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JROTC Wants to Invade Hundreds More Schools
JROTC, a high school program to militarize youth in high schools, has already invaded almost 3400 schools. Peacework Magazine has learned that Congress passed a little-noticed measure in the 2009 National Defense Authorization bill to expand the number of JROTC schools to 3700 schools by 2020. To do this, the military will have to open at least 45 new JROTC units per year (Some schools drop the program each year, most often because of low student participation rates. In 2006, for example, Santa Barbara high school dropped its JROTC program due to high costs and low participation rates. Veterans for Peace members helped create a Peace Academy in its place.)

Peacework has also obtained the list of targeted schools.
I've posted a part of the list below (the whole list doesn't fit), after summarizing arguments against JROTC. We need your help to foster nonviolent schools and nonviolent education.

(Sam Diener is the Co-Editor of Peacework Magazine, www.peaceworkmagazine.org and was the coordinator of the campaign against JROTC (Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps) expansion when on staff of the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors in the 1990s. A version of this blog entry was originally posted on the Peacework site, where the whole list is posted.)


(Updated with the information that the whole list doesn't fit here.)

Countering military recruitment is an important method of helping to end US wars, and of demilitarizing our society which acculturates us to future wars. Please help us identify activists who might help stop this expansion.

Peacework Has Obtained the List of Targeted Schools
To install these new units, the Pentagon first turns to a list of schools in which the Pentagon has convinced someone to fill out paperwork requesting a JROTC unit. JROTC officials call these waiting lists. We call them targeted schools. Peacework Magazine (Jesus Palafox from AFSC Chicago and Sam Diener in the Peacework office) obtained these lists from all four branches (via Freedom of Information Act requests and requests to Public Affairs) and compiled them into the list below. Quite soon we will also post a map illustrating the locations.

This additional attempt to further militarize the youth, schools, and culture of the US can be resisted and stopped, however.
Some of the background on JROTC below is from a previous article on AF JROTC expansion from Peacework Magazine, June, 2005.

JROTC: Costly, Discriminatory, Biased, Deadly
In the 1990s, during a previous round of JROTC expansion, activists worked to expose the realities of the JROTC program to community members and school officials. Because of community opposition, JROTC never opened in approximately 25-30 schools that had been on the military's target list.

Most communities that decided to reject planned units did so after learning that:
∑ Each unit costs school districts at least $50,000, with an average net cost of more than $76,000. Why should the public schools be subsidizing the military? (Please see Trading Books for Soldiers: The True Cost of JROTC, Peacework, October 2004.
∑ JROTC discriminates. JROTC instructors must meet current active military duty standards. Therefore, they can not be openly gay, bisexual, or lesbian. Honorably discharged disabled veterans are also ineligible*. The latter stricture violates every school district's employment non-discrimination policy and most teacher's union contracts. Also, according to a fact sheet distributed by AF JROTC Cadet Command in March, 2005, a student is only eligible for AF JROTC if they are "physically fit and citizens of the United States."** Thus, the program discriminates against students on the basis of disability and citizenship.
∑ A school district has no control over the JROTC curriculum, which is dictated by the national JROTC cadet command. JROTC classes don't count as academic classes for entry into California public colleges, for example.
∑ JROTC is an over-priced, underperforming alternative to physical education. Although typically JROTC recruits students into the program as an alternative to gym classes, in a San Diego study, JROTC students fell behind their peers in physical fitness. When San Francisco stopped offering physical education credit to JROTC classes, enrollment in the JROTC program abruptly fell from 1600 students to 500 students. Also, since a school with 100 JROTC students is required to hire two JROTC instructors (and add another JROTC instructor for each additional 50 students enrolled), JROTC is more costly than certified physical education teachers who teach far more students.
∑ JROTC curricula are inherently biased. A militaristic tone is consistent throughout. The textbooks imply that immigrants and national minorities have to prove their "American-ness" through participation in US wars. The Air Force JROTC textbooks imply that it is air power that wins US wars; the Navy implies that it's sea power, etc..
∑ There is no evidence to support the military's claim that JROTC prevents students from dropping out of school (and the fact that students entering are supposed to have a "C" average, and that half of all students who take JROTC leave the program the following year, tends to indicate the claim is most likely false.) Some of the most intensely pro-JROTC students say that JROTC is a place in the school that provides community. We need to build safe communities in schools without the militarization, discrimination, cost, and other drawbacks.
∑ The JROTC program makes a mockery of schools' weapon-free zones policies by bringing guns (especially in Army JROTC) and mock-guns into the schools (Students waged a year-and-a-half long successful campaign to bar JROTC rifle ranges in the San Diego schools (it's scheduled to take effect June 2009)). Please also see AFSC's analysis of how JROTC sends the wrong message about guns and violence.

A video of a JROTC air rifle range on Guam is embedded below:

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∑ There are numerous cases of JROTC-connected violence, including murders, gang-activities, and violent hazing. In June 2009, a student in a San Ysidro JROTC class was accused of exploding five bottle bombs on campus.
∑ The military's vaunted leadership skill training focuses instead on following orders.
∑ JROTC is more of a recruiting program than a leadership program. When testifying to Congress about JROTC on February 9, 2000, then Secretary of Defense William Cohen gushed, it's "one of the best recruiting devices that we could have." The regulations under which Army JROTC operates, for example, mandate that JROTC "should create favorable attitudes and impressions toward the Services." (Title 32 Code of Fed Regulations, Chapter V, section 542.5(c)).
∑ There are serious drawbacks, attested to by Veterans for Peace especially, of militarizing young minds.

Future protests might also raise questions about the appropriateness of high schools preparing military personnel for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The ACLU has concluded that JROTC violates the optional protocol of the Convention on the Rights of the Child, a treaty ratified by the US, which bars recruiting child soldiers (in pdf form). A Chicago Tribune article (December 17, 2004), reported that two graduates of the AF JROTC program at Brentwood High School who joined the military were killed in these wars. The Long Island, NY school is in a working class community where 62% of students live below the federal poverty line, more than 65% are Latino, and 23% are African-American. According to the Tribune, Principal Thomas O'Brien is now reconsidering the JROTC program at Brentwood. He reflected, "Certainly what's happened here gives you pause for thought: Are you placing your kids at risk?" (Since that article was written, according to the New York Times, two more Brentwood graduates have been killed in battle.)

Some communities might not have had any public discussion of the impending school invasions. In the past, activists in communities threatened by imminent JROTC units have raised a red flag with community organizations, gay rights groups, disability rights groups, peace groups, student councils, parent-teacher organizations, teachers' unions, and school boards in order to delay or stop the military training programs. Some activists have stressed the importance of delaying the start of such a controversial program for at least a year until the community can thoroughly investigate and discuss the pros and cons of JROTC.

