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Ohio Gov. Ted Strickland has been both applauded and pilloried for his decision to suspend the final year of an income tax reduction of 21 percent.

His supporters said it was a bold move, while his detractors said it was just a matter of time until he would do what Democrats do best, raise taxes.

Originally posted to John Michael Spinelli on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 06:55 PM PDT.

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  •  Well, seeing as how so many of us don't have jobs (4+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne, bronte17, sherlyle, JerichoJ8

    where the hell else is he going to get the money? I guess he can hope the gambling issues pass, but I won't be voting for any of them.

    Shit is what it is
    ~Jon Stewart

    by Muzikal203 on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 06:58:52 PM PDT

    •  Well, Issue 3 (casino gambling) (1+ / 0-)
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      Ahianne

      will simply cost us more jobs, and shred the homegrown economy. It's a giveaway to big-money casino interests and a disaster for the people of the states. About slots I don't care one way or the other. In fact, I don't care much about gambling; I just don't favour a constitutional amendment written by the gambling promoters, in which they bar themselves from competition and decide the terms of payment and their own fee for a gambling license, which is way low compared to other states. Ohio is getting robbed on this one.

      What infuriates me is that the right-wing op-ed columnists have been pillorying him for not having the courage to roll baackthe Taft tax cuts, knowing full well that the Republican controlled Senate would never pass that, and so Strickland would be out on a limb, as they were sawing it off: The revenue wouldn't happen but he would have taken a politically risky stand that the Republicans could use in campaign ads next year.

      Now he has to some degree taken that sensible but politically risky stand. They are just cohking and trying to keep their brains from falling out as they do a thrashing flip-flop in order to pillory him for  doingexactly what they said they thought he should do.

      Fact is, our state media is radically rightwing and just want him out of office. They know that will be hard. He's smarter than Kasich, he has almost ten times as much money as Kasich, and Kasich has exactly NO campaign issues any more — no stands on anything Ohioans care about. He had to recant his proposal to eliminate the income tax, given how furious Ohioans were about service cuts (the real reason for Strickland's diminishing approval).

      Well, Kasich has one big ace in the hole!! He's got Sean Hannity coming in next Friday for a fundraiser. My paper is going to post a series every day of great Sean Hannity moments to remind people who this stooge is. If you think of any great Sean Hannity quotes, let me know.

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 08:02:47 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not a fan of casinos (1+ / 0-)
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        But Ohioans are gambling in casinos in Indiana, Michigan & Ontario--and West Virginia & Pennsylvania for slots. I am sympathetic to arguments that it would be better to keep that money at home.
        •  I'm not a big fan of casino's either... (2+ / 0-)
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          Ahianne, 0hio

          But, I'm voting for issue 3.  The opponents talk about how the jobs will be given to out of staters.  You mean, people from other states would actually MOVE here (instead of leaving), and buy our homes, and pay taxes and buy things here?  Sign me up!

          The Cleveland casino looks to be very nice, and some shiny new construction is badly needed in the city, although it seems pointless without an attached hotel.  The other major hotels could use some business, though, and bring in some nice tax revenue as well.

          I'm not crazy, though.... I know what it means when a city builds a casino.  It means that the the city has given up, economically, and there's no turning back to prosperity.  It will mean that Cleveland will officially become a failed city, joining Erie, PA; Wheeling, WV, Detroit, etc.

          I'm still voting for it, 'cos let's face it... the state is desperate at the moment.

          DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
          LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

          by LordMike on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 08:42:29 PM PDT

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          •  I'll rec you for giving a reasoned argument (1+ / 0-)
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            RunawayRose

            ..but my vote's going to cancel yours. I think the casinos will bring more problems than benefits.

            Veni, vidi, farinuxi.

            by Ahianne on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 09:00:50 PM PDT

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            •  Casino's don't bring the problems that... (2+ / 0-)
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              RunawayRose, Ahianne

              ...people fear.  I've been to many casino towns, and, really, they don't cause problems.  They don't grow business, either, though... nothing can feed off a casino like, say, a factory could.  The problems in these cities are too strong to be fixed by one hotel.

              I've voted against almost every other casino measure that Ohio's ever had.  The reason being that they were generally single monopolies.  This measure is only slightly better, but at least there will be facilities statewide.  And Dan Gilbert, owner of the Cavs, is the guy behind the Cleveland casino.  He's a top rate exec, so if anyone can make it work, it's he.

              Plus, a casino will entice my mother-in-law to come down here more often... hmmm... maybe, I don't want a casino! ;-)  (just kidding, my MIL is great!)

              DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
              LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

              by LordMike on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 09:13:04 PM PDT

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          •  Cleveland has been a fail (0+ / 0-)

            since my family came here in 1979 when I was 6. I came from a small town in upstate NY and it looked busier and more prosperous than downtown Cleveland.

            "NY is the big apple but Cleveland's a plum"

            Hahahaha! Remember that slogan? Cleveland was a plum joke. Nothing has changed in 30 years.

            "Major League" the movie? The aerial shots of sorry-ass Cleveland have only been slightly improved by a few new buildings. The stench of hopelessness still lingers ever since the first guy lost his job at LTV Steel.

  •  Brilliant insight. (3+ / 0-)
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    bronte17, LynneK, spyguy999

    Thanks you for this.

  •  Err..do you have a point? (7+ / 0-)

    The all-GOP Ohio Supreme Court struck down his proposal (favored by 62% of Ohioans) to deploy slot games at Ohio racetracks.

    He had to do something to fill a $900 million budget gap.

    So he is proposing to suspend the 5th year of a GOP (Taft) income tax cut which, just by the way, hasn't generated a SINGLE JOB for Ohio in 5 years...and that 90% of Ohioans don't even know about.

    Are you proposing a (regressive) sales tax increase-- as has been suggested by Sen. Voinovich?

    Or should we just start laying off school teachers?

    •  Farmbo, you nailed it (1+ / 0-)
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      Ahianne

      The whole Republican line is that jobs are going away because taxes are too high. So Taft cut taxes and job loss accelerated. Experiment failed. Time to give it up. I've been advocating for two years giving back our Taft tax cuts. For people like me and my friends, making $40,000 a year or less, we're talking $50-$100 a year. THAT'S why most Ohioans haven't even noticed the impact. I can spare that if it means no cuts to schools, libraries, senior services etc. Problem is, the Taft tax cuts were skewed to benefit rich people and they never want to give anything up.

      Most cities are already laying off teachers. The schools are being gutted. That is more likely to keep businesses out of the state than high taxes, which are a figment of GOP imagination, since Ohio's business taxes are about middle of the pack.

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 08:07:11 PM PDT

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  •  Either add some subtance to this diary (1+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne

    or delete it.

    "The Work Begins Anew, The Hope Rises Again, And The Dream Lives On" ____________Ted Kennedy

    by pollbuster on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 07:25:07 PM PDT

  •  what an insightful comment, er, diary (2+ / 0-)
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    Ahianne, pollbuster

    maybe a few more sentences would help

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?' - 1984

    by MinistryOfTruth on Fri Oct 02, 2009 at 07:59:40 PM PDT

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