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Liberals dream about it, progressives demanded it--someone listened.

Paul Schmelzer of the Minnesota Independent reports that there is now in existence a "Bachmann/Palin in 2012!" website. (But Schmelzer suspects it's just a way to sell snarky bumperstickers.)

Almost every time I post something on the Kos about Bachmann, some wiseguy progressive writes in to yell:
"Palin/Bachmann in 2012!" (continued)

Well, someone must have thought that's pretty funny. Be careful what you wish for, is all I can say.

Here's the MNIndy article:

And here's the Palin/Bachmann website. (Hey, look at that, they're using Bachmann's "we're seeing the fulfillment of the Book of Judges" quote that I transcribed from a radio broadcast back in 2004.)


They're former Republican Senate Majority Leaders, former heroes of Bachmann's conservative GOP--but they were too "non-pro-freedom" for Michele...

So under the bus they go! "Non-pro-freedom" is the latest convolution I've heard from Bachmann. I guess that's something like "anti-freedom" or "soft on the freedom thing."

Who would have thought that? Bob Dole, losing an arm fighting for the forces of "non-pro-freedom" in WWII. Bill Frist, an evangelical voter's darling who fought to keep Terry Schiavo alive by diagnosing her via television--a "non-pro-freedom" candidate.

Their real sin, if you pay attention to Laura Ingraham's interview with Bachmann, is that they lost their respective elections. That is apparently how you tell a "non-pro-freedom" Republican from a real one. Bachmann's loyalty to fellow Republicans runs as deep as a Pravda editorial policy.

Here is a link to read about it:

The congressional race going on up in upstate New York: I'm doing it as a Bachmann item because:

  1. Bachmann's chimed in on it
  1. in the last 24 hours, political pundit EJ Dionne has identified this race as one of those "bellwether" events that tells us what's going on in the national GOP and the GOP rank-and-file


  1. Dionne cites an astonishing poll result at the end of his piece.

Let's start with the astonishing poll result. Buried at the bottom of Dionne's piece is this:

(The national Republican party)is getting to be a small, comfy group. The Washington Post-ABC News poll this week found that only 20 percent of adults identify themselves as Republicans, the lowest single number in Post-ABC polls since 1983. Only 19 percent had confidence in congressional Republicans "to make the right decisions for the country's future." Even congressional Democrats got 34 percent on that question, and Obama scored 49 percent.

After a summer of rabid teabagging and shouting down and threatening at health reform town halls, after nearly a year of Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and Michele Bachmann making non-stop broadcast of conspiracy allegations against Obama and the Democrats--only twenty per cent of Americans polled are willing to identify themselves as Republicans.

That's astonishing. I've never seen the McCarthyite style backfire so spectacularly. The craziest and most irresponsible people in the conservative movement have had their way since the election of Obama--and this is the harvest for the GOP. The GOP has traded on dividing the country for decades--and they got their way. The country's divided, and their share is now twenty per cent.

This means that they're even losing some evangelical conservative voters, a base and pillar of the national party for the past ten years--a constituency that makes or breaks GOP presidential campaigns.

Too early to celebrate, but if the crazy talk continues to produce a reaction like this--the national Dems, liberals and progressives will have something to celebrate next year.

Now to that New York state election, and what it means. The local Republicans selected a Republican "moderate," Assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava as their candidate. The right wing of the party rebelled and decided to back the Conservative Party's Doug Hoffman. As a result of the split, Democrat Bill Owens is in first place right now.

Hoffman is getting endorsements from the hard right. Dick Armey wants him, evangelical organizer Gary Bauer wants him, Glenn Beck and Mark Levin and Rush Limbaugh want him.

And Michele Bachmann wants him, too.

Said Bachmann: "Hoffman is on the ascendancy, and we have to win this seat, and people need to get behind the winning candidate, and it looks like that's Hoffman."

With a string of endorsements like that, and twenty per cent of Americans willing to identify as Republican--how can Hoffman lose?

Dionne thinks it's the GOP committing seppuku, again.

Here's the Dionne piece, it's good. It gives you the Gingrich v. Armey take on the race; who'd have thought that Gingrich could ever seem like "the voice of reason" by comparison.
Here's Hoffmann for Congress page, with the endorsements of the those who thirst for their own blood. (Hoffman's people think Gingrich's endorsement of the moderate will cost him the presidency in 2012! Oh, the humanity!)
Here's a Swing State Project blog piece that profiles the Palin/Bachmann endorsements of the right wing splitter--and Hoffman's suggestion that the press give him advance notice of any questions they may want to ask him.

