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I admire Arianna Huffington greatly and enjoyed working on her 2003 campaign. She is one of the brightest bulbs on the planet. I was very excited when she announced plans for her blog, and have visited almost daily since it launched.

Like many of you, I was at first disturbed by the quantity of gossip on the site. Recently, the percentage of silly gossip stories has risen. But I am not going to complain about that, but rather explain what seems to be the justification for such a huge waste of bandwidth.

At the same time, I have to point out that there is one area in which HuffPo has become completely unreliable: medical advice. Unfortunately, the site promotes a lot of woo-woo "alternatives" to medicine that have been totally debunked by scientific tests. This not only endangers people, but also contributes greatly to waste in health care.

So below the fold I try to explain what is going on.

People come to HuffPo for various reasons, but gossip is a major draw. Consider the most popular stories list today. Six items include:

Guy Ritchie: Madonna Is Retarded
Hilary Swank Sleeps Naked, Stays Naked In Front Of...
Dennis Miller Knocks Hannity, Beck On Fox News (VIDEO)

That's 50% of the "most popular" list!

Now let's consider today's front page offerings:

Boyzone' Singer Stephen Gately Dies In Spain
Madge Drops Trainer... Mischa's New Home... Yankees' Wives Trash Kate
Jimmy Kimmel's New Girlfriend Is On His Staff
Is Your Digestive System Making You Sick?
TS Eliot Is Britain's Favorite Poet... A Happiness Lesson From Actors: Find The "Yes"
Politicians' Yearbook Photos: Which Are Keepers And Which Need A Retake?
PHOTOS: Amazing Animals Who Camouflage
Woody Harrelson And Vegan Twinkies
PHOTOS: Lady Gaga Performs After Obama's Big Gay Speech
Mayan Year 2012 Stirs Apocalypse Predictions, Doomsayers
WATCH: Bill Maher: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Because It Will Make Rush Limbaugh "Explode"

Yes, these are front page stories!

So, should we complain about this? No! HuffPo uses gossip to attract people to their progressive news stories. If they added naked men and women, they could achieve even more. Maybe that's what we should demand. Show us Jimmy Kimmel's staff in all its morning glory! Add some T & A and maybe Fox viewers would flock to the site.

HuffPo has a strategy, let them use it. But my real problem is with the unscientific New Age woo-woo that might be taken as serious news. Search "homeopathic" for example:

   
  1.
     Jacob Dickerman: Swines and Birds and Homeopaths, Oh My!
     
     May 5, 2009 ... Unfortunately, people looking to help protect themselves and their families are being preyed upon by a group whose theory of medicine goes ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/.../swines-and-birds-and-home_b_195597.html
  2.
     Homeopathy: Arnica Relieves Pain
     
     Sep 19, 2009 ... Arnica Montana, a plant native to mountainous areas of Europe and North America, has been used for centuries to treat a variety of pain.
     www.huffingtonpost.com/.../homeopathy-arnica-relieve_n_291682.html
  3.
     Dana Ullman
     
     Sep 24, 2009 ... Dana Ullman has written extensively on homeopathic research in an ... Dana Ullman has also written chapters on homeopathic medicine for ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman
  4.
     Swine Flu : Pictures, Videos, Breaking News
     
     The theoretical debate over whether homeopathy works is like two people arguing whether ... There are homeopathic clinics and hospitals around the world, ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/news/swine-flu?show_comment_id=32140299
  5.
     Swine Flu : Pictures, Videos, Breaking News
     
     Sep 26, 2009 ... Really, the bottom line is to subject homeopathic medicine to the same standards as the FDA requires prescription products to undergo. ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/news/swine-flu/
  6.
     Swine Flu : Pictures, Videos, Breaking News
     
     Really, the bottom line is to subject homeopathic medicine to the same standards as the ... I thought we were debating the efficacy of homeopathic medicine, ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/news/swine-flu?show_comment_id=32154143
  7.
     Dana Ullman: The Wisdom of Symptoms: Respecting the Body's ...
     
     Sep 24, 2009 ... Homeopathy simply provides a wonderful alternative and Dana Ullman has .... It is well known that water forms little balls in homeopathic ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/.../the-wisdom-of-symptoms-re_b_299070.html
  8.
     Health : Pictures, Videos, Breaking News
     
     In addition, the author goes on to recommend homeopathy, which is at best ... Even if it could be show that homeopathic solutions were more than just water ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/news/health?show_comment_id=32017533
  9.
     Health : Pictures, Videos, Breaking News
     
     Sep 29, 2009 ... If you go the homeopathic route you should be advised that coffee, mint, and perfumes can antidote the effects of the remedy. ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/news/health?show_comment_id=31857382
 10.
     lotuslady7761 on HuffingtonPost
     
     There are many journals that have published homeopathic studies. ... I happen to be well trained in homeopathy, so here is the real story about what he says ...
     www.huffingtonpost.com/users/profile/lotuslady7761?action=comments

Only one story, fortunately the first one, points out the fact that homeopathy is complete and utter bullshit that defies the law of physics. The others all pretend that there are some benefits (other than placebo effects) from this scientific impossibility that has been debunked in 100% of the scientific studies.

Yet Americans waste billions of dollars each year on these and similar frauds. This should be part of the health care discussion. Government sponsored health care should only include scientifically supported treatments. Not one penny should go to alternatives to real medicine. But Arianna Huffington has friends in the "New Age" community, and that perhaps explains the destructive presence of stories supporting woo-woo nonsense.

So this is something we should complain about. HuffPo does real harm, perhaps even killing people by its implicit endorsement of alternatives to medicine.

I have nothing against research and endorsement of anything that can be scientifically proven to work. I have successfully consumed garlic for decades and haven't once been attacked by vampires. But that is not a scientific investigation, though I am confident that a survey would indeed show that no one who has consumed garlic has ever been bitten by a vampire. It works for me, so why shouldn't everyone go out and buy a ton of garlic (from Gilroy, not China. Communist garlic does not work as well.)

So, let HuffPo run with the gossip and sex stories, but let's hope that the harmful support for frauds can be reduced or eliminated.

Originally posted to MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:05 PM PDT.

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    •  I love it all. Im not too proud to say I vote (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      mcartri, aggie98

      for those poll baed photo's she posts... usually they have "hot or not" type of polls.

      I like the entertainment news as well as the political news.

      I enjoy her site. She is a pretty smart person.

