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Or should I just call him "Obama" like everybody else.

There was a time in this country when being elected President meant something . . .

We can debate the reasons, but there can be no doubt that in 9 short months, President Obama has officially become the most disrespected President in U.S. history.

The response to his winning of the Nobel prize seals the deal.

I would list all the slights, but why bother?

Those who have been paying attention remember, those who haven't will tell me about Bill Clinton.

And it's all good.

For every person out there who ever wondered what it is like to be a "minority", take notes.

It's the cumulative effect of the little daily slights that get ya.

It's being on perennial probation that gets ya.

It's the denial of there being any problem at all that gets ya.

UPDATE: Here's a previous diary with a list for those who doubt I can make one - and that's an OLD list - lots of stuff has happened since then.

UPDATE 2: I wanted to amplify this comment from myself in the comments:

I have no anger and I am not trying to convince anyone, which is why there is no list.

It is my observation of the situation.

Based on the facts I have perceived, this President is being disrespected a whole lot in a short time.

Nobody has to agree, just wanted to put it in writing - bear witness to the phenomena.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

Originally posted to Nashville fan on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:25 AM PDT.

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    •  If Bill Cosby had been elected president, (0+ / 0-)

      would things be the same?

      Cosby garners great respect from most everyone, thus race is hardly ever the true issue.  Relentlessly using it as "the" excuse every time there is a difference of opinion has long grown old.

      Sure, there are racists.  But you'll never be able to fix them, anymore than sexists, ageists, or republican-haters will ever evolve ... not for at least another 100,000 years or so, anyway.

      The need to find something "wrong" with those with whom one disagrees is all too common, and bespeaks not well of the thought-holder.

      •  That's silly. Billy Cosby? (4+ / 0-)
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        He's a great guy and all, but an actor, not a politician. JFK was a Catholic, that was bad. And had we had the communication ability we have today, maybe we would have realized just how much hatred there was. It's not just about the President being bi-racial - true enough. If he was not very smart and not charismatic (apart from the fact that he likely wouldn't have been elected), it would be easier. Then perhaps he could be mocked for stupid remarks and idiocy and he 'only got there because he's not white,' but that is very hard to say even if you disagree with his direction, policies and politics. Racism is a big part of it. Those who belong to the Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh et al cults and believe they are the 'truthsayers' can't deal with the fact that being white is no longer enough. And this bi-racial man - even if you disagree with him - is neither and idiot nor stupid. And that's unacceptable. In my opinion it's not about finding 'what's wrong' with those people - it's a fact that times have changed and they can't handle it.
          And as posted by Liberal Reality Check - it's a vocal minority of US citizens who 'disrespect' the President.

      •  Yeah, but I am not saying that racism is the (1+ / 0-)
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        reason for the disrespect.

        I am saying that there are record levels of disrespect.

      •  It isn't? (2+ / 0-)
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        I seem to recall that when Bill Cosby called out some aspects of African American popular culture which he views as detrimental to themselves, he was nearly drawn and quartered.  At the time it was happening, I don't recall all the great respect he was getting.  

        We"supported him not to revive a right-left war, but to...move past that divide. He has kept that promise. We need to reward him with our support." Sullivan

        by pvlb on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 07:12:17 AM PDT

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        •  Cosby is a hero (1+ / 0-)
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          to the wingnuts who send out emails blaming minorities for all the problems of the nation. They use twist his words to insinuate that racism is in the past, and if black people have any problems it's their own fault.

          "Well, you've got to understand, they're Republicans. They're just doing what comes natural." -John Dingell

          by happy camper on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 07:32:51 AM PDT

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      •  What the hell do you mean here? (0+ / 0-)

        That because the presdient Obama is not Bill Cosby, he deserves disrespect? And that the horrendous attacks on the president of US are simply the democratic sounds of disagreement? What the hell are you saying?

  •  Not true (54+ / 0-)

    He is only disrespected by a vocal minority of US citizens. The majority of Americans and the world respect President Obama, and it is time that THOSE respectful voices be heard.

