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The GOP has promised there are absolutes and based on these we should all be voting Republican.  One of the biggest promises/absolutes is "government provided health care reform will mean rationing, poor care, lack of innovation, mass doctor shortages, communism, Nazism, national debt forever, Mexicans getting care, and now...DEATH PANELS TO KILL YOUR GRANDMA!"  This is why we should be voting GOP!

What if their biggest lie, for decades, gets tossed out as just that A LIE?  What happens when these fools lose their biggest bogey man?  A Clue:  what happened when GOP love for the war got confronted with cooked intelligence, lies, no shock and awe, failure, no WMD's, etc.?....we won mid-term elections, then the house, senate and White House.  What do you think GOP's world would look like if health care reform came and was wildly successful?  Ouch?  They would be left with a platform about tax breaks for rich people, immigration, and abortion.  Or 12% of the vote.

The Republican Party is not against health care reform.  Rather, they are scared shitless.  What is going to happen when reform comes and everyone has good health care, we all have access to the doctors we want, there is no rationing, our grandmas are all alive with their tubes and wires still plugged in, and the country/world has not ended in a mushroom cloud of financial disaster?  I'll tell you what is going to happen....a corner stone of republican bull shit will be flushed down the proverbial toilet.  This is not Obama's Waterloo my friends, this is the Republican Party's Waterloo.  If people find out they have been lied to, and they were denied good affordable health care just to keep the GOP relevant, these Tea Baggers are going to look like a knitting group compared to the rioting duped GOP faithfuls.  

Almost like the guy who gets us all to believe the world is ending on Friday.  When Monday rolls around, and we had the weekend to think about his bullshit, Mr End of The World goes from relevant to invisible.  

GOP, Rush, Palin, Steele, etc. are fighting for their lives, not about health care.  This is why they have doubled down with crazy goofy stuff.  The sooner we realize it the sooner we will disengage in this dumb ass notion of "bipartisanship" and deliver a true health care reform bill.  Otherwise we are fighting, and losing, about issues which were never really the "true issues."  This is why we are now spinning in circles around Death Panels, Illegals Getting Health Care, Grandma Getting Killed, Nazis, etc. - all arguments which can never be won.  They are mindless distractions designed to defeat us.  The GOP doesn't want to really talk about health care, they want to stay alive by simply keeping their best bogey man.

Ignoring the GOP mashugana will get us two things.  Good Nationalized Health Care and GOP becoming irrelevant.  I just wish Dems, Obama, pro reform, etc. would stop arguing with this straw man, ignore these babbling idiots, and get us a meaningful successful reform bill.  

Originally posted to Uncle on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM PDT.

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  •  Oh yes they are against it (4+ / 0-)
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    DaleA, dansmith17, Interceptor7, Puddytat

    They need to maintain the insurance company rationing without it being the public eye.  That's what they're afraid of.

    They tortured people to get false confessions to justify invading Iraq.

    by yet another liberal on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 10:10:33 PM PDT

  •  Public Option Eventually Kills Off Private Ins. (8+ / 0-)

    They know this, too.

    If my plan is 20% cheaper than yours and I can't be booted for pre-existing conditions, you tell your plan to screw.

    That's the real "end", which is feared by insurance companies like horsemen feared the engine.

    •  Well, they could also cut back. But that would (5+ / 0-)

      mean less profit. Just in 1993 the medical loss ratio was 95% (according to Wendell Potter). Now its 70-80%. They can do it. But why if they don't have to? They'd rather have the $400 Billion to themselves.

      One Nation, One Health Plan. Doctor and Nurse Recommended Single Payer Health Care for All!

      by ludlow on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 10:14:37 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Its about control, by the rich. Period. (1+ / 0-)
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      Right now, private business controls this huge and growing segment of the economy and national activity and all the rewards and punishments (privileges and burdens) attendant thereto.  That means the rich and their hangers-on, the privileged, control it.  They decide who gets what, and ultimately who lives and who dies.  And by that means go a long way to insuring their continued control and privilege over pretty much everything.

      With universal health care the scarcity model they use to justify both their control (if its capitalistic, capitalists control - and logically should control - it) is gone.  With a strong government option, the false-choice justification (accept them or death) disappears.  With its inevitably being - overall - no worse than the private system (and likely better, again for the largest number of people, i.e., voters) the legitimacy of their political model - the private oligarchies can better manage major endeavors than democratically elected governments - and all hopes for its success suffer a major - if not fatal - blow. (Who will ever take raids on the taxpayer's pocketbooks like privatizing social security - or even the Post Office - seriously if government managed health care works better for the majority of voters than privately managed?)

      And with it, a major part of their power, wealth and privilege.

      Unearned power, wealth and privilege.

      And control.  Over 1/6th of the nations activity, 1/6th of the national wealth - i.e., your pocketbook (and actually more - the 1/6th is just the cost of health care, not the cost of sickness or wellness, etc.) and literally over the lives of their 'lessers' - you and me.

