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Two new polls emerged at the end of the week from the New Jersey Governor's race, and there is cause for both a bit of trepidation and a bit of joy in the Corzine camp.

The bad news: both polls show consistent leads for Chris Christie, when compared to polls released at the dawn of his flood of bad news days. The good news: Governor Corzine's numbers have rebounded somewhat, and both pollsters seem to think that Christie might not be able to close the deal.

The new poll from Rasmussen has GOP nominee Chris Christie leading 46-38 (with Independent Chris Daggett at 6%). Rasmussen noted, however, that Christie's lead was just four points before leaners were pushed. Notably, Corzine's approval numbers ticked up since the last Ras poll, whereas Christie's favorabilities have taken a dive. Rasmussen, for their part, seems a little bearish on Christie: "The GOP campaign may be like a baseball team heading into the late innings with a lead but lacking a reliable closer. They’re happy to be ahead but can’t wait for the game to end so they can breathe again."

Similar trends were apparent in a new survey by Democracy Corps, which has Christie staked to just a three-point edge (41-38-10). In that survey, Christie's favorabilities are as mediocre as you can get (33-33).

In other news out of the Garden State, Christie's running mate, Sheriff Kim Guadagno stepped in it recently, when she told a crowd that because she worked as a faculty member at a Rutgers installation in Newark, she knew what it was like to be afraid to cross the street. Leaving aside the fact that, according to Blue Jersey's Jeff Gardner, that faculty at Rutgers Newark get secured parking, someone from the Christie message discipline team should probably be dispatched to their LG nominee before she makes a comment about being afraid to cross streets.

After all, if we've learned nothing else this last month, it is that Chris Christie's driving skills leave a bit to be desired. And, given that Guadagno pitched up such a slow curve right in the wheelhouse, Gardner at Blue Jersey can be forgiven for taking a big swing at it (emphasis is Gardner's):

I'm sure urban fear-mongering goes over well at Christie campaign functions, so maybe "tough" sheriff Guadagno thought she could get away with some gratuitous Newark-bashing.

But seriously, the only thing Guadagno has to fear about walking across the street in Newark is the off chance that Chris Christie is driving on that same street.

Be careful sheriff - and make sure to look both ways before you cross (even if it's a one-way)!

Team Christie is probably hoping that this coming week can be a gaffe-free week.

It has been a good long while since the nominee has had the pleasure of such a week.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:16 PM PDT.

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  •  PLEASE send Corzine-Weinberg some cash (11+ / 0-)

    There are MANY reasons why this race is so important.  Here's a sample: in Chris Christie's New Jersey, marriage equality is DEAD.  Don't ask me, just look at Christie's website, where he says just that.

    Pragmatic progressivism is the future.

    by Pragmaticus on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:21:38 PM PDT

  •  Markos Moulitsas (2+ / 0-)
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    agent, Jeff Y

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has determined that the primary cause of global warming is the radiance of His charisma.

    While many have been able to swim across the English Channel, He is the only one to walk across.

    In the grand scheme of things, He is truly Lennon/McCartney...and the rest of us are merely Ringo.

    He is – quite simply – the most interesting man alive.

  •  Christie is toast ... (3+ / 0-)
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    Corzine better ramp things up ... cause NJ doesn't serve Christie .. despite its faults

    •  Big Trouble in Goopertown NJ.... (2+ / 0-)
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      Team Christie is probably hoping that this coming week can be a gaffe-free week.
      It has been a good long while since the nominee has had the pleasure of such a week.

      Problem for them is that summer is over and people are paying attention....and it's entirly possible they may notice a wheel or two falling off the GOP Express To Nowheresville.

      They will lose. Again. And we just take a lesson from this? There is nothing, and I say again, nothing to fear from the GOP. It would be nice if some people started to realize this.....

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 06:35:27 PM PDT

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  •  'fraid to cross the street .. (4+ / 0-)

    [best Jerry Lewis voice]

    "Laaaaaaadie !!!
    Nice dogwhistle!"

  •  They need to go super negative on Christie (7+ / 0-)

    NJ voters have already made up their minds about Corzine -- and they don't like him. They have to be persuaded to come back into the fold, and the way to do it is to keep hammering home the point that Christie is  EVERYTHING they don't want in a Governor.

