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Yep, that's right, Wyoming.  Land of open spaces, mountains, abundant wildlife, (mostly) clean air.  The kind of place where your kids can still walk to school.  The kind of place where you can see deer and antelope while driving to work (and it only takes you 10 minutes to get to work). The kind of place where you can throw your skis in the car and be on the slopes or the cross-country trails within half an hour of leaving the house.

Yeah, we've got our share of wingnuts here.  I'm not happy about my Congressional representation, to be sure.  

But is Senator Enzi justification for all the hatin' on Westerners I see Kossacks engaging in?

Over the past week, I've encountered at least three articles/diaries about Rocky Mountain wingnuttery.  This past Sunday, mcjoan wrote about the small-state Senator problem. Yesterday, Hunter discussed Senator Enzi's corporate contributions and obstruction of health care reform.  The most recent was mcjoan's article today about Idaho gubernatorial hopeful Rex Rammell's bad joke about buying Obama tags.

Now, I agree with what mcjoan and Hunter said.  Mike Enzi and John Barrasso aren't serving my state's interests in the slightest; they're serving their corporate overseers.  Rex Rammell's joke was in extraordinarily bad taste, and he should be taken to task for it.

My problem isn't with mcjoan and Hunter.  My problem is with all too many of the comments on those three diaries.  Comments such as:

Pardon me, but fucking Wyoming?  ...a State that is largely areable (sic) land, cattle, and a handful of humans...

In Enzi's defense, WY has no people.

And, FWIW, my two older sons outscored the entire state of WY on the PSAT when they were in HS.

Why does Dakota get four Senators?

Small brain pool

Besides having a smaller, tighter group of political boot camps, there seems, to me at least, a dearth of intellectual curiosity from States with little population, Bernie Sanders excepted.  Not only lack of curiosity, but basic intelligence doused with a large amount of myopia.

IDAHO = Inbred Doofuses Are Hunting Obama

Hm.  So.  

No one lives here.

The (apparently imaginary) people who live here are stupid.

And inbred.

And can't multiply by two.


First off, I can state with a reasonably degree of authority that people do, in fact, actually live in the intermountain West.  I'm one of them. Granted, there aren't a lot of us, and we're spread out over a vast swath of God's country.  But we do exist.  And I'd like to think we count for SOMETHING.  

To be sure, I'm sure people in California are frustrated that Wyoming has exactly the same number of Senators as California does.  Don't blame us Westerners for what the Constitution says, though.  And if the likes of Enzi were championing health care reform, you probably wouldn't be mad at us.  You're mad because Enzi is holding up health care reform, not because he's from Wyoming.

Second, we're NOT stupid.  Many Wyomingites and other Westerners may have a misguided view of how the world works, plus a level of cognitive dissonance that is often breathtaking. Such as the rancher with a federal grazing lease who wants the guv'mint out of his business, or the sportsman/sportswoman who thinks nothing of hunting on BLM land but resents federal intrusion into his/her affairs.

But that doesn't make us stupid.  We just have a different view of life than city folk do.  (Case in point: mcjoan actually had to explain, for the benefit of you city slickers, what "tags" are.  Any Wyomingite or Idahoan or Montanan worth his or her salt knows damn well what they are, 'cuz hunting is part of the culture here.)  Oh, and we can multiply by two.

Third, we're not inbred.  We do have values, and we don't marry our cousin.  ;-)  (Usually, anyway. And let's leave FLDS and other practitioners of plural marriage out of the discussion, 'k?)

One thing you need to realize about us intermountain West folk is that we are a proud people.  We deeply resent furriners (Western for people who ain't from here, including people from the Left Coast and the East Coast) telling us what to do.  One popular bumper sticker reads, "Welcome to Wyoming.  We don't give a fuck how you did it back home."  Don't insult us, don't dis us.  We get really pissed off.

And when we get really pissed off, we dig our heels in, like a recalcitrant horse that doesn't want to be broke. I'd say that's a lot of what you're seeing with Senator Enzi.  He knows that a lot of people outside Wyoming really, really hate him.  So that makes him only all the more determined to stand his ground.

So back off.

And come see us sometime, 'k?  We're actually pretty nice once you get to know us, and once you stop telling us what to do.  And we've got some of the most awe-inspiring scenery you'll see anywhere.  Plus we don't have traffic jams.

Originally posted to shaktidurga on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:10 PM PDT.


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    •  Greetings from North Western Wyoming (2+ / 0-)
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      Tinfoil Hat, Wordsinthewind

      Clark, to be exact.  Moved here last year from small town South Eastern Idaho.  Politics are about the same.  But the people in my near by area couldn't be nicer, more well educated and vast majority of them are retired here from the East Coast. . .Maryland, Connecticut, New York, Florida, North Carolina.  All my closest neighbors are well off financially, college graduates, and very nice folks despite their politics.  We have a couple of multi-millionaires, And the rest of them are just very well off.  None of them are at the lower end of the income scale where my partner and I fit in. As I said, they treat us well and are mostly fun and interesting folks.

