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Sunday, NPR Morning Edition, 08.23.09 {4min 5sec.}

Daniel  Zwerdling, of NPR, continues his outstanding research into and reporting on the Army's, and the Military's, care of returning soldiers suffering from PTSD and other possible mental problems developed as to serving in these wars and occupations.

Top link brings you to the transcript, and if you do a search at their site under Daniels name you'll find the many previous reports by him and related on these issues.

They can try all the training idea's that pop into their heads, extreme trauma situations bring on post traumatic stress, be it combat, living in combat theaters, or in someone's life, that's the reality.

You can't 'train' against trauma's that haven't happened yet, the individual experiences seen and done, unless you want to develop ways to turn intelligent humans into living robots or develop, as we already have with flying drones, robots that destroy other's in our wars of choice.

It's not 'before training', it's finding the best ways to take care of those who have developed what once wasn't within them, be it from war or in civilian experiences, but now exists in different levels in those we send to invade and occupy.

War's are the total opposite of anyone's upbringing, especially in civil societies, hell military training is in the preparation of turning one into a soldier to defend ones country. Traumatic experience of combat, and even living within, of all that happens, and the stress of 24/7 possibility of what's coming taxes the minds and the reality humans live in and by as intelligent beings. Mental problems develope from those experiences, being lived over and over in ones mind. They don't only happen to someone considered not strong of mind, even those we would least expect, the so called strong, develop the stressor's that can trigger the reliving of these experiences, sometimes fatally.

War's should not be fought of choice, choice of a few we have as our leaders, civilian and military, not by civil societies! War's should be as we have always stated but rarely followed in our modern history, fought as an Absolute Last Resort! And the results of War's, physical and mental problems of, not only as to the soldiers who we send but those we invade and occupy, should stand right alongside the Absolute Last Resort we should have as our policies as a Leading Nation on this Planet!

If this society and country wants to Cheer on these War's of Choice then be Ready to Pony up the Extreme Costs of the Failed Policies Followed!! And that doesn't just mean in monetary costs but also in the cost of a weaken security to it's citizens, no matter where they are or go, from the blowback!  

Originally posted to jimstaro on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 04:03 AM PDT.

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  •  Tip Jar (13+ / 0-)

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 04:03:01 AM PDT

  •  yes, it is impossible to 'train' (5+ / 0-)
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    for the horrors of war.... and those who get PTSD from the horrors of war are the ones who are normal, decent human beings.

    It is abnormal not to react to such horrors, particularly when one realizes that the war was based on lies and all that pain accomplished nothing good or worthwhile.

    I think that realization makes the PTSD worse.

    The occupation of Iraq will not be disrupted. - Chris Hedges 3/2/09

    by dancewater on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 04:26:33 AM PDT

    •  I really hope you didn't just mean (1+ / 0-)
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      to imply that those who don't get PTSD are abnormal, bad human beings.

      Our lives pivot on real things that are non-material...To believe only in what you can see seems a peculiar form of blindness- Rabbi David J Wolpe

      by siduri on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 05:58:25 AM PDT

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      •  that's pretty much what I am saying (0+ / 0-)

        that IF you are a normal decent human being, and subjected to the horrific conditions of war, it is a sure thing that you will get PTSD.

        Those who are subjected to the same conditions and do not get PTSD are not normal to start with, in my opinion.

        The occupation of Iraq will not be disrupted. - Chris Hedges 3/2/09

        by dancewater on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 11:57:33 AM PDT

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        •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

          So following that line of thought are kids who were abused and don't grow up to have mental problems just bad and abnormal to begin with?

          The same thing will affect a dozen people a dozen ways. It has nothing to do with which one is normal or 'good' and which is abnormal and therefor 'bad', we are just all different.

          Your comment is really offensive.

          Our lives pivot on real things that are non-material...To believe only in what you can see seems a peculiar form of blindness- Rabbi David J Wolpe

          by siduri on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 05:06:59 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think any children (0+ / 0-)

            would turn out okay from abuse if the level of abuse is on the same scale as war.

            And for those who turn out okay from a lower level of abuse or neglect, it is a miracle.

