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Once it became clear that there were not 60 votes in the Senate to overcome a filibuster of health insurance reform, President Obama could have asked Majority Leader Reid to do either of these things:

  1. Work with Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) and put in a trigger on the public option.  OR...
  1. Work with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I/D-Connecticut) and remove the public option from the bill entirely.

President Obama chose to pressure Sen. Reid to work with Lieberman and completely eliminate the public option, rather than accepting Snowe's offer to support a bill with a triggered public option.

Why did the president choose Lieberman over Snowe?  At face value, it appears absurd:

-- Obama has always desired bipartisanship (some would say this is a fetish of his).  Therefore, one would think he would have chosen the option of getting a bona fide Republican vote to overcome the filibuster, rather than an independent who caucuses with the Democrats.

-- Obama campaigned for health care reform with a public option, and he has given speeches since becoming president in which he has continued to promote the idea that a public option would be a good idea.  Therefore, one would think he would have chosen the option of changing the Senate bill to have a potentially triggered public option, as Snowe would have voted for, rather than no public option at all, as Lieberman demanded.

-- If the Senate bill had at least retained a trigger for a public option, there would not be as much hue and cry from the progressive Democratic base as there is now that the bill has no public option at all.  Sure, we would have been disappointed with the trigger, but many of us expected that a bill with a triggered public option was likely to emerge from the Senate, and that perhaps it would be improved in conference with the House.  The idea that a bill with not even the possibility of a public option being triggered in the future would emerge as the final Senate bill, to be "ping ponged" to the House (rubber stamped) without a conference negotiation process, was beyond the pale.

-- Furthermore, the fact that Obama pressured Reid to go after Lieberman's vote specifically, and do whatever is necessary to win his support for the bill, has intensified the base's anger even more, because Lieberman is the most hated politician among progressive Democrats.  Going after Snowe's vote would not have caused anywhere near the same level of sheer outrage and gut-wrenching disgust among progressives than choosing to seek Lieberman's vote has done.

I cannot draw any other rational conclusion from this evidence other than that Barack Obama never really supported a public option; or that at some point, perhaps after becoming president, he changed his mind and decided not to support a public option anymore but tepidly pretended he still supported it in occasional speeches on health care reform, knowing that in the end he would make sure it didn't make it into the final bill that's signed into law.

Is there any other possibility that makes sense?  President Obama and the Democrats in Congress are suffering politically as a result of choosing to accept Joe Lieberman's demand for no public option at all instead of Olympia Snowe's demand for a triggered public option.  To get their 60th vote to end the filibuster, they needed one or the other of those two Senators.  They chose to bend over backwards for the one that their own party's base hates the most; the one who is not a Republican so they can't claim true bipartisanship; and the one whose proposal was less progressive.

What does this say about Barack Obama and his views on health care reform?  I think it says that he either never really was on our side or he decided at some point to switch sides, abandoning a progressive position.  If so, I find this very discouraging and it bodes ill for the future of his presidency and for the relationship between the progressive base and the Democratic Party as long as Barack Obama is president.

What do you think?

UPDATE:  Many people are saying in the comments that Obama picked Lieberman because Snowe wanted more time for deliberation on the bill, and Obama wants a bill passed quickly.  That sounds like a reasonable explanation, but if it's true, then it raises a different question about Obama: Does he care more about getting "legislative notches on his belt" as quickly as possible than the quality of the bills that get passed?  Something like a massive health care reform bill might really need more time to be debated, as Snowe wanted.  I actually think she had a point.

Originally posted to Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:34 PM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

    by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:34:21 PM PST

  •  Obama is a liar. He took advantage of us. (1+ / 0-)
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    The Dead Man

    I am so pissed right now.

  •  Snowe wasn't playing along... (6+ / 0-)

    She wanted to keep on playing Hamlet, so they went with Lieberman... which was the biggest mistake of his young presidency.

    You pick the guy your base hates with a passion to write your health care bill?  Stupid move, Rahm.   that alone should get you fired!

    DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
    LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

    by LordMike on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:39:37 PM PST

    •  The choice was always going to be (4+ / 0-)

      Snowe or Lieberman.

