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...as an exemplar of bi-partisanship.

Announces himself as a deather.

How can Democrats be expected to work with him on health insurance reform. He's exposed himself as the most partisan liar in the Senate.

That's all that has to be said.

Originally posted to Dave in RI on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:05 PM PDT.

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    •  We have worked with Grassley. (4+ / 0-)
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      Dave in RI, sgary, Calfacon, Billdbq

      But this is crazy stuff. Desperation....

      He's too smart to say something like that by accident.

      The GOPers are setting out to appeal to paranoids, antisocials and narcissists (lacking empathy), and histrionics.

      Sad, indeed.

      They have believe that they are a criminal gang -- somehow similar to "The Sopranos" and its Mafia madness.

      Angry White Males + DSM IV Personality Disorder delusionals + sane Pro-Lifers =EQ= The Base

      by vets74 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:24:43 PM PDT

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  •  Yeah, that charade should be over n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI
  •  Iowa put Obama on the map......interesting. (3+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, vets74, jakebob
    •  Not really (1+ / 0-)
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      jakebob

      The Dems don't win the battle against him because they never even try.  Never more than token opposition, so we keep getting stuck with him.

      I would love to see Kos (or somebody) poll a Grassley/Vilsack race, just to see where we stand.  If the numbers didn't look too bad to start with, maybe we'd finally get Chuck an actual opponent.  Seems to me if Chuck had some credible opposition, perhaps he'd be a bit more careful about how many lies he tells during the healthcare debate.

      •  A friend in Iowa... (1+ / 0-)
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        jakebob

        ... a progressive, tells me Vilsack is a putz. I believe him.

        •  He is. (0+ / 0-)

          But so is Grassley...what's your point?...

          Mine is that he is a Democrat with state-wide name recognition.  That's more than we've ever had before running against Chuck (at least as far as I can remember).  And Chuck can't get away with quite so much during the healthcare reform debate if he has to worry about the ads running against him.  Look at how Specter fell in line after Sestak announced for the primary.  Chuck's probably not as bright as Arlen, but either he is and falls in line, or he isn't and loses the race.  Either way, it's an improvement over what we're stuck with right now...

          •  Point is, isn't there someone else? ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... I mean, if Harkin can get elected, why not some other sane person?

            I admit, I don't know Iowa politics other than occasional conversations with my friend, but sounded like Vilsack isn't the best alternative.

            •  Maybe not. (1+ / 0-)
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              Dave in RI

              And I'm not trying to be combative, I'm just still ticked off about the issue I wrote a diary about earlier.  It still has me steamed, so my writing comes across a little more hostile than usual or than I mean it to.

              Anyway, here's the thing about Iowa.  We seem to keep our college coaches and our politicians long past their expiration date should have passed.  Once hired or elected, they just keep going and going and going (like the energizer bunny) in the same position they probably shouldn't have gotten in the first place.

              I don't know why, but in a state that takes pride in being politically aware, when it comes to our own state politicians, they seem to vote for the name they recognize, not the one their policy positions would logically dictate.

              There is a candidate against Grassley.  He was even on Rachel a few minutes ago (Yea Rachel!).  But unless we all get busy and raise his name recognition here in Iowa, he's going to end up as the usual sacrificial lamb in the 2010 election.  And we'd need some serious help from the national folks to raise his name recognition.  I'd like to hope that Obama will come and campaign for him, but as long as he's still trying to play too nicely with others, we can't really hope for any help there either.  It's very frustrating, if you hadn't guessed from my mini-rant here...

              •  Yeah. Just saw him... (0+ / 0-)

                ... seemed like a nice enough guy. But not a facile speaker. Unfortunately, we seem to require facility with language from our leaders -- even though that quality doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence or common sense. (I can say this because I'm a poor speaker myself.)

                •  Chuck can't speak either though. (0+ / 0-)

                  I know we're a farm state, but most of us don't have the "aw shucks" hoakeyism that Chuck spouts.  Maybe we could get Krause some media training?  I don't know, I just know that Chuck and Steve King are embarrassments to our state.  I'm really hoping that Chuck ticks off the wingnuts enough for King to think he has an opening and run against him in a primary.  Then we actually could end up with a second Dem in the Senate.

  •  "Grassley" and "exposed himself" (8+ / 0-)

    is an image I could've done without!

    But serious.y, this ain't much of a diary, more of a comment, and it's been posted all day long -- can't u put a fresh spin, or more info, on it?

    "He's like any other president -- he's a politician and he's got to do what politicians do." Rev. Jeremiah Wright

    by PhillyGal on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:10:16 PM PDT

    •  Never saw it ... (1+ / 0-)
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      Billdbq

      ... and, I admit, I forgot to do a search.

      But I'm not big on posting rules about how long diaries or comments should be. These kinds of rules remind me of the old listserv groups, where the rule was "No one-liners." So people would use more words than needed just to push their comments over one line. Kinda stupid.

      Anyway, thought this was good info to get out and didn't care about the silly diary/comment stuff.

      Remember, brevity is the soul of wit. (Not that this diary was particularly witty.)

  •  Perry Bacon (Washington Post)... (3+ / 0-)
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    has written a pretty hacktacular account of Grassley's town hall.

