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How anyone who thinks themselves "liberal" can associate with Grover Norquist is beyond me.   Norquist is the freak who, in the defining moment of his existence, said this:

"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

The result, decades later, of this philsophy oozing through our body politic like a fucking disease, was this:

Psychopathy (pronounced saɪˈkɒpəθi[1][2]) is a personality disorder whose hallmark is a lack of empathy. Robert Hare, a researcher in the field describes psychopaths as "intraspecies predators[3][4] who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, sex and violence[5][6][7] to control others and to satisfy their own needs. Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse".[8] "What is missing, in other words, are the very qualities that allow a human being to live in social harmony."[9]

 Emphasis mine.

Norquist also "worked with a support network for Col. Oliver North'sefforts with the Nicaraguan contras and other insurgencies."  He's been at or near the epicenter of nearly everything that has disgusted and revolted decent Americans in the last 30 years.  In addition to running a decades-long morning meeting in Washington to literally dictate from his private unelected think tank what the direction of our government should be, Norquist has been involved in some of the sleaziest scandals of our time.

Let's pick apart the paragraph I quoted before, because it's some strong stuff, but I frankly mean it and I will never ever back down from my interpretation of what kind of a lunatic Norquist is.

intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, sex and violence to control others and to satisfy their own needs.

First off, Norquist is notorious for his manipulation and intimidation tactics.  He uses extremely forward language that gives no room whatsoever for misinterpretation.  He wants to "drown government in a bathtub."  Of course, he prefaces this statement with the bald-faced and utter lie that he does not want to abolish government.  However, drowning someone means murdering them, which is akin to abolishing them.  Grover clearly believes that we must murder our government in order to satisfy his political philosphical leanings.  And why does he want to murder our government?  Because in his opinion, paying taxes is a huge burden to him, and people who don't have a trust fund job don't deserve to survive in our society.  Let's look at some more of Norquist's violence-tinged quotes, shall we:

Our goal is to inflict pain. It is not good enough to win; it has to be a painful and devastating defeat. We're sending a message here. It is like when the king would take his opponent's head and spike it on a pole for everyone to see.

Are these the thoughts of a civilized man?  I really don't think so.

Don Sherwood’s seat would have been overwhelmingly ours, if his mistress hadn’t whined about being throttled.

As I'm writing this diary I'm mining quotes from Norquist and really, it's amazing how little empathy for anyone he has who is not part of his game plan.  Norquist blithely dismisses not only an extramarital affair (the same offense 8 years prior led to a hue and cry from Conservatives about Bill Clinton) but also the alleged abuse of that woman, as if they were merely debris that could be dusted off an otherwise perfectly good politician.

"[Democrats] will only become acceptable once they are comfortable in their minority status. Any farmer will tell you that certain animals run around and are unpleasant, but when they've been fixed, then they are happy and sedate.

We are trying to change the tones in the state capitals -- and turn them toward bitter nastiness and partisanship

Yes, he really said these things.  This is the rhetoric of an arrogant prick who assumes things are destined to go his way.  As we have learned, of course, the mighty become most proud and arrogant right before their fall.  I doubt Norquist talks much about minority status these days.

I don't know Jane Hamsher.  I don't frequent Firedoglake.  But a friend of Grover Norquist cannot be a friend or ally of mine.  Period.  The man is a cancer on our political system and a social disease.  Literally.  He has enabled a generation of mentally ill individuals who ordinarily would be strapped to a bunk 23 hours a day to masquerade as leaders and visionaries.  He's also dreadfully ignorant:

"Alexander Hamilton has been on the $10 since 1928, he's been well honored by the country, he was a great Secretary of the Treasury. But of all the people on the currency, the only one who isn't a president.


Yeah.  Not only is Norquist insane, he's also very, very, very stupid.  How his ideas could possibly be viewed as having any merit with a progressive is completely beyond me.  But as far as I'm concerned, FDL is dead to me.  I won't visit, contribute, support, or mention them ever again.