      •  It Attracts Readers to a Liberal Site (1+ / 0-)
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        MakeChessNotWar

        Imagine if every issue of the "National Enquirer" had as its front page, "The Declaration of Independence". Bet it would sell-out every week. Right. The Huff Post is what it is. I love liberal politics, but there are many Huff Post viewers who visit for gossip or provocative photos. Maybe they'll notice a progressive news story. I look at the fluff stuff as a loss leader for a store. Sell the jar of Miracle Whip for less than the store's cost. If you can't get them in the door, you'll sell them nothing. The Huff Post is the same.

  •  She also covered election fraud in Afghanistan (11+ / 0-)

    dkos has "pooties", she has celebrity gossip.

  •  WOW (4+ / 0-)

    Dennis Miller knocks Hannity?!?

    Be back later :)

  •  Are you unaware that... (5+ / 0-)

    most people through out the world love celebrity gossip? Hell, the Romans used to love to hear about Mark Anthony and his craziness.

    I don't particularly care for gossip, and I ignore it for the most part. I suggest you ignore it too.

    I'm a firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class, especially since I rule!

    by jbou on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:13:01 PM PDT

  •  Western medicine has it's (11+ / 0-)

    place, but as my client's say "when it comes to colds and the flu, you Americans mask the symptoms instead of using the things that can actually help."  To trash homeopathy as complete "bullshit" is as uninformed as trashing Western medicine as such.  Neither has a lock on effectiveness and, used together, are very effective.  I am off all meds and test normal for thyroid (MD is stunned) because of homeopathy.  Yeah, I know, the blood tests conducted by the MD are bullshit.

    All compromise is based on give and take, but there can be no give and take on fundamentals. Mohandas Gandhi

    by MufsMom on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:13:12 PM PDT

    •  One has a method (8+ / 0-)

      The other doesn't. One is falsifiable, one isn't. You are perhaps right on a lock on effectiveness, but you can clearly show when Western medicine is effective. All you have with homeopathy is the hope that correlation is causation.

    •  Bullshit because (12+ / 0-)

      most homeopathic remedies consist of - water or alcohol.  Anecdote is not the plural of data.  

      Tap water is actually the world's most powerful homeopathic remedy, using homeopathic reasoning.

      I think that I have had enough of you telling me how things will be. Today I choose a new way to go ... and it goes through you!

      by Norbrook on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:37:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  To the extent the placebo effect is real (4+ / 0-)

      and actually works to treat or cure disease, I suppose one could argue homeopathy isn't "complete" bullshit.

      But that's an extremely limited extent.

      "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by jrooth on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:39:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I don't believe in homeopathy (5+ / 0-)

      but fully support those who do. Scientific medication studies are fraught with their own problems, which is why the tests in other countries do turn out differently, perhaps, if they German or American or Japanese.

      I have had my thyroid removed and I would die without thyroid meds. My family believes strongly in non-Western medicine and let me go 4 years with cancer because they didn't take me to a "Western" doctor. Needless to say, I almost died.

      ...on a good day I bowl a 19

      by mahakali overdrive on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:44:27 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Good to have you (4+ / 0-)

        It's a serious issue.

        I am supportive of alternative medicine, meditation... I think these things can be effective, but homeopathy can be differentiated in a simple way.  There's nothing in it.  

        A natural remedy which is from an herb is a good thing. Obviously, many of the modern medicines have been taken from natural remedies.  

        That's different from homeopathy.  

        Here take this- It's 50C!  That's some really expensive stuff, because I diluted it 50 different times!

        "That's what the Democratic party traditionally meant, and that's how it's gonna be." Grayson

        by otto on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:31:55 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Chemotherapy is herbal (1+ / 0-)
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          otto

          Plant extracts. Clearly some herbs can help and should be studied. Marijuana is a powerful and effective treatment. All proposed herbal remedies should be tested scientifically. Some will pass the tests.

          But homeopathy and prayer never will.

          Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

          by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:12:16 PM PDT

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        •  otto, it's pretty offensive, esp. to kids (1+ / 0-)
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          otto

          my mom used to leave me very sick because she fancied herself a homeopathist. Needless to say... she had no idea what she was doing. The woman whom she learned from was a life-long friend whom I loved dearly. She died from an asthma attack two years ago (treated with homeopathic medicine).

          If it's not life or death, ok, although the costs are offensive, and I do notice a difference from arnica rub for sprains, but otherwise homeopathy is the same as drinking a little tap water.

          The placebo effect is a powerful thing, but it can't be relied on. Western meds have horrible side effects at times and it's easy to see why someone might want a medication with none, like a homeopathic. Of course the reason is that there's nothing in there. At all.

          I support herbal medicine and acupuncture because at least they make sense. But it's important to not be invested in one ideology or another to the exclusion of your own health.

          Both have drawbacks, Western & Alternative medications. Both have fraud -- tricyclic antidepressants for panic attacks? GTFO. Yoga is not a contact sport. Homeopathics are water and sugar. I believe in subtle bodies but don't believe they cause major disease.

          I've been subject to every goddamned cure possible, incidentally, over the years. Name it. I've tried it. Short of being trepanned.

          ...on a good day I bowl a 19

          by mahakali overdrive on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 11:25:12 PM PDT

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    •  Considering that at least 100,000 people (3+ / 0-)

      die in this country every year due to medical mistakes, to tout Western medicine as the only game in town seems absurd.  Chinese herbalists and acupuncture have as long a history as Western medicine and are often more effective.  I have friends who have had great success with homeopaths, and the fact that both herbalists and homeopaths are more careful about administering treatments that have few, if any, side effects, is definitely a point in their favor.

    •  Homeopathy, as developed and defined (12+ / 0-)

      by Samuel Hahnemann is 100% complete bullshit.

      Many people think "homeopathy" is a fancy term for "herbal medicine" or something. It isn't. It's a specific form of Ultra-quackery that, once understood, is clearly implausible, and moreover has consistently been proven worthless beyond the placebo effect.  In fact, homeopathic remedies typically ARE placebos: sugar pills, distilled water, etc.

      There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who fit into one of two mutually exclusive categories, and those who don't.

      by zhimbo on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:03:38 PM PDT

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    •  "Western" medicine is a BS frame (8+ / 0-)

      There is valid medicine, and invalid medicine, and it doesn't matter where it comes from or where it is practiced.