      Snowe was lost after her committee vote. She got hammered from the right...and that bill had no P.O. at all. After that Snowe would not even vote to begin debate. Republican leadership clamped down, Snowe's only choice was to change parties or join the filibuster regardless of the specifics of the bill.

      Joementum is the only game in town.

      "...this nation is more than the sum of its parts ..." Barack Obama-18 March,2008

      by Inventor on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:46:37 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  she's popular in Maine... she could've survived (0+ / 0-)

        In fact, I suspect she might've even pulled an Arlen Specter if the Dems had kept courting her and working with her.

        Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

        by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:03:25 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  She was "hurt" by Reid's attempt at putting in... (0+ / 0-)

          ...the public option... such a delicate flower!

          DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
          LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

          by LordMike on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:29:10 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Snowe became harder to get (3+ / 0-)
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        LordMike, lordcopper, littlebird33

        after Reid added the opt-out to his reform bill. From anonymous reports at the time, the Obama administration wanted him to go for the trigger with Snowe, and was worried his plan could backfire.

        •  which it did.... big time... (2+ / 0-)
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          nevadadem, Eric Stetson

          I was worried about that, too.  You don't put in a guy with a 9.48 ERA to close the 7th game of the world series, yet we were reliant on worthless Reid to somehow shepherd this thing through?

          Sadly, Obama was right on this one... had he bothered to explain it to us better, instead of sitting back and pretending he was for the public option, this scenario might not have happened...

          DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
          LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

          by LordMike on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:28:31 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  What do you mean explain it to us? (0+ / 0-)

            Wasn't it Harry Reid who made the decision? How would explaining to us that he though Harry should go a different way have made a difference to the final outcome?

            •  Well, if Snowe was courted.... (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Eric Stetson

              ...we wouldn't have to rely on the sociopath Lieberman.  At least she's halfway human.  She's also pro-choice, so the stupak stuff wouldn't be an issue, either.

              The white house knew what was up, but Harry couldn't do that 'cos the base would revolt... 'cos Obama was sitting back pretending to be all public option when he actually gave that up months ago!

              DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
              LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

              by LordMike on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 08:08:06 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

      •  I don't think it matters. There aren't even 58 (0+ / 0-)

        votes for cloture.

        "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

        by lordcopper on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:08:56 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  I love it when shit like this happens. (3+ / 1-)
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    cotterperson, mll, Nick Zouroudis
    Hidden by:
    disrael

    Troll diaries....

    Hatred, division...

    ::sigh::

    I just keep telling myself: Remember the primaries, it will get better.

    I'm still proud of my President and my country.

    by second gen on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:40:24 PM PST

    •  what evidence do you have that I'm a troll? (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Anorish, Montreal Progressive

      I've been posting on DKos for several months and have written many thoughtful diaries and comments.  I've also said several times on this blog that I still plan to vote Democratic anyway, even if I have to hold my nose to do so, because I don't see any better option.

      Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

      by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:43:54 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  While I don't think you're a troll (because (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        mll, second gen

        of previous exchanges), I do think you are buying in to the idea that "Obama sold us out".  I'm interested to know just what you think Obama could have/should have done to pass a bill that you think would represent real reform.

        "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

        by lordcopper on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:14:10 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  he should've asked Reid to split the bill and use (0+ / 0-)

          reconciliation for the parts of it that wouldn't get past a filibuster.

          To the degree that I think Obama "sold us out," I don't think it's malicious on his part.  Instead, I think it's because of his cautious personality, which causes him to favor incrementalism and to eschew any radical change.  And also because he surrounded himself with a lot of centrist advisors.  I think he's made some major mistakes and that people put way too much hope in him.  I think he'll probably turn out to be a similar president as Clinton, i.e. a centrist Democrat who will not be remembered as a transformational leader.

          Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

          by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:19:17 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  You just won't seem to grasp the simple fact that (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            mll, second gen

            "you don't have 60 votes".

            "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

            by lordcopper on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:21:43 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  why do you think reconcilition couldn't work? n/t (0+ / 0-)

              Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

              by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:25:02 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  Because insurance reforms won't go through. (2+ / 0-)
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                mll, second gen

                PO itself might be added via reconciliation but not most of the other stuff in the bill (restrictions on insurance companies, exchanges, various schemes to decrease costs etc.). In reconciliation the deal is that if the provision you want to add is judged not directly relevant to deficit reduction, you need 60 votes to add it.