      So, as usual, the stereotypes are just that. . .not the reality of it.  Most of them are very much Republicans because of their wealth and stature in the scheme of things.  They don't like taxes.  They have a sense of privilege about them so they don't particularly like the idea of a helping hand from the government for anyone.  Some of that might come from their "Network" of people of influence and money that they know.  I swear if you and I could get the deals they get on cars, homes, equipment, yadda, yadda, yadda we would be living very well too.  It's who they know that gets them help and things and goods and services at prices (or no price at all) that you and I would drool over.  The rich, or at least these rich always help each other out. . .it's us. . .the "rabble" that they don't think should get any assistance.

      Just my experience and perhaps not typical.  It has been eye opening to see how they operate and how easily things flow for them.  The rest of us should have it half as good as they do!  We would be ecstatic!

      JMO and don't bash us brave enough to live among the reddest of the populous.  We need encouragement, not denigration.

      *the blogger formerly known as shirlstars

      by Shirl In Idaho on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:46:14 PM PDT

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    •  I feel your pain. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm from Alaska. We used to be able to say that with head held high. Then along came the Bridge to Nowhere and if that wasn't enough we had to suffer through the vacuous adoration of Palin. I preferred the days when we were considered a frozen wasteland.

      The great tragedy of Science, the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact. T. H. Huxley

      by realalaskan on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 11:03:33 PM PDT

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  •  I lived in Wyoming for 25 years of my life (2+ / 0-)
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    Tinfoil Hat, beltane

    and though it's politics generally runs slightly to the right of Ghengis Khan these days, it wasn't always that way.

  •  yes, all duly noted (4+ / 0-)
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    tmo, smarty jones, esquimaux, roycej

    Lovely people, salt of the earth, all that stuff.  Now stop destroying the country and the planet with the idiots you elect of your own collective free will.

    Al que no le guste el caldo, le dan dos tazas.

    by Rich in PA on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:12:53 PM PDT

    •  Dude, that clinging to their religion and guns (1+ / 0-)
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      thing Obama said?

      He was talking about 51% of Wyoming.

      It ain't all that way, but yes, there are some frightened fucking people in the state. They're scared. They don't know how to deal with it, so they elect fucks like Enzi.

      •  Well, slap some sense into those motherfuckers (0+ / 0-)

        already, ok Walt??

        I'd have no problem with these idiots if they were merely huddled in their compounds, clinging to their guns and trembling in fear of such horrors as science, foreign languages, and brown people - but as Rich alluded, their disproportionately-influential votes grace us all with two more nut-job Senators who can be counted on to help obstruct the urgent changes we need to make as we try to steer our nation away from its Bush-era collision-course with the ditch of history.

        My answer to the diarist's title: I don't hate you because you're from Wyoming, I don't hate the state (actually, it's breathtakingly beautiful!), and I by no means hate people who want to live the small-town or rural life - but I'm fucking fed up with the America-killing political views apparently held by majorities in states like Idaho and Wyoming, and I hate the out-sized role that these states play in the Senate (damn you, Constitution-framers!!). As many have pointed out recently, thanks to that compromise way back when, each resident in Wyoming effectively has 70 times the voice in the Senate of a Californian. And they use it to elect Mike frickin' Enzi?

        I know these states are by no means Republican monoliths - you posters, and plenty of others like you provide a welcome blue counterbalance in the sea of red. Now how's about getting a good redneck populist like Jon Tester (far from perfect, I know, but far better than the alternative) on the ballot in your state - someone to call-out the bullshit corporatist whoring of your current Senators, and point out their ultimate failure to represent the bread-and-butter needs of their constituents!!  

  •  I've been to Wyoming (9+ / 0-)

    Saw your beatutiful Yellowstone.

    Just be grateful you aren't in Texas; because Texas bashing and southern bashing are waaaay more popular than western/Wuyoming bashing.

    tweetivism.comA cool tool to tweet your Congressmembers with Health Care Reform messages.

    by Catte Nappe on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:16:05 PM PDT

  •  I try to never judge any place, (4+ / 0-)

    or the people from that particular place, by the politicians that are from there.  

    Now, I'll be so impressed when people can apply this same logic to where I'M from (Washington, DC).  

    The era of "the era of big government is over" is over.

    by lungfish on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:17:28 PM PDT

  •  Lovely, lovely place (1+ / 0-)
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    I've had a large percentage of Perfect Moments up in the Bighorns.  Shell, Greybull, Banner, Story and Sheridan are beautiful towns.

    Also, the Gros Ventre range is a great place to get lost awhile.

    We demand that you set up a delicious buffet.

    by Dan Gallo on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:24:24 PM PDT

  •  Welcome to the club (0+ / 0-)

    I'm glad the South is getting a bit of a breather from the folks who have watched the Golden State turn into the Bear Republic.

    Wonder if these same folks want to allow Wyoming, Idaho, and Utah secede too.

