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Simply put, it's looking as if Max Baucus is in the exact same position as the CEO of a horrible company.  His really is serving the demands of his constituents/shareholders - but his constituents/shareholders seem to be interested in destroying health care reform, and thus handing political power to the Republicans, even at the cost of American lives.

Simply put, for the Democratic party, it is a choice between tradition, and the future of the Democratic party and the American people.  It's a choice between keeping a man with openly stated poisonous intentions in a position of high power, and the lives of millions of people over time.  

STRIP 'CHAIRMAN' BAUCUS OF HIS SENATE CHAIRMANSHIP.  

There is no justification for allowing him to represent all Democrats in this capacity.  There is no justification to simply allow our nation to continue to walk this path of delay and destruction.  The Democratic party must serve the nation's interests before tradition - and it must save itself from utter decimation (at least) of the party, and our nation's people.

STRIP 'CHAIRMAN' BAUCUS OF HIS SENATE CHAIRMANSHIP.  

Originally posted to Ryan in FL on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:27 PM PDT.

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Should Max Baucus be Stripped of his Senate Finance Chairmanship position?

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  •  Throw the bum out! (2+ / 0-)

    Will it really happen?

    I doubt it...

    "Ridicule may lawfully be employed where reason has no hope of success."

    by QuestionAuthority on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:29:18 PM PDT

  •  I'd love to. Can you outline how this might be (5+ / 0-)

    done?  Thanks.

    •  Start a movement! (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      appledown, Floande, whaddaya

      Get Rachael Maddow and Keith Olberman to float this - get everyone talking about it - start making it possible.  This should be something FAR more common in American politics.  This is entirely an in-party decision, and there are no real limits on what is allowed inside the party in terms of deciding who gets what position in the party.

  •  Not going to happen, but (7+ / 0-)

    there should definitely be "term limits" for committee chairs.

  •  That would require Harry Reid (14+ / 0-)

    to show some leadership, which is something that will never happen.

    The weak in courage is strong in cunning-William Blake

    by beltane on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:30:42 PM PDT

  •  Non-starter. nt (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    homogenius, dougymi, abarrenfuture

    Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

    by bugscuffle on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:30:46 PM PDT

  •  well, duh (0+ / 0-)

    and no one should hurt little puppies.

    Dennis Kucinich was right.

    by lisastar on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:31:49 PM PDT

  •  No chance in hell, unfortunately n/t (0+ / 0-)

    GOPaint: Painting the conservative hypocrisy at http://gopaint.wordpress.com

    by abarrenfuture on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:32:04 PM PDT

  •  Time for Senate 101... (7+ / 0-)

    Reid and the democrats can't just strip him of his chairmanship. He was elected to that chair by the entire Senate under the organizing resolution for the Senate of this 111th Congress. This is not a small matter.

    It's all but impossible to accomplish this. It doesn't matter how justified Reid might think it is, or even if a majority of Senate Dems supported it (which I doubt). He would never be able to get it through the Senate procedurally.

    Baucus will be chair at least through the end of this Congress. That's the reality.

    "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

    by homogenius on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:33:06 PM PDT

  •  It's Simple: All Out for 2010 and 2012! (0+ / 0-)

    Nothing substantial will be accomplished until then...

    As long as the Blue Dog and Republican cabal retains sufficient plurality to block, delay or sabotage Progressive Caucus initiatives, we are screwed.

    We need a Progressive Caucus super-majority, period.

    That is not going to happen until 2010, or 2012.

    So...all the angst and hubris over the present deplorable, frustrating, fucked up situation is worth...absolutely nothing...unless it is focused on 2010 and 2012.

    "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

    by Radical def on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:40:21 PM PDT

    •  It's always one election away, isn't it? Remem- (4+ / 0-)

      ber when they told us, Just give us a Dem congress and a Dem president?

      The Democrats: the Party Of Lucy And The Football.

