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It's worth looking at a recent post by birther/deather Alan Keyes.

He uses Jonah-Goldberg-like babble to conclude Dems are worse than Nazis, then ends up channeling Hitler.

Like Goldberg, he accuses Democrats of the same things Hitler said about the Jews.

"Liberal fascism" has to start with pseudointellectual gibberish:

we tend to forget that the core of the Nazi ideology involved the concept of the volk, which derived its existential meaning from the occult and mystic qualities of the blood.

Really? I thought volk meant "people" as in "Peoples' Car" (the Volkswagon). Herbie the Lovebug is an occult blood car?

Actually, the core of Nazi ideology is rabid fear of foreigners and the creation of a volkish (populist) movement through pervasive media propaganda about the mongrel races and liberals killing whites. The volk was a population trained to only accept information in the form of inflammatory propaganda. This isn't existentialism Alan, this is marketing to dummies, and it should already sound familiar. The modern Volk is Fox News viewers.

Alan makes the point that where Nazi believed in pure will, blood purity, and nationalism, the modern liberal believes in "scientific materialism."  According to Keyes, even though they have nothing in common, but Nazis and liberals are terrifyingly similar.

This is typical breathless wingnut doublespeak. Jon Stewart exposes this sort of pro forma conservative rhetoric on the Daily Show, when conservatives loudly contradict themselves in the same breath or claim that they never said something they said 2 minutes before. It's sort of like they have a sign out fron that says "You must be this stupid to ride this ride."

But then Keyes goes on to say that it's because of liberals respect for science that they are worse than the Nazis. According to Keyes, liberals are dangerous because they use logic.  The Nazis merely made intensely emotional appeals bases on ethnic hatred. So you see, even if conservatives get busted using Nazi talking points that just proves they are still better than liberals.

But wingnuts still like pseudointellectual gibberish, and Keyes tackles the subject of "scientific materialism." The rift between Materialisn and Spiritualism is an ancient one. Aristotle was solidly in the Spiritualist camp with his concept of "essences" and what we would call "Intelligent Design," and European reverence for Aristotle helped make the Dark Ages what they were. Spiritualist explanations of the universe span the Christianity, pagan, and animist traditions, not to mention the Nazis.

The rift between "Scientific materialism" was a big controversy for 19th century German philosophers, and Hitler sided with the "spiritualists." The "spiritual" would include all religion for good or bad, as well as Hitler's propaganda that he said over and over must appeal "to the heart" and the emotions, but never to the "intellectuals" that Hitler ridiculed.

Even though Hitler considered the "eggheads" to be his mortal enemies, so does Alan Keyes. Keyes claims that liberals are a much greater evil than Nazis.

we are discarding the moral principles that allow us to recognize and acknowledge the evil that we do, evils will be done in the twenty-first century that make the holocausts of the twentieth look like a dress rehearsal.

Gee Alan, it sure sounds like you're making the case that a vibrant American Nazi Party would be valuable ally in the war against the terror of Liberalism.

And strangely enough, Hitler and Alan Keyes draw similar conclusions. Like all "Liberal Fascism" buffs, Keyes go on to accuse liberals of the same sins that Hitler attributed to liberals and Jews.

As Alan Keyes says:

Leftists of the Obama faction, and the big business interests working with them appear to believe that scientific materialism is an acceptable basis for dealing with human affairs.

Compare this to the platform of the Nazi Party.

  1. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.....
  1. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.  The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without

And then Alan goes off on another toot:

The contemporary national socialists (he means liberals) deny the boundaries on human action implied by the subjective perception of meaning we derive from our experience of willing.

Sounds like he's talking about Tim McVeigh or something, you know a guy who denied the "boundaries on human action" based on his "subjective perception of meaning."  And for that matter, Hitler was pretty big on breaking boundaries and following his own subjective ideas. In fact people wrote books about how the Nazi lived in a subjective reality, like George L. Mosse's In Masses and Man: Nationalist and Fascist Perceptions of Reality. So again, Alan is saying that modern wingnuts are better than modern liberals because wingnuts are closer to Nazis.