      Valid medicine (medicine that works) shows up in double-blind scientific studies as valid - it produces positive results that exceed chance or placebo effects, and whatever negative side-effects it produces are minor and/or outweighed by its value.

      Invalid medicine (medicine that doesn't work) doesn't work no matter what you call it or who practices it. It doesn't work because properly conducted clinical studies show that positive results do no exceed change or placebo effects and/or aren't negated by negative side-effects.

      Anecdote is not evidence, particularly when it comes to personal health, where emotions run so high and the desire to believe, regardless of evidence, is so strong.

      One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

      by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:15:02 PM PDT

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      •  "Properly conducted clinical studies" is the key (1+ / 0-)
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        phrase.  How often do we find out that the studies that were carried out were scrubbed  or tweaked or influenced by the funding?  It is very hard to know if a study was properly conducted or not until it has been reproduced independently and in different settings.

        •  When it comes to those who promote and sell (2+ / 0-)
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          MakeChessNotWar, csquared

          alternative medicine, the answer is never - because they avoid properly conducted clinical studies like the plague.

          At least when it comes to scientific medicine, we have independent organizations with the ability to conduct independent trials.

          Scientific medicine isn't perfect, but all the flaws people are talking about here are matters of human politics, not the actual efficacy of the treatment.

          Homeopathy and other "alternative medicines" that scorn scientific study present no way for us to actually judge their efficacy - and, given that they are far more loosely regulated than conventional pharmaceuticals and medical procedures are, we don't even have a flawed baseline to compare to.

          Not to mention the unfounded and rather counter-intuitive assumption that people making big bucks from largely unregulated things like homeopathy are somehow more virtuous, honest and less susceptible to corruption and politics than people who were trained in rigorous scientific methodology and are regulated, albeit imperfectly, by the government.

          One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

          by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 04:29:39 PM PDT

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    •  But homeopathy IS complete bullshit. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      csquared

      So-called "Alternative medicine" is alas the creationism of the left.

    •  Also, he goes from homeopathy (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      wa ma

      to "alternative medicine" in general. When my sister was diagnosed with breast cancer three years ago, her oncologist also recommended what might be termed "alternative" medicine, including herbal medicine and acupuncture. I don't know if it helped but she wasn't all that sick or unable to function while doing chemo and radiation. I went out to visit her at the end of her chemo and she had regained her appetite and was able to run round and do things with me. Of course, this may all be part of those evil, subversive "San Francisco values." She lives in Nancy Pelosi's district.

      Stop Rob "The Job Outsourcer" Portman. Jennifer Brunner for Senate http://www.jenniferbrunner.com/

      by anastasia p on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:47:03 PM PDT

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      •  alternative medicine is not medicine (1+ / 0-)
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        csquared

        Medicine works and has been confirmed by testing. I never implied herbs can't help. But if they can, they can be tested scientifically.

        I maintain my sanity with massive doses of coffee but cofee has been tested in many ways and there is data to back up my impression.

        New medicine possibilities should always be explored and tested. But only those that pass the tests should be used.

        Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

        by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:19:19 PM PDT

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  •  I only bookmark the "politics" page (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    wa ma, noe44

    that way I can avoid the bulk of the BS.  Regarding homeopathy, of which I am not a proponent, it is ironic that many FDA approved therapies are only marginally better than placebo, and this based on studies performed by parties with a vested interest in the outcomes.  I guess that just points out how intrinsically hopeful we are, or something...

    •  It is scientifically impossible (8+ / 0-)

      There is no homeopathic medicine. It is absence of medicine. This is 100% scientifically proven. Check out Quackwatchor JREFfor citations.

      You may benefit from believing the moon is made of cheese, but it just ain't so. I'm sorry your education is so deficient that you can't do the math to realize what a crock this is.

      Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

      by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:20:39 PM PDT

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    •  Have you seen this article in Wired? (5+ / 0-)

      Placebos Are Getting More Effective. Drugmakers Are Desperate to Know Why.

      It's not only trials of new drugs that are crossing the futility boundary. Some products that have been on the market for decades, like Prozac, are faltering in more recent follow-up tests. In many cases, these are the compounds that, in the late '90s, made Big Pharma more profitable than Big Oil. But if these same drugs were vetted now, the FDA might not approve some of them. Two comprehensive analyses of antidepressant trials have uncovered a dramatic increase in placebo response since the 1980s. One estimated that the so-called effect size (a measure of statistical significance) in placebo groups had nearly doubled over that time.

      It's not that the old meds are getting weaker, drug developers say. It's as if the placebo effect is somehow getting stronger.

      The fact that an increasing number of medications are unable to beat sugar pills has thrown the industry into crisis. The stakes could hardly be higher. In today's economy, the fate of a long-established company can hang on the outcome of a handful of tests.

      •  Anti-depressants are overprescribed and to people (4+ / 0-)

        who are going through a rough patch who would get better without the drugs. Add the placebos and voila!

        There have been too many long term harmful drugs pushed on patients.  HRT pushed on every woman over 45 is a good example. Statins are now being questions. They were killing dialysis patients with Amgen's big blockbusters Epogen.  Read about the hisotry of Epogen and Neupogen. People do not believe how much they cost, and what a huge chunk of the medicare budget they take up.

        Why don't we see more of these stories?  They are usually found in the business section....not in the health section.  

        •  I'm tired of stress being the cause (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          otto, Nova Land

          of "Everything" according to current trends in Western medicine.

          And I'm just as tired of "Everything" being some secret, bizarre allergy or plague that only a few people have.

          Honestly, both sides scare the shit out of me... both Western & Alternative medicine.

          ...on a good day I bowl a 19

          by mahakali overdrive on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:17:41 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  100 years ago, the average life expectancy in the (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Nova Land, NogodsnomastersMary

          US was 47.3. Today, it is approaching 79.

          The same is true in every nation in the world that practices modern scientific medicine - even the poorest ones have seen dramatic improvements, particularly in the past 30 years.

          One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

          by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:25:52 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  That there are frauds inPharma is irrelevant (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Nova Land

          Thge line of reasoning that says people should use alternatives to medicine just because Pharma defrauds and cheats is irrational and just plain stupid.

          Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

          by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:39:36 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Wired is not a peer-reviewed medical journal (5+ / 0-)

        Wired also wrote, a decade ago, that the browser was dead - even put it on their cover. They are not a peer-reviewed technical journal, either. They also predicted the death of Apple, and that the Dow would reach 20,000. They are also not a peer-reviewed economic journal.