      When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

      by Wom Bat on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:57:41 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  you forgot....just give us a Dem Senate. nt (0+ / 0-)

        Republicans===the party of the 1% rich people in America. Or in other words..The Party of NO!

        by jalapeno on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 01:02:37 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  I still remember... (0+ / 0-)

        the "subpoena power" we would get if we elected a democratic congress in 2006. As I recall, that got us nothing!

        Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

        by reflectionsv37 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 01:04:16 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Please review my other comments on topic (0+ / 0-)

        It's getting tedious to keep repeating the same points, to so many trolling weasels who are merely seeking to demoralize and split the party.

        But I will point out that anyone with a brain who says they expected a 30 year legacy of Republican monopoly corporate fascist dictatorship to be erased overnight is either a fool or a liar.

        I'd bet that most of the people here advancing such a line are idiots who didn't even vote in '08 "on principle"...or who voted for anyone but a Democrat, anyway.

        "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

        by Radical def on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 02:59:07 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  If you don't like reality, avoid (0+ / 0-)

          my comments in the future. To me, officeholders are not objects of reverence immune from accountability. Officeholders are employees who may or may not being doing their job well, and who should be praised or criticized accordingly. If you want to hero-worship politicians or excuse their repeated failures and unfulfilled promises so as not to "demoralize ... the party," that's your choice. It happens not to be mine.

          When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

          by Wom Bat on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 03:22:12 PM PDT

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          •  Your "reality": bogus, contrived, ad hominem jive (0+ / 0-)

            I have expressed no blind loyalty to Obama or anyone else, lol...

            The "worship" bit is pretty overt right wing "talking point"-smelling.

            Principled criticism would recognize the real politik, that Obama and the Progressive Caucus remain hostage to the Blue Dog/Republican cabal, who retain sufficient plurality to block, delay or sabotage any forward motion.

            That's the reality...screaming for immediate gratification, with no material basis for achieving it, is...unrealistic.

            That's not apologizing, it's merely pointing out the fact of the matter.

            Unless and until we seize the power in this country, and purge the Blue Dogs and what's left of the Republicans from all levers of power, to a much more substantial degree, we are going to continue to be screwed...

            Nothing short of a progressive super-majority is going to be able to surge forward into the 21st Century, for justice and peace, to save the planet.

            Only then will we be able to cut off at the knees all the jive "debate" and sabotage, and ram through what needs to be done.

            Electoral boycott, or vote splitting, are not going to accomplish anything but to strengthen the Blue Dog/Republican stranglehold...is that your choice?

            "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

            by Radical def on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 04:29:24 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  You say what we need NOW is "a progressive (0+ / 0-)

              supermajority?"

              You've just made my original point. That was: With the Dems it's perpetually just one more election. Now it's Soon as we get our progressive supermajority (it just morphed to that from soon as we get our Dem congress & WH), we'll "surge forward into the 21st Century, for justice and peace, to save the planet" (your quote).              

              Maybe two elections. Tops.              

              You see? It's Lucy And The Football. And goalposts on wheels. With a little Ground Hog Day thrown in.

              When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

              by Wom Bat on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 05:51:36 PM PDT

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              •  As I said, only naive fools, liars expected more (0+ / 0-)

                No liberal bourgeois president is going to deliver a revolutionary program, especially while held hostage by a hostile Congress, which Obama now faces with the Blue Dog/Republican cabal, who, combined, outnumber the majority Progressive Caucus and the Democratic Majority.

                What about that do you not get?

                If you thought the pigs would hand over the power to a simple majority, you were indeed, deluded, whether by ignorance or deceit.  If so, they would not have looted the treasury and sabotaged the economy, on their way out the door.

                They would not be freaking out, in every venue, screaming bloody murder, threatening political assassination, mass murder, and civil war.

                They know that they are no longer politically correct in this country, and that they are dead meat (metaphorically, politically, socially, culturally speaking).

                They know that if even a small portion of the present boycotters and vote splitters aggressively work to turn out an unprecedented, historic interim election vote, for justice and peace, to save the planet, to seize the power, for real, with a Progressive Caucus super-majority, it will be all over for capitalism as we now know it, and it's moribund form, fascism.