    •  Victory from disliking the other guy more..... (2+ / 0-)
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      Works for me.....

      it tastes like burning...

      by eastvan on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 06:36:25 PM PDT

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    •  I totally agree with you on that fact. I speak to (5+ / 0-)
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      dufffbeer, John DE, CParis, MrJersey, Jeff Y

      people, Dems and independents, Corzine is not popular. Dems in my county feel ignored by our governor. They all sound frustrated. I just received the e-mail saying Gov Corzine is coming to Warren county, and we all need to pay $300 to see the governor. I exploded. This is our governor who is polling behind his opponent, and who ever is organizing this for him is making it difficult to connect with people by hiking the charge to attend his event. I said kiss my butt if he think he is too important to talk to me.Money is not going to give him a vote. He needs to connect with his base.

      But on the other hand a thought of Chris Christie winning NJ is a nightmare to me. Christie is a bully, and you know who will come flying to NJ. Sarah Palin. Grrrrrrrrr Noooooo
      This is driving me nuts, knowing that my own govenor that I support is not doing a good job connecting with people. I still have his flyers in my garage. I got them when I attended his Biden and Obama rally with him.

      The problem with my gorvenor is that, he assumes he will win by default. He does not know every vote counts. He has decided to stay away from areas like Warren County and other parts that are dominated by republicans. The problem is, Chris Christie is reaching out to Corzine's base without fear. He took a bus tour on labor day to Camden and toured the south and  central Jersey inclunding Trenton. Why is my Governor afraid to come to Warren County, when we are here campaining for him. What is he afraid off? I live here and I am not afraid.
      I have not seen him, in this area not once to connect with his base, Dems and Independent in this county. We have 14000 registered Dems and independent who voted Democract in the past 2 election. Our Dem office which was opened by the Obama campaign where I voluntered is always open and we all volunteer giving out flyers and information, except our governor or his staff have failed to reach out to this base.why can't our governor take advantage of it. This is depressing.
      I am saying this because I live in Warren county, and Republicans are showing off saying that My governor has no message to sell to Warren county. they are saying this

      Democrats will have to work hard to get their message out. Warren county is solidly Republican and US Rep. Scott Garrett, R- Warren and Leonard Lance, R Hunterdon who have openly opposed the president's health reform policy are all Republicans

      Sunday we are rallying for Health Care reform in Hackettstown. And they are teasing us. Ask me where the Lt Governor will be while we will be demostrating. Having dinner with the state committee in some other location.
      I thought it would have been nice for the LT governor to show up and give support to the health Care Reform. If President Obama came all the way to help our Governor, why can't our Governor do the same, by showing up at our rally and say a word of support. Nada. Zero He and his lt are too important and busy people. We have to pay  if we need him to be around us. You must be kidding me
      Anyway , I will still vote for him simply because I can not stand Chris Christie. But I need to speak my mind. I am not happy

  •  I've always believed Corzine will win. (6+ / 0-)

    One guy is a governor people love to hate, for whatever reason(s).  The other guy is a buffoon who people can't really imagine as governor--they just want to stick it to Corzine.  But they'd really be sticking it to themselves and I doubt they're so self-hating.  Not to pick on other Democratic governors in the Mid-Atlantic region, including my own, but Corzine has been an infinitely better captain of his state through the economic crisis than either of the other two, and that's in the middle of an election cycle to boot.

    Al que no le guste el caldo, le dan dos tazas.

    by Rich in PA on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:44:00 PM PDT

    •  Yes he will win by default simply we all (2+ / 0-)
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      Because we can not imagine the Bully Christie as NJ Governor. The truth is many Dems are not happy with our Gorvenor, that is what is giving me a nightmare.

      We can not let Repubs take over new Jersey. This is how Dems lost warren Count NJ to republicans. They have never recovered it. Do not make that mistake, in order to punish Corzine. It will be a big mistake, voting for Christie just to teach Corzine a lesson. I call it suicidal. Ask Dems in Warren Count how they lost all offices to republicans.

    •  ok... (0+ / 0-)

      Corzine has been an infinitely better captain of his state through the economic crisis

      How so? I am not challenging you, but I'd like to know.