For additional alternative information about JROTC, including fact sheets, analyses, case histories, and activist assistance, please contact the American Friends Service Committee Youth and Militarism Program, 215/241-7046; and Project YANO (Youth and Non-Military Opportunities), 760/634-3604). YANO’s website features a single page document summarizing points for JROTC opponents to make at school board meetings.

Please search the list below and contact activists and organizations in the targeted areas to warn them of the JROTC threat. If you'd like to volunteer to help foster counter-JROTC campaigns in your area, please contact AFSC at 215/241-7046.

* The JROTC regulations rule out instructors with disabilities, but apparently a waiver is available in some cases. Since this article was written, I learned about a JROTC instructor in Boston with a seriously injured arm who obtained a waiver.

** I have known students who were not citizens who participated in JROTC, apparently because the instructor decided to ignore the regulation.

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Schools Targeted for New JROTC Units, as of 2009-07-15
Sorted by state, city, and school, in tab delimited format for easy importation into spreadsheets, databases, tables, etc.

School    City    State        Zip    Branch
Barrow High School    Barrow    AK        Army
Barrow High School        Barrow    AK        Marines
Delta High School    Delta    AK        Army
Holy Family High    Birmingham    AL        Army
Carbon Hill High School    Carbon Hill    AL        Army
Columbia High School    Huntsville    AL        Marines
St Clair County Hs    Odenville    AL        Army
Russellville High School    Russellville    AL        Army
Saraland High School    Saraland    AL        Army
Hatton High School    Town Creek    AL        Army
Weaver High School    Weaver    AL        Army
Weaver High School    Weaver    AL    36277    Air Force
Hope High School    Arkansas    AR    71801    Navy
Gurdon High School    Gurdon    AR        Army
Heber Springs High School    Heber Springs    AR    72543    Navy
Hope High School    Hope    AR    71801    Air Force
Monticello High School    Monticello    AR        Army
Russellville High School    Russellville    AR        Army
Benson High School    Benson    AZ    85602    Air Force
Youngker High School        Buckeye    AZ        Marines
Youngker High School    Buckeye    AZ    85326    Navy
Santa Cruz Valley Unknown High Scho    Eloy    AZ        Marines
Window Rock High School       Fort Defiance    AZ        Marines
Ganado High School        Ganado    AZ        Marines
Desert Hills High School    Gilbert    AZ        Army
Estrella Foothills High School    Goodyear    AZ    85338    Air Force
Maricopa High School    Maricopa    AZ    85239    Air Force
Page High School        Page    AZ        Marines
Betty Fairfax Hs    Phoenix    AZ        Army
Canyon State Academy    Queen Creek    AZ    85242    Air Force
Rio Rico High School       Rio Rico    AZ        Marines
Rio Rico Hs    Rio Rico    AZ        Army
San Carlos High School    San Carlos    AZ        Army
Sanders Valley High School      Sanders    AZ        Marines
Salt River High School    Scottsdale    AZ        Army
Shonto Preparatory School       Shonto    AZ        Marines
Valley Vista High School    Surprise    AZ    85374    Air Force
Red Mesa High School    Teec Nos Pos    AZ    86514    Air Force
Red Mesa High School      Teec Nos. Pos.    AZ        Marines
Empire High School    Tucson    AZ    85747    Air Force
Empire High School       Tucson    AZ        Marines
Marana High School    Tucson    AZ    85743    Air Force
Cienega High School    Vail    AZ    85641    Navy
Empire High School    Vail    AZ    85641    Navy
Empire High School    Vail    AZ        Army
Carpe Diem Collegiate High School     Yuma    AZ        Marines
Banning High School    Banning    CA    92220    Navy
Brea Olinda High School    Brea    CA    92821    Air Force
California City High School    California City    CA    93505    Navy
Central Valley High School    Ceres    CA    95307    Navy
Central Valley Hs    Ceres    CA        Army
Centennial High School       Corona    CA        Marines
Central Union High School    El Centro    CA    92243    Navy
Clovis West High School    Fresno     CA    93720    Navy
Gardena High School    Gardena    CA    90248    Navy
Gardena High School    Gardena    CA        Army
Gilroy High School    Gilroy    CA    95020    Navy
Oak Hills Hs    Hesperia    CA        Army
Indio High School    Indio    CA        Army
Lathrop High School    Lathrop    CA        Army
Renaissance Career Academy    Long Beach    CA    90813    Navy
Mojave Senior High School    Mojave    CA    93501    Air Force
Murrieta Mesa High School    Murrieta    CA    92562    Navy
Ontario High School        Ontario    CA        Marines
Channel Islands High School      Oxnard    CA    93033    Navy
Palmdale High School    Palmdale    CA    93550    Navy
Citrus Hill High School    Perris    CA    92570    Navy
Quartz Hill High School    Quartz Hill    CA    93536    Navy
Norte Vista High School       Riverside    CA        Marines
Rosemont High School    Sacramento    CA    95827    Navy
Calaveras High School    San Andreas    CA    95249    Air Force
Public Safety Academy    San Bernardino    CA    92408    Navy
San Clemente High School    San Clemente    CA    92673    Navy
San Dimas High School    San Dimas    CA    91773    Navy
San Marcos High School    San Marcos    CA    92078    Navy
San Marcos High School    San Marcos    CA        Army
South Gate High School    South Gate    CA        Army
Ronald E. Mcnair High School    Stockton    CA        Army
Desert Mirage High School      Thermal    CA        Marines
La Sierra High  School    Visalia    CA    93292    Navy
River City High School    West Sacramento    CA    95691    Air Force
Doherty High School    Colorado Springs    CO        Army
Vista Ridge High School    Colorado Springs    CO        Army
Mlk Early Jr College    Denver    CO        Army
Fort Morgan High School    Fort Morgan    CO    80701    Navy
Fruita Monument Hs    Fruita    CO        Army
Skyview Academy Hs    Thornton    CO        Army
Skyview High School    Thornton    CO    80229    Air Force
Ridge View Academy    Watkins    CO        Army
Mckinley Tech High School    Washington    DC        Army
Options Public Charter Hs    Washington    DC        Army
Phelps High School    Washington    DC        Army
Appoquinimink High School    Middletown    DE    19709    Navy
Appoquinimink Hs    Odessa    DE        Army
Alexis I. Dupont High School    Wilmington    DE    19807    Air Force
Wekiva High School    Apopka    FL        Army
Nature Coast Technical High School    Brooksville    FL    34601    Navy
Island Coast High School    Cape Coral    FL        Army
Oasis High School    Cape Coral    FL        Army
East Ridge High School    Clermont    FL        Army
East Ridge High School    Clermont    FL    34711    Air Force
North Broward Preparatory Schools    Coconut Creek     FL    33073    Navy
Strawberry Crest High School    Dover    FL    33527    Navy
