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Holden Caulfield, is a phony. Health Care in America, is phony. We cannot, will not have health care for all until we stop pretending. Stop pretending that our parents and children aren't dying.

My Pop is old, and dying. He has "decent" union benefits but he's still dying. I've tried to help him as a fellow Union member. However, we allow the all out assault upon unions and don't care one lick when they are attacked.

You know what? I'll give up some of my Union benefits, if some of you would work harder to work together. 'Ya give some to get some. If my Pop taught me anything, it's that we need to work together, to get ahead.

Follow me asunder...

All I've seen here lately is "Obama" sucks, "Reid" sucks, "Pelosi" sucks. You know what, I suck. You suck. We all suck. Period.

End of story.

We all suck.

Knock it off, stop playing the victim.

The Healthcare reform currently proposed may or may not fit your mold, but what we get may help someone who's not in your situation, so STFU. I'm fascinated by the number of people here who think in absolutes.

Either "Single Payer" or nothing, opt-in, or opt-out, trigger or nothing.

Someone, somewhere, needs more than this.

I know I do, I certainly know my Pop does, who do you know that also does?

Originally posted to The 13th Floor on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 11:21 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (9+ / 0-)

    "Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self." - Cyril Connolly

    by The 13th Floor on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 11:21:58 PM PST

    •  Yes, clearly throwing the 54-and-under crowd (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Big Tex

      to the wolves by mandating that they buy junk insurance is okay-dokey as long as the 55-64 crowd gets Medicare.

      The insurance lobbyists have deliberatly set up a false choice between young adults and older adults, because they want to divide this country against itself.

      And you, like a fucking idiot, play right into their con game by saying "Fuck anybody who will get fucked by this bill. As long as some few lucky bastards won't get fucked, what else matters?"

      How dare you not realize and reject this false compromise.

      Medicare for all, bitches.

      I'm writing in Lizard People on my next ballot.

      by George Hier on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 11:50:31 PM PST

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  •  I wonder what happens... (6+ / 0-)

    ....to the ducks. I really do.

    National Socialism is to Socialism, as counter clockwise is to clockwise

    by Carbon on Sat Dec 12, 2009 at 11:31:21 PM PST

  •  Complaining about politiics on the net... (2+ / 0-)
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    soothsayer99, The 13th Floor

    ...has become a kind of a hobby for some people.  Complaining in absolutes is for those who simply aren't that advanced yet.

  •  The health care "reform" currently proposed (1+ / 0-)
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    midwestblue

    will make American health care worse, not better, and passing it as is will inflict lasting political damage on the progressive cause and on our ability to enact not just health care reform, but reform in a number of other areas as well.

    So no, I'm not going to shut the fuck up.

    -7.12, -7.54 / "Health care reform will never take place until Rahm Emanuel is strangled with the entrails of Frank Luntz." - Diderot

    by Big Tex on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 12:31:25 AM PST

    •  All you can say is (1+ / 0-)
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      The 13th Floor

      current "reform" MAY make American health care worse. Even those on the other side can only say it MAY make American health care better.

      It is arguable that adding those who are 55 and up to Medicare could make it easier for insurance companies covering younger people to abide by the new rules (allowance of pre-existing conditions, large percentage of premiums to pay-outs, etc.) and still be able to be profitable and continue to employ millions of people.

      Older Americans cost more. They are generally more apt to get cancers and age related diseases. By removing them from the private pool, it could very well make the private pool better.

      I don't know. Neither do you.

      I do know that getting congress to even approach the issue in the first place is progress. You may say that it is not enough progress. So if we don't get enough progress, we shouldn't get any?

      Is the progressive goal the end of all progress? Will there ever be a point where we don't need progress? Or should we stop progressing because we will never get far enough?

      As if we could make things better without making them worse.

      by A Voice on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 04:05:42 AM PST

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  •  I hated that book (2+ / 0-)
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    sandblaster, midwestblue

    A total waste of my time... meaningless drivel. Your title referencing it is meaningless as well, which is somehow fitting. And it was written by J. D. Salinger not J. Steinbeck.

    As to my state, I do not suck. I'm not playing the victim. If it were up to me you and everyone else would have health care and more. And when I judge the quality of the bill we're presented with, I do so on balance; what is the value versus the cost.

    Sorry about your dad. I hope things work out.

    Free University and Health Care for all, now. -8.88, -7.13

    by SoCalHobbit on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 01:44:13 AM PST

  •  Just a little tip: telling people to STFU (3+ / 0-)
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    88kathy, sandblaster, Jerry Melton

    probably undermines your message of "let's all work together," just a tad. :)

  •  Rec'd because (2+ / 0-)
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    Dirtandiron, The 13th Floor

    I agree with your premise. The way people want things all their way makes one think they have no clue about how a democracy works. You want to live in a place where everyone wants and thinks the same, I would suggest N. Korea as at least the next best thing. Tell me how that's working out for them. The need for compromise in a free thinking society is elemental.

    But sorry, no tip for you because of your "STFU". One of the reasons that we are in the pickle in which we find ourselves is because we refuse to listen to anyone who doesn't already share our opinion. As if our opinions are static and there is no room for progress in the mind.

    We must learn to be more civil if we hope to accomplish anything.

    As if we could make things better without making them worse.

    by A Voice on Sun Dec 13, 2009 at 04:23:28 AM PST

  •  Sorry But I have to agree (0+ / 0-)

    .  Its not that the desire for health care is wrong or even wrong minded. IMHO the Legislation pending is wrong. It compels me to do something I may not have the money for or the desire to do. Gov Reaching into my pockets just sucks after all we all hate taxes.
    You want reform here it is:
    Create a law that says all citizens of the US will enjoy health care to the best ability of providers without regard to cost, color, gender.......

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