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Environmental groups thinking of protesting anywhere to support action on climate change should consider picketing the Limbaugh and Hannity superstations.  There may be no better place to get Obama's back and show support for global warming action during the Copenhagen climate summit.

Limbaugh and Hannity both have been giving “Climate-gate” full attention, complete with guest denial 'experts', claiming it is proof that global warming is a hoax.  Environmentalists, Americans, will be making a huge mistake to let “Climate-gate” play out on TV and print and blogs, expecting this to be hashed out in the MSM between flat earther denialists and rational informed environmentalists.

The GOP talk radio machine loves something like this where they can say the ‘liberal’ trad media is ignoring the ‘facts’ and they can go on and on unnoticed by the left. GOP talk radio has been doing the heavy lifting on Overton windows for 20 years and is negating recent gains (like electing a president who believes) toward passing meaningful climate action.

Limbaugh has spent three days frothing about being right the last 15 years and that these leaked emails prove that global warming is a hoax. Hannity has joined in. Regardless of how irrational they are that means it will be just about impossible to get any GOP support on climate deterioration action. Politicians and meteorologists who were thinking it might finally be safe to say the words “global warming” will now be barraged with denialist screaming dittoheads.  Hoax!  Senator Inhoffe is right! And the blue dogs in red states where talk radio rules will have the same screaming dittoheads in their face on global warming as they’re getting on health care reform.

The rest of the right wing loudmouths will likely fall in line as usual, reading the same talking points and 'interviewing' the same experts from the GOP and the corporate think tanks. It is irrelevant that the denialists will be proven tragically wrong in the near future- they have 1000 radio stations, an audience of tens of millions, and are protected by call screeners to make sure they never get real criticism.

The same 1000 radio stations that make a supermajority necessary for every major issue will do the same again on global warming.  Fox will add visual effects.

Many progressives will see delay on climate change as another Obama failure even though Obama has already asked us to get his back regarding talk radio. When he named Limbaugh head of the GOP he did what Clinton, Gore, and Kerry should have done. The GOP media machine fell apart for weeks because all the GOP’s media operatives and politicians had RUSH tattooed on their foreheads. The rest of the media couldn’t rechew the same prechewed talking points without acknowleging who did most of the chewing in the first place. But progressives dropped the ball and attacked Limbaugh personally for a while, ignoring the real problem.

In his health care speech Obama named talk radio and cable TV as the main culprits spreading the lies, in the that order. Did everyone miss that?

Recently he said Fox TV was behaving like talk radio. I think he’s saying it starts with talk radio.

Their purpose is obstruction and compromise and progressives cannot leave the talk radio soapbox unanswered while it enables the flat earthers in the congress and senate to continue obstructing what should be a no brainer effecting all life on Earth. Blogging about a few of their most racist or ridiculous comments isn't going to do it.

Limbaugh just had his third day on this. He has years of experience seeing the talk radio machine make a difference. He knows he’s going to obstruct climate change action because his giant soapbox has never been contested. And once again progressives may get punked by Limbaugh and not even know it.

GOP and red state Dems thinking of doing the right thing amid hoards of screaming dittohead deniers need support. How can the left collectively think it's getting Obama's or Dem reps' backs if they ignore the loudest soapbox on the planet, with giant megaphones in every state, while all day long it threatens them and lies about the causes they want to push?

Global warming won't wait for radio demonopolization or satellite radios or iPods in every car. Calling and emailing Limbaugh's studios is useless but every state has at least one Limbaugh megastation to picket. And their local sponsors need to be called and asked if they agree with the global warming denial and hatemongering.

Originally posted to certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:22 PM PST.

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  •  Not worth the effort (6+ / 0-)

    Wingnuts won't change their minds.  The rest of the American....and World....public believes that Global Warming is caused by man made fossil fuels.