Strawberry Crest High School    Dover    FL    33527    Air Force
Strawberry Crest Hs    Dover     FL        Army
Gateway Charter High School    Fort Myers    FL        Army
Fort White High School    Fort White    FL    32038    Navy
Freeport High School    Freeport    FL    32578    Navy
Mater Academy Charter High    Hialeah Gardens    FL    33016    Navy
Hilliard Middle Senior High School    Hilliard    FL        Marines
Anclote Hs    Holiday    FL        Army
Hollywood High School    Hollywood    FL        Army
Keystone Heights High School    Keystone Heights    FL        Army
Keystone Heights Jr Sr High School    Keystone Heights    FL    32656    Navy
Liberty High School    Kissimmee    FL        Army
Tenoroc Hs    Lakeland    FL        Army
Sunlake High School    Land O Lakes    FL    34638    Navy
Sunlake High School    Land O Lakes    FL    34638    Air Force
Sunlake High School    Land O'lakes    FL        Army
George Steinbrenner High School*    Lutz    FL    33558    Air Force
Steinbrenner High School    Lutz    FL    33558    Navy
Steinbrenner Hs    Lutz    FL        Army
Barbara Goleman Senior High School    Miami    FL        Marines
John A Ferguson Senior High School    Miami    FL        Marines
Morgan Educational Center    Miami    FL    33177    Navy
Turner Technical Arts High School    Miami    FL    33147    Navy
West Broward High School (Lll)    Miramar    FL        Army
New Smyrna Beach High School    New Smyrna Beach    FL    32169    Navy
Francis Marion Military Academy    Ocala    FL    34479    Navy
Francis Marion Military Academy    Ocala    FL        Army
Francis Marion Militaryacademy    Ocala    FL    34479    Air Force
New School    Orange City    FL    00000    Air Force
East River High School    Orlando    FL        Marines
East River High School    Orlando    FL    32828    Air Force
East River Hs    Orlando    FL        Army
Ccc High School    Palm Bay    FL    32907    Navy
M.S. Douglas High School    Parkland    FL        Marines
West Florida High School Of Advanced Tech    Pensacola    FL    32526    Navy
T Dewitt Taylor Middle High School    Pierson    FL        Army
Earl J. Lennard High School    Ruskin    FL    33570    Air Force
Earl Lennard High School    Ruskin    FL        Marines
Lennard High School    Ruskin    FL    33570    Navy
Lennard High School    Ruskin    FL        Army
S. County Career Center    Ruskin    FL        Army
Florida State University School    Tallahassee    FL    32311    Navy
Florida State University School    Tallahassee    FL    32311    Air Force
Tarpon Springs High School    Tarpon Springs    FL    34689    Air Force
Tavares High School        Tavares    FL        Marines
Coral Shores High School    Tavernier    FL    33070    Navy
Viera High School    Viera     FL        Army
Wesley Chapel High School    Wesley Chapel    FL    33544    Navy
Palm Beach Lakes Community High School    West Palm Beach    FL        Marines
Wiidwood High School    Wildwood    FL    34785    Air Force
Wildwood High School    Wildwood    FL        Marines
Williston High School    Williston    FL        Marines
Lamar Cty Comp High School    Barnesville    GA        Army
Early County High School    Blakely    GA    31723    Air Force
Early County High School    Blakley    GA        Army
Taylor County High School    Butler    GA        Army
Gordon Central High School    Calhoun    GA        Army
Sonoraville High School    Calhoun    GA        Army
Woodland High School    Cartersville    GA    30120    Air Force
Cedartown High School     Cedartown    GA    30125    Navy
Murray County (School Not Named)    Chatsworth    GA        Army
North Murray High School    Chatsworth    GA    30705    Air Force
Unnamed High School    Chatsworth    GA    30705    Navy
Chattooga High School    Chattooga    GA    30747    Navy
Eastside High School    Covington    GA        Army
North Paulding County High School    Dallas    GA        Army
North Paulding High School    Dallas    GA    30132    Navy
North Paulding High School    Dallas    GA    30132    Air Force
North Paulding High School       Dallas    GA        Marines
South Paulding High School    Dallas    GA    30132    Navy
South Paulding High School       Dallas    GA        Marines
Southeast Whitfield High School    Dalton    GA    30721    Air Force
Terrell Middle High School    Dawson    GA        Army
Dawson County High School    Dawsonville    GA    30534    Air Force
Dawson High School    Dawsonville    GA        Army
Chapel Hill High School    Douglasville    GA        Army
South Paulding High School    Douglasville    GA        Army
South Paulding High School    Douglasville    GA    30134    Air Force
Dublin High School    Dublin    GA    31021    Navy
Dublin High School    Dublin    GA        Army
Calhoun Co Middle/High School    Edison    GA        Army
Schley Co High School    Ellaville    GA        Army
Gilmer High School    Ellijay    GA    30540    Navy
Gilmer High School    Ellijay    GA    30540    Air Force
South Fulton High School    Fairburn    GA        Army
Fayette County High School    Fayetteville    GA        Army
Fayette County High School    Fayetteville    GA    30214    Air Force
Chariton County High School    Folkston    GA    31537    Air Force
Grovetown High School    Grovetown    GA    30813    Navy
Grovetown High School    Grovetown    GA        Army
Grovetown High School    Grovetown    GA    30907    Air Force
Dutchtown High School    Hampton    GA    30228    Navy
Dutchtown High School        Hampton    GA        Marines
Banks County High School    Homer    GA        Army
High School #9 High School     Jonesboro    GA    30236    Navy
Veterans High School    Kathleen    GA    31047    Air Force
Locust Grove Hs    Locust Grove    GA        Army
Long County High School    Ludowici    GA        Army
Stewart Quitman Hs    Lumpkin    GA        Army
Howard High School    Macon    GA    31210    Navy
Allatoona High School    Marietta    GA    30060    Air Force
Kell High School    Marietta    GA    30066    Navy
Kell High School    Marietta    GA    30066    Air Force
West Cobb High School    Marietta    GA        Army
Ola High School    Mcdonough    GA    30252    Navy
Ola High School    Mcdonough    GA        Army
Ola High School    Mcdonough    GA    30252    Air Force
Jasper High School    Monticello    GA        Army
Habersham High School    Mount Airy    GA        Army
Irwin County High School    Ocilla    GA        Army
Hillgrove High School    Powder Springs    GA        Army
Hillgrove High School    Powder Springs    GA    30127    Air Force
Rockmart Comprehensive Hs    Rockmart    GA        Army
Riverwood High School    Sandy Springs    GA        Army
Social Circle High School    Social Circle    GA        Army
Woodland High School    Stockbridge    GA    30281    Navy
Woodland High School    Stockbridge    GA    30281    Air Force
Woodland Hs    Stockbridge    GA        Army
Chatooga High School        Summerville    GA        Marines
Peachtree Ridge High School       Suwanee    GA        Marines
Screven County High School    Sylvania    GA    30467    Navy
Screven County High School       Sylvania    GA        Marines
Dade County High School    Trenton    GA        Army