        One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

        by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:21:52 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Oh, of course, I didn't mean to suggest it was. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          tegrat

          But if you're interested, here's a link to the abstract of one of the studies discussed in the article:  Patient and practitioner influences on the placebo effect in irritable bowel syndrome.

          •  And what a difference the actual study makes (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            MakeChessNotWar

            Not only is the language, unlike the Wired article, suitably responsible:

            Personality and gender influenced the placebo response, but only in the warm, empathic, augmented group. This suggests that, to the degree a placebo effect is evoked by the patient-practitioner relationship, personality characteristics of the patient will be associated with the placebo response. In addition, practitioners differed markedly in effectiveness, despite standardized interactions. We propose that the quality of the patient-practitioner interaction accounts for the significant difference between the groups in placebo response.

            But the results - from this single study - were nowhere near the dramatic statement we've already seen in this thread, that

            50% of the improvement due to pharmaceuticals was really due to the placebo effect, so why bother with the drugs at all

            A statement that was no challenged by anyone else here, and was recommended by a couple anti-science rubes.

            Science is rarely dramatic and revolutionary. It is generally a matter of slowly - but consistently - improving our understanding of nature, and thus improving our lives. And, medical science in particular is the reason most of us are alive today to carry on this conversation here.

            One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

            by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 04:44:47 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  my understanding is that antidepressants (0+ / 0-)

        are more effective in conjunction with therapy.  Is the study group only taking drugs without therapy?  If not, maybe the therapists are getting better...

  •  BBC has a very good health section (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Dr Marcos

    and also does great job covering science and technology related issues. HuffPo's health/lifestyles coverage seems targeted to those who aspire to be like the vapid celebrities it shares space with. At least with Huffington Post, unlike TV, the garbage is easily bypassed. Honestly, I don't even know who most of those celebrities are.

    The weak in courage is strong in cunning-William Blake

    by beltane on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:16:04 PM PDT

  •  homeopathy (5+ / 0-)

    ... is basically equal to using a witch doctor in effectivness of treating illness.

    Totally no evidence to support anything about it.

    Promoting it, instead of actual medical treatment, by anyone, is unacceptable.  

  •  I avoid conversations about alternative medicine (9+ / 0-)

    It's like trying to reason with religious fanatics.

    Medicare for everyone.

    by Night Train on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:18:46 PM PDT

  •  Is this "Attack Huffington Post Day"? (0+ / 0-)

    It seems that today's headlines all are in the entertainment field and a seeming endorsement of homeopathic medicine.  As for gossip, if you are looking in the entertainment section what do you expect?

    Maybe you can commiserate with jovie131.  

    -4.63, -5.59 The Right-wing Noise Machine is SOOO much better at controlling the debate than we are.

    by Divertedone on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:20:43 PM PDT

    •  Hey ... we could make every Sunday (0+ / 0-)

      "Attack Huffington Post Day"

      To be followed by "show your disappointment in President Obama" Mondays ...

      "I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it." - Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by jrooth on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:43:08 PM PDT

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  •  as someone who has an appreciation for gossip (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Jacques

    i have take some exception to your assessment.

    arianna has made no bones about the thrust of huffpo and how she wants it to be an online newspaper-complete with all newspaper components (she once mentioned adding a sports page which hasn't yet happened).

    the headline today is about the resurgence of the afghani insurgency followed by jason linkins' always brilliant liveblog of MTP, this week fox news sunday then a piece about an attack on a pakistani military base.  the stories you're referencing are quite far down the page and certainly aren't in the politics or media pages. they're in the entertainment page.

    for me, celebrity gossip is as essential as the hot news stories of the day and i believe that a lot of news readers are in concurrence.  bill maher certainly loves celebrity gossip and wouldn't consider him a lightweight.

  •  Don't knock the HuffPo. (5+ / 0-)
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    They had a very informative piece last week on "Best Celebrity Chest".

  •  I don't mind the gossip... (5+ / 0-)

    but the constant bare breasts feel exploitive to me. Can't the gossip stories and fluff be told without making sexual objects out of the female body?

  •  They already do have naked (ok, half-naked) (7+ / 0-)

    people/stories all over the front page.  I like to read HuffPo at work, but I can't anymore, because as I scroll down, there's ALWAYS huge closeups of barely concealed breasts, or some other half-naked junk on the right side of the screen.  Frankly, it turns me off to look at that junk while I'm trying to read about politics.

    Have that crap on the entertainment part of the site fine, but I don't want some girl's boobs or ass in my face on the front page!

    Plus, I can't even stand to read the comments on most of the posts there anymore.  Seems like they are totally infested with trolls.  Oh well.

    "I think if aliens came down from space and killed everybody, they would spare Radiohead and make them play every night" - stevethemod87

    by DemandTruth on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:39:52 PM PDT

  •  The problem I have with ... (10+ / 0-)

    ...your take on alternative medicine is that it lumps everything into one big category (even though you only cite one example - homeopathy). But some herbal remedies work (indeed, the original pharmacology came from herbs) and acupuncture also works.

    For some things.

    Western medicine also works. For some things.

    But, as can be seen from this NPR story, it's not always what it's cranked up to be:
    The Telltale Wombs Of Lewiston, Maine
    .

    Five years ago, Saint Amand was in a car accident and after that had serious pain in her back several times a week. Her doctor strongly recommended a fusion, and so she got one. And then another. And then another. And then neck surgery.

    Now Saint Amand is in pain every hour of every day. She can't bend at the waist or at her knees. Not for the original sickness, she says, but from the cure. She is disabled, and she says really understanding the reality of that took a long time.

    "I think it really hit me after after my third back surgery and after I had my neck surgery," Saint Amand says. "It really hit me that, wow, there's really not much I can do. My leg is all nerve-damaged. My lower back is nerve-damaged. I have nerve damage in my left arm. There's really not much left that doesn't hurt."

    It would be easy to dismiss what happened to Saint Amand as poor-quality medical care; surgeries that failed because they were badly done. But it's probably more complicated than that.

    A couple of years ago Keller and some colleagues did an elegant study of one kind of back surgery in Maine, a procedure called discectomy. Keller found communities in Maine that had high rates of this surgery, communities with low rates, and communities that were somewhere in the middle. Then he followed patients who had had surgery in those communities over a five-year period to see how they fared. Keller says the conclusion was undeniable.