    •  that's what i thought (3+ / 0-)

      The rest of the American....and World....public believes that Global Warming is caused by man made fossil fuels.

      but the politicians don't seem to be paying attention

      ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

      by certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:55:16 PM PST

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    •  the proof is in the pudding (0+ / 0-)

      when farmers learn that their drouth/flood cycle is related to El Nino and La Nina, they pay much more attention to the local meterologist while Fox continues with Rush and weatherpeople. The proof is shown each year by who prepares for drouth and who prepares for flood. Rush listeners were flooded or drouthed out years ago  

  •  WHy is climate change different from (2+ / 0-)
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    anything else, like healthcare ?
    The shrieking radio nuts and Fox are just part of our politics, unfortunately

    I will start when I take office. America is ready to get rid of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. All that is required is leadership." - Obama

    by tiponeill on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:33:46 PM PST

    •  this is a good example (1+ / 0-)
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      of it's effectiveness to obstruct while progressives look elsewhere.

      i don't hear much limbaugh any more but i can't remember him ever spending so much of 3 days on one thing. he may have been having doubts but now he REALLY knows it's a hoax and he knows from experience he can sell it and make a big difference.

      ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

      by certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:41:59 PM PST

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      •  Uh, how's it a good example of its effectiveness (0+ / 0-)

        when you can't show its been at all effective?

        Repent. The end is extremely f*cking nigh.--28 days later

        by voroki on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:59:12 PM PST

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        •  you think the last 20 yrs, (2+ / 0-)
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          since reagan killed the Fairness doctrine, have just been some little cyclical lurch to the right?

          ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

          by certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 06:07:07 PM PST

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          •  LOL. The people who believe him hate Obama (0+ / 0-)

            anyway.

            Repent. The end is extremely f*cking nigh.--28 days later

            by voroki on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 06:16:15 PM PST

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            •  And why do they hate Obama? nt (2+ / 0-)
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              Let's remember that we should care about people even after they're born. - Rep. Alan Grayson

              by StepLeftStepForward on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 06:24:22 PM PST

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            •  it's not about believing them (1+ / 0-)
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              it's about dominating the country with coordinated uncontested repetition to determine what is and what isn't acceptable in the rest of the media. it's about creating a bandwagon of prechewed talking points for the lazy celebrity talking heads to pick from, making the irrational and absurd acceptable through uncontested repetition. it's about intimidating and threatening politicians or enabling them with a constituency for whatever the lobbyists want to sell.

              ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

              by certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 06:29:10 PM PST

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          •  What? Pristine logic here I must say. What (0+ / 0-)

            what lurch to the right? Certainly you have a group of deeply disturbed people who follow limbaugh but your assertion that the country has "lurched to the right" isn't born out by any sort of objective evaluation. Oh that's right. A senate controlled by democrats, a house controlled by democrats and a democratic president indicate a lurch to the right. Its pretty disappointing that on this website you have people who still buy into the idea that the u.s. has "become a rightwing nation"

            Repent. The end is extremely f*cking nigh.--28 days later

            by voroki on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 06:21:46 PM PST

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        •  There are people who believe him (2+ / 0-)
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          That's how it's destructive.

        •  it sold the iraq lies, palin, destroyed the GOP, (1+ / 0-)
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          (it's only saving grace),

          it swiftboated clinton, gore and kerry, van jones, ACORN, and everyone in between.

          it was limbaugh and co.  who wrecked clinton health care reform, not harry and louise. we would probably be debating single payer vs public option by now if not for all that coordinated uncontested repetition.

          it gave the Bush admin the confidence to: go fascist, steal elections, wait five days on New Orleans waiting for black on white violence limbaugh and sons could use for several election cycles.

          palin was chosen to bring in the talk radio base (the GOP base) because she spoke limbaugh (she doesn't  need to read)- limbaugh didn't get behind mccain until the friday before the convention - palin was announced minutes before limbaugh went on the air- the convention would have been a disaster.

          the talk radio monopoly is so loud and dominating dems can't frame an outhouse.

          progressives have to work significantly harder on everything because of the talk radio advantage that they give up without a fight because it gives them a headache. the perfect weapon.

          ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

          by certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 07:36:17 PM PST

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  •  Thanks for posting (3+ / 0-)
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    I think you're right on the money, but what to do? Call advertisers as you suggest? Would that be enough? Push for the return of the fairness doctrine?

    Media Matters & others routinely call out Limbaugh et al. Do we need more of that?

    Thanks.

    350.org! The climate can't wait.

    by B Amer on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:35:41 PM PST

    •  sorry! your comment didn't load the first time (0+ / 0-)

      i've called local sponsors and it is mostly apolitical.

      most just want to be on the loudest station in the state. some go through an ad agency. some are surprised depending on whether you talk to an owner or a manager or assistant. few actually defend limbaugh. some are surprised their biz is sponsoring limbaugh and are obviously not happy to hear it.

      some of the advertisers are a ridiculous match. for instance, i've heard limbaugh doing his regular global warming denial segment, followed immediately by an established window company that could greatly increase their sales with the nationwide or state incentives for increasing energy efficiency that would be part of any recognition of global warming as a problem. then another national window company doing the same thing.

      i've heard the govt food stamp program ads on limbaugh. couldn't get though on the phone but if there is one guy who's more anti food stamp i don't know who that might be.

      the local state university was advertising on the limbaugh megastation. talk about anti higher education.

      many of the local businesses that advertise on those stations have been effected adversely by the economy that resulted from the deregulation they helped sell by sponsoring RW talk radio.

      it's easy to listen once in a while, get a local number or  two, and talk to a local owner or manager.

      i talked to a real estate co owner who says he get 80% of of his business from that limbaugh megastation but he can't stand the  right wingers.

      just the other day i talked to that same station's assistant who said he agreed but the station will never change it.

      picketing some of the stations might get some of the sponsors looking elsewhere, as well as the ad agencies.

      someone recently was trying to get the pro sports involved because many are on those stations.

      if altermnatives are there i think a lot of local sponsors will switch rather than stay with the global warming deniers and hatemongers.

      media matters is great. the problem is they can only highlight certain bits while the radio is going all the time.  i used to think a national searchable transcript database of the main national and local talkers would help  show the patterns of repetition leading to national recognition and acceptance of the completely absurd. but maybe no one could stand to even sift through that stuff.

      nothing progressives are doing now is really countering the talk radio machine, mainly because they don't really think it needs countering. only some of the local talkers take real calls- not the national talkers . so it chugs on its merry way, framing and feeding and distorting, uncontested.

      but if progressives are protesting anything anywhere they ought to consider the local limbaugh station because if they protest anywhere else the loudmouths at those stations  will have all next week to tell everyone in a hundred mile radius  what traitors and fools they are. that's been going on for 20 years, since reagan killed the fairness doctrine.

      can't tell about bringing back the fairness doctrine because the uncontested radio machine has distorted it so well, and we really don't have a lot of time for courts with global warming coming up.

      ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

      by certainot on Thu Nov 26, 2009 at 12:33:28 AM PST

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  •  A good solution would be to build a gigantic (6+ / 0-)

    arch and offer it to the wingnuts. That way they get their climate change fears & the rapture rolled into one.

  •  They probably have most effect on Republicans and (5+ / 0-)

    conservatives, rather than people who are less ideologically driven on the climate science issues, i.e.,

    POLL: Fewer Republicans and Conservatives Believe Global Warming Is Happening
    By  ANALYSIS By GARY LANGER
    Nov. 24, 2009

    The number of Americans who believe global warming is occurring has declined to its lowest since 1997, though at 72 percent, it's still a broad majority. The drop has steepened in the last year-and-a-half – almost exclusively among conservatives and Republicans.

    . . .