Dade County High School    Trenton    GA    30752    Air Force
Murray County P. School       Unknown    GA        Marines
Vidalia High School    Vidalia    GA        Army
Villa Rica    Villa Rica    GA    30180    Navy
Villa Rica High School       Villa Rica    GA        Marines
Washington Wilkes Comprehensive    Washington    GA    30673    Navy
Washington-Wilkes Hs    Washington    GA        Army
Apalachee High School    Winder     GA        Army
Winder-Barrow Hs    Winder     GA        Army
Kings Academy    Woodstock    GA        Army
Pike County    Zebulon    GA    30295    Navy
Pike County High School    Zebulon    GA        Army
Pike County High School    Zebulon    GA    30295    Air Force
Ujudo High School    Dededo    GU        Army
Kapolei High School    Kapolei    HI    96707    Navy
Lahainaluna High School    Lahaina    HI        Army
Lahainaluna High School    Lahaina    HI    96761    Air Force
Damien Memorial High School    Honolulu    HI        Army
Mililani High School    Miliani    HI        Army
Bonneville High School    Idaho Falls    ID        Army
Belvidere High School    Belvidere    IL    61008    Navy
Rice    Chicago    IL    60655    Navy
Roger C. Sullivan High School    Chicago    IL        Army
Westinghouse High School    Chicago    IL    60624    Navy
Crete Monee    Crete    IL    60417    Navy
TBD*    Lockport    IL    60441    Air Force
Lincoln-Way West High School    New Lenox    IL    60451    Navy
Harold L Richard High School     Oak Lawn    IL        Marines
Alan B Shepard High School    Palos Heights    IL        Army
Shepard High School    Palos Heights    IL    60463    Navy
South Western High School       Piasa    IL        Marines
Plano    Plano    IL    60545    Navy
Round Lake High School    Round Lake    IL    60073    Navy
Harold L Richards Hs    Oak Lawn    IL        Army
Anderson Preparatory Academy    Anderson    IN    46011    Air Force
Hamilton Southeastern High School    Fishers    IN    46037    Air Force
Decatur Central High School    Indianapolis    IN        Army
John Marshall High School    Indianapolis    IN        Army
Jefferson High School    Lafayette    IN    47905    Navy
Prairie Heights Hs    Lagrange    IN        Army
Tucker Career And Technical Center    Marion     IN    46952    Navy
Vincennes Hs    Vincennes    IN        Army
Desoto High School       Desoto    KS        Marines
Gardner Edgerton High School      Gardner    KS        Marines
Washburn Rural Hs    Shawnee    KS        Army
Wellington High School    Wellington    KS    67152    Air Force
Knox Central High School    Barbourville    KY        Marines
Trigg High School    Frankfort    KY        Army
Barren County High School    Glasglow    KY        Army
Ohio  County High School    Hartford    KY    42347    Navy
Ohio County High School    Hartford    KY        Marines
Ohio County High School    Hartford    KY        Army
Ohio County High School    Hartford    KY    42347    Air Force
Estill County High School    Irvine    KY    40336    Navy
Estill County High School    Irvine    KY        Army
Estill County High School    Irvine    KY    40336    Air Force
Anderson County High School    Lawrenceburg    KY    40342    Air Force
Western MST High School*    Louisville    KY    40216    Air Force
Clay County High School    Manchester    KY        Army
Clay County High School    Manchester    KY    40962    Air Force
Graves County High School    Mayfield    KY        Army
Graves County High School    Mayfield    KY    42066    Air Force
Union County High School     Morganfield     KY    42437    Navy
Bullitt East High School    Mt Washington    KY    40047    Navy
Bourbon County High School    Paris    KY    40361    Navy
Allen Cnty Scottsville Hs    Scottsville    KY        Army
Scottsville    Scottsville    KY    42164    Navy
Lincoln High School    Stanford    KY        Marines
Capitol High Academy    Baton Rouge    LA        Army
Mckinley High School    Baton Rouge    LA        Army
Breaux Bridge High School    Breaux Bridge    LA        Army
Carville Job Corps    Carville    LA        Army
Buckeye Hs    Deville    LA        Army
Independence High School    Independence    LA        Army
Independence High School       Independence    LA        Marines
Lakeshore Hs    Mandeville    LA        Army
Archbishop Hannan High School      Meraux    LA        Marines
Minden High School    Minden    LA        Army
Minden High School    Minden    LA    71058    Air Force
New Iberia Senior High School     New Iberia    LA        Marines
De La Salle    New Orleans    LA    70115    Navy
Sulphur High School        Sulphur    LA        Marines
Walker Hgh School    Walker    LA        Army
Bradshaw Mountain High School    Prescott Valloy    M .    86314    Air Force
Chelsea High School    Chelsea    MA        Army
Rc Mahar High School    Orange     MA        Army
Southbridge    Southbridge    MA    01550    Navy
Prouty High School    Spencer     MA    01562    Navy
Raytown South High School    Raytown    MC    64138    Air Force
New Era Academy    Balitmore    MD    21225    Navy
Jemison Academy    Baltimore    MD    21213    Navy
Cambridge South Dorchester    Cambridge    MD    21613    Navy
Frederick High School    Frederick    MD        Army
Northwest High School    Germantown    MD        Marines
Northwood High School    Silver Spring    MD    20901    Air Force
Kent County High School    Worton    MD        Marines
Kent County High School    Worton    MD    21678    Air Force
Belleville High School    Belleville    MI        Army
East Detroit High School    Eastpointe    MI        Army
Chandler Park Academy Middle High    Harper Woods    MI    48225    Navy
Madison High School    Madison     MI        Army
North Adams-Jerome    North Adams    MI        Army
Roosevelt Hs    Wyandotte    MI        Army
Bolivar High School        Bolivar    MN        Marines
Simley High School       Inver Grove Heigh    MN        Marines
Osseo Senior High School    Maple Grove    MN        Army
North High School       North St. Paul    MN        Marines
Chillicothe    Chillicothe    MO    64601    Navy
Excelsior Springs High School    Excelsior    MO    64024    Navy
Hayti High School    Hayti    MO    63851    Air Force
Raytown High School    Raytown    MO    64133    Air Force
Saint Clair    Saint Clair    MO    63077    Navy
St Clair High School    St Clair    MO        Army
Normandy Technical High School    St. Louis    MO    63120    Air Force
South Central Career Center    West Plains    MO        Army
Humphreys County High School    Belzoni    MS    39038    Air Force
Choctaw Central High School    Choctaw    MS    39350    Air Force
Choctaw Central High School      Choctaw    MS        Marines
Choctaw High School    Choctaw    MS        Army
Clarksdale High School    Clarksdale    MS        Army
Coldwater High School    Coldwater    MS    38618    Air Force
Newton County High School    Decatur    MS        Army
West Marion High School    Foxworth    MS        Marines
West Harrison High School    Gulfport    MS    39503    Navy
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  •  tip jar (7+ / 8-)
    * For investigative journalism