  •  I just watched the documentary "Street Fight"... (3+ / 0-)
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    in which Chris Christie's USAG office was called in to monitor the 2002 Newark Mayoral election.

    Not that this really has fuck-all to do with this post.

    :-)

  •  Downtown Newark, where Rutgers (7+ / 0-)

    is located, is not a place where people are afraid to cross the street.  Nice try on the fear card.

    The reason we hold truth in such respect is because we have so little opportunity to get familiar with it. --Mark Twain

    by Desert Rose on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:45:22 PM PDT

    •  It's University Heights (3+ / 0-)
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      It's not exactly the safest of places, but if she's afraid to cross the street there, she lacks the courage to represent the people of New Jersey.

      But don't forget that most men without property would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. (1776)

      by banjolele on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:58:13 PM PDT

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      •  University Heights is just fine (0+ / 0-)

        she was pandering to the exurban idiots.  That area and the area surrounding NJPAC have seen lots of people (of all colors) coming out to enjoy music, art, food, etc.

        Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. ~ Naploeon Bonaparte

        by CParis on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 06:17:47 PM PDT

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  •  Maddening (7+ / 0-)

    Sheriff Kim Guadagno stepped in it recently, when she told a crowd that because she worked as a faculty member at a Rutgers installation in Newark, she knew what it was like to be afraid to cross the street. Leaving aside the fact that, according to Blue Jersey's Jeff Gardner, that faculty at Rutgers Newark get secured parking, someone from the Christie message discipline team should probably be dispatched to their LG nominee before she makes a comment about being afraid to cross streets.

    Many years ago, I attended NJIT, which is spitting distance from the Rutgers/Newark campus. At the time, there were a couple of areas that it was WIDELY known by just about anyone in Northern Jersey where your grandmother could walk the streets unescorted at night in comfort and safety: Ironbound and the college campuses. Sherriff Guadagno thinks memories of the Newark riots will shield her on this gaff. The reality of Corey Booker-run Newark makes this a palpable farce.

    Medicare: Government-run Health Care since 1965

    by Egalitare on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:46:18 PM PDT

  •  Sounds like it ain't over til it's over (2+ / 0-)
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    with this one. Corzine's ratings may be going up because the economy seems to be improving. Also,  Obama's good week may be rubbing off on him.  I think many democrats have felt a little better this week about democratic officials. Joe Wilson, sure isn't giving dems or independents a reason to vote republican.

    Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

    by Sherri in TX on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:46:56 PM PDT

  •  Oh man... (3+ / 0-)
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    I just heard a huge boom here in Los Angeles.  Totally freaked me out, and now I just realized it was the space shuttle Discovery re-entering the Earth's atmosphere that caused it.  Whew.

    Oh.  Um.  Go Corzine!  (bringing it back to the topic)

  •  NJ is the GOP'S Lucy (2+ / 0-)
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    Always holding out that electoral football, always snatching it away with about 10 days to go.

    I hope the GOP sends LOTS of cash into the state.  It'll be money well wasted.

    Dear Mr. President, There are too many states nowadays. Please eliminate three.
    P.S. I am not a crackpot.
    -Abe Simpson

    by fromer on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 05:59:25 PM PDT

    •  adding... (4+ / 0-)

      ...who the hell in NJ is paying attention to this race right now, besides politicos?

      The Phillies and Yankees are going to the postseason, football is starting up, and the shore season just ended.

      Christie has nowhere to go but down.

      Dear Mr. President, There are too many states nowadays. Please eliminate three.
      P.S. I am not a crackpot.
      -Abe Simpson

      by fromer on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 06:01:09 PM PDT

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      •  Funny you should say this (3+ / 0-)
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        I live in NJ and this article is the first to mention who is running on the ticket with Christie. Not one of the many Christie ads I have seen even mentioned Guadango. I do not know where you live but for those not familiar with NJ, NJ state constitution was amended in the last several years to create the office of lieutenant governor. This is the first election for the position.