So it's not really clear why Alan says that modern conservatives having a "subjective realtiy" is a good thing, although it does leave them free to insist that Obama is a Kenyan mulatto conspiring to kill white people, which is what Keyes believes. To paraphrase Alan "I got your subjective reality right here, be-actch!"

And of course, Keyes can't wrap this up without a shoutout to Jehovah, apparently looking for something that will distinguish him from Nazis, because so far the parallels are pretty disturbing.

(Conservatives) respect for God's will distinguishes them decisively from both the 'right wing' national socialists of old, and those of the left with whom we now contend (Keyes)

Really Alan, your respect of God's will is what sets you apart from Nazis and liberals? Because Hitler declared that he was an instrument God's will all the time.

Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfils the Will of God and does not allow God's handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will. (Hitler, Mien Kampf)

Man! I have to add citations to not mix up my keyes and Hitler quotes!
Hell, even John Haggee claims Hitler was doing God's will.

OK, Alan, play us off now, and don't screw it up.....

I believe it is imperative for true Americans to join together now to preserve the work that reflects their wisdom, uniting for God, for Liberty and the Constitution in order to preserve both conscience and humanity.

Actually, Alan, that is a very volkish appeal to "true Americans" to preserve their culture that is strikingly like Hilter's appeals to "real Germans."

We are all proud that through God's powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933

Originally posted to bernardpliers on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:09 PM PDT.

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    •  Alan keyes (9+ / 0-)

      ia a sad man, still bitter from the trashing he got from Obama. How a man can live with this amount of hate and is beyond me.

      •  What is God's Will??? (2+ / 0-)
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        Yosef 52, bernardpliers

        (Conservatives) respect for God's will distinguishes them decisively from both the 'right wing' national socialists of old, and those of the left with whom we now contend (Keyes)

        So how do they know wht God's Will is? Do they think the 2000 election turned on God using the Butterfly Ballot to trick some 2000 macular degenerates in Palm Beach County throwing their votes away?

        If Alan Keyes thinks that Conservatives follow the Will of God, does he permit the Iranian hardliners to say the same? There's little difference in arguing that Bush and Ahmadinejad are God's Gift to their respective countries. They're both incompetent clowns.

        If I said that Conservatives are simply forging God's Signature to their own human hatreds, what actual EVIDENCE does Keyes have to disprove me?

        Greg McKendry, Linda Kraeger, Dr. George Tiller, Steven Johns. Victims of Wingnut violence

        by Judge Moonbox on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:48:02 PM PDT

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  •  Scientific Materialism Versus Spiritualism Highb (2+ / 0-)
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    housesella, Judge Moonbox

    Highbrows would scoff, but I like the Transcendentalists like Emerson who kept the focus on human happeniess without blowing a gasket over the of the industrial revolution.

    Because you know what, empirically we know that technology works. Planes fly, so deal with it.

    •  Yes. The world is a disaster (0+ / 0-)

      probably get worse.

      Learn and teach your children about  personal dignity and self-worth.  Start a movement in your family/neighborhood promoting treating all with dignity.  UNITE.

      Don't make the mistake we made.  Material stuff doesn't bring happiness.  It's just a fix, like heroin.

      Poverty does not mean powerless. Unite!

      by War on Error on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:40:08 PM PDT

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      •  Materialism Means Not Relying On Miracles (2+ / 0-)
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        Corwin Weber, Judge Moonbox

        Evolution would be "materialism." Basic genetics would be "materialism," as would astronomy, geology, mathematics.

        Heck, a lot of religions (not very poplar ones) forbid music, and if you framed the question for them, they'd probably say it was too materialistic.

      •  Material stuff, as you put it..... (0+ / 0-)

        ....is more than a fix.  It's warmth.  It's shelter.  It's comfort.  It's not living like an animal and watching your children die in droves from a natural order that doesn't care whether they live or die.

        Rejecting material goods is a conceit of the wealthy.  People who have actually had to do without don't do it.

        That having been said, material in this case refers to a materialist view of reality.  Not a focus on material possessions, but the idea that the material universe is all that there is.  No spooks.  No god thingys outside the bounds of physics.  Just plain ol' objective reality.  I forget the source of the quote off the top of my head, but 'Isn't it enough to admire the beauty of a mountainside without having to believe there are fairies living in it?'