    * For nonviolent schools

  •  What a pile of bullshit (21+ / 0-)

    I'm a high school teacher.  In my school we have Air Force Junior ROTC.  If you think this is the militarization of our schools, then your tin foil hat is on WAY too tight.

    JROTC is nothing more than an academic program with some specialized classes, including a specialized physical education program.

    In my school, we've had it for about six years now.  It has provided a place for about 150 students who have an interest in aerospace and aeronautical studies, those who do have an interest in the military, and some who understood the need for a bit more structured discipline in their lives.

    I have no clue what your dealing with JROTC programs are, but to see a handful of students in uniform once a week is quite impressive.  I have seen several students truly mature through our program- of which I should note- I have nothing directly to do with.  

    The accusations that JROTC students fall behind in physical education is, from what I've seen, just preposterous.  Beyond real exercise, there is quite a bit of drill exercises helping to instill discipline.

    Investigative journalism?  Once again, bullshit.  Fox News has better standards than this load of crap.

    To the GOP and their ilk... YOU LOST!!! So, STFU.

    by oxfdblue on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 03:29:07 AM PDT

    •  The diarist seems to be under the impression (17+ / 0-)

      that JROTC is a required course rather than an elective.

      In military schools, it is required. But those are private schools.

      Aerospace Education was a boon for me. I grew up during the Apollo program and my love for Aerospace sciences was greatly enhanced by my experiences in AFJROTC.

    •  so add those subjects (0+ / 0-)

      to the curriculum.  i mean, for the cost of hosting JROTC, a school could hire some quality instructors.  and it's not like JROTC is the only avenue for children to develop discipline.  

      Quit posting non-sequitur "replies" just so your comment will be high up in the thread. It's effin' douchey. ♥

      by Cedwyn on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:15:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Cedwyn, KroneckerD, KVoimakas

        but it is one, and a valid one.

        Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

        by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:18:50 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Simple reason- money and instructors (8+ / 0-)

        JROTC is a great bargain for schools- it does not come from their local budgets.

        The DOD provides the funds to the schools for the program.  In the case of my school, our two ROTC instructors plus funds for other items within the program comes to over $151,000.  This means ten classes that we can create that NYC and NYS do not have to fund.

        Considering most NYC high schools are dealing with losing about million dollars in funding each, there is no way we'd give this up.

        To the GOP and their ilk... YOU LOST!!! So, STFU.

        by oxfdblue on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:38:35 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  so federal money goes to schools (0+ / 0-)

          but only for the benefit of a fraction of the students?

          if the federal government is in such financial woe, there is no excuse for this kind of thing.  i wonder how many anti-education wingnuts oppose this program?  crickets?  right.

          Quit posting non-sequitur "replies" just so your comment will be high up in the thread. It's effin' douchey. ♥

          by Cedwyn on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:52:41 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Strawman argument. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Walt starr, KVoimakas

            Are you so anti military that you would use any excuse whatever to deny an inner city school likeDurfee this sort of funding?

            Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

            by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:57:22 AM PDT

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          •  Right-that's the only Fed Ed Funding- (Epic Fail) (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            kestrel9000

            Federal money pours into schools that can get used for an overwhelming majority of kids.

            I mentioned the $151K for ROTC

            We also have
            $1,084,795 in TITLE I
            $22,810 Title III LEP
            $11,738  TITLE III TRANSLATION SERVICES
            $9,936 TITLE IV DRUG FREE
            $23,441 VATEA (Vocational and Tech Education)

            And this doesn't count the money that the city and state get to help pay for Instructional Support Services (formerly called Special Education).

            JROTC is a drop in the bucket.

            Oh, one other thing- the percentage of JROTC graduates who actually go into the military is incredibly small.

            To the GOP and their ilk... YOU LOST!!! So, STFU.

            by oxfdblue on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 07:53:52 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Jusr from a quick scan it it seems that targeted (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    kestrel9000, plankbob

    school list is extremely heavily weighted in red states.  Hmmm....

    "It's just amazing what people will do to get out of being the 2012 Republican Presidential nominee."

    by jwinIL14 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 03:35:47 AM PDT

  •  You've gotta be kidding me. (12+ / 0-)

    Ok, I'll admit it's discriminatory. I can't think of a part of high school that wasn't. AP classes? You have to qualify and do summer work BEFORE hand. Isn't that discrimination? Taking Stats II only AFTER taking Stats I? Discrimination! Though I will agree DADT is extremely discriminatory and needs to be repealed.  

    Sending the wrong message on guns? Yes, because teaching gun safety and the proper way to handle a firearm is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE THING.

    Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.00, -3.79

    by KVoimakas on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 03:45:35 AM PDT

    •  you can teach gun safety (0+ / 0-)

      and still send the wrong message regarding guns, yo.

      Quit posting non-sequitur "replies" just so your comment will be high up in the thread. It's effin' douchey. ♥

      by Cedwyn on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:12:48 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What is the wrong message here? n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.00, -3.79

        by KVoimakas on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:16:33 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  what guns are for (0+ / 0-)

          the proper mindset for dealing with them, etc.  

          look - the military is about indoctrination.  don't even try to deny it.  and i just don't think high school kids need that at a time when they are still trying to define themselves and their identity.

          Quit posting non-sequitur "replies" just so your comment will be high up in the thread. It's effin' douchey. ♥

          by Cedwyn on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:22:51 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Then (4+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            bjedward, unfounded, KroneckerD, KVoimakas

            they do not have to enroll in the program.

            I chose to, and i value my experiences in NJROTC.