    I am already known as VirtualTruth, times have changed and so has my cause. The Far left can not become the new radical far right

    by Liberal Reality Check on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:30:57 AM PDT

  •  Take heart in this (13+ / 0-)

    For a greater number of people, he is one of the most, if not the most, respected and revered Presidents in US history.  

    The loud-mouth haters get more than their share of pixels and airwaves.  

  •  Abraham Lincoln, during his term in office (23+ / 0-)

    Folks didn't threaten to secede, they did secede.

    Governing well shall be the best revenge

    by Bill White on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:33:34 AM PDT

  •  Is calling Obama "Obama" disrespectful too? (4+ / 0-)

    just wondering

    "He's like any other president -- he's a politician and he's got to do what politicians do." Rev. Jeremiah Wright

    by PhillyGal on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:33:49 AM PDT

  •  Actually I think Lincoln was (6+ / 0-)
    After all, he had half the country seceed just because he was elected President. Having half the US go to war against you is pretty disrespectful, ain't it? (Truth is, I would be GLAD to see parts of this country seceed today, notably Texas, Tennesee, North Carolina, and Utah).
    AS to your implied complaint we should call him "President" Obama, I don't know ... we call Washington and Lincoln and FDR and JFK by their names, don't seem to be disrepectful to THEM, is it? Now I spect Bush and Cheney to demand they be called "Pres" and "VP" when you talk to them, but I don't give respect to people who haven't earned it. I do have a title for them, tho: fuckhead.

    "There is no radical change without blood spent"

    by fourthcornerman on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:34:01 AM PDT

  •  You think that because the newz allows a (2+ / 0-)
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    minority to appear larger and more important than they are. Looking at this another way, no one's launched a shoe at him.

    Thank God men cannot as yet fly and lay waste the sky as well as the earth. -- Henry David Thoreau

    by the fan man on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:35:22 AM PDT

    •  The same way the news allowed the Iraq war build (2+ / 0-)
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      up, and the lie filled McCain/Palin campaign, and the birther debacle, and the death panel diversion, and any number of other pre-planned and coordinated ATTACKS on this Presidency.

      Its bold and its brazen, and yet we all pretend that its not a big deal.


      •  it's not a big deal because it's expected (0+ / 0-)

        Republicans aren't going to stop being bigoted assholes anytime soon.

        Kill the corporations - Save the Republic

        by The Dead Man on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:32:01 AM PDT

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      •  Most people don't (0+ / 0-)

        pretend it not a Big Deal. During the Bush Regime the media/TV was reduced to nothing but a propaganda machine. Al Gore even wrote a book about it, The Assault of Reason. It seems to me it's regional, and it has been brewing for a long time, it was called the cultural war and the pols and media both played it and fanned it.

        I think the disrespect of the ignorant and fearful right wingers is a sort of culture shock reaction to losing power that they felt they had since Reagun and the so called moral majority. they were part of a coalition from hell. In a way it's a good sign that our own fundies are losing it. The media can no longer portray them as the Heartland or real American's.

        The rest of us sane people (lol) can see exactly how nasty, ignorant and hateful this vocal minority is. They have all slithered out from under their stones and the out of power right wing via the TV and hate radio uses them to drown out the reality, that the majority of people world wise are no longer being jerked around by the fundies anf their sponsors the neocons.. Jon Steward is now the most trusted news because there is no real news via the corporate media.  

        Calling our presidents by one name is not disrespectful, I think it's always been part of our character as a democracy. Respect is not demanded the president is not King. President Obama is respected by most of the world except by those who do not understand the most basic concepts of democracy and human decency. Those that want to take the country away from the concepts of  our sacred documents that proclaim all men are created equal, and other self evident truths.                  

    •  Mostly because (1+ / 0-)
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      he doesn't deserve to have a shoe thrown at him.

      You don't throw shoes at Nobel Peace Prize winners, you throw shoes at imperialistic liars.

      Reason can never prove the existence of God. Immanuel Kant

      by Patriot4peace on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:03:47 AM PDT

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  •  Here comes a manichean idea. (10+ / 0-)

    He is simultaneously the most respected and disrespected president in my lifetime.  I know the two seem mutually exclusive, but there's the paradox.  The President is hugely respected both in America and around the globe.  The disrespecters are fewer in number, but overwhelmingly ferocious.

