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With the close of President Obama's first year in office and the passage of health care reform a virtual certainty (pending House-Senate negotiations), Republicans are already flailing, tying themselves up in knots while trying to find a line of attack that will stick:

A sampling of the seriously twisted logic and history from this Sunday's Republican talkers:

  • Bush inherited 9/11 from Clinton (Mary Matalin)
  • Since the taking office, Pres. Obama has refused to work with Republicans (Newt Gingrich)
  • Republicans have been right to oppose Pres. Obama, but they have been bipartisan anyway (William Kristol), though every single one of them opposes health care (Mitch McConnell)
  • Politically, health care reform is going to be the best thing the GOP could have dreamed of (Matthew Dowd)
  • Republicans need to have a positive alternative vision (Newt Gingrich) and should run on repealing health care reform (Newt Gingrich)
  • The health care reform bill is a monstrosity that we Republicans tried to kill (McConnell) but I won't say whether we'll run on repealing it (McConnell)
  • Health care reform is unconstitutional (DeMint) but I won't commit to filing a lawsuit against it if it passes (DeMint)

To do well in 2010, Democrats still have got an awful lot of work to do, but politically speaking they are beneficiaries of the biggest gift of all: an opposition party that just doesn't have its act together, that isn't ready for prime time, and doesn't offer a serious alternative. If Democrats avoid the election year timidity trap and instead deliver on their key campaign promises, 2010 could end up being a better year for them -- and the country -- than anybody imagines.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:02 AM PST.

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Comment Preferences

  •  These guys never learn... (11+ / 0-)

    They'll get an education about being the party of NO in November...mark my words...

  •  Hoekstra didn't make the list? He's a buffoon (9+ / 0-)

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:04:04 AM PST

  •  GOP wants an Eisenhower? (10+ / 0-)
    That's what would keep them from saying No to everything and the teabaggers?

    No, because Eisenhower wouldn't give them concessions either.  He wouldn't consider the fact that he can't get a single vote from republcians in congress as a sign of failure.  And he wouldn't make it into the primary for president.

    Subsidies without cost controls, regulatory reform means that citizens get a little more awful insurance at a huge cost to taxpayers. Like Part D but worse.

    by Inland on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:05:11 AM PST

  •  thanks for stringing these together. (9+ / 0-)

    a powerful laxative.

    ever since happiness heard your name it has been running through the streets trying to find you

    by el vasco on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:05:57 AM PST

  •  Someone should remind McConnell that the Suspect (19+ / 0-)

    was granted a visa in 2008 by the Bush Admnistration not the Obama admnistration

    Republicans secret dream = the impeachment of Bo the Dog LOL

    by LaurenMonica on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:06:29 AM PST

  •  We Ain't Seen Nuthin' Yet! (1+ / 0-)
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    conlakappa
    Just watch them go after and attack Obama on this terror bust. Hoo boy is that going to backfire!
  •  O'Connell can't articulate ANY agenda...... (7+ / 0-)

    "It's a disaster for democrats" but he can't get himself to say "we'll do something like repealing it".  It's an agenda, and they are so SCARED of agendas.

    It's the reason why the GOP, and congress, tend to lose.  It's the attitude that only fools put up a proposal of any kind that can get shot down.

    Subsidies without cost controls, regulatory reform means that citizens get a little more awful insurance at a huge cost to taxpayers. Like Part D but worse.

    by Inland on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:07:43 AM PST

    •  Wooden Soldier if the Status Quo. (0+ / 0-)

      That's because McConnell has no agenda, apart from making Obama fail. His agenda is to keep everything the way they were when Bush left office; and that includes the Great Recession.

      Greg McKendry, Linda Kraeger, Dr. George Tiller, Steven Johns. Victims of Wingnut violence

      by Judge Moonbox on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:07:29 AM PST

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  •  I thought President Obama's (7+ / 0-)

    first year in office will end January 19, 2010.  Mind you the RW media has had his year ending November 3, 2009, but whatever.

    Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

    by conlakappa on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:07:51 AM PST

  •  All in all, good news for John McCain! nt (1+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista

    It is an old strategy of tyrants to delude their victims into fighting their battles for them. --FDR

    by Rube Goldberg on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:08:08 AM PST

  •  Gotta love Republican logic (6+ / 0-)

    Be positive by being completely negative.

    Its no wonder the fuck the country up so well.