Action link: To contribute to Bachmann's Dem opponent Tarryl Clark...

And to celebrate that "Republicans are down to 20%" figure, here's a poll of my own for you to play with.

Originally posted to Bill Prendergast on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:18 AM PDT.


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  •  Palin/Bachmann... (4+ / 0-)
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    Kimball Cross, ER Doc, MKSinSA, NormAl1792

    A ticket with that much estrogen would never be embraced by the Republican party, no matter what they may pretend.  I saw a Huckabee/Palin 2012 sticker recently. I'm hoping it was custom made, because I hate the thought that there's really a market for that kind of shit already.

    •  Huckabee's the current leader in the GOP (6+ / 0-)

      field. He's genial (like Reagan most of the time) and he comes with the endorsement of the evangelical hierarchy. Palin has added the talk radio conservatives to her evangelical base, but she's a proven Hindenburg. So I don't know if they're stupid enough to put a walking disaster area on a Huckabee ticket.

      I think that in the current field, Huckabee's the one to keep tabs on.

      •  Ha! "a proven Hindenburg"! (5+ / 0-)

        I'm SO gonna use that!

        I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

        by beemerr90s on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:27:43 AM PDT

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      •  My prediction remains Romney / Huckabee (2+ / 0-)
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        Bill Prendergast, NormAl1792

        Romney for the technocrats and rabid tax cutters, Huck for the religious right. I think they'd get a solid 45%.

        In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

        by blue aardvark on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 10:17:36 AM PDT

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        •  Not a bad pick. But the tendency with the (1+ / 0-)
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          blue aardvark

          GOP has not been to combine "two players" (The last time they did that successfully was Reagan and Bush I, I think.)

          What they done over the last twenty years is to pick "a player" (Bush II) and a "surprise" (eg, Cheney, a Bush family retainer whose presence on the ticket didn't add a single vote to the GOP total.) Quayle was a "surprise," Palin was a "surprise"... They were surprises because the knee jerk reaction to "who should be on the ticket" is "well, if you're interested in putting together your maximum vote total, you pick two people who will bring in the most votes from different constituencies."

          Your Huckabee/Romney ticket achieves that, but there's no "surprise"--the new news dimenstion that galvanizes the campaign and generates excitement with the faithful. I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm pointing out that it would depart from previous Republican national strategy.

  •  Unity (2+ / 0-)
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    Bill Prendergast, MKSinSA

    We should all support a Palin/Bachmann ticket; it is the only way we will get them out of government and out of the lime-light.

  •  Gnarly poll (3+ / 0-)

    but I do generally vote in poll if the choices are feasible.

    And I can't stay away from La Bachman.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:28:36 AM PDT

  •  While I tend to agree, a word of caution: (4+ / 0-)

    I thought the same thing about Reagan.  That didn't work out so well...

    I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    by beemerr90s on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:28:51 AM PDT

  •  Bachmann -- Kaufman - coincidence? (1+ / 0-)
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    Bill Prendergast

    irony aside, i can't see Michelle Bachmann any longer as anything BUT a 'put up' -- while i am sure she isn't ... i also don't see how she is helping the republicans in anyway

    admittedly, i might be well pulling my hair out if she were my rep (my hair has its own problems with Eric Cantor!) ...

    but overall, she sure as hell seems like she is doing way more harm than good for the party overall

    but -- that would NOT include putting her anywhere NEAR a roll in actually running the government -- the risk of having her on a POTUS ticket (like palin) would be greater than either the comedy value or the electoral advantage

    "I want to keep them alive long enough that I can win them to Christ," - Rick Warren, Professional Greed Driven Scumbag

    by josephk on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:32:49 AM PDT

  •  Any concerns about Maureen Reed? (1+ / 0-)
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    She's having a meet and greet in Circle Pines (prime Indy territory) this week. She's running against Clark for the nom, but is there any sense if she is 100% committed to not continuing if she loses?

    She could spoil for bachmann easily, and MN Independents have a history of doing that for the GOP.

    I noticed Clark got a mn progressive endorsement and they mentioned in it that they thought Reed was more conservative.

