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What would Jesus Do about Health Care?

Good Question.

Well it sounds, like he understood how Sick People need Doctors:

Mark 2:17 GWT

When Jesus heard that, he said to them, "Healthy people don't need a doctor; those who are sick do. I've come to call sinners, not people who think they have God's approval."

(emphasis added)

GOP Health Care Obstructionists, are you Listening???

The Pharisees, thought they were doing God's work too.

Imagine their surprise when this upstart Carpenter, from the old neighborhood, dared to stand up to their blatant self-righteousness ... and dish back to them some cold, hard truth ...

Perhaps one of the most relevant things this Carpenter had to say, to the self righteous religious leaders of that time, about caring for others, was this:

The Parable of the Good Samaritan
Luke 10:29-37 NIV

But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.

But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two silver coinse and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."

Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."

(emphasis added)


"Go and do likewise."  ... Hmmmm, good advice!

Sounds, like Jesus wants us to be more like the Good Samaritan, and less like "those who look the other way"!


Here's a few more words of wisdom, that our runway Profit-based Society, would be wise, to take to heart:

Proverbs 22:22 NIV

Do not exploit the poor because they are poor and do not crush the needy in court

1 John 3:17 NIV

If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?

Mark 8:36 NAS

For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?

Luke 12:15 NIV

Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

Proverbs 22:16 DRB

He that oppresseth the poor, to increase his own riches, shall himself give to one that is richer, and shall be in need.

(emphasis added)

And the Golden Rule (which is found in most Religions)
Luke 6:31 NAS

Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.

(emphasis added)


Interesting. What IF "the shoe were on the other foot", Obstructionists? Beware, because one day, it could be!

What if someone YOU cared about, were in such desperate need? Would you break open your wallet then?

What would give Public Health Care to the Sick, if it were Someone you cared about?

What if it were that stranger, left beaten, on the Street?
Would you stop to help then?


The Sheep and the Goats
Matthew 25:42-45

For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

"They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

"He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

(emphasis added)

Kind of sounds like Jesus identifies with, the Poor, the Sick, the Imprisoned. Sounds like he wanted people to Help the down-trodden, doesn't it?


Well, Now that we have some vague idea, about "What would Jesus Do about Health Care" --

Maybe we need to start asking those self-centered Health Care Obstructionists --

What will THEY Do? ... DO Now? ... in this Age of Unbridled Greed?


Will they dig deep into that well of compassion, like Good Samaritan?

Or will they simply "Look the other way", for the sake of political expediency?

Luke 10:33 NIV

But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.


Well, let's check the current record.

It kind of seems like the GOP will keep acting like the modern-day Pharisees ...

Here's Republican Senator Tom Coburn's reaction, when he see a desperate Person in dire need --

How can Coburn so coldly say:

Heal yourself!

(Psst Lady, just ask your Neighbors for Help -- BUT Don't ask the Government!)


http://www.youtube.com/...


Will the GOP keep acting like the modern-day self-centered Pharisees ...

Here's Republican Senator Chuck Grassley, telling someone he represents, Someone without adequate Health Care --

Go Get a Better Job, Man! -- Why don't you Go Work for the Government!

(and then you can be like me!)


http://www.youtube.com/...


It's amazing that the conservative Rightwingers justify their Health Care Obstructionists, like Grassley, with the Political need to Block Reform, with excuses like:

"Grassley's keeping a finger in the dike of Health Insurance Reform,
and keeping Republicans informed, so they can complain loudly" --

to enable them to just Keep On Obstructing!

Sen. Grassley Holds Town Hall on Health Care

http://www.youtube.com/...


Here are a few introspective Questions for those modern-day hypocrites (especially those who get their Talking Points from Fox News) --

Are you acting like the "Good Samaritan"?

Are you looking out for "the least among us"?

Are you really?

Dudes, WWJD?

What will YOU do, about helping the Sick and Needy?  

About helping the 1 in 7 Americans WITHOUT Health Insurance?
About the 1 Million Americans who go bankrupt each year for lack of adequate Health Insurance?

Remember, there, but for the Grace of God, go I ...

Mark 8:36 NAS

For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?


We each must choose ... which Values to pursue, in Life:

Luke 16:13 NAS

"No servant can serve two masters; [...]
You cannot serve God and Wealth."

(emphasis added)


Choose wisely ... and Live wisely ...

Decide to HELP your Neighbor ... no matter WHAT their stature in Life currently happens to be.

Because, THAT IS what Jesus would Do!

(or so his teachings, would imply ...)

Is Health Care a Right, a Privilege, or simply a MUST HAVE that WE need to provide to fulfill our Human Condition???

Hypocrites -- Must one day face, the Consequences of their Deeds --
That Day can't arrive soon enough ...


............... also posted on on DocuDharma

Originally posted to Digging up those Facts ... for over 8 years. on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM PDT.

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  •  Tips (10+ / 0-)

    Not trying to Preach here, lol.

    Just trying to identify, a useful Frames, to get the Care,

    that So Many People, desperately need.