    Where the brook puts out of the roots of the old tree and flows to the meadow

    by peterborocanuck on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:41:18 AM PDT

    •  I get that, but it only takes one person to end a (0+ / 0-)


      And we are dealing with way more than one.

      And yet we have already been conditioned to accept it.

      •  Speak for yourself. (3+ / 0-)
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        There is no way I accept tacitly, implicitly or otherwise what you obliquely refer to.  If some sorry sad sack beckster tries something like that, we would see just how accepting people really are.  The conflagration it would touch off has not been seen in US history, and the US has been forced to bear witness to some unholy messes.

        Where the brook puts out of the roots of the old tree and flows to the meadow

        by peterborocanuck on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:52:12 AM PDT

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    •  That's Because One of Our 2 Parties Is Dedicated (4+ / 0-)
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      to dismantling the entire possibility of governance by and for the people.


      It's not a shooting war, but it is a systems war, and all things considered they're still winning.

      The United States in its dominant trade, military, tax and regulatory policies remains a solid Reaganocracy to this minute.

      There is no way for the middle class to stop declining and the super rich to stop accumulating larger shares of the gross national wealth that has yet been proposed.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:10:21 AM PDT

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      •  "Shooting war v. systems war"...great line! (0+ / 0-)

        We are really are in a systems war, and all the drama and unreality are because one system (ours) has overtaken the other, which is screaming out as it dies.  Or at least as it loses.  Or maybe as it's dragged off to jail.

        The demographics are unstoppable.  More and more minorities, more young people who don't buy their crap, more people seeing the wreckage their "ideas" bring.  The Repubs are going down, fast.

  •  On the other hand, President Obama (9+ / 0-)

    is the ONLY President in my life time that I have respected, volunteered for, donated to etc. And after 9 months, nothing has changed that. I will go wherever this man tells me to go.

    I could give a rats a$$ what FoxNews, Rush and Beck thinks. I trust that the Secret Service are keeping a close on them and other right-wing lunatics as needed.

  •  Now, now. This is one (1+ / 0-)
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    thing you can't control, so there's no use getting worked up about it.  Also, better to be the President and "disrespected" early in your first term than the losing nominee NOT in your first term.


    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:46:17 AM PDT

    •  Perspective is important. (0+ / 0-)

      At the same time the hate that is spewed and the ridiculous allegations get a bit much. The gospel according to Beck and Limbaugh has a stronger hold than I ever thought possible. Our regular religious leaders need to be afraid and need to step in! Of course those who agree with the 'cult' won't.

  •  The great American tradition of disrespecting the (2+ / 0-)
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    President is almost as old as the tradition of respecting the President - probably as old, in fact. I don't think Obama has been called anything worse than what Shrub was called (by people like me) yet. I never called for Shrub's or any other person's assassination - but there certainly were people who did, including right here on this board. There were presidents in the 19th century who were far more despised - and were the target of worse profanity - than either Shrub or Obama have been.

    An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz (cskendrick)

    by brainwave on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:46:36 AM PDT

    •  As far as I know (4+ / 0-)

      No black person has brought a gun to a Palin or a Bush rally.No black person held up a sign that threatened the children of Dubya or Palin.

      Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

      by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:50:31 AM PDT

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      •  Yeah, well, that gun thing isn't really something (1+ / 0-)
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        a lot of us folks on the left are particularly comfortable with. I'm not saying there aren't any gun lovers on the left - there sure are - but toting guns as a way of expressing a political stance is certainly more a thing of the right wing, at least in this country.

        An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz (cskendrick)

        by brainwave on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:59:36 AM PDT

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      •  Disrespect can be shown in thousands (0+ / 0-)

        of ways. Bringing a gun is not the only measure of disrespect. Especially if it's part of an agenda.

        My friends and I have sat around and totally disrespected and rediculed Bush in ways, if publicized, would probably earn Bush the most disrespected status.