  •  hm why would liberals dislike an R state like WY? (4+ / 0-)
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    smarty jones, roycej, h bridges, jgnyc

    No offense but when your state is as republican as WY or states in the south, you should expect that liberals aren't going to like that state, just as you would expect people who value civil liberties to dislike North Korea and other countries that heavily restrict civil liberties.

    No, of course not everyone living in WY is a RW idiot, but there are enough such people to elect scum like Enzi or Dick Cheney as a congressman (seriously what the hell is wrong with you people?).

    So please excuse me for disliking extremely red states whose values are antithetical to mine and whose duly elected representatives act to hamper legislation that would help people everywhere in our country.  I don't dislike YOU per se, but don't tell me you don't understand where I'm coming from.

    by darboy on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:34:36 PM PDT

    •  I can understand why liberals hate (1+ / 0-)
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      the politicians from WY, and resent the voters that elect them. But there is no reason to hate the people of Wyoming in general. They are just like the rest of us in every way, they just happen to be from Wyoming. But it's not just liberals that often hate WY, it's people from all political stripes. I think that hating Wyomingites is not a lot different than hating any minority group, and it's really sad to hear so many people in society constantly knocking the people of this one state.

      I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

      by doc2 on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 09:28:53 PM PDT

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      •  you have an interesting def of "minority group" (0+ / 0-)

        when the "people of Wyoming in general" elect people like Dick Cheney and Mike Enzi and Barbara Cubin, liberals aren't going to like them.  It's a fact.

        I'm not going to like Saudi Arabia, a fundamentalist state that heavily restricts the rights of women, because a few good people live there. I'll take individuals one by one, though.

        by darboy on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 04:47:05 AM PDT

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  •  I've driven through... (2+ / 0-)
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    on I-90 and spent the night in Gillette.  It is an interesting landscape.

    I learned more about WY when I was getting High Country News.  Do you read it?  Great info about those wide open western spaces.  I live on the Left Coast and there was some stuff relevant to us but more about WY, AZ, CO, ID, NM, etc.

  •  so what's the plan? (2+ / 0-)
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    tmo, smarty jones

    You live there. You're posting on Kos. Your vote in the electoral college and for senate is worth far more than mine. I'm guessing you receive more Federal money than you pay (as a state). If you want us small minded urban dwellers to stop being annoyed that you have a greater electoral influence on the Federal government than we do then get your neighbors to stop voting for right wing extremists and sold out industry shills. Or stop complaining.

    If you didn't like the news today, go out and make some of your own.

    by jgnyc on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:52:18 PM PDT

  •  Your neighbor to the south (2+ / 0-)
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    realalaskan, smileyman

    (Colorado) understands.  For people who have never driven through a state where the next 'services' are 80 miles away (and they really mean it) with gates to close the road at each end of town, they have no concept of why the mindset is different. You have to be pretty self reliant to live there and that is where the "keep the gov't out of my life" comes from.  The grazing on public land is to them a right because they consider the gov't is forcing them to pay for what was theirs in the first place.  Wyoming is a beautiful friendly place.  I think it is a western thing they just can't understand.

    Nature's laws are the invisible government of the earth - Alfred Montapert

    by whoknu on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:55:19 PM PDT

  •  I live in WV (1+ / 0-)
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    Trust me, the comments could be worse.  I've learned to just ignore that kind of ignorance when it crops up around here.

    I was just in WY, btw...hope to retire there, too.

    "I believe that ignorance is the root of all evil. And that no one knows the truth." - Molly Ivins

    by littlesky on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 07:55:41 PM PDT

  •  Oh good lord (6+ / 0-)

    not another regional oversensitivity diary. I live in Michele Bachmann's district, for god's sakes. I can sure as hell admit my district is about 50% ignorant rednecks. Why can't you?

  •  Don't feel bad (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm from a very urbane, city-loving, intellectual Jewish family and we've got our fair share of inbreeding in our family history!

  •  Just to clear something up (1+ / 0-)
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    Do you think Wyoming should have more fair representation?  What do you think should be done about the Electoral College, since it's pretty likely that it might be gone within the next 10 or 20 years due to the National Popular Vote Plan?

  •  Evanston pwns all! (1+ / 0-)
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    We love Evanston!  We can buy booze from a store not run by the government!  Darn recession cut the program at Wyoming Downs, though.

    We also like Jackson, even though we can't afford to go there any more.

    Here is a picture of a friendly Wyomingite that we met in Evanston.  


  •  I've always been sickened by the (1+ / 0-)
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    hatred toward Wyomingites you see in our society. I think the problem is simply that there aren't many people from Wyoming that have moved to other places; thus, most people are ignorant of what Wyomingites are like, and ignorance often breeds stereotypes and prejudices. Also, because there are so few of them, people can openly ridicule and spew hatred toward them and there are no others around to defend them. How so-called patriotic Americans can justify such hatred against people whose only crime is that they're from a lesser populated state called Wyoming is beyond me. It's really shameful.

    I'm in the pro-Obama wing of the Democratic Party.

    by doc2 on Fri Aug 28, 2009 at 09:21:59 PM PDT

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