Originally posted to slippytoad on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 12:51 PM PST.

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  •  That was a stunning opening to your (11+ / 0-)

    diary.  Amazing composition.

    Revolutionary Road was an awful, awful film.

    by burrow owl on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 12:53:28 PM PST

  •  No kiddin'! n/t (4+ / 0-)

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 01:06:05 PM PST

  •  Sometimes I have dreams (5+ / 0-)

    about me, Grover Norquist, and the bathroom door. Mr. Norquist doesn't really want to know how they turn out.

    Trust everybody, but always cut the cards. Mr.Dooley

    by DaNang65 on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 01:07:09 PM PST

    •  This will boil your blood (12+ / 0-)

      The Veterans Administration, now run by a former Republican National Committeeman, has been subjected to the same radical hatcheting that the White House has tried to wield against the rest of America's safety net. Cutbacks, cooking the books, privatization schemes, even a proposal to close down the VA's operations have all been in evidence. The administration's inside-the-beltway supporters like the Heritage Foundation and famed anti-tax radical Grover Norquist like to equate VA care with welfare. Traditionally, however, most Americans have held that the VA's medical care and disability compensation was earned by those who served their country.

      ...This dire situation has only encouraged the budget cutters and anti-government radicals like Norquist, who once joked that he hoped to shrink the government enough so that he could drown it in a bathtub.

      With PTSD rates soaring among vets, the hatchets have been out not just when it comes to treating them, but even when it comes to the diagnosis of PTSD itself.

      In 2005, the VA, under White House pressure, announced that it was reopening 72,000 long-approved PTSD disability claims for review, many of them for Vietnam veterans.

      Right-wing columnists quickly swung into action with op-ed pieces insisting that many PTSD claims were fraudulent. The VA backed off -- but only after a New Mexico newspaper reported that a troubled Vietnam veteran with a 100% PTSD disability killed himself upon fearing that the VA might review his case and a firestorm of criticism from Congress and veterans' organizations followed.

      I hope the diarist forgives me, as I posted a few lines from that in another diary earlier of a Hampshire/Norquist apologist.

      If people don't know who Norquist is, they need to know.  Especially vets who still believe conservatives are on their side.

      "Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people." - Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1821

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 01:24:28 PM PST

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  •  psychotic thinking... ol' grover is its KING! (2+ / 0-)
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    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 01:24:08 PM PST

  •  so is Rahm (3+ / 6-)
    Rahm is also a complete fucking waste of hard work, which is why I don't blame poor overworked Jane for attacking him.   Rahm is not only drowning government in the banker bathtub, he is  wasting everyone's efforts, and I'll be glad to see him go.
    •  WTF does this have to do with the diary? (3+ / 0-)
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      No mention of the evil 'Rahm' and only mention of Jane is 'I don't know Jane Hamsher.  I don't frequent Firedoglake.'

      I hide rated this as a quick response to a thread high jacking in the making. :-) Sorry if I'm still in the festivus mood.

      And for the festivus story in another language:

      Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothing new to say. If you please, don't back up the track, this train's got to run today.

      by kafkananda on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 02:38:02 PM PST

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    •  This has nothing to do with him (0+ / 0-)

      I'm not defending Rahm.  I'm attacking Norquist and by association, anyone who would think for even half a second that he could be trusted as an ally to liberals.  His entire worldview is hell-bent on destroying Democracy as we know it in favor of a winner-take-all society where first-comers, con-artists, bullies, and crooks get everything and honest people who work for a living get FUCKED.

      I don't think you can comprehend how much I fucking hate George W. Bush

      by slippytoad on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 10:09:48 PM PST

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  •  And you're a qualified psychiatrist? (0+ / 0-)

    Does this make you feel better, this name-calling?