      •  Brainwave, there is no great American tradition (2+ / 0-)
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        Of disrespecting the President.It's illegal to threaten the President's life.When have you seen a black man walk down the street with a loaded machine gun and not get shot?Fox even praised the fool as a hero.

        Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

        by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:18:08 AM PDT

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        •  the diff is 1000 UNCONTESTED RW radio stations (1+ / 0-)
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          - local stations, with one near everyone, feeding off and reinforcing their own crap and protected from criticism and truth by call screeners

          their local sponsors need to be called and asked if they agree with the threats and lies and global warming denial

          ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

          by certainot on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 09:03:18 AM PDT

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    •  I was talking with someone the other day (4+ / 0-)

      and she said, "the Presidency is not an office that is respected anymore."  I was a little shocked and then I realized that she may be right.  Yes, there is a long history of the opposite side decrying what the President's actions are.

      But when I think about people like Richard Nixon--who took our most valuable right, that of fair elections--and tossed it into the toilet.  Now that's a person who has certainly denigrated the office of the Presidency.  But in my opinion, there is no President in our history who has done more to slap down the International view of the U.S. Presidency than George W. Bush.  I doubt I need to list his achievements in that category.

      I have enormous respect for President Obama (and that is the correct way to address him).  Personally, I feel that he is doing much to restore the respect of the office of the U.S. Presidency.  And I think that will take time and unlike a lot of others who blog here on Kos, I'm willing to give him the time and my continued support.

      Three seconds till I'm called an "Obamabot."  Pffft!

      "there's time for naught but bold resolves." John Barth

      by lovespaper on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:22:29 AM PDT

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  •  Not by a longshot. (0+ / 0-)

    As many have pointed out above, Lincoln didn't just have threats of secession... half the country actually seceded between his election and his taking of the Oath.

    Similarly, Adams was absolutely pilloried by the presses that were allied with Jefferson and openly accused of being an agent for the British government.  When Jefferson was elected, turnabout was fair play, and the Federalist presses not only accused him of being secretly an agent for the French, but also wrote about his affair with Sally Hemings.

    President Obama's got a ways to go before he's the most disrespected President in history.

    Call Congress and demand 2 Senators, 1 VOTING Rep, and full home rule for DC citizens. Anything less is un-American.

    by mistersite on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:51:53 AM PDT

  •  You would have to "list all the other slights" (0+ / 0-)

    in order for this diary not to be hyperbole.

    But you didn't.  So it is.

    If you had laid out an actual case as to how me calling the hippest president since Jimmy Carter "Obama" is showing him disrespect, I might have even signed on to it.

    Do I disagree with the shallow premise that Obama often does not get credit when credit is due?  No!

    All I say is that this diary does a piss poor job of making even THAT point, let alone anything loftier or deeper.

    "Congress ... please tell me I don't have to shriek louder than they do to get health care reform passed."

    by Detroit Mark on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:51:58 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, I have written that diary before, and got (0+ / 0-)

      the exact same responses.

      •  That was a diary about racism (0+ / 0-)

        This is a loose commentary about a lack of respect and protocol.

        "Congress ... please tell me I don't have to shriek louder than they do to get health care reform passed."

        by Detroit Mark on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:27:16 AM PDT

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        •  Different topics, same list. And the previous (0+ / 0-)

          diary asked what was the problem if it wasn't racism?

          And I still don't have an answer.

          Just lots of examples of other Presidents being called names and what not.

          •  Ok I'll engage (0+ / 0-)

            The old diary at least has a list.

            This one does not.  It links to the old one now.

            So when you say "same list" I presume you mean "Just read the old diary and just apply the list to this one."

            Except if I were to do that I would basically be accepting the fact that you've reposted the same diary.


            It's coming apart for you.  I get that you're feeling some kind of anger toward how the President is being treated.  I want to get on the band wagon.  I really do.  I just am not about to load my fat ass on to a wagon that has no codder pins in the axles or something to hold on to when we hit a pothole.

            Keep working at it.  Good luck.