        Healthcare is a human right, not a commodity.

        by nomorerepukes on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 07:51:19 AM PDT

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        •  I would think it a surprise to a majority of (1+ / 0-)
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          Jersey voters that they will be voting for a Lt. Gov. in this election.  The entire concept of a Lt. Gov. is something of a mystery to Jersey voters.  When asked what the duties of the Lt. Governor will be, I would would bet that 99% have no idea other than someone who would step in for the Gov. should the Gov. become incapacitate or worse.

          And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

          by MrJersey on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 12:33:36 PM PDT

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          •  It will be a mystery to me as well. (0+ / 0-)

            Until I get the sample ballot I will not know if the vote for lt. gov. is by itself or if it is bundled with the gov. so say nothing about who is running for the position.

            Healthcare is a human right, not a commodity.

            by nomorerepukes on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 08:45:37 PM PDT

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        •  Why the hell do we need a Lieutenant Governor? (0+ / 0-)

          We made it for hundreds of years without one.

          A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire

          by Dirtandiron on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 04:56:24 PM PDT

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  •  outsider question (1+ / 0-)
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    Being from Minnesota, I don't know much about NJ state politics. What exactly is the source of Corzine's low approval rating?

    I'm trying to think of times I have heard about him in the news and the only thing I can remember is when he was in a serious car accident.

    On the downside, I imagine that former Goldman Sachs executives aren't any more popular in New Jersey than they are anywhere else.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 06:20:40 PM PDT

    •  well... (0+ / 0-)

      I can't think of a single reason to vote for him. I can think of lots of reasons to vote against Christie, but not one to vote for Corzine.

      TBH, I don't believe Corzine has earned the right to be re-elected.

      For me, this is what this comes down to - do I vote for Corzine because I'm afraid of a Christie administration (and don't want to battle wingnuts online crowing about a GOP 'resurgence')? It strikes me as an awful reason to vote for anyone.

      I've been reading about Chris Daggett and like what I hear. Maybe? What if Christie wins because of Dems like me who end up going to Daggett? Is my need to not cast a vote borne out of cynicism really that great?

      •  You are not alone. But remember this, Between (3+ / 0-)
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        CParis, agent, Tomsank

        Christie and Corzine, I would keep Corzine, not that I am in favor, but simply because Christie's list of disadivantages, beats Corzine.

        Other than that, I zip my big mouth, because we can not take ourselves backwards to the 1600s in NJ. What I have in Warren County is enough for republicans.

        Check my blog my post I wrote on June 2 2009. Elephants. Go see what I deal with everyday.
        http://bilia.wordpress.com/...

        •  the message is loud and clear (0+ / 0-)

          Christie sucks. I get it. No snark there at all, I really do get it. I won't be voting for him. Not gonna happen.

          But that still leaves open the question, do I vote for Corzine? If so, why? Voting for the lesser of two evils is cynical, perhaps too cynical for my tastes. Maybe I'm better off sitting it out? Maybe I'm better off voting for CD who I know won't win but has a message and tone I like (if not agree with 100%)? I don't know. I'm undecided.

          •  I checked out Chris Daggett, he is very positive (2+ / 0-)
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            But we all know he will not win. Come on Agent, we need to stay blue for heaven sake, we do not let this bully in. I am having nightmares. I live in this bully's base, and all I hear is hate message, towards anyone who does not fit in their cat.
            I am just a stuborn person.I am speaking from my own experiences.

            I wished Daggett who is independent, though his idiology is more republican, can gain some point. He caucases with the GOPs, so that is  a NADA for me.

          •  Remember where the vote for Ralph Nader in (2+ / 0-)
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            Florida left the nation.  A vote for Daggett will do the same for New Jersey.

            And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

            by MrJersey on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 12:49:03 PM PDT

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      •  Corzine voted "No" on Iraq War Resolution (4+ / 0-)
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        I was proud of him for that vote.  Showed good judgement, too.  How would Christie have voted?  I never heard of Daggett before this year.  Why should I think he could get anything done, especially as an independent?  Independents are lame ducks from the get-go, aren't they?  In the state legislature, neither party will have any interest in working with a governor who is an independent.  

        Taxes are the big gripe here, of course, but no governor can do much.  Corzine tried to consolidate school districts and I don't think that went any where but its a big factor in property taxes.