              •  All bets would be off. Literally nothing else (1+ / 0-)
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                second gen

                would be accomplished.  Democrats have the House, the Senate, and the Presidency.  As long as this thing plays out as "Democrats fighting with each other", we're losing the middle.

                The real question is "why is it all, or nothing"?  Why must everything be accomplished in one fell swoop?

                "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

                by lordcopper on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:32:25 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

  •  It took you this long to figure that out? (2+ / 0-)
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    agent, Montreal Progressive

    In his speech to congress in September, he essentially told us straight out that we weren't getting the public option.

    No one listened it seemed.

    Obama wasn't lying in that speech.  He said straight out that the public option is great, but you aren't getting it... sorry...

    I am amazed that people came away differently from that speech, but they did...

    DARTH SPECTER: I am altering the deal! Pray I don't alter it any further!
    LANDO REID: This deal keeps getting worse all the time!

    by LordMike on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:41:13 PM PST

    •  I wanted to believe he was "our" president (2+ / 0-)
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      LordMike, ZackB

      and would support our policies.  Just like most of us who volunteered, donated, and voted for Obama.  It takes a while to give up on the leader you invested so much hope in.

      Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

      by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:45:43 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Now that the President put me here. (1+ / 0-)
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    musicalhair

    I don't have much time to reason why I'm under this bus.

    St. Ronnie was an asshole.

    by manwithnoname on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:42:20 PM PST

  •  Well, the other possibility is that Snowe (0+ / 0-)

    indicated she wont vote for the bill, even if there is a trigger. Obama was supporting the trigger, as late as August and maybe even more recently. I know, because people were freaking out about it being in the bill.

    •  if this is true, wouldn't it have come out by now (0+ / 0-)

      in the media?  Snowe reversing herself like that would be significant news.

      Or DID it come out and I just missed it?

      Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

      by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:46:41 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  she kept asking for more time (1+ / 0-)
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        agent

        no need to rush, do it next year.   It needs to get done, its gumming up the works.  I don't care either way in the long run, bad bill or no bill.  All the high hopes of lets do it again is just some new bill of goods.  This is it, fish or cut bait, but let's stop pissing and moaning over what isn't and won't be anytime soon.

  •  Snowe was not in play (6+ / 0-)

    She wouldn't even vote for debate to begin.

    Lieberman was the only possible path, and he acted predictably.

    "...this nation is more than the sum of its parts ..." Barack Obama-18 March,2008

    by Inventor on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:49:19 PM PST

    •  perhaps Snowe voted to block debate because (0+ / 0-)

      the bill that Harry Reid introduced was not to her liking?  I don't know, but did she ever actually say that she was definitely going to vote against the bill if it was changed to a trigger instead of an opt-out?

      Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

      by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:52:54 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Similar to Lieberman, she initially said (0+ / 0-)

        she might vote for a bill with PO (triggered in her case) but later started making more demands(more time, for example). I'm quite sure they approached her as well.

  •  It pains me to think (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Limelite, Eric Stetson

    this great man is just another politican, willing to do anything to save the status quo regarding corporate campaign financing, wall street, the banks, insurance, the military/industrial complex. I'm flummoxed.

    With no definite future & no purpose other then to prevail somehow - The Mermen

    by blueoregon on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:50:39 PM PST

  •  Snowe made it clear she wanted "more time." (5+ / 0-)

    Probably a few months more.

    Lieberputz would presumably cut a deal more quickly, even if it's a worse one.

    The WH calculated that a delay as long as Snowe wanted would kill the bill totally.

  •  The people on the fringes of the parties (2+ / 0-)
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    lordcopper, jfromga

    in this Senate are really dreadful.  Consider that even this severely compromised bill might not have the support of Nelson if the coathanger options aren't severe enough to please him.  I think Obama told Reid to go after them all: Lieberman, Snowe, Landrieu, Lincoln, etc., to reach 60 votes, even though he knew none of them was trustworthy or a sure bet.  Seems pretty simple.  

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:53:21 PM PST

    •  he never told reid that, he warned reid (0+ / 0-)

      specifically on the last vote. REID was told I hope you know what you are doing, the white house was going for snowe with a trigger, now we've got nothing, nada.