            "Congress ... please tell me I don't have to shriek louder than they do to get health care reform passed."

            by Detroit Mark on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:43:44 AM PDT

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            •  Thanks for engaging. I have no anger and I am not (0+ / 0-)

              trying to convince anyone, which is why there is no list.

              It is my observation of the situation.

              Based on the facts I have perceived, this President is being disrespected a whole lot in a short time.

              Nobody has to agree, just wanted to put it in writing - bear witness to the phenomena.

              Nothing more.

              Nothing less.

  •  You must be joking (6+ / 0-)

    Were you alive during the Nixon era?

  •  Unlike Bush,... (5+ / 0-)

    ...who was given universal, worldwide respect.

    Oh, there you are, Perry. -Phineas -SLB-

    by boran2 on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:55:28 AM PDT

  •  Except for (2+ / 0-)
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    Lincoln. Lincoln was scorned, despised, parodied, hated. He had contstant death threats. His earliest generals ignored him.

    So was Franklin Roosevelt. Both were universally loved as well. So take your pick. Transformational presidents get them both.

    "Damn it, baby, you've got to be kind"__Kurt Vonnegut

    by Texasblue on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:57:02 AM PDT

  •  Don't confuse volume with numbers n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    Repent. The end is extremely f*cking nigh.--28 days later

    by voroki on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 05:57:06 AM PDT

  •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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    To say President Obama is the most disrespected president is stretching it a bit, don't you think?  What is his approval rating? 55 percent?  Granted, approval is not exactly the same as respect, but it's as close as I can think of....

    •  I haven't seen T-shirts worn at (2+ / 0-)
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      Rallies that called for any other President's blood to be used as tree fertilizer.If someone did that at a Dubya rally and brought a machine gun loaded, they would have been shot by the authorities.At rallies where the President is at these people are interviewed, not arrested for treason.

      Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

      by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:06:00 AM PDT

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      •  The reason you did not see it is because (1+ / 0-)
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        that is not how the left behaves.  This anti-democratic (both the party and the idea) movement is on the right.  If the President were Hillary instead of the racial attacks, they would be sexist.  If it were Edwards (assuming the scandal had not happened) the attacks would be against his profession and his wife (the right really can't stand it when women appear smarter than them).

        I know many fear for the safety of the President, I don't.  He has the best security on the planet including limos that Bush made bomb-resistant.  The revenge that the right is seeking will not come out on any public figure.  What will happen is some guy in a car, already angry at the world is listening to Rush or Beck or whoever on the radio, the car in front of him is not moving and has an Obama sticker.  Maybe the guy has a gun, maybe a tire iron but that rage will come out on somebody not connected to the Obama administration.  

        Secret Service knew about the guys with guns at Obama's rallies.  They were far from the venue and were being well surveilled nevertheless, in fact the government probably knew what those fools had for breakfast.  They are little bullies trying to act tough.  The real threat is to the public, and to the public discourse.  The right's extreme hatred will get innocent civilians killed and eventually that reality will make it's way into their bubble.  Obama is safe, it is the rest of us that should be worried.

      •  But that's really just a small number of nuts... (0+ / 0-)

        Look at the polls!  Obama is doing great!  He's a "coinage" president!  We need to keep pushing him to do the right thing, though.  He's said as much in some of his speeches.

  •  When I say that people that bring guns (0+ / 0-)

    To the Presidents rallies are interviewed, I mean by journalist not the Secret Service.

    Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

    by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:13:39 AM PDT

  •  Yep, for having done nothing to deserve it, (1+ / 0-)
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    President Obama is disliked by a loud minority in the USA. I also remember his predecessor being called Shrub, Frat Boy, and W, but he made the wrong decisions every single time and calling him these names eased some of the pain of his administration.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:15:02 AM PDT

    •  yeah, but this is a little deeper than (1+ / 0-)
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      "calling names".

      If this was about "calling names" I don't think I would have mentioned it.

    •  Quick shann (1+ / 0-)
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      How many guns did black people bring to a Shrub, fratboy, of Dubya rally?I'm waiting.

      Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

      by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:20:29 AM PDT

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      •  legally or illegally? President Obama is (0+ / 0-)

        restrained in his support for the 2nd Amendment and has been unfairly demonized as a gun grabber. Maybe this had something to do with the guns near his speech.

        I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

        by shann on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:24:29 AM PDT

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        •  Uh huh. The rationalizations in this thread are (0+ / 0-)

          a wonder to behold.

        •  No it's the fact that he's (0+ / 0-)

          Black.When Mark Levin and his friends sent people to rallies and told them to bring their gun ,we all know what type of dog whistle was being sent.Get the N****r!I heard it, didn't you?

          BTW, in the real America where I live black people are careful around policemen when they pull out their cell phone, it could be fatal.We all know it was a republiklan set up when a black man can walk to a Presidential function with a loaded shotgun.

          If it was a black man with a red bow tie near Palin or Shrub with a machine gun they would have been shot.All those black at those townhalls were paid plants.

          Think...It ain't illegal yet ! George Clinton

          by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:32:58 AM PDT

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  •  Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan (0+ / 0-)

    Andrew Johnson, Warren G. Harding ...

    " It's shocking what Republicans will do to avoid being the 2012 presidential nominee."

    by jwinIL14 on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:24:46 AM PDT

  •  FDR and lincoln were dissed far worse (1+ / 0-)
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    although if obama ultimately manages to ram through any analogous historically significant reforms, i'm sure the vitriol aimed at him will reach the frenzied heights of the liberty league and confederates.

    surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

    by wu ming on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:39:12 AM PDT

  •  My 2 cents (0+ / 0-)

    When the guy is our guy, we notice every slight and we are hyper sensitive to every negative story out there. I probably belong to this camp.

    I was watching a comedy routine - a rerun from a couple of years ago shown on comedy central recently. The guy was dissing Bush using words like mother fucker and asshole. I guess I didn't notice this then but now I took notice that someone was using these words at the president of the United States.

    I am not a Bush supporter by any means but I was deeply offended when the shoe was thrown at him in Iraq. I do not know how many on the left rejoiced this. I hope not many.

    All I am saying is that, there will always be people who disrespect the president. Focusing on the positive is all we can do.

    No fear No envy No meanness

    by raomdc on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:42:32 AM PDT

    •  Dubya was all those words you said he was. (1+ / 0-)
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      When someone here can prove that black people , Hispanics, or women brought guns to a Dubya rally I will shut up.Besides Shrubs rallies were screened, the current President doesn't do that.

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      by kid funkadelic on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 06:48:00 AM PDT

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      •  Sure (0+ / 0-)

        .. there is the KKK wing of the republican party that hates black people. Sure the party of NO has been obtuse and negative from day 1. But we defeated them remember? We won! Obama won! If he was so disrespected, he would have lost way too early in the game.

        Most Americans are in the middle. In fact they don't even pay attention (unfortunately) to anything that is going on in Washington. But they do take notice when the fringe opposes president's speech to school kids, their cheering of US having lost its bid to Olympics, they take notice when the creeps bring guns to a townhall. This cant be good for their party or politics but I am not complaining. I am having fun watching them self destruct.

        No fear No envy No meanness

        by raomdc on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 07:01:25 AM PDT

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    •  Can we compare comedy and news? (0+ / 0-)

      Comedy routines is the proper place I would say.

      The "news"?

      Not so much.

  •  It is one of President Obama's strengths (9+ / 0-)

    that he knew that this structure of disrespect would be there from the beginning. He knew it was (and is) just another bar he has to get over and deal with every day. And so he does.

    I share your anger with it, but I will not let that anger take center stage. We have to much work to do. The almost auto-disrespect is partly rooted in 500 years of racism in the "new world" and also in the easy cynicism of our age. It is wrong and unfair, but it is still just another obstacle to overcome. And we will.


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    by dengre on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 07:01:37 AM PDT

  •  In a... (2+ / 0-)
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    mrchumchum, Nashville fan

    pure sense, I'd have to disagree that hes the most disrespected president. The comments in this diary already offer better candidates for that title.

    However, if you utilize a measure I'll call "saturation disrespect", measured not by individual sentiment but by media density, then Obama "wins" hands down.