    "In the high rate of surgery overall, the patient outcomes were the least good of those three categories. In the middle rates, the outcomes of the patients were in the middle. And in the low-rate areas — less frequent operations per capita — the outcomes were the best."

    The reason that areas with more back surgery did worse, Keller says, is that doctors in those areas were operating on people whose issues were less severe; that is, patients who might not have been good candidates for an operation. So the problems associated with the surgery probably outweighed the problems of their actual sickness. For them, more wasn't better.

    But this essential dynamic — that more isn't better — applies to a lot more than just back surgery.

    Science is just a theory.

    by Meteor Blades on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:43:50 PM PDT

    •  And to date I have not had one friend (1+ / 0-)
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      who has been improved by back surgery, and I have had many friends who have had it.  In fact, several are worse.  A nurse practitioner who is now an administrator at the VA said that doctors have no idea what they are doing when the operate on the spine, but do it anyway.

    •  Medicine that works isn't "alternative" (2+ / 0-)

      it's just medicine.

      One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

      by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:28:09 PM PDT

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      •  The new term (1+ / 0-)
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        Complementary medicine.  

        It's a better way to describe much of it.  

        Although, I think it's referred to as CAM- Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

        "That's what the Democratic party traditionally meant, and that's how it's gonna be." Grayson

        by otto on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:41:22 PM PDT

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    •  Sceintific medicine has self-correcting mechanism (2+ / 0-)
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      built in, because it is based on evidence derived from rigorous clinical trials, and subsequent trials, suggested from evidence in the field suggesting problems, can separate impression from fact.

      Practices that are not based on fact, do not support clinical trials, and are immune to contrary evidence, because they are faith-based, are not medicine, they are quackery.

      The reason acupuncture is considered valid for very specific, narrow purposes such as short-term alleviation of certain kinds of pain is because clinical trials have demonstrated its efficacy for very specific, narrow purposes such as short-term allegiation of certain kinds of pain.

      The reason homeopathy is not considered valid is because clinical trials have proven it invalid.

      Criticizing modern medicine for making mistakes and learning over time as a defense of "alternative" medicine, is like Creationists criticizing evolution for making mistakes and learning over time as a defense for Creationism.

      One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

      by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:33:16 PM PDT

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      •  The problem is that while some ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...aspects of Western medicine do get changed over time, some do not until an "alternative" is suggested. To offer just one example, it's worth investigating how many medical schools require its graduates to take a class in nutrition, despite the fact that inadequate nutrition is at fault for many ailments.

        Science is just a theory.

        by Meteor Blades on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 04:26:20 PM PDT

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        •  "Western" medicine is a deliberately loaded frame (0+ / 0-)

          Designed to appeal to those who think that things from the Far East or from indigenous cultures are automatically virtuous just because they aren't "Western".

          Modern, science-based medicine is practiced all over the world, and so is "alternative medicine".

          Science offers a methodology to evaluate and improve understanding over time, by comparing factual results to predicted results. Unscientific medicine lacks these built-in mechanisms. Because they are belief-based, because of the human cognitive phenomenon of confirmation bias, and because there is often a significant lag between a treatment and a result, unscientific medical practices are even immune to what one would expect would be a natural evolutionary process of using what works and discarding what doesn't.

          Until the advent of modern medicine, life was brutish, suffering was widespread, and life expectancy was short. It has doubled in just the last 100 years in the US, and in every other nation where scientific medicine is widespread and consistently practiced.

          Even if what you say is true, that is not a result of a problem with scientific medicine, per se, but rather matters of politics and economics. The science is solid, whereas faith-based "alternatives" are not based on empirical evidence and are largely immune to reality.

          One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

          by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 04:37:09 PM PDT

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          •  I don't support "faith-based" medicine ... (0+ / 0-)

            ...but I also recognize that many practitioners of science-based medicine make faith-based claims for it that aren't backed up by science.

            The expression "Western medicine" is not an invention of practitioners of "alternative medicine," but rather of those who sought to put down alternatives to the conventions of allopathy. I know some people are, but I am not a believer in assuming something is more virtuous (or works better) because it comes from an indigenous or Eastern culture. I am pragmatic. Does this work is my only value judgment.

            But when, what can I say, Western doctors first went to China to evaluate acupuncture, they trashed it. Even as late as they '90s, they were saying that, no matter what it was being used for, it was no better than "purging, leeching, bleeding, et cetera."

            That, of course, has been proven to be  wrong.

            Science can lead to truth; only imagination can lead you towards meaning. - C.S. Lewis

            by Meteor Blades on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 04:56:40 PM PDT

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            •  Acupuncture is still a fraud (0+ / 0-)

              Just because it has been shown to be useful regarding pain doesn't mean it can treat or cure any ailment. The claims for miraculous properties continue apace.

              It has been shown to have some potential in a very limited application. It has not been shown to be as effective as inexpensive common medicines.

              Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

              by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:03:09 PM PDT

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              •  I never made a claim for it ... (0+ / 0-)

                ...being able to cure any ailment. But I have seen repeated claims from people saying it doesn't work even for pain, and ignoring the fact that sometimes inexpensive medicines have severe side effects that acupuncture does not have.

                Science can lead to truth; only imagination can lead you towards meaning. - C.S. Lewis

                by Meteor Blades on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:11:09 PM PDT

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            •  "Allopathy" is an invention of homeopaths (1+ / 0-)
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              Again, you find flaws with how humans practice politics, not with the science itself.

              A vaccine that is effective is effective, independent of whether Big Pharma or Big Labor or Big Media or Big Bird interferes with the process of getting people immunized.

              Homeopathic remedies have proven ineffective in scientific study after scientific study, so it really doesn't matter whether the "Western" Establishment is conspiring to suppress its virtues, along with chiropractic and zero-point energy.

              My point is that the entire justification for "alternative" practices seems to consist of an attack on corporate medicine, rather than on scientific evidence that a particular practice either works or doesn't work.

              My other point is that, as you yourself note, the initial error was eventually corrected. That is how science works. Do you have a better alternative to scientific inquiry? Should we consult the entrails of a goat, or our spirit-guide? What is the corrective mechanism by which homeopathic remedies are improved?

              If you want to have a discussion about how science should be freed from corporate greed and politics, that would be an interesting and possibly productive conversation.