      I hope no one listens to this blog anymore.

  •  ITS OVER...no HCR bill will pass..Nelson, Sanders (0+ / 0-)

    will vote no.  Either you accept the Stupak amendment or there will be NO reform.  The people in the senate are too pigheaded to compromise...So I have come to the conclusion that HCR WILL NOT PASS.  Howard Dean stabbed the democrats in the back, in the middle of a battle

  •  Snowe said they had to go slow and (6+ / 0-)

    if they do not pass it by Christmas they won't pass it. The Republicans will re-rum the town hall fiascos and the media will wallow in it all Holiday. Snowe knows that and is trying above all to kill the bill. Any bill.

    More than that they must end this or this hideous process will destroy the Democratic party more surely than even the defeat of the bill or the passage of a bad one. Evidence: just look at the opinions expressed on Daily Kos.

    Pass something and walk away. Use reconciliation on the next big issue (climate change) if you do not have an obvious 63-65 votes in hand.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 06:56:54 PM PST

  •  Harry Reid got punkd by Joe... (4+ / 0-)

    If you recall way way back in October,  Harry could have proposed a triggered Public Option and made Snowe number 60.   The WH urged him to go that way.  But Reid decided to dump Snowe in favor of the opt-out public option.  We all praised Harry, but it is obvious now that he trusted Lieberman WAY more than he should have.

    As odious as the whole trigger PO was,  I trust Olympia Snowe way more than I trust Lieberman

    •  I remember all the complaints (4+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      lordcopper, RinaX, jeun28, Eric Stetson

      here because the WH wasn't all gung ho behind Reid's choice, said they were weak.  I think they had the votes counted and knew perfectly well what Reid couldn't accomplish.

      •  in retrospect, yeah, that's probably right. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

        by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:04:42 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  THEY WARNED HARRY ABOUT THE LAST (0+ / 0-)

        VOTE LIEBERMAN. THEY knew he was not on board and thus said ok snowe trigger but this same LEFT pushed and you lost period.

        REID could not do it and everyone including TPM knew it but the vocal group killed ANYTHING IN THE BILL.

        NADA IN THERE, NADA NOT EVEN A TRIGGER.

        So i am one of those going I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE RANT ON THIS SITE ANYMORE. PRIMARY ALL YOU WANT, YOU WILL LOSE. THE WHITE HOUSE WARNED, THEY HAD LEFT JOE, FOCUSED ON SNOWE BECAUSE THEY COULD AT LEAST GET A TRIGGER.

        NOW NADA

        Why can't they force joe? Joe is Israel's leverage and he sure is flexing those muscles.

  •  Please provide documentation where Obama (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cotterperson

    campaigned for HCR with a "public option".  I don't remember that term being used during the campaign.

    "Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time has come." Victor Hugo

    by lordcopper on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:06:54 PM PST

    •  Here Ya Go (3+ / 0-)

      Courtesy FDL.

      From the Obama ‘08 campaign document, "Barack Obama’s Plan for a Healthy America" (PDF):

       

      The Obama plan both builds upon and improves our current insurance system, upon which most Americans continue to rely, and leaves Medicare intact for older and disabled Americans. The Obama plan also addresses the large gaps in coverage that leave 45 million Americans uninsured. Specifically, the Obama plan will: (1) establish a new public insurance program available to Americans who neither qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP nor have access to insurance through their employers, as well as to small businesses that want to offer insurance to their employees; (2) make available the National Health Insurance Exchange to help Americans and businesses that want to purchase private health insurance directly; (3) require all employers to contribute towards health coverage for their employees; (4) mandate all children have health care coverage; (5) expand Medicaid and SCHIP to cover more of the least well-off among us; and (6) allow state flexibility for state health reform plans.

      You're not Landrieu's water carrier, are you?

      "Give me but one firm spot to stand, and I will move the earth." -- Archimedes

      by Limelite on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:34:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Eric Stetson

    Because Harry Reid is weak, and refuses to kill the filibuster, that's why.

    And we are going to see this same goddamn scenario repeated over and over again on every issue that comes up before the Senate.

    Every Damn Issue.

    Next up: Copenhagen where Obama's hands will be tightly tied as he tries to make promises the Senate will never agree to.