    I was paid to post this comment by my cat, but he's a deadbeat.

    by decembersue on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 09:36:56 AM PDT

    •  Reed's a blue dog. The district's conservative (2+ / 0-)
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      Garrett, decembersue

      trending, so yes--all the anti-Bachmann people are aware that Reed plays a splitter function. Reed's aware of that, too, of course--but she's staying in.

      Her argument is that a liberal like Clark stands no chance in a GOP gerrymandered district like the Sixth--so we must go with a Blue Dog, or perish again.

      Problem is that we ran a Blue Dog last time and he lost, too. (There is a big independence vote in our district that none of the other candidates seem to be able to tap. Bachmann's people can exploit it, but no Dem seems to be able to tap it.)

      So yes, all of your observations are basically right and under discussion. This district is a tough Rubik's cube for Dems to crack.

      •  Is she really a Blue Dog? (1+ / 0-)
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        Bill Prendergast

        She comes across as pretty straight up Independence Party to me, seeking a DFL nomination of convenience.

        Blue Dog Democrat is definable, Independence Party is kind of vague, but there is clearly a difference.

        Would a Blue Dog DFLer really go against the DFL nomination?

        Does she really do anything for the party, aside from her own run? Has she got any sort of agenda about electing Democrats in general? A Blue Dog Democrat would have these things.

        •  She's intentionally vague, about all those things (1+ / 0-)
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          ...she's running as a Dem, but she was Independence Party candidate, but now she's a Dem, but she speaks Blue Dog, but now she says she won't necessarily abide by the Dem endorsement and she might continue to campaign anyway, and she's tying up money...

          Understand me--because Bachmann's a maniac demagogue--if Reed gets the nomination and becomes the candidate with the highest anti-Bachmann vote total: I will flip from Clark to Reed so fast that you will think you're at the International House of Pancakes.
          Clark is closer to my personal politics than Reed, but the important thing in this particular election is not loyalty to your own politics--but removal of a hateful nut from the US government, teaching the haters that their hater candidates must fail.

          So I would support Reed, if Reed had the best effective chance of taking out Bachman. But right now, Reed is fulfilling a splitter function that can only benefit Bachmann. (Clark's got all the union endorsments and the support of fellow MN Dems already in Congress.)

      •  I just sent her campaign an email (2+ / 0-)
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        Garrett, Bill Prendergast

        and asked if she lost the nomination, did she pledge to wholeheartedly support the DFL winner. We'll see what we get back.

        It's not true a blue dog is needed to win this district - Tink tried that and even he realized it didn't work. People want a populist who isn't afraid to speak up. Sadly, the dfl bench here is pretty weak, and Clark is tainted because she actually believes in paying for stuff we need...

        I was paid to post this comment by my cat, but he's a deadbeat.

        by decembersue on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 10:06:08 AM PDT

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  •  The producers of SNL are already (2+ / 0-)
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    indyada, Bill Prendergast

    clearing out space on their bookshelves in anticipation of all the emmys they will win with a Palin/Bachmann ticket.

    As for myself, I'm eagerly look forward to the debates.

  •  Bill Prendergast (1+ / 0-)
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    Bill Prendergast

    The man. The boobs. The man-boobs.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 10:16:13 AM PDT

  •  Um...not too crazy about man boobs (1+ / 0-)
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    Bill Prendergast

    but that's just me.

    My daughter is a staunch evangelical conservative, and her take (according to her pastor) of the recent polls is because most "republicans" now consider themselves conservatives.

    And with Sarah campaigning in NY against the republican candidate in favor of theconservative, I'm wondering- could this be true?

    I have 3 friends who switched from GOP to independent, but what do the polls say?

    Is this 'base' getting stronger?

    Growing old is inevitable...Growing up is purely optional

    by grannycarol on Fri Oct 23, 2009 at 10:45:29 AM PDT

    •  I'm probably hanging too much on one poll result. (1+ / 0-)
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      I write in here with bad news so much, that seeing some "really good news" gets me all worked up and I get excited about it and think it's Christmas or something.

      But 20% Republican? That's really got to scare some professional Republicans, right down to the pit of their stomach. And it's got to make some of their pundits sweat, just a little. They'll always be pundit millionaires by catering to a smaller number of idiots, but they'll be returned to the crank status they held within the GOP during the mid-sixties and seventies. They'll be unfashionable and unsuccessful and then they won't be the players that they've been for the past thirty years.

      And that means a lot, if this particular poll number has any base in reality--and if it holds around this number...

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