              But what leads you to suppose that "alternative" medicine is any different, is any less susceptible to greed and politics and inertia and human failings?

              The big difference is, "alternative" medicine does not have the proven corrective pressure of peer-reviewed science to improve it over time, and to separate the wheat from the chaff.

              And, final point - for all the bitching and moaning folks like to do about how terrible Big Pharma is, how awful Western medicine is, how many people die all the time because of of Western doctors, the empirical fact is that human beings are doing a hell of a lot better today from a longevity, freedom from pain and suffering, and ability to function productively in society despite injuries and chronic illnesses, than we did before the advent of scientific medicine, and better today than we did 25, 50, 75, 100 or 150 years ago.

              Hell, most of what we are struggling to treat these days was never an issue, because humans didn't live long enough to get those ailments.

              One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

              by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:07:12 PM PDT

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              •  Uh... (1+ / 0-)
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                But what leads you to suppose that "alternative" medicine is any different, is any less susceptible to greed and politics and inertia and human failings?

                I don't think I have said anything that would indicate I believe that. Nor do I attack scientifically based medicine as a method.

                Science can lead to truth; only imagination can lead you towards meaning. - C.S. Lewis

                by Meteor Blades on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:17:15 PM PDT

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  •  Every time I go to look at that site, (5+ / 0-)

    I find the appearance of the page so bewildering that I just leave.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:44:01 PM PDT

  •  Headlines are often misleading. (6+ / 0-)

    Sometimes they will correct them, but more often they don't.  I get annoyed when I click on a headline, it  takes forever to load and then I find there's nothing to the story, it's off base, it's not worth the effort. I will not click on any of the blogs anymore and only occasionally, a news story.

    Pretty much anything in the health sections of newspapers or blogs like these deal in junk science and junk medicine. I am very skeptical of most of it including the FDA approved treatments or interpretations of medical research results. How many so-called 'breakthroughs' have not panned out after making headlines? All of it has to be questioned, not just the alternative remedies.  

    •  Reminds me of Media Matters (1+ / 0-)
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      One thing I don't like about Media Matters is that you get an interesting headline and click on it, but you cannot find anything out about the "story" without watching whatever video clip the include.

      I don't feel like watching videoclips all the time. I wish they included more transcripts or summaries of what is in the videoclips.

      http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

      by CatM on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 07:23:24 PM PDT

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  •  The alternative health articles are as (1+ / 0-)
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    important as the gossip.  They attract retirees, and that's one of the most stubbornly politically ignorant demographics in the country.

    "I'm going to need ordinary Americans to stand up and say, now is the time." Barack Obama, July 1, 2009

    by keeplaughing on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 01:53:21 PM PDT

    •  I must disagree. (1+ / 0-)
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      Alternative health attracts any demographic that has a condition that is not getting better, young or old.  I would like to see some research on which demographics are politically ignorant.  I remember a lot of articles on college students not being able to pass simple government and history tests or citizenship tests. Retirees tend to have the best turnouts for elections and take them more seriously.

      •  I do marketing for a supplement company. (0+ / 0-)

        Vitamins, minerals, herbs, homeopathy, etc.  About 75% our our sales go to people over 55.  

        "I'm going to need ordinary Americans to stand up and say, now is the time." Barack Obama, July 1, 2009

        by keeplaughing on Mon Oct 12, 2009 at 03:16:48 PM PDT

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  •  And why do people lie about Huffington Post? (0+ / 0-)

    Might be the counter question since the headline list on Huffington is not what the diary claims.

    Huffington has a section on entertainment and if readers view them the most, that's what gets the "Most viewed". Nothing to do with Huffington's editorial lineup which is solidly hard news.

    DKOS has freak'in cat diaries and numerous totally fact less internet rumor diaries all the time so I'm not sure there's much room for "kettle" DKOS to be harrumphing about Huffington Post.

    •  Wrong (3+ / 0-)

      The stories were from the front page a few minutes before I posted.

      And the thrust of the diary was the promotion of bullshit, not the celebrity stuff which I accept as a marketing measure.

      If you claim the bullshit isn't on the front page you lie like a dog.

      Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

      by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:08:43 PM PDT

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    •  Daily Kos diaries are written by the community (2+ / 0-)
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      and voted on by the community (and pootie diaries rarely hit the recommended list, and are virtually never on the front page).

      HuffPo is an online news site with editors who select articles for publication, articles they solicit generally from known personalities (some of them even writers and, I've heard, even a few actual journalists from time to time). They have pretenses of providing a quality filter and presenting what readers assume is vetted news.

      The potential for someone to read a dangerously quacky article on HuffPo about medicine, and think it is authoritative (particularly when most of the quack articles are written by "M.D"s or "best-selling health author"s) is high.

      The potential for someone to read a pootie diary on Daily Kos and, as a result, do something harmful to their cat is rather low.

      One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

      by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:38:23 PM PDT

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      •  And have some pretty stupid, infantile stuff. (0+ / 0-)

        so getting snotty about Huffington Post viewers reading the gossip pages is hypocritical.  

        This diary takes it a step further by lying about the Huffington Post headlining the gossip and entertainment items.

        •  You still miss the point by a country mile. (1+ / 0-)
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          by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 04:37:55 PM PDT

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          •  The point that diarist lied about Huff Post? (0+ / 0-)

            The diarist took the side column, clearly labeled "ENTERTAINMENT" and claimed it was Huffington's main page. It was a complete lie as anyone who went to the Huffington Post site could clearly see.

            I think the point that the diarist's story was a complete fabrication was clear from the evidence.

            That DKOS was headlining "Worlds' Greatest Hotdogs" at the time was just too good to be true.

            •  The point is that comparing Daily Kos (0+ / 0-)

              diaries and HuffPo articles is a profound misapprehension of the nature of each site - and, that comparing the consequence of reading a pootie diary vs the consequence of reading an anti-vaccine article is a profound misapprehension of the nature of consequences

              You have your own agenda, and, rather than respond to what commenters here actually write, you simply talk without listening.

              That's not a discussion. That is you, ranting.

              One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

              by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 10:30:51 PM PDT

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  •  I never go to HuffPo any more. (7+ / 0-)

    I just plain got sick and tired of having innocuous comments getting deleted. When you agree with a blogger, and your deleted comment said, in toto, "Amen!" - that's enough. Good bye, good riddance.

