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Radio host, blogger, white supremicist Hal Turner, who was arrested after he urged his followers to take up arms against a couple of state lawmakers in New Jersey, was on the payroll of the FBI to help fight 'domestic terrorism'

The Record of Bergen County reported Sunday that Hal Turner received thousands of dollars from the FBI to report on neo-Nazis and white supremacist groups and was sent undercover to Brazil.

Turner also claims the FBI coached him to make racist, anti-Semitic and other threatening statements on his radio show, but the newspaper also found many federal officials were concerned that his audience might follow up on his violence rhetoric.

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Originally posted to nemoplanetia on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 04:01 PM PST.

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  •  can you fix your first sentence (9+ / 0-)

    it makes it sound like Hal Turner is associated with daily kos.

    This is an odd story and I'll be curious to know if it is eventually backed up by something other than a small regional paper.

    I was paid to post this comment by my cat, but he's a deadbeat.

    by decembersue on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 04:04:33 PM PST

  •  not a diary (2+ / 0-)
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    grannyhelen, MTmofo

    please flesh this out - and correct the link at the top.

    "Junkies find veins in their toes when the ones in their arms and legs collapse." - Al Gore

    by parryander on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 04:05:51 PM PST

    •  Actually, there is new news. The FBI (0+ / 0-)

      had previously downplayed his importance in their counter-terrorism efforts. The reporters cite documents showing his work may have been much more pivotal than the FBI had let on.

      I quoted some material from the long article in this comment downthread.

      The same Blue Dogs who decry government intrusion in men's lives demand government intrusion in women's health care choices - NCrissieB

      by 1BQ on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 08:40:16 PM PST

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  •  I met Hal (2+ / 0-)
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    Yosef 52, 1BQ

    Twelve years ago when he was campaign manager for Muuray Sabrin, the Libertarian Party candidate for New Jersey Governor.

    Turner also ran in a GOP primary for Congress a few years ago and lost.  He has long been associated with extreme rightwing GOP politics.  He also was a frequent call-in guest on the Sean Hannity Show.

  •  what most likely happened was... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...Turner may have thought that by being on the FBI payroll, he was immune to any kind of legal adversity, so he got cocky and started saying what he really felt.  

    For a law-abiding citizen such as an FBI agent, to go fully undercover to scope out a potential terrorist group, is an incredibly costly exercise not only in financial terms but in terms of stress and impact on the agent.  Imagine yourself living a fully congruent life as a rightie nut, including living in an apartment that's decked out with all the rightie nut accessories.  Including having no personal contact with your real family while this is going on.  For a period of years.  

    Thus the FBI tends to try to recruit people who are already "inside" these groups, because those people are already fully engaged and living the life.  All the recruits have to do is fill out reports and provide leads, which they can keep doing until the cows come home and it won't screw up their lives (unless they get found out).

    Unfortunately that means having to make do with informants who are often highly unstable individuals.  And very often those informants take their new status to mean that they can do anything and get away with it.  

    As Turner found out, that's not the case.  

    •  He claims the opposite, that (0+ / 0-)

      the FBI coached him to make racist, anti-Semitic and other threatening statements and now he feels double-crossed by the bureau after his arrest.

      Records show feds used ultra-right radio host for years

      Turner's clandestine past was confirmed this past summer when he was jailed on charges that he made threats on his blog against three federal judges in Chicago. In court after his arrest, federal prosecutors acknowledged Turner's FBI ties but downplayed his importance and even described him as "unproductive."

      But an investigation by The Record — based on government documents, e-mails, court records and almost 20 hours of jailhouse interviews with Turner — shows that federal authorities made frequent use of Turner in its battle against domestic terrorism.

      As Turner took to his radio show and blog to say that those who opposed his extremist views deserve to die, he received thousands of dollars from the FBI to report on such groups as the Aryan Nations and the white supremacist National Alliance, and even a member of the Blue Eyed Devils skinhead punk band. Later, he was sent undercover to Brazil where he reported a plot to send non-military supplies to anti-American Iraqi resistance fighters. Sometimes he signed "Valhalla" on his FBI payment receipts instead of his own name.

      Apparently, though, some "Federal agents" considered his spew to be over-the-top. This may fall in the "he-said-they-said" category for now.

      The same Blue Dogs who decry government intrusion in men's lives demand government intrusion in women's health care choices - NCrissieB

      by 1BQ on Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 08:35:59 PM PST

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      •  no he-said/she-said about it: (0+ / 0-)

        His threats against the federal judges were over the line.  I know whereof I speak, because I've dealt with plenty of these types of instances, and there is a bright line between protected speech and unlawful violent threats.   I saw the material when it was still up.  He crossed that line, in no uncertain terms, and there is no way on this Earth that the FBI would have put him up to that.  

        In any case, he isn't being tortured and he will have his day in court.  That's how it's supposed to work.  And a jury will decide guilt or innocence, and if there is any reasonable doubt, they will turn him loose.  

        Having seen the material myself, I can tell you the feds are going to have a slam-dunk case.  

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