  •  My absolute PET PEEVE is when I see in comments (5+ / 0-)

    not necessarily here, but anywhere no the internet, where President Obama is referred to as "barry" despite the fact that's what he went by when he was a young child, he has gone on to go by his name. And when lowlifes out there use it, it's totally meant to be derisive and disrespectful.

    Yes he's faced more opposition - and a higher level of standard.

    I still get pissed that people don't get how huge are problems are, and they don't get the complexity and pile on him when he doesn't do things fast enough or the way they see it.

    It's ridiculous, they actually expect him to act like the "messiah" and create miracles, and then berate others when we demand simple respect or sound supportive of him, as some indication that we think he's a god or something.

    I don't think in general it's an issue if people shorten to refer to him as Obama, as even articles sometimes refer to last names, like Bush, Reagen etc.

    I do prefer President Obama, he earned it, and damn it, that's what I am going to call him.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King

    by pinkbunny on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 07:22:49 AM PDT

  •  The problem is discerning what's real. (1+ / 0-)
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    We have so few measures to determine the truth of your statement but I have to agree with the many others that there have been many presidents who suffered as much or far worse.  Lincoln being way up there.  Adams was smeared and savaged by his own Veep - TJ.

    That said, there's no doubt there's a great deal of racism and hideous disrespect flying around.  But again, what measures to we have to determine what's true?  National polling is probably as close as we can get.  And that indicates we have a very well-liked president.  World-wide even more so.

    My resistance to statements like yours comes from my unwillingness to submit to what the media wants more than anything - hysteria.  That's its purpose.  Its purpose is to gin up controversy, to focus on the worst of the worst and to make people angry.  It's by design.  I refuse to let it get me.

  •  Even white libs poo-poo the Nobel Prize! (5+ / 0-)

    Screw Richard Cohen, Ruth Marcus, and the rest of the DC chattering class, etc.  I'm pretty damned white and even I'm offended and disgusted.  

  •  If only we could all have Obama's problems... (2+ / 0-)
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    The majority voted for him.
    The majority of the country approves of him.
    The majority of the world approves of him.

    The ones who don't may be loud, but don't confuse that with strenght.  That is desperation.  That is a death rattle.

    I mean it's like these guys take pride in ignorance! It's like they like being ignorant.

    by math monkey on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 08:10:05 AM PDT

  •  I don't know GWB... (1+ / 0-)
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    was pretty disrespected by many...although it was well deserved...

    Obama - Change I still believe in

    by dvogel001 on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 08:38:56 AM PDT

  •  Nah, we lost our deference to presidents... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...during Jefferson's time.  Or maybe John Adams.  That's one of the most positive things about our political culture.  I wouldn't trade it for quasi-monarchical deference that masks citizens' true opinions.

    Al que no le guste el caldo, le dan dos tazas.

    by Rich in PA on Sun Oct 11, 2009 at 08:46:33 AM PDT

    •  completely agree (0+ / 0-)

      citizens should feel free to be disrespectful towards the government and officeholders.

      they are supposed to be our employees, and are supposed to be regular americans like anyone else.

    •  I don't think "deference" is the the same as (0+ / 0-)


      But hey, what do I know.

      Let's just all keep whistling past the grave yard and taking polls.

      Its all in my imagination . . . just like I said in the diary . . . this is the usual and expected response.

  •  You clearly don't know much about history (0+ / 0-)

    Trust me, you think Obama's been called terrible things, you should see some of the things say, Lincoln was called. Or read the slime that got hurled at Andrew Jackson (who, when his wife died of a heart attack shortly after he won the presidency, blamed the slurs and attacks hurled at her for causing the fatal stress).

    •  yeah, I do know my history and this is not about (0+ / 0-)

      name calling.

      But if folks want to comfort themselves with history and ignore the obvious differences then that is fine by me.

      I notice a difference, and this diary is a statement of that fact.

      I did not expect anyone else to notice it . . . I feel confident that it will eventually reach a point where it can no longer be poo pooed.

      I hope it doesn't, but that is the path we are on.

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