  •  Once and for all (6+ / 0-)

    Liberals are not Nazis
    Progressives are not Fascists
    Obama is not Hitler

    Republicans are not Nazis
    Conservatives are not fascists
    Bush is not Hitler

    If we can't even fucking agree on the above, there is NO hope for our democracy.

    I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

    by The Navigator on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:19:40 PM PDT

    •  Wingnuts Are Increasingly Fond Of Swastika Signs (6+ / 0-)

      Although they would claim they are using them in an ironic sense, I don't think anyone can parade a sign with swastikas and not be called a nazi.

      •  So, it's the old.... (0+ / 0-)

        "I know you are but what am I" argument.

        Do a search of various combinations of Hitler/Nazi/Fascist with Bush/Republicans/Conservatives on this site for the past 6 years and you will get TENS OF THOUSANDS of hits.  

        I saw Bush/Hitler signs, including swatstikas at lots of anti-war and globalization protests.

        It's just a specious argument to say "How dare they call us Nazi's when it's really THEM who are the Nazi's!"

        It's irresponsible when both sides do it.  And just historically idiotic.

        I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

        by The Navigator on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:32:47 PM PDT

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        •  No Actually You Can See It Go In Stages (4+ / 0-)

          Go back and read Hitlers "Causes of the Collapse" where he blames Germany's problems on atheists, pacifists, secularists, the liberal media, people that did not support the first war, people that didn't support the troops. Pretty much all the points from AM radio from 2004-2005. A friend listened to Michael Savage regularly, and I'd point out even obscure rants straight from Mein Kampf, like how high schools make teenage boys effeminate.  

          If liberals start talking about deporting all immigrants, crushing the unions, stamping out atheists, promoting large families, English only, protecting marriage, making contraception and sex education unavailable, teaching nationalism in school, yadda yadda yadda, I promise that I will point it out.

          •  So (1+ / 0-)
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            Kylopod

            If I were to point out the similarities between liberals and communists, would you say they are Soviets in training?

            I've probably read 40 books on the Third Reich and Hitler (WWII history is a hobby of mine).  I think I'm pretty familiar with what fascism is and what the Nazi's stood for. Making a list of superficial similarities doesn't mean much, because both sides can play that game.

            I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

            by The Navigator on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:46:53 PM PDT

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            •  I agree both sides are guilty of Godwin's Law (3+ / 0-)

              But I still think the right these days is getting pretty scary.

            •  So (3+ / 0-)

              We got that Nazi thing handled once and for all, it was a historical aberration, and the historians and psychologists and people that lived through it who warned that it would be back sooner rather than later with new media tools but the same bag of propaganda techniques, they were pretty much all wrong?

              •  Of course not (2+ / 0-)
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                bernardpliers, Kylopod

                The Nazi's were a warning.  Evil has reared it's head many times, both during and after the Nazi regime.  And it takes different forms..., communism, fascism, whatever.  Stalin and Mao made Hitler  look like playtime.  

                Our more recent history is  replete with horrors being repeated over and over, including in Europe (Kosovo anyone).

                I'm not saying we should not be on guard against the type of totalitarianism that these ideologies and people represent.  All I'm  saying is, lets not use inaccurate, loaded terms like Nazi to describe our political enemies.  It doesn't help matters, and it's just historically wrong.

                When you call a conservative (or liberal) a Nazi, you are not just saying they are authoritarian, want to suppress free speech, etc.  Remember, the Nazi's killed millions of  jews, enslaved entire countries set the world on fire and destroyed Europe.  That's a lot of baggage to load onto people on the other side of the aisle that we have to share this democracy with.

                I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

                by The Navigator on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:05:01 PM PDT

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                •  Keyes Compared Liberals To Nazi, I Pointed It Out (1+ / 0-)
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                  Corwin Weber

                  Let's not do the "Daddy only drinks because you cry" thing.

                  Some fine writers pointed out the links between communism and totalitarianism when communism was expanding.  But at the moment, it's not really a current event.