    I was briefly a HuffPost blogger, under my own name. No more, thank you very much. I'll stay here, and at other blogs, where there's some meat in the stories and discussions. I've had more than enough of their fake debates in the "Less filling, tastes great" category. I've also had WAY more than enough of Deepak Chopra and other folks (like the one who pushes the abiotic theory of oil) who promote pseudoscientific hooey. Yes, they have a right to spout homeopathic silliness and other non-scientific garbage. I have a right to stop reading it. And I did.

    Maxie Baucus took an axe, gave Single Payer 40 whacks. And when he saw what he had done, gave Public Option 41. (NO, Max! Bad Senator!)

    by SciMathGuy on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:09:06 PM PDT

  •  My problem with HP ... (5+ / 0-)

    the "all the news" button is gone.

    I have always hated the front page. Too many pictures and way too many videos. I prefer to read my news.

    Up until recently, there was an "all the news" and "all the blogs" buttons.

    I could hit the button and a list of all the news stories (or blog posts) published that day appeared. I could go through the headlines that were important to me and click on to read the article or find the link to the source(s). I could keep up with pop culture by reading the headline because in most cases - the headline says it all, but I didn't have to waste time reading the whole thing.

    I have emailed HP several times, but no one has bothered to answer.

    I was in the habit of going there several times a day since the beginning, but I rarely go there at all anymore - just to check if the "all the news" button has come back.

  •  I use a lot of alternative medicine (4+ / 0-)

    I have no use for snake oil salesmen, however, or people trying to make a buck off my fears.

    I am also sick to death of perfectly nicely raised people who try to occupy the conversation with their stories of Ritual Satanic Abuse or oddly unidentifiable diseases which incapacitate them and make them the constant center of attention.

    BUT I credit my excellent health on using standardized vitamins and supplements (meaning they contain what they claim to contain), including fish oil or, when in a bind, cod liver oil, COQ-10, B-12, Vitamin D-3 and several others, as well as on some herbal preparations, lots of exercise and a life of moderation in all things.

    And I avoid pharmaceuticals like the plague and refuse to allow any doctor to "diagnose" me for the purposes of giving me pharmaceuticals or a convenient excuse.

    If, however, I need a vaccine, I get it. If I developed cancer, the doctors wouldn't be able to get rid of me. If I were in a serious car accident, I'd so be beholden to conventional medicine.

    The trick seems to be critical thinking skills, a healthy dose of skepticism and a knowledge of how science and the human body work.

    Unfortunately, too many Americans lack those things. Some are preyed upon by snake oil salesmen, while others rack up the diagnoses which render them, in their eyes and the eyes of those who fall prey to them, as in need of help and prayers as true victims of serious diseases and accidents.

    •  Your good health is probably due to (2+ / 0-)
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      your care and attention, not to the scientifically disproven treatments.

      Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

      by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:25:06 PM PDT

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      •  Well (3+ / 0-)
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        I follow the lead of a cardiologist, so I'm not sure everything I do is scientifically disproven. Besides, a sister of mine follows the same regimen and just had to undergo a battery of tests for her insurance company. The results: low blood pressure - good low blood pressure, normal sugars - despite being told ten years ago she's diabetic and her pancreas no longer works, excellent blood lipids and weight in the normal range. She, like me, refuses to take pharmaceuticals and instead relies on vitamins, supplements and dietary plans suggested by a cardiologist who, I might add, makes no money off of us.

        However, point taken. And my good health is probably also due to my refusal to be given a diagnosis which might debilitate me, despite attempts to do so in the past. I was fortunate to be raised in a family that didn't particularly like illness and knew they real illness will, indeed, kill you.

        •  Numerous studies (0+ / 0-)

          show that most vitamin supplements are useless. Your body does not metabolize the non-food forms of vitamins very well and vitamin consumption does little to fight illness or disease on its own.

          In some cases, vitamin consumption can be harmful.

          There are three main causes for good health--genetics, healthy food, and exercise. Other reasons for good health--not smoking or drinking.

          I grew up without going to the doctor most of my life before age 18 because we had no health insurance. I suffered from terrible allergies and because they were never treated, at age 19, I had to have nasal polyps removed and my sinuses drained. I also grew up in a household with smokers and eventually developed asthma.

          Currently, I have something wrong with me that doctors haven't really been able to figure out (the diagnosis I finally received is fibromyalgia).

          I do not take anything for it because there is only one medication to treat it, it causes weight gain and brain fuzziness, and I can't afford to have that in my life.

          And I have to tell you, whatever this is, it is not getting any better without "pharmaceuticals."

          Drugs and doctors are not enemies. Most doctors do not just hand out drugs for fun but rather because some people actually need them.

          People with Gaucher Disease suffered terribly before the invention of cerezyme, for example.

          BTW, I have to add something about genetics.

          My father's father died of heart failure, his grandfather of diabetes (which they both had) and all his uncles had diabetes. His siblings all have high blood pressure. He is a chain smoker and an alcoholic but has never had problems with cholesterol, diabetes, or heart disease.

          (He did get prostate cancer, though.)

          http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

          by CatM on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 07:34:26 PM PDT

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      •  And genetics (0+ / 0-)

        One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

        by RandomActsOfReason on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:38:55 PM PDT

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        •  Genetics in my case is unlikely (1+ / 0-)
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          I have only one surviving sibling. All other siblings died at early ages of heart attacks. My father had a heart attack at 40. Diabetes is rampant in the family, as are thyroid disease (both hyper and hypo), kidney abnormalities and deadly allergies.

          I was obese as a child, diagnosed with high blood pressure at 22 and warned I was destined to a lifetime of obesity and accompanying health problems, including the likelihood of early death from heart disease, given my family history. Rather than succomb to my supposed fate, I decided to take matters into my own hands. 30 years later, I have blood pressure to die for, no diabetes, and I am a lot of things, but obese isn't one of them. I'm also still alive, despite all predictions to the contrary.

          I take no pharmaceuticals, I might add.

    •  You're on to something yourself there (1+ / 0-)
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      Absolutely, yes, and yes again.