    Norquist and his ilk have very rational beliefs that we just happen to disagree with. They believe that any subsidizing of the poor and the weak, of the ugly and the unlucky will result in utter chaos, the downfall of civilization as we know it. Hence, the need to block government. Democracy, to them, leads to mob rule and anarchy. Even our Founding Fathers feared and disdained democracy; that's why America is a Republic.

    A psychiatrist friend did once tell me that many corporate leaders are sociopaths. That might be the better term for Norquist, but there really is no need to delve into his personality. Instead, just focus on his POLICY IDEAS and work to counteract them.

    Norquist, like the Republicans, has a philosophy that can be boiled down into a simple formula:

    Move money and power UP and to the RIGHT.

    Please refine your skills and do whatever you can:

    How to argue. Chart. Definitions.

    Media Reform Action Link

    by LNK on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 01:34:10 PM PST

    •  many democrats share philosophy (0+ / 1-)
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      Rahm and probably Obama for instance.
      •  Share philosophy but waaay different degree (0+ / 0-)

        Any sane politician should be wary of democracy going amuck. Just witness the teabaggers. Or any crowd. Even the wild and viscious swings at Daily Kos, too.

        Rahm and Obama certainly do not share the Conservative idea about breeding, though. WASP club.

        Media Reform Action Link

        by LNK on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 01:59:21 PM PST

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      •  Er, this diary isn't about Rahm... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...why do you keep bringing him up in this context?

        "Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead." - H.P. Lovecraft, 1936

        by seancdaug on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 02:04:12 PM PST

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        •  yes it is n/t (0+ / 0-)
          many of us including Jane believe Rahm is a corrupt antiprogressive thus the attack.  WE believe he is probably guilty of misdeeds and fanniemac, ergo the attacks.  It is a good way to get rid of the bum.
          •  Okay, that's fine... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...but the diary still isn't about Rahm. It's about Grover Norquist, and whether or not an alliance between a recognized progressive like Jame Hamsher and a man whose entire career has been built on principles in direct opposition to progressivism is a good idea.

            That the alliance, in this case, concerns an effort to get Rahm Emmanuel fired is interesting, but not really the point. The question is really more basic: do the ends (getting him fired) justify the means (allying with Grover f'n Norquist).

            The diary doesn't defend Rahm. The diary doesn't even question Hamsher's contention that Rahm should be investigated and/or fired, which is, I think, a very valid question (since being a "corrupt antiprogressive" is not yet a criminal offense). It merely suggests that this is a dangerous alliance with a dangerous man, and that it's not worth the risk. That would be true even if the alliance was over a subject that had absolutely nothing to do with Rahm Emmanuel.

            "Intellectually, the Republican idea deserves the tolerance and respect one gives to the dead." - H.P. Lovecraft, 1936

            by seancdaug on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 03:46:05 PM PST

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      •  HR abuse. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 02:40:55 PM PST

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      •  Go vote for Ralph. (0+ / 0-)

        'The work goes on, the cause endures.'

        by shpilk on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 02:43:02 PM PST

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        •  and if everyone who feels they way I (0+ / 0-)
          do does vote for Ralph yer guys a goner!  I hope Jane is right that Rahm is the problem and I hope she succeeds in getting him fired so we have real change.
          •  You folks that think change is accomplished (1+ / 0-)
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            by throwing temper tantrums are really hilarious.

            Hamsher has staked herself out as dangerous to the progressive agenda, by embracing people like Shlafly and Norquist. I want nothing to do with any of that.

            Your ridiculous attempts to equate Rahm Emanuel with Grover Norquist are just that: ridiculous and just as delusional as the very worst tea baggers that claim Obama is a 'secret Muslim'.

            'The work goes on, the cause endures.'

            by shpilk on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 02:49:58 PM PST

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    •  Very rational beliefs ... hmm. (1+ / 0-)
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      In a very bizarre and a most Swiftian sense, you are quite correct.

