reader at the local library
    and remember all the stories about the labor movement at the turn of the century in the mills and factories.
    Then I look at whats been happening the past 35 years and see it's all been for naught as the clothing industry has all but disappeared as they moved to child sweatshops overseas, other industries moving out as well.

    •  We Once Had (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Bluerall

      Tradespersons of a wide variety, that worked with hands and minds, developing and improving on, as well as inventing, that which built this country and economy, Their Dead or Dying, and few could pick up their tools and do that work if ever needed, and that need is coming!!

      If we don't have the Real Talent, and all we do is service, we don't have the needs of a Nation's Security, we have to depend on others for even our basic needs let alone luxury and all that between!

      "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

      by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 09:21:24 AM PDT

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  •  most of America has forgotten (7+ / 0-)

    the enormous benefits for all workers that were hard fought and won by unions around the world.

    I wonder if all the conservatives who enjoy 8 hour workdays, overtime pay, work safety regulations, and paid vacations know who fought for those qualities of life they all enjoy.

    -7.88/-4.41 "The blood sucking aristocracy stood aghast; terror stricken, they thought the day of retribution had come." - John Ferral, union leader

    by Interceptor7 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 09:19:57 AM PDT

    •  Highly doubtful (3+ / 0-)

      And even if they did, they would take it as their due with no thought for the people who suffered to bring all of that to pass.  

      I have to include myself in that assessment.  I won't cross a picket line, but that's the sum total of my contribution. After reading the diary and some of the links, I'm a bit ashamed of myself.

      Maybe this will be the motivation for me to wake up and stand up. Maybe.

    •  They don't know unless it's on Fox. (2+ / 0-)
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      And I don't think it's on Fox.  I can't be sure, though, because I don't have a very strong stomach for that particular channel.  I can watch for about 30 seconds before I hear a statement so mendacious that I have to change the channel to preserve my health.

      "...we all of us, grave or light, get our thoughts entangled in metaphors, and act fatally on the strength of them."

      by beagledad on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 09:55:50 AM PDT

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    •  Add to that Mandatory Schooling for Children (3+ / 0-)
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      Before Mother Jones and her Pushing the labor movement, the poor were required to send their children off to work just to survive the mean streets of the Gilded Age. The idea of schooling was for the children of the priviledged.

    •  Ask Sam-the -contractor (2+ / 0-)
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      "Joe" claimed to be a plumber in Ohio. But never belonged to the union or went through an apprenticeship program. Yeah, we all know, not a plumber. But for one minute, I wanted him to just stop and actually think about what he was doing to the hard working men and women of the plumbers union or steamfitters union as he claimed to be a plumber.

      Unfortunately, there are a number of Republicans who have come from the union ranks (yeah, Sarah Palin among them as is Dick Cheney). But I don't think for one minute, they ever thought about what it took to be in that union, or how hard folks like Mother Jones fought, or any of those who died (like Joe Hill or Wesley Everest) along the way.

  •  here in california (3+ / 0-)
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    Bendygirl, jimstaro, vets74

    the governor is openly attacking unions and poor people and there is no mother jones to lead a march to his mansion in Los Angeles.  The tragedy of that absence!!!

  •  Not 40, 55 (2+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro, vets74

    and to demand a 55-hour work week

    The 1800's and turn of the century taught us all we need to know about pure free market capitalism.
    Anytime someone complains about people would be better off if the market was unfettered, you can point to it. (Or to more recent events).

    And note it was a 55 hour week they were working towards not a 40 hour week. Sometimes reform comes in increments.

  •  Mother Jones (3+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro, dsteffen, vets74

    not too many women in America like her anymore. Not too many people, for that matter.

    Portland's Love Makes a Family, CodePink and Seriously POd Grannies lost a wonderful human this week. Bonnie Tinker. She was hit and killed by a Mack Truck while riding her bike while visiting Virgina. She was 61. She fought like hell for the living.

    ((((Jim)))))

    "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

    by Damnit Janet on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:18:14 AM PDT

    •  Hi Jane (1+ / 0-)
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      Damnit Janet

      As you come in on a Very Sad note, Sorry to hear this, didn't know her but I'm sure she is what you describe and that's a Very Tragic way to go!!

      Thoughts and Prayers for her and you all!

      "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

      by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:29:51 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        jimstaro

        You're missing a "t' on Janet ;) Silly.

        Anyways, she was part of the Rocking Chair Brigade in Portland who sat in rockers outside of the recruiters office on Broadway. The same one that tried to enlist an autistic student.

        The Army was so threatened by a bunch of grandmas in rockers on a public sidewalk that they called the police each time and had to close up shop and run away. Finally they had them arrested. Which made the recruiters and Army of None look pathetic.

        "When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace." ~Jimi Hendrix

        by Damnit Janet on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:41:02 AM PDT

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        •  opps, blushing (0+ / 0-)

          But that's norm.;c}

          "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

          by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 11:18:53 AM PDT

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        •  Courageous Ladies!! (0+ / 0-)

          Now we have more military and the cheering masses seeing, Sadly, that we were Right All Along, and the Proof we said was there is even public, and much more!!

          They should have listened to us 'focus groups', now the Bloods on all our hands, as it continues!!

          "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

          by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 11:22:20 AM PDT

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  •  Well done, Jim. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jimstaro

    Angry White Males + DSM IV Personality Disorder delusionals + sane Pro-Lifers =EQ= The Base

    by vets74 on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:24:14 AM PDT

  •  FDR' Child Labor Law Overturned by Supreme Court (2+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro, dsteffen

    One of FDR's legislative victories was a Child Labor Law.  The US Supreme Court overturned it.

    JPZenger was a newspaper publisher whose jury trial in the 1730s for seditious libel helped establish the freedom to criticize top government officials.

    by JPZenger on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:25:24 AM PDT

  •  We Are Supposedly A Nation (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Damnit Janet

    of wealth and intelligence!

    We should have developed this Nation towards a point where Unions would never be needed, where everyone shares in the wealth, always a few to be found that may not want to work and we find them on both ends of the economic ladder, top and bottom, from those that actually produce to the companies and corporations and then the investors, with the flow of money constantly moving!

    But we've allowed ourselves to go backward and have helped to take down others on this planet, we may just completely crash, and if so those with will loose theirs extremely rapidly, as us at the bottom don't have a thing to give anymore!!

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:26:56 AM PDT

  •  Mother Jones monument (3+ / 0-)
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    JDPITALIA, jimstaro, pmurfin

    Union Miners' Cemetery, Mt. Olive, Illinois
     
     

     
     

    People with advantages are loath to believe that they just happen to be people with advantages. --C. Wright Mills

    by dsteffen on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 10:42:10 AM PDT

  •  in her honor (1+ / 0-)
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    jimstaro

    http://blog.aflcio.org/...

    this is a letter from Linda Sanchez that we can ask our Representatives to sign onto.  Guatemala is the second riskiest country in the world for union organizers who are routinely killed there.  Please check it out and contact your Rep today to support this letter.

  •  Baby Strikers (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    jimstaro

    Thanks for sharing this. I had never heard of it before.

     On a related note, please check out my diary here.
      It's also about child strikers.

    "The people have only as much liberty as they have the intelligence to want & the courage to take." - Emma Goldman

    by gjohnsit on Tue Jul 07, 2009 at 11:29:55 AM PDT

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