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Okay, so I consider myself a Christian. Not that big of a deal. As the folks at Street Prophets know, it's okay to have faith and be liberal. Occasionally the wife leaves the car tuned to KLTY, the self-proclaimed biggest Christian station in the U.S. After turning it on for one minute and hearing a commercial about health care, I was sad that I was going to have to make a choice.

The choice was, listen to a radio station that runs advertisements that ask people to go sign a petition to "keep the government out of health care", or follow my conscience about where matters of state and matters of faith lie. I'm choosing the latter.

Frank Reed, the affable host of the Family Friendly Morning Show, is the main speaker in the advertisement. The petition at this place pretty much speaks for itself, but there were some snippets from the radio advertisement that just drove. me. crazy.

First off, the comparison of government-run health care to the Postal Service. I don't know about you, but spending less than 50 cents to get a letter across the country is a pretty good deal. The Postal Service is NOT a government entity. It was created by the government, but it stands separate from the government in terms of funding. (If I have my facts wrong, feel free to point it out in the comments and I'll adjust.)

Secondly, the radio spot makes the claim that "some government employee will be making decisions about your health care". Now, pardon me if I'm naive, but even now with my insurance, there's some employee of an insurance company who's making decisions about my health care. They determine whether that CT scan my wife should have is "necessary". Tell me, how is this ANY DIFFERENT than a government employee? The only difference is in who winds up paying, and we all know the driving forces behind the petition.

Thirdly, why try to involve religion, even as facade-ridden as a religious radio station, into politics at all? It just pushes you closer to the edge of extremism, and I don't want that for me or my family.

So thanks for your pleasant Sunday morning worship music, KLTY. I'll miss it.

Originally posted to kjlopey on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:28 AM PDT.

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    •  Being a Christian (6+ / 0-)

      does not mean you have to listen to every jackass who claims to be a Christian but is first and foremost a right-winger.

      One can be both Christian and right-wing. One can be both Christian and left-wing. But one does not have to accept the political views of the other.

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:45:37 AM PDT

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    •  Outstanding diary. (2+ / 0-)
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      bushondrugs, Calfacon

      I hope the rescue rangers catch this one tonight.


      The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984

      by MinistryOfTruth on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 08:13:50 AM PDT

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    •  I hope you send this to them, or a (1+ / 0-)
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      letter describing your very valid objections. Why is a church advocating for any position other than healing the sick?

      Could someone please explain why having an employee of a for-profit insurance company get between me and my doctor is somehow preferable to an employee working for a not-for-profit government agency performing a similar function but without the profit motive?

      The Tyranny of the Minority - WHY did 60 become the new 51?

      by 1BQ on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 11:30:13 AM PDT

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  •  What does Conservatism have to do with (8+ / 0-)


    Honestly, I don't see the ties, not at all. I've never understood why people serving the Christian community feel the need to frequently talk like Conservative politicians.

    Aside from the occasional bone the political conservatives throw us about "faith" (a thing they obviously do not share when they're off gallivanting with mistresses), Conservatism isn't about what we're supposed to be about.

    Indeed, what conservative politician could ever campaign on the Beatitudes? They bring the hammer down on Huckabee when he even hints at any of that stuff, which is the cornerstone of Christian faith!

    Terminator Salvation was a terrible movie.

    by Bobs Telecaster on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:35:14 AM PDT

    •  If Jesus were to come back today, (1+ / 0-)
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      amk for obama

      it would be the right-wing Christians who crucified him again. Dirty fucking hippie!

      •  but history would not record it (3+ / 0-)
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        Neon Mama, jayjaybear, amk for obama

        Notice the Gospels' renditions of the Crucifixion.  As each Gospel's date becomes later and later, the blame is slowly shifted from the ruling Romans to the Jews. It is funny that those who insist on biblical inerrancy and the validity of the Bible as literal history, at the same time deny that contemporaneous politics also affected the content and POV of the Gospels.    

    •  the GOP wraps themselves in Christianity (3+ / 0-)

      the same way they wrap themselves in the flag. In the meantime, their patriotism and faith are that flexible sort which can mutate to cover every possible situation. The Gov Sanford incident is the most recent one where it appeared there was a good bit of Bible quoting by those involved but very little of actually living up to the Scriptures.

      Ironically, for those militant Christians who are so adamant about keeping government out of their lives, it appears their POV is more closely related to that of the Maccabees instead of Jesus, who evidently accepted Roman rule and acquiesced to Roman rule.      

    •  Beatitudes Issue No Instructn--What Follows Does (2+ / 0-)
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      bushondrugs, Calfacon

      The Sermon on the Mount following the Beatitudes is the biggest collection of direct behavioral instruction of Jesus.

      That's where he forbids praying in public, commands sharing, reconciliation and forgiveness.

      And still the literalists don't bat an eyelash over teaching the exact opposite from their proclaimed lord.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 08:56:29 AM PDT

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  •  You may want to inform the station. (12+ / 0-)

    Download a bunch of Gospel, choral, and other worship music and you'll be set for Sunday A.M.!

    Funny how healing the sick became un-Christian.

    "...this nation is more than the sum of its parts ..." Barack Obama-18 March,2008

    by Inventor on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:36:26 AM PDT

  •  interesting choice to compare it to the... (4+ / 0-)
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    MI Sooner, 1BQ, bushondrugs, MKSinSA

    post office because, like you said, the post office is funded by selling stamps not through taxes and because although there is a post office there is also fed ex, ups, etc. Public and private, existing together and offering Americans a choice.