            And you'd not call me, "indoctrinated' or a warmonger.
            Obviously, you have had no experience or contact with these programs.
            I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

            Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

            by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:27:20 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  I wasn't denying indoctrination. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            unfounded, kestrel9000

            I think for certain people it amounts to that.

            And what are guns for? Guns are used to kill people and animals. They're also used to target shoot. I'm not seeing what the military is doing that isn't getting this point across.

            They're not saying shoot everybody and they're not saying guns are the solution to all of your problems.

            Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.00, -3.79

            by KVoimakas on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:28:23 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  This diary is the kind of trope (3+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Walt starr, kestrel9000, KVoimakas

            That actually gives conservatives some credence when they try to claim that liberals 'hate america' and 'hate our troops'.

            Not that I think you hate either of those things but you seem to outright be cheering for US military ineffectiveness and regard military exposure as a prima facie Bad Thing.  So you're really not that far off.

            •  i have said no such things (0+ / 0-)

              not wanting high school children indoctrinated into militarism does not mean i seek military ineffectiveness or that i regard military exposure as a prima facie Bad Thing.  get a grip.

              Quit posting non-sequitur "replies" just so your comment will be high up in the thread. It's effin' douchey. ♥

              by Cedwyn on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:55:37 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  You have not in any way (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                unfounded

                substantiated your allegation that JROTC programs "indoctrinate high school students into militarism."
                I am living proof that they don't.
                YOU might try taking your own advice about the grip.

                Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

                by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:58:36 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  there are exceptions to everything (0+ / 0-)

                  so it didn't work on you.  great, or something.

                  i don't really want to get into this with you because i do enjoy you and am a little confused why you're taking such an aggressive response to a comment that wasn't even directed at you.  i thought we had more rapport than this.

                  the poster engaged in some damn ridiculous hyperbole, to which "get a grip" was a perfectly applicable response.

                  but let's not pretend that the military is not about indoctrination, even if it's as subtle as JROTC.  sometimes, subtle is strongest.

                  Quit posting non-sequitur "replies" just so your comment will be high up in the thread. It's effin' douchey. ♥

                  by Cedwyn on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 07:08:51 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  I'm still waiting for a reponse on the gun thing. (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    kestrel9000

                    Just FYI.

                    Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.00, -3.79

                    by KVoimakas on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 07:10:14 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  Again (3+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    unfounded, KroneckerD, KVoimakas

                    participation in JROTC is VOLUNTARY.
                    It's an ELECTIVE COURSE.

                    i thought we had more rapport than this.

                    I had never dreamed that you would support such specious attacks on a productive and positive school program. I'm a little dazed myself.

                    Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

                    by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 07:10:53 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  By the way (2+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    unfounded, KVoimakas

                    I agree with unfounded's assessment of your participation in this thread.

                    That actually gives conservatives some credence when they try to claim that liberals 'hate america' and 'hate our troops'.

                    I said as much about this diary myself in another comment.

                    you seem to outright be cheering for US military ineffectiveness and regard military exposure as a prima facie Bad Thing.

                    This is my perception as well, and I find it surprising and disappointing.

                    Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

                    by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 07:33:50 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                  •  And please remember (1+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    KVoimakas

                    am a little confused why you're taking such an aggressive response

                    that you accused me of ratings abuse. I reject that charge.

                    Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

                    by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 07:37:49 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

  •  NJROTC (11+ / 0-)

    was an important part of my development in high school.
    Also, it is basically the best thing that Durfee High School in crime, drug, and gang ridden Fall River, MA.
    Your tip jar gets a donut from me. Go away.

    Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

    by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 03:46:46 AM PDT

  •  I was in NJROTC in High School (9+ / 0-)

    and though I completely failed the class, thought it was really stupid at the time, and would have shocked my instructor if he had ever learned that I later went on to join the Navy -- I knew even then that the class was an Elective that I Chose to join.  

    Really I believe that ALL schools should have a JROTC program of some sort because, no matter what you might think, a fair number of our citizens will spend atleast some of their life in the Military.  Infact, some people will make the military a career, and having a JROTC background might even help them.

    Just because you don't believe that we need a military, and don't want to be part of any fighting, other people actually want to be part of the fighting. As long as the conflicts are "those who want to fight vs those who want to fight" I see absolutely nothing wrong with war tbh.  It's not the soldier's fault if the politicians have them targeting civilians.

    Flowers Bloom for my Ex - though Honeybees are pretty cool too.

    by Yoshi En Son on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 04:08:29 AM PDT

    •  you see nothing wrong with war? (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      happy camper

      did you really just type that?

      Quit posting non-sequitur "replies" just so your comment will be high up in the thread. It's effin' douchey. ♥

      by Cedwyn on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:08:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes I did type that. (0+ / 0-)

        Understand though, that the way I premised my statement is NOT reflected in war as it exists in the public arena...

        Basically, what I was saying is that I believe that IF two individuals wish to have a contest of strength against each other.... even so far as to have a lethal contest of strength against each other...  Then who the hell are you to say they can't?  Of course we have laws that say they can't, but I disagree with those laws... Now expand this from 1v1 to 10k vs 10k and it amounts to the same thing: people wishing to test their own strengths against another group.  I see nothing wrong with this in the slightest - as long as the people involved are all doing so of their own free will and understand the consequences.

        Unfortunately, "war" as it is actually conducted, is nothing of the sort that I describe.  Many of the "participants" are doing so for reasons beyond wanting to test their own strengths. In fact, many who end up "participating" would rather not participate at all... It is pretty easy to see that civilian casualties are not a great thing, but even damage to infrastructure and disrupting local commerce can be seen as forcing individuals to participate who don't want to.

        Flowers Bloom for my Ex - though Honeybees are pretty cool too.

        by Yoshi En Son on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 01:30:49 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  We have an a JROTC Air Force Unit (20+ / 0-)

    which includes openly gay students, both male and female.  Participation is voluntary.  

    I am a Quaker.  I am not totally opposed to JROTC.  It serves a purpose for some students.

    Would I like to see more courses in Peace Studies? Yep.

    Should anti-military groups have equal access to students as do military recruiters?  Actually, if the recruiters are allowed in to the school, Federal laws/rules require equal access to counter recruiters, although many schools and systems are hostile and violate that, just as they violate rules by making students say the Pledge of Allegiance.