    The ideological and partisan nature of the change, especially in the last year, supports previous research finding that views on global warming are heavily informed by political and ideological predispositions. (So, for example, are views of the economy, particularly when its condition or direction aren't clear.)

    Since summer 2008, belief that warming is occurring fell by 13 points among conservatives while holding essentially steady among liberals and moderates. It fell by 20 points among Republicans and 8 points among independents while steady among Democrats. Grouping Republicans with independents who lean toward the Republican Party finds a 17-point drop in this group, compared with no real change (-1) among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:40:17 PM PST

    •  yes but the last 20 yrs has been about 10% (3+ / 0-)
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      determining much of what happens in this country.

      that is what the TR monopoly gives them.

      it's fantastic for keeping politicians in line, pushing them around, determining what is acceptable or not, or picking who gets through the GOP primaries.  

      ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

      by certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:49:08 PM PST

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      •  The 10% you describe has money and power (1+ / 0-)
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        not just a right-wing noisebox, IMHO.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 09:52:08 PM PST

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        •  yes but it's a lot easier to get the politician (1+ / 0-)
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          to do what you want if you supply him with a ready to go and loud constituency he can point to to rationalize voting with the 10%. and it helps to control the primary process to decide who advances.

          ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

          by certainot on Thu Nov 26, 2009 at 12:40:59 AM PST

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    •  Polling on climate change is tricky (1+ / 0-)
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      There a lot of people who believe global warming is occurring, that's pretty incontrovertible.  But the real question is whether they think global warming is occurring due to man-made conditions, which is a much trickier proposition.

      I am that gadfly which God has attached to the state, and all day long and in all places...arousing and persuading and reproaching you.-Socrates

      by The Navigator on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 09:01:19 PM PST

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      •  or maybe icky for those (0+ / 0-)

        who think there's a guy in a beard in control of everything

        some humans can nit pick all they want and make all the excuses they want for why the glaciers and icecaps are melting until it's too late.

        in the meantime rational humans have to get over the old and try something new real quick on the very real possibility that we're fucked if we don't.

        ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

        by certainot on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 09:17:53 PM PST

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      •  I find the issue most often one of (0+ / 0-)

        who should take responsibility - i.e., ownership - of the issue.

        At that point, the backtracking into excuses of what actually causes the warming begins and rational discussion flies out the window.

        That's when right-wingers and Republicans show their stripes, I feel.

        "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

        by wader on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 09:59:33 PM PST

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  •  And you can ask all those people who listen (5+ / 0-)

    to these wingnuts,

    why is the Arctic Icecap melting?

    "Marriage is the only adventure open to the cowardly." - Voltaire

    by captainlaser on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 05:42:58 PM PST

  •  We need to shut down the conservative (0+ / 0-)

    radio stations and control the message through liberal stations.  People need to be made to listen to liberal stations.  I have no problem censoring the right wing stations.  If we shut them down we can indoctorinate the sheepole to the progressive agenda.  

    Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and OK for you.

    by thestructureguy on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 06:10:42 PM PST

  •  The key is to use the media coverage surrounding (0+ / 0-)

    Copenhagen to reinforce the truth about climate change.  We have drifted as a country from this issue.  Limbaugh and Hannity spew lies every day.  Their impact can be easily drowned out when the MSM is focused on the issue, and when we force the MSM to acknowledge the truth.

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Wed Nov 25, 2009 at 11:55:49 PM PST

    •  the national doubt has increased considerably (0+ / 0-)

      not because to the hacked emails but because of the radio machine  that is turning it into an issue.

      now the MSM may have to go through another few years where flat earthers can sit at the table.

      IMO what happens in the MSM is less important than who mobilizes the loudest screamers at key times. and whatever volume they can get is more than they deserve- they just happen to have the loudest soapbox.

      ignoring the talk radio monopoly continues to be the biggest political blunder in decades

      by certainot on Thu Nov 26, 2009 at 12:56:54 AM PST

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