        •  a governors vote on the iraq war (0+ / 0-)

          Is not really all that meaningful, is it?

          As for him trying to consolidate school districts, I don't recall his effort being anything more than perfunctory.

        •  True. Taxes are too high, but Christie does not (4+ / 0-)
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          have any idea how he is going to bring down taxes. He is an empty bucket running on Corzine ideas.
          I can give you numbers from the republican base. They brag about spending less. Ask them how they took a small borough of washington in a deep hole. $17k, town flooded by the republican leadership.
          I can not stand their hypocritical political point of view, when it comes to spending and what they call moral issues.
          No one will ever sell me the republican doctrine. They will have to work hard to make me jump on their side. I have seen too much. Sorry  Christie kiss my butt.

          No vote from me.

          •  This is so true (2+ / 0-)
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            Remember Bret Schundler running on school vouchers as the cure for high property taxes?  Like all the kids would go into private schools that cost, maybe 20% of what the public schools cost.  He actually had commercials with the school voucher nonsense at the beginning of the race but eventually dropped it completely.  

            The private schools don't exist!  How many kids could the existing ones take and how much would that save?  Probably nothing; it would probably cost more because there are no economies of scale if you only take a couple kids out of every class.  Meanwhile, you're handing state money to people who already have their children in the private schools.  

            To me, that Schundler stuff just typified Republican phoniness.  But he was a big deal for a while, with a lot of Wall Street Journal editorial writers and conservative TV pundits singing his praises.

            •  you sometimes have to take the bad with the good (1+ / 0-)
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              New Jersey always scores at the top in income, HS/college grads, etc.  Some of our high taxes do end up doing some good.
              Most of the states with very low taxes have crappy schools, high infant mortality, etc.

              Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. ~ Naploeon Bonaparte

              by CParis on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 06:24:49 PM PDT

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          •  Remember Whitman cut NJ income taxes? (0+ / 0-)

            Left the state budget in a sh*thole, municipalities had to raise property taxes to cope with loss of state funds.  Remember the Parsons debacle, privatization of the DMV?

            Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. ~ Naploeon Bonaparte

            by CParis on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 06:22:29 PM PDT

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      •  Why don't you check out Corzine's record? (4+ / 0-)
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        Corzine has tried to do many positive things, including ethics reform which the legislature blocked.  He also sided with Loretta Weinberg against the Democratic machine in Bergen County. He was dealt a rough deal on the economy - pharmaceutical layoffs and mergers, start of gaming in Pennsylvania and  the financial crisis.  He also has been trying to correct the fiscal crisis caused by Christine Whitman's borrowing against the state pension funds to fund her tax cuts.  He has been willing to take stands that he believes are right for NJ even if it hurts him with his base - such as going to court with the goal of spreading education funding more evenly throughout the state rather than concentrating in a few urban districts. Also is trying to raise money to finance open space through a bond issue that will be voted on in November.   NJ laws require a balanced budget which have limited his ability to fill some of his progressive goals. Also remember that property taxes are controlled locally and are the result of a state with close to 600 municipalities, many of which are very small, resulting in lots of inefficiencies and overhead.

        Please check things out before you make up your mind.  Remember a possible reason why Bush became President - a third party candidate named Nader.  

        •  how so? (0+ / 0-)

          He also has been trying to correct the fiscal crisis caused by Christine Whitman's borrowing against the state pension funds to fund her tax cuts.

          Trying, how?

          And yes, your point about the newly updated school funding formula is well taken.

      •  A vote for Daggett is a vote for Christie since (2+ / 0-)
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        Daggett has a 0% chance of winning.  Yes, Corzine doesn't give anyone a warm and fuzzy feeling, but in the current arena of Jersey politics, it's the choice between sensibility and a disaster.

        And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

        by MrJersey on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 12:37:02 PM PDT

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    •  Corzine hasn't been a politician very long - (4+ / 0-)
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      just since 2000 when he ran for Senate.  Both of his races have been statewide so he doesn't have a political base in an area of the state.  He spent a lot of his own money on his 2 political races and I guess that bothers some people though his opponent for governor in 2005 was also pretty much self-financed and spent probably as much as Corzine.