    Sorry, I cannot support this diary in the form it is.  It is too hostile to something that is of benefit to some students, and which offers opportunity but is usually not allowed to be mandatory.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 04:18:51 AM PDT

  •  Kill Kill Kill (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    plankbob
  •  This diary is shrill crap (9+ / 0-)

    JROTC is probably one of the most honest ways to recruit young people into the military.  It provides them an extensive, honest look at a portion of the military experience.  Additionally, JROTC students get extensive training on leadership, discipline and citizen morals.  Students aren't required to join the military upon graduation and are in fact encouraged to continue on to college, generally with several attractive scholarship options (some of which don't require military service ever).

    If you acknowledge the need for our nation to have a military, then you need to realize that JROTC (however flawed some units may be) is a vital link in the recruitment chain.  If you think that a military is unnecessary for a nation of our size in this dangerous world, then you are an idiot and I've wasted my time with this comment.

  •  all part of our military madness (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Cedwyn

    Why does the military have to be tied to technical education? Follow the money. Gotta build them drones and other weapons of mass distraction.

    Dream, that's the thing to do (Johnny Mercer)

    by plankbob on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:04:49 AM PDT

    •  WMD (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      maxomai, KVoimakas

      Funny that you criticize drones as they are weapons of minimum destruction.  Or would you rather that incoming hellfire missile be targeted without first knowing if the bad guy is at ground zero?

      •  They seem to (0+ / 0-)

        fuck up frequently...

        "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

        by happy camper on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:16:10 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Stats? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          kestrel9000

          What are the hard numbers?

          •  Well, there's this (0+ / 0-)

            from DoD buzz

            Counterinsurgency adviser David Kilcullen told lawmakers last week that the drone strikes targeting Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters in Pakistan are creating enemies at a far faster rate than its killing them. According to statistics he provided, the success rate of the drone bombing campaign is extremely low: just 2 percent of bombs dropped have hit targeted militants. The other 98 percent? Those killed noncombatant Pakistani civilians, he said.

            Since the drone strikes began in earnest in 2006, the U.S. has killed 14 mid-level Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders. In the same time frame, the strikes have killed 700 Pakistani civilians, Kilcullen said May 7, speaking before the House Armed Services Committee, Subcommittee on Terrorism and Unconventional Threats.

            That's not a real good record. We're making way more enemies than we're killing with this crap.

            "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

            by happy camper on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 07:59:42 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  our military heritage and culture (7+ / 0-)

    is a part of us, and it's a complex thing. A few decades back I was all for kicking out the recruiters 100 percent. But now I favor the tactic of providing counter-recruiters. It is possible to support peace and to also recognize the basic honor in being a soldier.

    Listen up, guys! It turns out that if we don't hurry up and change the world, later it's the world that changes us. --Mafalda

    by forester on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:15:31 AM PDT

  •  The following statements (4+ / 0-)

    in the diary text represent an entirely valid justification for hifderating this diarist's tip jar:

    First, the use of the word, "invade" in the title.

    JROTC, a high school program to militarize youth in high schools

    targeted schools.

    (use of loaded word, "targeted")

    in which the Pentagon has convinced someone to fill out paperwork requesting a JROTC unit.

    Evidence of coercion? Where is it?

    additional attempt to further militarize the youth, schools, and culture of the US

    impending school invasions

    As previous.

    Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

    by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:38:02 AM PDT

  •  You would do better to elect leaders (5+ / 0-)

    who do not fight unneeded wars than to demonize a good program like JROTC.

    One Vor's opinion.

    Songs up at da web site! Also. . . It's Kostown, Jake. . .

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:40:45 AM PDT

    •  and to elect such leaders (2+ / 0-)
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      Crashing Vor, happy camper

      you need enlightened, educated citizens who are exposed to the downsides of militarism and the many myths of American exceptionalism. War is a racket.

      Dream, that's the thing to do (Johnny Mercer)

      by plankbob on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:56:44 AM PDT

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      •  Unfortunately, it's a necessary racket (4+ / 0-)

        Without a strong military, do you think we'd enjoy the lifestyle and security that we do?

        •  why wouldn't we? (0+ / 0-)

          I don't believe that's true. It's not at all that simple. My daughter lived in Costa Rica, which has no army, and she was perfectly safe and well-fed. Of course some would argue Costa Rica wouldn't be safe without the U.S. military.
          It's not a level playing field in our schools or in our nation. Alternatives to militarism are not explored. How can I counter military thinking?

          Dream, that's the thing to do (Johnny Mercer)

          by plankbob on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:29:46 AM PDT

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          •  Costa Rica... (0+ / 0-)

            ...doesn't exactly have the natural resources and riches that we do.  Think about Kuwait circa 1990.  Think about all the various wars over territory going on right now.  Thinking that a military is unnecessary is ignorant and naïve.

            When I was in high school, I'm pretty sure I studied alternatives to militarism in social studies and history.  It was pretty damn clear to me that war should be fought only as a last resort.  And this was in the school district where #43 now lives.  Unlike history classes, JRTOC isn't a required course, except at military academies.  And if it's anything like college ROTC, it's more focused on leadership, discipline and personal responsibility more than militarism.  It seems to me that your eyes are pretty closed on this one, but it's clear to me from experience in and out of the military that our DoD is not the conspiracy some people think it is.

  •  In addition (4+ / 0-)

    this piece of shit is a hit and run diary.
    Why is the diarist not in here defending his position, if he feels so strongly about it?
    23443 can hardly claim ignorance of what we expect from diarists around here, especially those who post material as...(cough)..."controversial" as this.
    And he did a hit and run on his last effort too.

    Hey Newt! If I gave you a hug, you'd be surrounded by paganism! - Eddie Garcia (kestrel9000)(-6.88/-5.74)

    by kestrel9000 on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 05:51:42 AM PDT

  •  I don't agree with this diary at all (10+ / 0-)

    Perhaps the diarist needs to spend some time getting to know some of the people in our military. They're not monsters.

    I am the child of a WWII vet, grew up on Air Force Bases, married the child of a WWII vet, and my two nephews are in the Air Force.

    My high school had Junior ROTC.  I remember one of the participants was able to go to the Air Force Academy for college. Several others went on to various civilian universities.  Although I've lost track of specifics, my recollection is that some of the Junior ROTC graduates went on to join the military and some did not.

    Same as the school in general.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with a career in the military.  As with any career, it can be an honorable profession. Unlike other careers, however, members of the military volunteer to defend our constitution with their own lives at great personal risk. Our nation depends on them to do highly dangerous things even during peacetime.

    Don't get me wrong: I don't idolize the military.  It has its flaws. There are good people and bad people in the military; same as any other profession.

    But it is necessary. And it is not inherently evil.

    I emphatically disagree and frankly am a bit insulted by the diarist's insinuation.

