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There are many people far better versed than me to write diaries on the flailing HC bill. See poblano's analysis for what killing this bill would do to the average family in 10 years in the link below.

But does Lieberman's opposition to every liberal policy give us a good chance to mobilize in 2010?

Yes it does.

We have been far too complacent criticizing Obama for what he has not accomplished, but do we really doubt that he is not trying his best?

Do you really believe that if he had liberal votes in the Senate we wouldn't have imparted real change?

Every prognosticator currently bets their house - which might or might not be worth all that much - that we will lose the midterm elections. Our base appears demoralized and ready to eat its own flesh if one reads your diaries. We are forgetting who the enemy is and Lieberman's eagerness to destroy anything liberal riles me up so badly I might go to Connecticut and knock doors myself.

If Lieberman has his way on HC, the blue dogs have their way on fiscal matters, the pro-banking democrats water down the financial regulation bill and the pro-industry democrats kill cap and trade then shouldn't this give us progressives something fundamental to run against in 2010?

Many of you sound delusional. Change doesn't come easy. Do you really think it's Obama's fault that Loserman forgot what he campaigned on in 2000 and publicly agreed to support in his run for the Senate in 2006? Who told you that Obama is the messiah who's going to change it all?

Haven't you had enough eating your own flesh?

Lieberman's day to decide what's best for America is today. He will have his day. We should work to have ours.

Originally posted to ystasino on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 01:45 PM PST.

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  •  yep, this is good news for John McCain nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  It's Great News For President Kerry, Too! (0+ / 0-)

    Although President Hillary might protest....

  •  I believed he was trying his best (6+ / 0-)

    Until Rahm Emmanuel went to Harry Reid and said, "Give Joe Lieberman whatever he wants."

    I'm done.

  •  This statement (6+ / 0-)

    do we really doubt that he is not trying his best?

    reminds me of the Sean Connery line in The Rock;

    "Your best? Your best? Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

      •  the point is. (0+ / 0-)

        There are still plenty of options that the senate leadership has been completely unwilling to consider.

        So they can whine that they're doing their best, but that is obviously not the case.  

        These days, politics only serve to give people an excuse to be assholes.

        by DawnG on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 02:13:11 PM PST

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        •  Your right. (0+ / 0-)

          But I'm tired of the tone this site has taken on.  I'm really ready to leave it all together.  I came to this community with the hope I would be able to engage and try to make a difference, but it seems if you don't march in lockstep here you are to be tore down (doesn't seem to matter which side of an argument you are on, there are plenty on any issue that are ready to tear you down for it).

          Too many want to emulate the tactics of the republicans, and I don't know about others but it was the tactics the republicans employ/ed as much as their policies that I oppose.

          Maybe I'm not cut out for politics, I just know that I don't want to put up with the type of behavior I've seen lately especially from people that are supposed to be on the same side.

      •  I don't really like using the "F" word this much (0+ / 0-)

        but sticking with the movie theme, and in the words of Al Pachino in Scarface;

        "Fuck you."

        Pick a scene.

        And don't call me a Republican.

  •  You know, you're right (1+ / 0-)
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    It's time for Anger, Hope and a Plan

    Anger at the Senate that doesn't do what we want.

    Hope that we can elect better candidates (We've done it before and we'll do it again)

    Now time for the plan to elect better Democrats in 2010 and 2012.  

    What does being pissed and staying home do to make anything better?  Give the Republicans control?  Yeah, Harry Reid is no Master of the Senate like LBJ, but I would rather have Harry Reid than Mitch McConnell driving the agenda of the Senate.

    It's nice to be important, it's more important to be nice. - Tip O'Neill

    by toeknee1980 on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 01:57:59 PM PST

  •  I don't want his 'best' (2+ / 0-)
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    lysias, SilentBrook

    ... but do we really doubt that he is not trying his best?

    I want him to advocate for and advance policies that I think are good for this country.

    As far as Health Care legislation goes, he's been woefully missing in action, seemingly indifferent to the content of the actual legislation, and it shows in what we've got now.

    I get that the White House dictating to Congress can backfire, but there have been moments when some leadership from the President could have mobilized public opinion and affected the shape of the emerging legislation by taking a stand.

    "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

    by Demi Moaned on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 01:59:38 PM PST

    •  It wouldn't have done shit to move Lieberman (1+ / 0-)
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      And I'm not sure Snowe or Collins would have come with more pressure or not.  But I think Lieberman has shown he doesn't care what pressure it put upon him. He only cares about getting even with the left of the party.

    •  He's had multiple meetings (0+ / 0-)

      with both the House and Senate caucuses and a speech to a joint session.  

      I don't know what kind of meetings he has had or should have had with Lieberman or Snowe specifically, but to day he's been MIA seems silly.

      It's nice to be important, it's more important to be nice. - Tip O'Neill

      by toeknee1980 on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 02:13:19 PM PST

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      •  He's never outlined what he wants (0+ / 0-)

        ... to be in the bill. At this point his position seems to be any bill will do, just give me one.

        There was no serious attempt to mobilize public sentiment to shape the legislative process. All that is left to the Teabagging Right Wing.

        "The smartest man in the room is not always right." -Richard Holbrooke

        by Demi Moaned on Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 02:24:34 PM PST

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  •  I don't believe he's doing his best. (1+ / 0-)
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    I saw the passion he was able to bring out in people during the campaign. the belief he could instill in us that we could do better.

    Now, he only gives speeches on why we are staying in wars, why liberals should give up on their health care goals, ect. He calls in bank CEO's, but lets them keep their bonuses.  He hasn't given one speech that calls out the Republican party or changes in any way the horrid course our country is on.

    Maybe he will before 2012. If not, I'd sure like my vote back. I though he could govern as well as campaign. I'm becoming disillusioned.

  •  You Are Right, Not Enough Dems in Senate! (0+ / 0-)

    WE need more Dems in the Senate.  Without true Dems we cannot pass the reform we despartely need in this country.

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