      ...on a good day I bowl a 19

      by mahakali overdrive on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:23:20 PM PDT

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  •  Does this mean Sarah Silverman is available? (0+ / 0-)

    kimmel is the biggest fool in the world.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:23:19 PM PDT

  •  back when (0+ / 0-)

    seems i clearly recall a c. 1980 article (Esquire?) about her having stole a guy's PhD work and published under her then right wing (poor guy)

    never held credibilty for me, just advertising space

    The word liberal comes from the word free. We must cherish and honor the word free or it will cease to apply to us. E. Roosevelt

    by i saw an old tree today on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 02:59:27 PM PDT

  •  Garlic? Ugh. (0+ / 0-)

    I once worked for an elderly lady who took garlic pills daily. The garlic seeped through her pores (making mouthwash ineffective) and she reeked. I had to quit; I just couldn't stomach the stench. I suppose it would come in handy if you wanted to clear a room. :)

    I hate labels. Just give me the ingredients.

    by forever blue on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:05:03 PM PDT

  •  too many ads (1+ / 0-)
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    I used to visit the site every day.
    But too many ads. Seems like after the elections the traffic slowed down so she doubled the ads.
    Too many ads, too many tracking cookies.

    The last time I visited it was like Salon, a full page ad came up and you had to wait for it to load and then click a link to skip the ad.

    I would rather go elsewhere

  •  Huff Post is good for US breaking news (3+ / 0-)

    But there is not nearly enough depth. I go to BBC News website and can spend over an hour reading stuff. Go to Huff Post and I'll be lucky if I spend 10 minutes.

    Does not have the depth of BBC News, Asia Times, The Guardian, The Independent, Spiegal Online, Al Jazeera or Haaretz.

    Also does not have the quality reporting of Slate, Alternet, Raw Story or Friday Lunch Club.

    "You show me a capitalist, and I'll show you a bloodsucker." - Malcolm X

    by Dr Marcos on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:19:50 PM PDT

  •  I don't mind alternative medicine (1+ / 0-)
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    But it has to have at least some kind of connection to reality.

    Homeopathy has no possibility of ever working, period.

    If someone thinks it works, it means they think it works. It doesn't mean it works.

    It is the lamest excuse for a medical treatment that I have ever heard of.

    The problem is that so many people want to use alternative and complimentary medicine, but they want to accept all of it without question.  

    It's okay to call bullshit on homeopathy, and still take an herbal remedy for something.  They are not related.  One is an herbal remedy, the other is either some water in a vial or a pill that is made of the same shit that every other pill is made of, just without the actual medicine.  On the side of a box of medicine, it's the things included in the section that says "inactive ingredients."  

    Educate yourselves before you waste a shit ton of money.

    "That's what the Democratic party traditionally meant, and that's how it's gonna be." Grayson

    by otto on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:25:02 PM PDT

  •  This is because Arianna (1+ / 0-)
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    is like Bill Maher in her attitude toward things like vaccines and medication for children.

    I saw her on Bill Maher recently, going on about how parents were treating kids with ADHD medications to keep them under control in many cases.

    For the record, this is a really stupid argument. ADHD medication is a stimulant. If your child does not have ADHD, it will not do anything to "control" their behavior or "quiet" them down. It will "rev" them up.

    So the idea that we have huge numbers of kids getting Adderall or Focalin who don't need it is pretty stupid.

    Then she went on about autism/asperger's being overdiagnosed. In my opinion, it is underdiagnosed.

    Apparently she and Bill Maher think you can cure autism and ADHD by eating right. (I have a couple of kids I'd like to introduce them to.)

    So Arianna puts all these columns up by people offering quack medical advice and even advising things like chelation to treat autism, which is dangerous!

    She also puts up columns by all these people who link vaccines and autism, though sometimes subtly. I wrote asking if I could write a column debunking this but I received no reply.

    Then Bill Maher said on his last show that the H1N1 vaccine was dangerous and would not prevent flu and goes on about how people should just eat healthy.

    And how great marijuana is.

    I just find that ironic. Medicine is bad, everyone can cure all their ills by eating healthy, and smoking lots of pot is good.

    http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

    by CatM on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 03:25:32 PM PDT

  •  It's a sad sad state of affairs. (1+ / 0-)
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    In a way, it shows a big problem in today's America: Our irrationality - which sadly, seems to be on the rise.

    And the really sad part is that it's not restricted to the Right-wing/Teabagger/Fundamentalist/Creationist crowd, but that we have this 'hippie crap' which is essentially the American Left's response.

    Which is just as bad. Maybe even worse. At least the fundies have a misguided religion to base their hostility to science on. But this stuff is just believing b.s. for the sake of.. well, what?

    It's horribly destructive to our cause (as in 'we' - left-wingers with a sane scientific outlook). How can we fight global warming and such in the name of science, if a segment of the same crowd are themselves denying scientific facts in a different area? Why would anyone believe HuffPo's reporting on Global Warming when they promote medical quackery?

    This turning of REALITY into some kind of matter of personal opinion is rotting America to the core. Who's going to fight for Enlightenment? - The ideas on which this nation was founded (although they're trying to subvert that, too!) It's obviously not today's GOP.

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    1. Gossip lures people to the progressive editorials.  Good.
    1. Homeopathy apparently means treatments involving mostly water and you criticize that, yet then redefine it to the more popular meaning, any drug that is not made through big pharma.  That's disingenuous.  The second title there was arnica and I can attest that arnica works.  I posit that their promotion of alternative medicine can be a positive too, even if some of them get carried away with silly examples.  Just because a technique is not corporate does not mean that it does or does not work.
    •  You misrepresent me (0+ / 0-)

      I never made the distinction you claim. Medicine is scientifically verified advice. "Alternatives" are not medicines. There is absolutely no reason to accept any advice that is not tested.

      Big Pharma is a fraud. They hate cures, promote "treatments" (substituting other problems while treating s symptom of the disease.

      Pharma has no monopoly on medicine. There are many proven herbal remedies. That's what chemotherapy is, after all. Herbal alternatives to Viagra have been discovered. They are medicine. They are tested and reviewed.

      My diabetes medications come from Big Pharma. They help. I can measure the effect daily. They also can cause problems.It is my decision to accept increased risks to deal with a chronic condition. I'd be happy to augment them with any alternatives that have scientific studies to support the claims and establish the risks.

      Is it not written "There's a lot goes on we don't get told."? (Lu Tze)

      by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:27:31 PM PDT

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  •  Something to note (0+ / 0-)

    In most every German, Dutch, French and Spanish (I have not been much in other countries) pharmacy one can buy homeopathic medicine, even in very small towns. These are not just some alternative nut cases using this, but a large part of the society.

    It is unfortunate that European education is so bad that people there actually fall for this!

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