      The state has intractable problems like very high taxes because of many layers of government.  Corzine wanted to do something about that but I guess property taxes will have to double in a year before people are willing to give up "local control."  All those layers of government have a role in the corruption, too.  There are so many people who would take a pay-off.  

    •  Corzine approval rating (2+ / 0-)
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      Corzine campaigned promising to deal with the deficit Christine Whitman created with her tax cuts for the wealthy and playing the stock market with state workers pension funds. In all fairness , Dem. Gov. McGreveey did nothing to alleviate the deficit problem. Corzine was handed a mess, very much like Obama was and is getting blamed for it.

    •  Jersey people don't like Corzine because they (2+ / 0-)
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      don't like anyone.  The political culture in certain parts of the state are riddled with corruption that defies any resolution and there is an interlocking web of state, county and municipal government that provides patronage and support to the continuation of that system.  We are a small state, but have a crazily large number of municipal education jusridictions, each having an educational bureaucracy that costs lots of money, but no one wants to give any of the "local control" to anyone else and consolidate.  Jersey voters want lower taxes but don't want to give up any control or services.  It's like the "lite beer" state: the electorate wants something that less filling, but tastes great!  They want lower taxes but everything to stay the same.  Something that we all know will never happen, yet each candidate for Governor says they will make it happen, and of course, it never does, or the efforts to do so make everyone unhappy.  That's why Corzine has low approval and why should Christie win, his approval will plummet within the first year that he is in office.

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 12:47:19 PM PDT

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  •  Sorry but Chris Christie (1+ / 0-)
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    is the most unattractive candidate I have seen in a long time, I know this not how to pick a governor but I can't help it.  The fact that he is a republican may have something to do with it, please pray for me I know I need help.

    We all don't start with zero

    by BeeClone on Fri Sep 11, 2009 at 07:06:52 PM PDT

  •  Unfortunately, having grown up in Jersey, (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure how much of a gaffe that really is. Being afraid to cross the street in  Newark is very possibly going to resonate with a lot of people. And not just suburban voters. And we are not just talking about crossown traffic.                                                                                              

  •  Who ya gonna trust? (0+ / 0-)

    A banker from Goldman Sachs or an Attorney General from the Bush administration?

    I call this race a tossup.

  •  Corzine has done nothing to (0+ / 0-)

    limit the power of the public employees unions which are the source of New Jersey's fiscal woes. There needs to be a law stating that no public employee can get a raise higher than the rate of inflation and you will see property taxes stabilized.

    No doubt the fact that we have 566 municipalities when we should have about 200 worsens the property tax mess but the key is getting some degree of control over the wages and benefits of public employees. We have cops in crime free suburban towns making over 100,000 a year which is madness.

      Any candidate for Governor who would stand up to the public employee unions would get my vote but Bush tool Christie is just as gutless as Corzine on this issue.

    •  Then why are the unions not happy with him? (3+ / 0-)
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      CParis, MrJersey, Dirtandiron

      Part of Corzine's problem is he forced the unions to make some concessions.  Also there were furloughs.  The last I heard the CWA has not yet endorsed him.  

      Many of the nicer communities can afford to pay more and do because they want the most qualified people.  The people of NJ are not willing to make the necessary choices either.  They want lower property taxes, but they also don't want services cut and they want competent administrators and public employees.

    •  Sure, blame the public employees who keep the (2+ / 0-)
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      crime free suburban towns crime free.  This criticism of public employees  sounds like someone I heard on a television news sound byte talking about a teachers strike and stating that the teacher's demands were outrageous with the comment "If those teachers were to get those salary increases, they would make almost as much as my husband"  Imagine that, teachers being paid a living wage for educating her kids.

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Sat Sep 12, 2009 at 12:59:35 PM PDT

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  •  Its not just the wealthy towns (0+ / 0-)

    which are being bled by the public employee unions. Its the working class town also,what happens is the arbitrators look at the latest raises and wont go below it,one town is played off against the other.

    This is not a left-right issue. Ask any councilmember or Board of Ed.Member,left or right and they will give you the same story. The unions are killing them.I live in Fair Lawn,a town run by mosly left people and they will complain just as loudly about the wages and benefits as the rightists.

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