    •  I was at that townhall he reports on in Afton IA (1+ / 0-)
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      Trix

      and yelled "That's bull..No racism!" when the teary lady that Mr. Bacon mentioned in his report described America today as 30s Germany.
      I know I shouldn't have yelled, but no way was any supporter getting called on, and the whole thing felt a bit too evangelical, reset in a church as it was.

      I think there were two HC supporters out of the 300 there.

  •  I'm glad he did this (2+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, JanF

    we need these people to expose themselves this way.

    There is no spinning this, no walking this back.

    He's a Deather. He has no more credibility than people who say 9/11 was a controlled demolition or that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

    Even though the last week has been particularly ugly and painful for the Democratic Party and the Obama administration... there is no excuse for not changing tactics and recognizing who the opposition to reform is.

    You can't claim solidarity with people if you also want to bomb them

    by LeftHandedMan on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:15:55 PM PDT

  •  Rec'd for saying it like it is (3+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, Calfacon, MichaelNY

    Screwing around with us, wasting our time.

    He hopes we fail

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984

    by MinistryOfTruth on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:18:00 PM PDT

  •  What gets me is that.... (3+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, phonegery, MichaelNY

    Johnnie Issakson and Chuck Grassley seem to be smarter than this.

    Who is pushing this talking point so hard that otherwise sensible Pubbies have to obey?

    What is to gained by playing the complete jerk-off?

    When did this talking point come up and under what circumstances?  For it sure looks like complete desperation to me.

    and lastly, WHY would anyone push so patently absurd a notion as some sort of political necessity?  It seems so completely backwards and ridiculous.

    Today, 8/10/09, 4330 Americans, and untold Iraqis are dead, tens of thousands more maimed. Bush lied; President Obama, it is your war now.

    by boilerman10 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:18:47 PM PDT

  •  Well good old Claire just thought (4+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, JanF, vets74, tberry

    Chuck misspoke.  I for one thinks Chuck is nuts.

    No Robust Public Option - No Reelection - No Kidding!

    by dr fatman on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:19:00 PM PDT

  •  Gang of 6's "macaca" moment (4+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, ZappoDave, vets74, MichaelNY

    The gig is up.

    No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

    by Magster on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:19:03 PM PDT

  •  Grassley exposes himself... (3+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, JanF, Billdbq

    Pardon me while I go bleach my brain.

    "All that serves labor serves the nation. All that harms labor is treason. -Abraham Lincoln

    by happy camper on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:25:36 PM PDT

  •  I have a suspicion the rethugs are working on ... (0+ / 0-)

    a face saving amendment/bill loaded with purely symbolic provisions of type No to slip into any HC legislation.

  •  He was even worse in the afternoon (1+ / 0-)
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    phonegery
    He said he would have to be shoved away from the table and   he wasn't sure a bill would ever get out of committee while the folks talked about Obama as though he was the devil, literally.

    "Republicans drove the country into a ditch and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck"-Jim Cornette

    by justmy2 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:28:29 PM PDT

  •  Grassley is an old angry ass white man, he (1+ / 0-)
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    Billdbq

    fucking complain about every damn thing that comes to the senate floor by a dem.  Grassley has issues with blacks, hispanics, and with women, and he needs to be checked on this crap.

  •  Didn't he have some kind of embarrassing (1+ / 0-)
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    moment at a committee hearing about a month or so ago where he made some kind of inappropriate sexual reference to himself...something like "My wife thinks I'm a stud"?

    Maybe he is losing it.

    "If you can't afford a boat, and are standing tiptoe in the water, the rising tide goes up your nose." -- Barney Frank

    by JanF on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:40:57 PM PDT

  •   CBS.... (3+ / 0-)
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    Dave in RI, JanF, MichaelNY

    just ran a long story about Grassley being the voice of reason on health care reform "who doesn't drink the Kool Aid" (according to a Politico person quoted in the story).  No mention was made of the grandma quote.  

    The whole CBS newscast is horridly misleading on health care, but the Grassley segment was out of control.  

    No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

    by Magster on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:41:46 PM PDT

    •  CBS = Fox News via antenna (1+ / 0-)
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      Dave in RI

      "If you can't afford a boat, and are standing tiptoe in the water, the rising tide goes up your nose." -- Barney Frank

      by JanF on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 04:43:10 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, I saw that and here's what I emailed them (3+ / 0-)
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      Dave in RI, JanF, Magster

      If you insist on presenting the health care reform effort in such a slanted, one-sided, negative way as you did tonight, you might want to at least take the time to get your facts straight.

      The HELP Senate bill actually contains language that  requires Congress to sign on to a public plan if one is passed (you said none of the bills did). Did you just make an honest mistake? Or have you not read the bills you're fact-checking yet?

      You might also have mentioned that Senator Grassley (the Senator you presented as so sane and bi-partisan like) said today:

      "There is some fear because in the House bill, there is counseling for end-of-life. And from that standpoint, you have every right to fear. You shouldn't have counseling at the end of life. We should not have a government program that determines if you're going to pull the plug on grandma."

      Again, did you just forget to leave this out? Or do you just not give a shit about anything close to real reporting?

      Sigh. I guess that's what I get for taking a chance on CBS News tonight. I won't make that mistake again.

      They don't win until we give up.

      by irmaly on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 05:21:10 PM PDT

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