    Fucked.

    That's what the Obama administration is, and it's all his own fault, him and his 'advisors' with this bi-partisanship BULLSHIT!

    He could have come into office and laid down the law. Instead, he laid down with dogs like Republicans, and when you lay down with dogs, you get damn fleas!

    Try to make it real, compared to what.

    by shpilk on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:15:38 PM PST

  •  Obama never picked Lieberman, he picked (1+ / 0-)
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    lordcopper

    snowe but the same irrational left blog made comments like "president snowe" I remember making a comment when the white house warned HARRY, I HOPE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, BE CAREFUL ON THE LAST VOTE.

    Lieberman was not being relied on, the white house knew he was up to something. With snowe you get a trigger.

    So delete the diary of lies and post the truth. This site never thinks tactically, same blog making stupid comments about snowe, so spare the rest of us the bullshit

    •  you have a point... but no reason to delete this (0+ / 0-)

      My diary is sparking some good conversation.  Hey, maybe the people like you who said we should've worked with Snowe before were right.

      Eric Stetson is a liberal Christian/interfaith minister in Nashville, Tennessee. -- www.agapeosis.org

      by Eric Stetson on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:23:53 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  No need to delete the diary (0+ / 0-)

      but I hear you about the whole "President Snowe" meme, and how outraged everyone was that he'd even consider working with her.  And now some of the same people who were pushing that are now talking about how he should have just gone with the trigger...I can't even take a lot of this stuff seriously at this point.  

      More than one thing at a time != Doing EVERYTHING at one time.

      by RinaX on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:51:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Because he thought (0+ / 0-)

    Lieber-troll was faster. They thought they had him with the Medicare opt-in. Snowe wants to slow walk it.

    But this much we do know -- no faith justifies these murderous and craven acts; no just and loving God looks upon them with favor. President Barack Obama

    by never forget 2000 on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 07:22:43 PM PST

  •  Lieberman has no principles, period. (2+ / 0-)
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    buckstop, Eric Stetson

    In 2000, Gore made him the running mate even though Joe insisted on simultaneoulsy running for re-election to the Senate. Remember?  That doomed the ticket since it showed Joe had no confidence in his party's campaign to hold on to the White House.

    During the same campaign he took a dive in his kissyface non-debate with Cheney, and Dick came off as the sweet old uncle sitting across the table from good old Joe Lieberman. Joe never once tried to lay a glove on Cheney, his old neocon pal. They agreed on everything.

    Why any Dem president would put even an ounce of trust in Lieberman is totally beyond me. That someone as theoretically brilliant as Obama would make that mistake is really unforgivable.

  •  Why Didn't He Choose Snowe? WTF?????????????????? (1+ / 0-)
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    jeun28

    When it was known that the WH was working with Snowe, the Left had a fucking fit.  Go look through those diaries and tell me they didn't. You guys fucking lost it. No trigger, no trigger, it will never get pulled waaaah waaaaah.  Then Harry Reid told you guys and the WH that he can get the PO - the WH said Ok Harry, I hope you know what you are doing.  The Left cheered, yeah no more President Snowe - ha ha lol! yeah.  And then WHAM! Out of no where (don't act like you saw it coming) Lieberman puts the breaks on the whole thing. And the WH took the deal and said fine let's get this shit done. So now you end up losing the god dang Joe L instead of Snowe.

    YOU DIDN'T WANT THE TRIGGER AND NOW YOU ARE ASKING WHY THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T GO FOR IT INSTEAD OF JOE?

    Looks like the President knew something you all didn't want to see.

  •  On the time issue (0+ / 0-)

    It's not that he wants "legislative notches" more than a good bill. It's that the longer this takes, the less likely a good bill, or any bill, can pass.

    As I was reading this diary, a TV ad swiftboating HCR was running in the next room. The more time we take, the more that sort of demogoguing drains away support.

    There are a lot of very good things in this bill, and he's making a reasonably calculation that waiting is unlikely to make things better.

  •  Hey, Slick, (0+ / 0-)

    Reid runs the show in the Senate, not Obama.

    "Those who prefer safety to liberty deserve neither."--Thomas Jefferson

    by kinserlow on Wed Dec 16, 2009 at 08:25:54 PM PST

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