      People like Norquist are directly responsible for the deaths of other human beings, as they set policies based upon their analysis of what's "rational".

      Political decisions made by leaders can have grave impacts upon untold billions; it's takes a certain mindset to be so uncaring about the plight of other human beings.

      Sociopathic or psychopathic, isn't only really a question of degree?

      'The work goes on, the cause endures.'

      by shpilk on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 02:42:24 PM PST

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    •  #1, telling me how to argue (0+ / 0-)

      And #2, not arguing yourself, suggests that you have no argument and are merely unhappy with my conclusions because they don't conform to the ones you already wanted to come to.

      Try again.

      I don't think you can comprehend how much I fucking hate George W. Bush

      by slippytoad on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 04:01:51 PM PST

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  •  actually he is 2 different P-words (3+ / 0-)
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    a paid propagandist- pure and simple
    he will say whatever he thinks will get him paid and he knows where the money is at.

  •  Freerepublic and redstate are excited (2+ / 0-)
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    A 'No' uttered from the deepest conviction is better than a 'Yes' merely uttered to please, or worse, to avoid trouble. - Gandhi

    by mahakali overdrive on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 01:42:36 PM PST

  •  Everything you've written (2+ / 0-)
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    Is why I want nothing to do with Jane Hamsher or FDL any longer.  Politics may make strange bedfellows, but this is well beyond bizarre.

    Hamsher's committing political suicide, and is attempting to turn the moment into the progressive movement's Masada.  Sorry, Jane; you built the pyre, you can haul your ass up on it and burn on your own.

    Hope is a good thing--maybe the best of things--and no good thing ever dies.

    by Gemina13 on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 02:40:40 PM PST

  •  Norquidy is a psycho (0+ / 0-)

    but Jane is well meaning and has a point of view.

    Do we demand like the republics that all agree with everything the party decides?  

    That is not my democratic party! That is the corporate democratic party.  

    Maybe we had to compromise to have any health insurance... but maybe a little bit of courage would have achieved more of what we "liberals" wanted.

    Plus ca change like the French say. Little has changed... the insurance companies rule the day! I wish I had bought shares, they are going through the roof.  

    •  Let me spell it out for you (0+ / 0-)

      Since you aren't getting it:

      Norquist is a user, a manipulator, and completely devoid of the basic decency we expect out of a civilized, functioning member of our society.  He resorts to rhetoric of violence and spite whenever he possibly can, and is wholly dedicated to the premise that government is evil.

      To break this down, Norquist basically is saying:

      To sustain itself, government must tax its citizenry to support the programs that it creates.

      Taxation is evil and an infringement upon the rights of the citizens.

      Ergo, government must be abolished (drowned in a bathtub).

      A further conclusion that is not stated but you can nonetheless reach is: Democracy (government that responds to the needs of its citizens) must be abolished.

      Norquist wants to return us to something resembling a dictator-led nation-state.  He is not interested in the needs of the majority as shown by his clear disdain of the results of elections, and he is not interested in the needs of our society, especially the needs of those who have not been born on third base.  

      Shorter Norquist: "Ah got MINE, you are ON YOUR OWN."

      He surrounds this self-centered philosophy with violent, spiteful rhetoric that dehumanizes anyone who disagrees with him and highlights his complete disrespect for the rule of law.  His involvement in multiple scandals, such as Iran-Contra and the Abramoff affair mean that he is very obviously nothing more than a common crook who has wrapped his theivery in the guise of some weird cult of "independence" which essentially is just a cover to give him leave to do whatever the hell he wants regardless of the consequences.  He'll shriek bloody murder should anyone else use this same logic to take even a single penny out of his own pocket.

      He's nobody's friend, and he certainly is no friend to liberals.  Hamsher is going to rue the day she clasped paws with this slavering monster.

      I don't think you can comprehend how much I fucking hate George W. Bush

      by slippytoad on Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 08:51:40 PM PST

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