            The occupation of Iraq will not be disrupted. - Chris Hedges 3/2/09

            by dancewater on Tue Aug 25, 2009 at 02:04:22 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry but mental illness (3+ / 0-)
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      isn't something that afflicts only "normal, decent human beings." It can afflict any human being--even the ones who you may not think so "decent." I'm rather troubled by that comment of yours, because I greatly object to liberals' tendency to divide mental ill people into those they're willing to support and those they are all to happy to write off as "crazy," especially if it is one who espouses violence or very right-wing ideology (doubly so if they act on such ideology, like von Brunn).

      PTSD isn't something that results from disillusionment about ethics or morals. Do not make PTSD a "moral illness"--it is a mental illness, period. It is the result of stress and trauma on the brain's processes, processes are are more fundamental to how we think and function than our ethics and morality. When the brain endures any stress, its processes are compromised and certain chemicals are depleted or thrown out of balance. With PTSD, the problem is the brain has been so severely compromised, it doesn't recover from that. Instead, it limps on in a compromised state, and symptoms progressively get worse as the brain is not able to "bounce back."

      PTSD is a difficult illness to treat, and it's made more difficult when people try to make it about morality or about the sufferer's character. And the truth is, there are plenty of individuals suffering with combat-related PTSD who rationalize their illness as making them more combat-ready, more capable to endure horrors or less suited for "normal" civilian life. There are even cases of individual suffering from childhood-trauma PTSD who go into the military with these distorted perceptions of themselves, and combat or other stress make their pre-existing PTSD worse. It's not about morality or "decency," but about how the illness has damaged their own sense of self and how they view the rest of the world. Such people are ill too, and deserve to be helped. That's part of the complexity of PTSD.

      -8.50, -7.64 "In the depth of winter, I finally learned that there was within me an invincible summer." - Camus

      by croyal on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 06:06:11 AM PDT

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      •  I know anyone can get a mental illness (0+ / 0-)

        what I am saying is

        IF YOU GO THROUGH THE HORRORS OF WAR AND IT DOES NOT IMPACT YOU VIA PTSD, then there is something probably wrong with you to start with.

        The really crazy and sick people are the ones who go through horrific experiences and do NOT get PTSD. If you don't feel stress from such a situation, there is something already wrong with you.

        I do think anyone who "espouses violence or very right-wing ideology (doubly so if they act on such ideology, like von Brunn)" are crazy people, probably sociopaths.

        Of course, if you DON'T get PTSD, then you don't have to worry about treating it do you?  My opinion is that you have something worse to worry about in those cases.

        The occupation of Iraq will not be disrupted. - Chris Hedges 3/2/09

        by dancewater on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 12:02:46 PM PDT

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  •  all this will do is give the Army and the VA a (6+ / 0-)
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    way to say  look you had the "battlemind training" before you went to war, you can't have PTSD, therefore  no compensable problems  now go away and don't bother us.....

  •  Veterans forsake studies of stress (5+ / 0-)
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    Stigma impedes search for remedies

    Researchers testing ways to treat the psychological wounds of war among Iraq and Afghanistan veterans are encountering a serious roadblock: a shortage of willing study participants.

    A strong stigma in the military associated with post-traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD, is blamed for the reluctance of combat veterans to take part in a pair of treatment programs being evaluated by staff from the Veterans Administration in Boston at facilities in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New Hampshire, study directors said................

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 04:56:32 AM PDT

  •  PTSD Compensation Rules (2+ / 0-)
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    Secretary Shinseki Moves to Simplify PTSD Compensation Rules

    WASHINGTON – Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric K. Shinseki announced the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) is taking steps to assist Veterans seeking compensation for Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

    "The hidden wounds of war are being addressed vigorously and comprehensively by this administration as we move VA forward in its transformation to the 21st century," said Secretary Shinseki.

    The VA is publishing a proposed regulation today in the Federal Register to make it easier for a Veteran to claim service connection for PTSD by reducing the evidence needed if the stressor claimed by a Veteran is related to fear of hostile military or terrorist activity.  Comments on the proposed rule will be accepted over the next 60 days.  A final regulation will be published after consideration of all comments received.....................

    "The wise man points to the stars and the fool sees only the finger - and discusses it 24/7 on cable and am radio."

    by jimstaro on Mon Aug 24, 2009 at 07:14:51 AM PDT

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