    The Hypocrites, need to be challenged!

    It may just be time to fight fire, with fire?

    (if not, Peace dudes.)

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell

    by jamess on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 12:55:50 PM PDT

    •  Interesting legal case.. (1+ / 0-)
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      jamess

      SCOTUS Pegram et al. v. Herdrich in 2000

      Evidently, according to SCOTUS, the function of HMOS is to ration care, to deliver less than needed care...

      God save us from these people..

      "Like other risk bearing organizations, HMOs take steps to control costs. [Among these] are specific financial incentives to physicians, rewarding them for decreasing utilization of healthcare services, and penalizing them for excessive treatment. Hence, an HMO physician’s financial interest lies in providing less care, not more.... Inducement to ration care is the very point of any HMO scheme "

      People in this nation die due to lack of health care. The estimates vary from 18,000 to 101,000 a year, depending on how you measure preventable deaths

      by Andiamo on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:17:18 PM PDT

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    •  Extending the Samaritan parallel (1+ / 0-)
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      I would have to say the Republicans are the modern day Pharisees. Boy, Jesus has some bad things to say about those dudes...

      •  that is the Frame, I was going for (0+ / 0-)

        The Pharisees were self righteous Hypocrites, then,

        just as many of the GOP are now!


        AND if there's one thing Independents (and Libruls too), can't stand --

        it's Hypocrisy!

        thx for the comment north40th

        In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell

        by jamess on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:52:45 PM PDT

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    •  Already diaried...but YOURS IS BETTER... (1+ / 0-)
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      jamess

      Tipped and Rec'd. Well done, my friend.

  •  Jesus doing it = OK. (3+ / 0-)
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    marykk, jamess, Benintn

    Government doing it = Not Okay.

    So where are all the churches setting up hospitals with free health care for those in need, again?

    Jerry Falwell and his Moral Minority who hijacked the Christians in this country have a lot of evil to answer for.

    Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

    by allergywoman on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:01:56 PM PDT

    •  Didn't Jesus say (0+ / 0-)

      render unto Caesar (ie Govt) the things that are Caesar's

      and render unto God the things that are God's

      ??

      Denying People Care to save their lives,
      or which forces their financial ruin,
      seems to be a "service" to neither God, nor Govt.

      Where is the common sense, Where is the compassion?

      Where's is the justification, for this irrational behavior?

      Profits for Corporation, just doesn't cut it --
      or at least, it shouldn't.

      thx for the feedback allergywoman

      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell

      by jamess on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 02:07:49 PM PDT

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  •  Well, according to a FP RedHate post (3+ / 0-)
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    this is what.

    It has to be shown, Jamess, since you asked.

    Yes.  It is VERY frightening as to their mindset.  

    What Would Jesus Do? Promote Liberal Policy, Using a Child at a Funeral, Natch!

    Posted by Lori_Z  

    Saturday, August 29th at 7:38PM EDT

    I debated posting this video, because it is a child. If I had found a transcript, I would have used it instead. But, I’m hoping people will be mindful that it is a child, mourning for his Grandpa. The fact that he is being exploited to spout policy promotion that he likely doesn’t even understand is on the Adults, not on him.

    I post it only to show the hypocrisy and the gross opportunism prevalent on the left and on vile display during this entire week filled with
    nauseating Kennedy hagiography

    Oh, yes.  There is more.  The video is, of course, the Kennedy grandchildren praying that their Grandfather and the people of the USA receive better treatment including healthcare for all as was their Grandfathers' wishes.

    More.

    What Would Jesus Do? We are to believe that he would wink away negligent homicide in favor of Obamacare, evidently. Homicide? No big whoop; the REAL danger is tonsil poaching and feet pilfering by evil profiteering doctors. Profits are the true sin, you know.
    I know I’m a somewhat lapsed Presbyterian, but I must have totally missed the part in Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount when he said "Give us this day our Government Run Health Care". I also don’t recall Jesus ever saying "Tithing to charity? Meh. Thou Shall Giveth it all to The Government". I probably subconsciously squelched it, as I am an evil Conservative and, as such, clearly must hate children and poor people and want them to get sick.

    The funeral procession later went on to the Capitol Building where it was to stop once again for a prayer. I think it went something like this "Blessed are those who will pass Cap and Trade. And Obama said, Let there be more expensive, unaffordable Light".

    Funny, the Left is constantly mocking many on the Right for their faith. What’s worse? Being honestly faithful (or "bitter clingers holding onto to their bibles" as Obama prefers to refer to those of Faith) or USING faith and invoking Jesus’ name, claiming to know what POLICY Jesus would favor, when it’s convenient to you?

    Worse, the staggering hypocrisy when it comes to children. Sarah Palin had her children on stage with her at the convention. They came up to congratulate their Mommy. She picked up her baby and held him because she loves him and she is proud of him. This was called "pimping" her children, exploiting them, using them. How dare she? Satan!