  •  JROTC is a great program (6+ / 0-)

    I think that JROTC is a great program. It's completely voluntary and no one is forced to take it. For some students the discipline and leadership training fill an important void in their lives. For others, it helps them understand the role of the military and to make a more informed choice about volunteering for service. And if you do decide to enter the service JROTC training gives you a big advantage. It did for me.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:17:04 AM PDT

  •  Until you're willing to trade your life for... (7+ / 0-)

    another's freedom, I'd suggest you remove this piece of drivel.

    That's what military service is. Whether conservative, or liberal, Democrat or Republican, every service member has made a decision, that you clearly can't fathom.

    To protect one of the things you hold most dear, with the thing you definitely hold most dear - Protecting the Constitution, with your very life.

    Many non-veterans understand this concept, and more, like yourself, don't seem to grasp it. It's making the ultimate committment to your fellow man.

    I'm quite sure that those men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan would much rather be somewhere else - but every one of them made a vow, and are keeping it - unlike the underhanded Col. Cook, who looks at his service, in terms of politics.

    THAT'S what seperates us, from them.

  •  I went through JROTC in high school (4+ / 0-)

    In fact, I would have been battalion commander if I hadn't pre-emptively turned it down.

    Guess the hit-and-run diarist thinks I'm some sort of baby-killer.

    Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað

    by milkbone on Fri Jul 17, 2009 at 06:24:50 AM PDT

  •  JROTC (7+ / 0-)

    Sorry.... I can't agree with this diary at all. I was in JROTC (Army, Lane Tech HS Chicago) for 4 years.

    JROTC gave me skills that I would never have thought of before... stuff that you may not think you need, but you never know.  Map reading. Not the cheap State maps, but real maps, and how to use a compass with the map and in the field.  Firearms safety. Always useful, and it gives you respect for the power of a firearm.  Folks taking firearm safety classes probably won't be the ones who keep weapons unsafely in their homes.
    Taking care of 'dress clothes'. How many high schoolers that aren't in JROTC know how to prepare a suit for, oh, I don't know, an interview?  I do, because I had to press, shine, etc my uniform for inspection every Wednesday. I'm sure this helped me get my first job. We had a parade in the afternoon, after my interview, so I showed up in uniform. Razor creases, hair short, shoes shined to a fare-thee-well, and such like that (I was a cadet Command Sergeant Major at the time).  The effect was quite impressive.
    There are a couple of high schools in Chicago that everyone joins JROTC, but these are selective admissions schools, and you know what you are getting into.  
    Look, it can be used as a recruiting tool. When I was in JROTC, kids going into the Army got some credit for the 4 year program. Whether that was a promotion early, or what, depended.  Most of the kids in the program did NOT go into the service, but have an appreciation for our fellow citizens in the military that most folks don't.

    One of the things that I will always remember about the years I was in JROTC. One of our instructors was a 1st Sgt. (1st Air Cav).  He had a number of tours in Vietnam, and spoke Vietnamese, and a couple of other languages from the area. We had some Vietnamese kids in the program, who spoke limited English. The kids were having a tough time in school, having being thrown into one of the best schools in the city  after having to bail out from their country during a war.  Sgt. Mautner realized this, and helped these kids all year get acclimated, and such. The look on these kids faces when he talked to them in Vietamese was priceless.... But he probably saved these kids academic year.

    JED Cadet Major (ret.)  Lane Tech HS Chicago 1974 1978

  •  This is frustrating (8+ / 0-)

    Mainly due to the blind spot that some on the Left seem to have regarding the military.  Many people critiquing this diary have said things that I pretty much agree with, so no need for me to repeat them.

    There's a book Heinlein wrote years ago, Starship Troopers where the high school kids are required to take a non-graded class called "History and Moral Philosophy" that explains how their society works, and what its internal, non-monetary, costs are.  I would love for something like that to be required currently.  An excerpt from one of the class lectures, and yes, it's a lecture, how else will a kid learn, is at http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/....  While the guy goes a little bit farther than I would in his deconstruction of rights than I would, my conservative law-and order side tends to agree with the Heinlein segment quoted.

    Unfortunately, I can't find a quote of the piece where the concept of the individual being willing to sacrifice for the whole being a proof of true citizenship, above all else.  It's another piece that goes a little farther than I would, but I do think that without a military, we'd have no America.

    As such, JROTC provides an opportunity for some to learn about another option available for them after high school, and it prepares them somewhat for that option.  I know I hated NJROTC when I took it.  I also know that a few years after high school that NJROTC prepared me somewhat for some of the BS at Navy Boot Camp, and gave me some grounding for my time in the Navy.

  •  What the FUCK (5+ / 0-)

    is the issue with JROTC?

    I served on active duty for more than 20 years.

    I would have LOVED to have had the training and background that JROTC would have provided.

    EVEN THOUGH I served long and honorably, I am also the most liberal person I know.

    Please credit the 14-18 year olds with a brain.

  •  Initial Responses to Criticism of this Post (0+ / 0-)

    Hello Folks,
    First, I hadn't responded to any of the comments earlier because I was traveling yesterday (to the national conference of the National Network Opposing the Militarization of Youth) and didn't have access until now.
    I'm not surprised by some of the negative comments. I know that many people strongly disagree with these perspectives. I understand that some believe that anti-militarist postings harm the community, but I'm surprised that some believe that disagreement merits a hide rating.
    Believing in nonviolence doesn't stop me from loving people in the military, including my Air Force veteran father. It is because I believe in nonviolence that I helped found, and still volunteer for, the GI Rights Hotline, which helps people in the military who need information about their rights.
    Okay, on to substance. I first want to point out that for all the criticism, no one has even made the claim that anything I wrote is untrue.
    Some of you have written about valuable experiences you've had in JROTC. I'm glad you had positive experiences, and that there were folks in JROTC who helped you get through a very difficult time. I believe non-military programs can accomplish whatever good JROTC does without the drawbacks of militarization.
    JROTC is not supposed to be mandatory (and I didn't say it was), but many schools assign JROTC to as many as half of 9th graders, and we are continually working to end this coercion. I'm aware of past and recent struggles about this in Boston, San Francisco, upstate New York, San Diego, etc. - if folks want specific references I'll add them when I have more time.) Violent video games aren't mandatory either, but they still have negative consequences and contribute to the militarization of our culture.
    On the cost issue, please check out these data. The federal government pays half of the instructor's salaries, but not the benefits, and because schools are required to hire 2 JROTC instructors for only 100 students (3 for 150, etc.), this ends up costing more than alternative programs.
    Okay, I'll write more tonight if I can, but I haven't yet addressed what I see as one of the central issues: how militarization of young people is harmful, but this is a start. I hoped this diary would promote discussion, and it has started to do that, at least.

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