                  •  Keyes was wrong (0+ / 0-)

                    So is every liberal who has compared Bush to Hitler and Republicans to Nazis, including the tens of thousands of times it has been done on this site.

                    I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

                    by The Navigator on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 07:23:12 PM PDT

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            •  They're more than superficial. (1+ / 0-)
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              bernardpliers

              It might not be entirely accurate to call these people Nazis in training, (although I'd argue that point) but the Nazis, Soviets and this bunch do all fall under the same basic branch of Authoritarianism, even if some areas of their particular politics do differ slightly.  (Mostly between the Soviets and the other two.... although the Soviets drifted further and further from actual Socialism the longer Stalin was involved.)

      •  Wingnuts don't have any sense of irony (3+ / 0-)

        Their argument is that they're using the swastikas to suggest that the Democrats are Nazis. I'm not sure what to call that tactic, but irony it ain't.

  •  Sounds like a cut and paste drive by. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Alan Keyes: still batshit crazy. (10+ / 0-)

    As reliable as the rising sun, and just as much of a smoldering ball of gas too.

    -7.12, -7.54 / "Health care reform will never take place until Rahm Emanuel is strangled with the entrails of Frank Luntz." - Diderot

    by Big Tex on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:20:14 PM PDT

    •  Attack on Logic. (3+ / 0-)
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      Big Tex, bernardpliers, Corwin Weber

      But then Keyes goes on to say that it's because of liberals respect for science that they are worse than the Nazis. According to Keyes, liberals are dangerous because they use logic.

      What is logic but a set of rules intended to keep you from reaching false conclusions from true premises? I've heard desperate before, but I haven't heard anything this wild.

      Greg McKendry, Linda Kraeger, Dr. George Tiller, Steven Johns. Victims of Wingnut violence

      by Judge Moonbox on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:53:38 PM PDT

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  •  Occult blood car, yes. (6+ / 0-)

    If man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man,
    but it would deteriorate the cat. - SC/MT / -9.5, -7.0

    by Amayi on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:21:36 PM PDT

  •  Alan Keyes = Sore loser (7+ / 0-)

    still pissy about losing that Senate race to Barack Hussein Obama, huh?

    Shoring up the African American Idiot vote for the GOP. Good thing almost no African Americans are stupid enough to fall for it.

    Any AA who fails to see how racist the GOP is is either tremendously stupid or willfully ignorant.

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984

    by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:24:01 PM PDT

    •  He actually was once outspoken against GOP racism (3+ / 0-)

      But over the years he has gradually sounded more and more like one. I actually found a complimentary reference to Keyes on Stormfront (I won't provide the link) by a guy who said if Keyes wasn't black he would vote for him.

      •  Thanks for leaving out the link (1+ / 0-)
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        bernardpliers

        I won't click on sites like that or VDare.com unless I absolutly have to

        The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984

        by MinistryOfTruth on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 09:18:07 PM PDT

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        •  When Wingers Say Black Voters For BHO Are Racist (2+ / 0-)
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          Kylopod, MinistryOfTruth

          I point out that blacks DON'T vote for Alan Keyes, so clearly there is more to this than melanin.

        •  I don't even think I'm allowed to link there (1+ / 0-)
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          bernardpliers

          People would probably HR me for doing so, even if I made clear I don't support the site.

          Over the years, I've occasionally visited such sites to learn about them, but I've found I don't have the stomach for that kind of thing for any sustained period of time. Holocaust denial especially gets to me, since I'm the grandson of Holocaust survivors.

          My favorite experience with this sort of thing was when I once stumbled upon a neo-Nazi movie review site. It was like something out of SNL. One writer talked movingly how Raiders of the Lost Ark used to be his favorite movie, until he learned how unfair it was to the Nazis. The reviews on this site almost sounded like ordinary movie reviews, except they'd say things like "Jewess Gwyneth Paltrow" and so forth. The reviews would eventually digress into racist propaganda even when they were for the most innocuous films like Shallow Hal.