                We need for the hard left, and the more cynical defeatist "progressives", "anarchists", greens, and other sectarian factions vying for hegemony with COINTELPRO infiltrated counter-revolutionary lines, to call off their electoral boycott and splitting.

                To take over your local Democratic Party Central Committee, by being the ones who show up, and do the work, to seize the power.  

                To put forward Progressive Democratic Caucus candidates, and to do the grassroots door to door organizing required to get them elected, to replace Blue Dogs and Republicans.  

                To step up, and follow the leadership of the masses, of whom unprecedented numbers of youth and virtually all people of color rejected the boycott and splitting lines, and voted with their feet, marching to the polls to elect Obama.

                Democracy is the most fundamental revolutionary concept.

                All Power to the People!

                Sieze the Time!

                Seize the Power!

                All Out for 2010 and 2012!

                "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

                by Radical def on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 07:20:59 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

  •  How? nt (0+ / 0-)

    Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God. - Thomas Jefferson

    by Ezekial 23 20 on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:41:01 PM PDT

    •  It would be done within the Democratic Conference (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Ryan in FL, Ezekial 23 20

      The Dems' Steering and Outreach Committee would have to vote on the changes and present them to the full Democratic Conference. The Conference would have to adopt the changes and then Reid would present it as a bill to the full Senate.

      Traditionally, each party defers to the other on committee assignments for their own members, but there are no guarantees.

      I don't see any way a majority of Dems would be behind this move. It goes against Senate traditions. It would take some severe ethical lapse to strip him of his Chair, IMO.

      "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

      by homogenius on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:46:43 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Severe ethical lapse? How about being on the (0+ / 0-)
        'take'? How about accepting bribes (because that is exactly what they are.

        Oh wait, we'd have to take out practically every dem and every repubic in the House and Senate. Not to mention Obama's love of Wall Street money.

  •  Something needs to be done-he is a insurance pimp (1+ / 0-)
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    noe44
  •  He should go but procedurally he cannot (0+ / 0-)

    be removed until 2011 (the start of the next Congress). But Kent Conrad must also be removed as Budget Committee chair as he is at least as destructive as Baucus.

    The better question is why Obamas has not confronted these two in an ambiguous way - they've had enough rope to choke a head of cows . .  

  •  HA! Simple? (0+ / 0-)

    We're talkin' harry reid here.  joe lieberman was a traitor to his caucus (and to his professed, if not actual, party) in the last election and worked hard to see that its nominee lost.  Was there a repercussion to that?

    Your poll talked of our weaseling out of it. It should have spoken to harry reid weaseling out of it, because that's what will happen. No FRIGGIN' way will reid ever do anything to someone like baucus. If Al Franken sneezes at an inopportune time, he's in for a world of shit, but nothing will ever happen to baucus.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 12:58:21 PM PDT

  •  Not to highjack the thread (0+ / 0-)

    But shouldn't Lieberman be stripped of all his first.  He is no Democrat!

    The cure for what ails Democracy, is more Democracy

    by 1magine on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 01:12:39 PM PDT

  •  Baucus Isn't Up to the Job (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Mighty Ike

    He's moved at a snail's pace on each and every item before his committee. And shrinking the active participants down to the tiny group he did, proved he can't handle a chairmanship.

  •  Shoot the messenger (0+ / 0-)

    I thought Obama said in the presidential address that he wanted Dems and Reps to come to a compromise solution.  Now one finally comes out and there are calls to throw away the messenger.  Jeez.

    Can anyone tell me in the proposals whether a 28 year old in New York City and Minnesota will end up paying the same amount for health care if we end up with the public option?

  •  It is painfully obvious that Baucus does not (0+ / 0-)

    have the smarts or the stones to do this important work.  It is way past time for him to go.  Sherrod Brown, anyone?

    The only smarts I have are that I'm smart enough to know I can outwork 'em- Woody Hayes

    by Mighty Ike on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 01:54:58 PM PDT

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