    But having a MOURNING CHILD pray tearfully for policy, for Obamacare ... at a funeral .. that’s appropriate and something "private". I’m sure we on the Right will be eviscerated for even pointing it out. Like Chappaquiddick, we aren’t supposed to notice. It doesn’t fit the narrative. Or if we do notice, we are supposed to think it is all worth it; that the ends justify the means.

    The entire funeral was used as an Obamacare rally. Some sacred moment. Some faith.

    Dear Left: Since you are apparently now big on Jesus, you may want to study up on something he actually DID say:

    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Luckily, we bitter clingers DO know that passage. And we know wolves when we see them (and not the aerial-hunting kind).

    They just don't fucking get it.  They cannot, they will not and they do NOT WANT TO.

    The lives they live are those of deceiving themselves, everyone they come in contact with and knowing that no one buys their bullshit.

    It's sad.  It's wrong.  It is America; the 30% who can't stand the idea that there is a black man in their White House.

    If there was a Jesus and he had one wish, these people would be eradicated or at minimum, as in the stories Jesus was a forgiving kinda guy, they would be removed from the gene pool.

    If God had been a Liberal, we wouldn't have had the ten commandments. We'd have had the ten suggestions.

    by funluvn1 on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:21:29 PM PDT

    •  thx for the counter points funluvn1 (0+ / 0-)

      there's no accounting for "stupid", I guess.

      Trouble is, most of the Republicans,
      should know better --

      But they're still living out "the Dream" --
      that St Ronnie left them!

      ya know, the one about "the Rising Tide, that will lift All Boats".


      Trouble is their Boats are way too small,

      and that Tide, thanks to W's and Greenspan's Policies of Greed,

      has come and gone, and left most of us "high and dry"!

      It may be time, for a "New Lifeboat" metaphor --
      one big enough to hold everyone?

      Course that would be,
      they would need to return to their Jesus roots, lol.

      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell

      by jamess on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:49:19 PM PDT

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  •  Alas Jesus Preached About Individual Behavior (1+ / 0-)
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    not state behavior. Closest he came was his criticisms of his own clergy.

    Our fundamentalists acknowledge all that teaching but they insist that it's the responsibility of church and personal charity.

    Their Constitution forbids raising taxes or levies to promote the general Welfare. Some of the libertarians among them frame it as taking their money by violence.

    I doubt this line of argument has much utility. The moderates don't much disagree with the principle of government offering services, while the wingnuts fundamentally do and really aren't contradicted in that interpretation even by Jesus' teachings.

    To the extent independents are moving right, it's because we haven't been marketing hard as the right has, and I personally think it's because most people don't know the state of our health system whereas Obama's whole approach assumes they do.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 01:51:40 PM PDT

    •  interesting points Gooserock (0+ / 0-)

      but isn't Individual Behavior, and personal responsibility --

      aren't they, the siren calls that get Conservatives, to sit up,
      and do that "introspection check"?

      ie. If Health Care, were made a Moral Issue

      on terms they could understand (like the Good Samaritan)

      wouldn't they be more inclined to "See the Need"?


      Now the role of Taxes, and Govt, is a whole other matter --

      But THAT shouldn't eclipse the Moral Imperative of Helping the Needy.


      If community-based solutions actually worked to meet the Need --

      Why do we have such worsening Crises in the areas

      of Unemployment, Poverty, and Lack of Health Care?

      Are those things, part of "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness"?

      In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell

      by jamess on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 02:01:37 PM PDT

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    •  Um... I beg to differ (1+ / 0-)
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      The Politics of Jesus by John Howard Yoder points to the radical political philosophy that Jesus espoused.

      There are plenty of instances where Jesus talked about politics and political action.

      "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to God what is God's." Mark 12:17

      "The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. They tie up heavy burdens (hard to carry) and lay them on people's shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them. All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels.  They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues,
      greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation 'Rabbi.'  As for you, do not be called 'Rabbi.' You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers. Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. Do not be called 'Master'; you have but one master, the Messiah. The greatest among you must be your servant.  Whoever exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.  Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites. You lock the kingdom of heaven before human beings. You do not enter yourselves, nor do you allow entrance to those trying to enter." Matthew 23:1-13

  •  Martin Luther King's take: (1+ / 0-)
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    And so the first question that the Levite asked was, "If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?" But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: "If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?"

    That's from his I've Been to the Mountaintop sermon, given the day before his death.

    The message of Christianity has NEVER been to always put yourself first.  Any other interpretation is false to me.

    The truth always matters.

    by texasmom on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 02:38:37 PM PDT

  •  But I still haven't found what I'm looking for (0+ / 0-)

    U2 Still Haven't Found (with lyrics)

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    The search for compassion, in our lifetimes,
    continues ...

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell

    by jamess on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 07:23:48 PM PDT

  •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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    Wonderful diary

  •  Al Franken tells the tale of "Supply side Jesus" (0+ / 0-)

    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act -- George Orwell

    by jamess on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 06:16:40 PM PDT

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