          Another weird experience was after my rabbi told a slightly un-PC joke about Jews. (It was an instant of the supposed rule that you can tell jokes about your own group, like when President Reagan told a joke making fun of Irish people and said, "See, I can tell that, being Irish.") I googled it, and the first page that came up was a long list of jokes attacking mostly blacks, but also Mexicans and Jews, and it was linked to a neo-Nazi site. I thought the joke my rabbi told was too funny for the site. If your aim is to offend people, why include a funny joke? It seems to defeat the purpose. But I digress....

  •  keyes (3+ / 0-)
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    bernardpliers, Judge Moonbox, Kylopod

    is a nutter. He is like the freak in rags and the funny hat shouting on the street corner.

    The liberals=Nazis nonsense has been building in the nutosphere for some time. Limbaugh just spent an entire week on it. Those primed to receive the message, will believe it. They already believe that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church . . . .

  •  Why after all this time are we still surprised (3+ / 0-)
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    bernardpliers, Judge Moonbox, Kylopod

    and shocked by what Keyes or Limbaugh or Hannity or that other guy  whatever his name is, says or does?

    Did you really expect them to warmly embrace the democrats or the president or a serious democratic piece of legislation?

    Of course not. That's what they did and have been doing and will be doing for as long as they live.

    So these diaries (and i apologize to the diarist of this one) whose authors seem to have woken up from a 1000-year sleep and are utterly shocked by what these Muppet-heads are saying are incomprehensible to me. They are written as if the authors want or wish these guys to start loving the democrats or the president.

    Let me tell you folks: it will never happen and they will say more outrageous things in the future. So, get over your shock and dismay once and for all.

    Don't give a damn a/t each & every politician currently alive in the US. Last time i voted for the top part of the ballot was 1972. Never missed SB election

    by Mutual Assured Destruction on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:27:01 PM PDT

  •  What is really head spinning about the Nazi (3+ / 0-)

    accusations is that the so-called fundamentalist power brokers in DC use Hitler as a Good example.

    http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com...

    If there is a game plan, could it be let the Dems have a go at it, make them fail, call them Nazi's and socialists, the have the right regain majorities and then drive the stake into the heart of our democracy?

    See the outcomes, not the process.  What are the outcomes?
    Mom and dad have to work to survive.  The family breaks down.  Is that a family value?

    No!  Everything the GOP says, they mean the exact opposite.  Think about that.

    Poverty does not mean powerless. Unite!

    by War on Error on Thu Aug 13, 2009 at 06:38:13 PM PDT

  •  I cannot resist posting this video again (2+ / 0-)
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    happy camper, bernardpliers

  •  Keyes loves his god (2+ / 0-)
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    bernardpliers, Judge Moonbox

    Too bad he doesn't care about anyone or anything else - except of course, Alan Keyes.

  •  Republicans = Holocaust Deniers (0+ / 0-)

    If Republitards really think Obama is a Nazi, then they are nothing more than Holocaust deniers. After all, Obama has not rounded up millions of people to be gassed or shot. So if the Republitards think he's a Nazi, they must not think the Final Solution took place.

    For the record, Obama hasn't invaded other countries without declaring war, he hasn't approved the torture and murder of prisoners, nor has he even mentioned annexing the Sudetenland.

    Therefore, Republicans are Holocaust deniers.

    •  Tom Coburn -Holocaust Denier (0+ / 0-)

      I see Coburn is also peddling this "death panel" BS. This is the same Coburn who objected to the airing of Schindler's List on network TV -on the grounds that the movie showed nekkid titties. I kid you not.

      He thinks Obama is the new Hitler, but he also thinks the worst thing the old Hitler did was make women show their tits.

    •  Republicans Used To Have Holocaust Envy (0+ / 0-)

      I did a diary about how they tried and tried to identify with the Jews of the Holocaust. It was a horribly embarrassing trope.

      I think of Holocaust deniers as being more towards the real Paultards.

      The ones that say FEMA is planning to slaughter Americans have a lot more practice at the conspiracy theory thing, and they are comfortable lumping the Holocaust in with the moon landing as hoaxes.

      As the GOP goes deeper and deeper into the tall grass of conspiracy theories, it would seem likely that holocaust denial will be more common.

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