      And that is why the language of the crazies has been all about privilege and control - the puppets can't help but parrot their masters true fears.

  •  It really isn't about the money (3+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, dansmith17, Puddytat

    GOP will always have a line of lobbyists with tons of money.  That was the tobacco argument:  how will they live w/o the money?  Just fine.  It is the loss of legitimacy.  There will be corporations with more than enough money to replace the lost donations.

  •  ...insh'allah! n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    bythesea, Puddytat

    Those 47 million uninsured Americans? I am one of them.

    by Immigrant Punk on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 10:24:12 PM PDT

  •  when congress returns (2+ / 0-)
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    DaleA, Puddytat

    they will be so fed up with how the GOP base behaved, they will pass it with glee. This is the 60`s all over again!

  •  If Republicans know it (3+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, Puddytat, Situational Lefty

    (and at least three have bluntly said they do), why don't Democrats know it too?

    Or otherwise, why aren't they acting as if they do?

    Is it possible to get the message across to them?  

    Do Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe know it? Assuming this all is true, how should they act?

    •  History is on their side. (6+ / 0-)

      The GOP is going with history.  They have always won the Health Care Reform Battle.  Americans equate health care reform with killing grandma, Nazi Germany, losing your doctor, etc.  It is a game of odds.  The GOP thinks, and they may be right, they can roll out the same script and end the debate and keep the status quo.  If you had to bet your life on who was going to get the better of the fight who would you pick?  I'd root like nuts for reform but expect GOP to win.  Reid and Pelosi have given me nary an ounce of confidence Congressional Dems have grown a brain.  Instead the GOP has merely doubled down.

    •  why don't Democrats know it too? (1+ / 0-)
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      It's called bucks
      Take my Senator for example
      Bayh from Indiana
      his wife is tied to one of the biggest pharma companies which is based in Indianpolis

      look at the bucks flowing to others like Baucus
      money talks so BS walks

  •  Spot on! (3+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, LordMike, Situational Lefty

    This is the snarling beast cornered.  We'll get through these growing pains.  I'm happy to predict that the Republican party will not.

    respice adspice prospice

    by Steven Payne on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48:01 PM PDT

  •  The Rethugs will outlast this (5+ / 0-)

    After all this is a political party that has been agitating the anti-abortion and anti-gay folks for decades and haven't been held accountable for doing nothing about those issues when they held the House, the Senate, and the White House.  I haven't heard a Republican been asked about that once!

    They'll spin a pile of BS into a semi-coherent historical rewrite and spew it on Faux and Reich Wing radio so their sheeple will know what to believe and parrot.  Polly wanna Talking Point?

    Those who yell do so because their arguments are so weak they can only be supported by massive amounts of hot air. Sue, West Allis, Wisconsin

    by Puddytat on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 10:49:54 PM PDT

  •  Public Option will not always compete with (0+ / 0-)

    private insurance.  Public Option will pick up the folks that private insurance has already left behind. Private insurance may have to slow rate increases, but in general, private insurers will be able to retain their current customer base and can compete for the newly insured folks if it so desires.  

    Eventually, the health care industry will change to be more customer friendly, and that may result in lower, but still very healthy margins for private insurance companies.  

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 11:16:26 PM PDT

  •  Do you know about the "new biology?" (0+ / 0-)

    The GOP will evolve to survive as they did from the party that freed the slaves to the party that made an entire generation into their propagandizd slaves.  It is about survival and they like any organizd entity be it your liver or your country will get it together or perish.....

  •  With portable health care, employers will have to (4+ / 0-)
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    Garrett, DaleA, dansmith17, CherryTheTart

    treat their employees better, since they will no longer be tied by family and personal necessity to the company's health care plan and therefore more likely to leave that company's employ if they are ill-treated.

    "Get your ticket to that wheel in space while there's time. The fix is in." Donald Fagen, The Nightfly, "I.G.Y."

    by Eirik Raude on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 11:43:56 PM PDT

  •  And that's exactly what the corporations (0+ / 0-)

    And their Republican lackeys are afraid of......workers who can tell management assholes to go shove it and go work elsewhere.

    Of course those same corporations have screwed up everything for years by "outsourcing" American jobs just to pad their profit margins.................

  •  Despite all the yelling and whining and... (0+ / 0-)

    lying... despite comparisons of President Obama to Hitler and nazis and brownshirts, the President will win and the disgusting rethugs will lose.

    "There is no red America, or blue America, there is the United States of America." 2004 DNC Speech

    by BarackStarObama on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 03:07:45 AM PDT

  •  Thinking about (0+ / 0-)

    making me a tin foil hat to protect myself from the wingnuttery. Shit is just crazy. I have to believe that this stuff is staged. This being a display of willful ignorance or of folks actually believing some of the shit put out there is mind boggling,


    by Diamond Jim55 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 03:55:55 AM PDT

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