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It is time for the Democrats AND Republicans to reject Idaho gubernatorial hopeful Rex Rammell’s candidacy for any office now and forever!  

From a good friend of mine, with whom I agree,

"As a concerned citizen I have had it.  I would like to know at what point does the FBI take threats against the President seriously.  The recent comments by a prominent Republican politician in Idaho, Rex Rammel, about taking a hunting license out on President Obama are beyond the pale. A weak apology afterwards does not undo the harm of fanning the hatred of the extremely vocal right wing in this country. This event is only one of many that have been reported in recent months.

Events like this one, coupled with the now frequent appearance of people at Obama events with loaded weapons are surely a warning sign to law enforcement officers that we have a potentially serious problem at hand.  It appears that the leaders of the Republican Party, for political reasons, are not interested in suppressing this type of behavior that could easily be called treason. Surely, threatening the life of the President is still treasonous and illegal.

I would like to know what the criteria is for the FBI’s decision on when to pursue a person for making public comments that threaten the President. I will be forwarding this email to my Senators (Lincoln and Pryor AR) and my congressman (Snyder AR) for their comments as well.

I have had enough of this over the last two months. I want to know what my country is doing to stem this kind of dangerous behavior and protect our President. I look forward to hearing from you on this vital matter."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/27/rex-rammell-idaho-goper-j_n_270751.html
"UPDATE 8/28: Idaho gubernatorial hopeful Rex Rammell has refused to apologize Friday for his joke about hunting Obama, saying in a statement, "Anyone who understands the law, knows I was just joking, because Idaho has no jurisdiction to issue hunting tags in Washington, D.C."
His comments were universally condemned by fellow Idaho Republicans. "Rex Rammell's comments are in very poor taste and should not have been said," said Sen. Mike Crapo. "I disagree often with the President and his policies. But the comment was totally unacceptable and should not have been made," said Sen. Mike Risch. Rep. Mike Simpson and former Idaho Gov. Phil Batt also offered harsh rebukes. "

Originally posted to PeaceVet on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 02:18 PM PDT.

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    •  You should tell your friend (0+ / 0-)

      to read the $%#&ing Constitution:  treason is the one and only crime whose definition the Founders chose to cast in stone,  and it does not include even seriously threatening the President.  Much less joking about it.

      And that the FBI and Secret Service take threats seriously when they're real,  not merely when they offend someone's delicate politically-correct sensibilities.

      You might also remind your friend that his/her sort of hysteria was the reason that the Bushies were able to stampede the country into the Iraq War by yelling "Ooga-booga!  Anthrax!  Mushroom cloud!".

      •  White Supremacist (1+ / 0-)
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        b tex

        It can be argued that "White Supremacist" are enemies of the United States, and fanning the flames of their hatred could logically be argued to be treason... IMHO.

        Constitution of the United States, Article III; Section 3 - Treason
        "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

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        •  It can be argued that (0+ / 0-)

          the Earth is only 6000 years old,  too.  Both are bullshit.

          The Founders feared this sort of paranoid witch-hunting and repression of dissent.  That's why they followed the sentence that you quoted with

          No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act

          to make sure that mere words could never be punished as "treason".

      •  I think you miss the point (0+ / 0-)

        that we have hate ranters on the radio who reach all of the crazies out in the nation. The ranters will have a heyday with the outrage that that "joke" created. It seems to me that assassination implied by a person vying for high office is the equivalent yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

        We learned with the swiftboating of John Kerry that you don't let such statements slide. He did not want to "dignify" lies by acknowledging them. The public concluded, "If what is being said isn't true, he would sue (or object)." We've learned to object -- and immediately.

        We need to create a STORM of objections, AT ONCE! Don't let our objections die -- we need to continue to repeat that joking about assassination is UNAMERICAN.

        •  Correction - Ran Talbott response (0+ / 0-)

          Oops! The placement of my response about "missing the point" was to Ran Talbott's post, not to PeaceVet's.

        •  And I KNOW that you've missed (0+ / 0-)

          the point of this country's very existence.

          Many thousands of our ancestors died,  and tens of millions of others put their lives at risk,  so that Americans could say stupid and/or tasteless things without fear of repression by the government.

          What we need is a citizenry that isn't so cowardly that it won't even risk being offended to preserve the freedom that they sweated and bled to give us.

          •  Whoa, not "repression by the government" (0+ / 0-)

            I only said that our political parties should reject politicians that make such outlandish statements that could be interpreted as goading White Supremacists into violent actions.   Rex Rammell’s "joke" crosses the same line that takes yelling "FIRE!" in a crowded theater out of the protections of Freedom of Speech; as another so aptly stated here.  

            "What we need is a citizenry that isn't so cowardly that it won't even risk being offended to preserve the freedom that they sweated and bled to give us."

            Look, I volunteered for and served in Vietnam, and lost good buddies there.  We did not sweat and bleed so that some jerk can make wise-cracks about issuing hunting licenses for our elected President.  I AM OFFENDED! And justifiably so. I consider a threat against my President as treason, and I will say so when I hear such BS.

            •  Well, both the letter you quoted (0+ / 0-)

              as the bulk of your diary (explicitly),  and the comment I was responding to (implicitly,  by invoking the "fire!" rule) called for "repression by the government".

              While that may not have been your personal motivation,  legally speaking you did sweat and bleed so that jerks could say offensive things.  That's what "defend the Constitution" is all about:  making sure that people's speech and actions are limited only to the extent needed to keep them from doing actual harm to others.

              Ran

  •  How does this relate to Rommel? (2+ / 0-)
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    I think we're done with Nazi comparisons for the present time, don't you?  Plus, not for nothing, but while he certainly fought for the wrong side it's a far cry from Rommel to Goebbels in terms of the evil-bastard-o-meter.

    "When those windmills start to chop people up, tilting at them may not only be rational, but may become a necessity." -arodb

    by JR on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 02:22:58 PM PDT

    •  Rammell or Rommel? (1+ / 0-)
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      b tex

      Perhaps the comparison was not perfect... It didn't occur to me until my spell-checker substituted Rommel for Rammell.  

      However, I won't edit it now, because Rammell's "joke" is totally unacceptable in civilized societies.    We do not issue hunting licenses for humans, especially not for our newly elected African-American President.   This cracker Rammell is playing to and fanning the flames of White Supremacists, many of whom are in Idaho, Montana, and other states.   Sounds like a Nazi to me.

  •  This is the second diary about Rammell (1+ / 0-)
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    b tex

    today along with a front page story. If KOSsacks don't have a comment they don't tip. Idaho is outside their perception.

  •  The title makes reference to (0+ / 0-)

    a KNOWN enemy, while Rammell is hardly recognized by most. I would say the Rommel reference is eye-catching, which is what most of us want in our titles. If only Rammell's name is mentioned, it probably would be ignored by most readers.

    I agree 100% with the letter. It's time for joking about assassinations stop. The U.S. already has a reputation for being violent. It's a mistake to show even more violence to the rest of the world.

    As a matter of fact, such jokes strike me as being extremely disrespectful. It's okay to say you don't like someone or the job they are doing, but it is NOT OKAY to joke about assassination.

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