    I hear the DMV comparison a lot too, and I can't figure out what people have against the DMV. We all have driver's licenses, we all got them at the DMV. I think the government does a good job of regulating over 100 million drivers and for a small cost.

    •  *nod* (2+ / 0-)
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      1BQ, bushondrugs

      Yeah, what the hell? Every couple of years you send in a form and a check and they mail you stickers for your plate. Every ten years or so you have your picture taken and your eyes checked for a license. How is this a big deal?

      Agreeing with the others here. I can send a letter to Wasilla or Los Angeles or even to any servicemember anywhere in the world for less than fifty cents, and it usually gets there pretty fast. This is their example of government waste? Seriously?

  •  to me there's no conflict. (6+ / 0-)

    Doing something about giving health care to everyone is about as Christian as you can get.  
    The Bible has more about Jesus's messages against social inequity as anything doesn't it?

  •  The people running these 'christian' radio shows (2+ / 0-)
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    MI Sooner, 1BQ

    are more about driving their own bottom line than doing anything that's really christian anyway.  
    Just as we're finding with the reality of the GOP and it's 'morality message' lots of these Christian mass media moguls have HUGE skeletons in their closet too.

  •  I stopped listening to WAVA (DC-area Xian talker) (1+ / 0-)
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    after hearing too many advertisements for MLM/pyramid schemes and 'Christian' sub-prime lenders. That, and the political talk for those who think Rush Limbaugh isn't conservative enough.

  •  Jesus gave free health care (4+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, 1BQ, MKSinSA, MinistryOfTruth

    So sez Bible.

    I'd propose my headline as a bumper sticker to promote single payer healthcare for all.

    Trouble is -- idiots could misconstrue that it advocates waiting for "miracle" rather than doing our job via "do unto others."

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 07:53:35 AM PDT

    •  No, I think people would understand (2+ / 0-)
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      1BQ, MKSinSA

      The implications of that bumper sticker would be quite clear.  

      "An open mind means searching for facts, not ignoring them in the interest of fairness."

      by Sun dog on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 08:03:06 AM PDT

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    •  So Do the Faith Healers, Exactly the Same Way (2+ / 0-)
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      Neon Mama, 1BQ

      You're supposed to get your free healing from your preacher.

      Otherwise, you damned well better not tax a fundamentalist Christian to pay for it.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 08:59:23 AM PDT

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  •  This seems like an ironic concern (2+ / 0-)
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    As the folks at Street Prophets know, it's okay to have faith and be liberal

    It's okay?  Personally, I've never been able to understand how anyone who claims to believe the teachings of Jesus is anything BUT liberal.  Has any Republican 'christian' read the Sermon on the Mount?  It seems deeply tragic to me that the title 'christian' has been so claimed by the right, to the point that someone who very obviously espouses christian values would sound almost apologetic about the fact.  

    "An open mind means searching for facts, not ignoring them in the interest of fairness."

    by Sun dog on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 08:01:18 AM PDT

    •  The standard reply is that such goodness is done (1+ / 0-)
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      out of private action and freely, with a loving heart. Doing so by (forced) government action is either ineffective or against FREEDUM!

      I would like to see the giving percentages of liberals and conservatives compared once donations to one's own church are taken out. (I've seen conservatives crow about giving more to charity than liberals.)

    •  However (1+ / 0-)
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      Tony Campolo wrote a book that covered questions of dogma entitled "Was Jesus a Republican or a Democrat?" Not surprisingly, Campolo's take was that Jesus was above political characterization. I tend to agree, simply because what we have as characterized by his life has been taken from the oral tradition and permuted to the written tradition. Even then, you have to get a better idea of the author, the audience, etc.--all standard literary criticism techniques that leave the "Jesus said it, I believe it" crowd mentally in the dust.

      •  Politics reflect values (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't give a hoot about the current 'fair and balanced' paradigm where we retreat to 'Who knows anything about anything' whenever we're faced with having to make a direct partisan statement.  I find the right wing goper 'christians' deeply offensive and I find the christian communities lack of willingness to take them on directly disappointing.  It's an example of why I choose not to belong to any organized religion again and I never will.  

        "An open mind means searching for facts, not ignoring them in the interest of fairness."

        by Sun dog on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 09:37:14 AM PDT

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  •  Some Xian congregations, and radio stations... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...serve God.

    Others serve mammon. Their ads are one good way to tell which.

    I'm the plowman in the valley - with my face full of mud

    by labradog on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 08:02:39 AM PDT

  •  Post Office vs. Public Entity Health Insurer (1+ / 0-)
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    I think that it is likely that the Public Entity Health Insurer that results from reform (assuming we get one) actually will be an autonomous economic entity similar to the Post Office.

    I'm not an expert on the Post Office, but I do know at least one reason that it has struggled to operate efficiently.

    The Post Office, unlike its private competitors is required to deliver mail to every resident of the country, even when it is grossly unprofitable to do so in very rural areas.  The major package delivery services are under no such restrictions.

    This would be similar to the "public" insurance companies that serve as last resort carriers for people who can't get insurance under the present system.  

    Numbers are like people . . . Torture them enough and they'll tell you anything.

    by Actuary4Change on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 09:13:25 AM PDT

  •  KLTY should chew those Republican talking points (2+ / 0-)
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    1BQ, MKSinSA

    rather than swallowing them whole.  Scaremongering is so "previous Administration".

    A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

    by bushondrugs on Mon Jul 13, 2009 at 09:43:10 AM PDT

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