    Oh no, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican. - Lisa Simpson

    by LaFeminista on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:09:02 AM PST

  •  House progressives are caving on the public (4+ / 0-)

    option.  Who cares about Republicans when we get the shaft from our own party?

    •  Nobody left for us (1+ / 0-)
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      714day

      I don't agree that the GOPers are in a bad place considering how badly the Dems. performed this yr. Its ludicrous of us to really believe that this was a yr. of positive achievements for our side. When u add up all the places the Obama admin. and the Dem. party back pedaled on its principles and promises of 2008 it doesn't look good. The sad truth is the Dems. and Obama have shown themselves to be the party of the Corp. establishment and Wall st. This was not how they sold themselves to all of us in 2006-2008 but in reality its how its starting to appear. The GOPERS have never projected they were anything else. Look at what happened this yr. in NJ as a precedent for next fall. The public is not happy with us. Christie was an awful candidate but he kicked Corzines ass. Next fall will be a route if the party and the WH continue down the present path of hollow reforms that are in essence Big Corp. bail outs and give-aways sold as reforms. Were not fooling anyone no matter how historic we call these shams.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:19:49 AM PST

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      •  I agree that the Dems should not be corporate (1+ / 0-)
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        Blutodog

        but the Rethugs are in no position to complain that Obama et al were helping big business and Wall Street, since that's where the Repubs are HQ'd.  They will spend most of their time griping that the Dems made 2009 the Year of Socialism, which should ring hollow, as should the claim that the Rethugs were willing to cooperate, since they did nothing but lie and stonewall.  While I am very disappointed in how the Dem majority did this year in terms of getting anything worthwhile done, Rethug success is not going to come from their own positive achievements, but from the dismay of the middle that nothing really changed.   OTOH, frankly, if the economy looks and feels like it's improving by October/November of next year and unemployment is trending in the right direction, the damage won't be severe.

        "The true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love."

        by Budlawman on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:39:40 AM PST

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        •  Well said.+ (2+ / 0-)
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          714day, Budlawman

          I absolutely agree that as u say, "OTOH, frankly, if the economy looks and feels like it's improving by October/November of next year and unemployment is trending in the right direction, the damage won't be severe." That said, what worries me though is that we are trying to sell policies that are essentially pro-Corporatist/ neo-liberal in nature using Progressive framing and rethoric. Its dishonest and creating a kind of political version of cognitive dissonance on the street and even in here. The Progressive wing of the party should be out raged @ this, because if these policies fail they're going to be tagged on those of us that are Progressives and we are against many of them! I'm for one terribly disappointed @ how Obama has ACTED this past yr. and how the Congress has ACTED as well. The problem is if we do get really whacked badly this fall it won't matter if the WH learns what it was doing failed because the Gopers will then have the power to stop any further  reforms. Plus, my guess is Rahm will try and blame us, not their bad policies. In other words in another Orwellian twis my guess is Rahm et al. will shoot the messenger ( the progressive framing ) and not the bad policies. How clever almost Rovian isn't it?

          "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

          by Blutodog on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:56:09 AM PST

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          •  Sadly, there's a lot of merit in what you say (2+ / 0-)
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            Blutodog, 714day

            It's been a very frustrating year for progressives, though we were fooling ourselves if we thought Obama was going to be anything but corporate.  There was a lot of understandable aura and excitement, and I worked for him and contributed to his campaign, both out of hope for him and fear for the alternative (which undoubtedly would have been far worse).  No doubt Rahm will spin as only he and his ilk can, and let's hope that something good can still be done next year, since there's so much more left to be done.  What is most frustrating is that there was an incredible opportunity in 2009, or at least it appeared to be so with the large majorities in both chambers.  But Blue Dogs and the Liebermans of the world get to hold us back, at least until we can show them the exits.  

            Speaking of which, I'd be remiss if I didn't take the opportunity to promote my spouse, Marcy Winograd, who is a true progressive in a primary fight with Blue Dog Jane Harman in the 36th CD in California.  Please check out her website.

            "The true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love."

            by Budlawman on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:12:38 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

        •  actually... (0+ / 0-)

          ...to my way of thinking, Democrats need to be pro-business and pro-corporation to some extent. The business community of this country deserves representation, as well.

          Unfortunately, under Republican rule, corporate America is the ONLY interest group they ever give consideration to.

          Democrats do well when they actually represent ALL sectors of American society, including, but not limited to corporate and business interests.

          The true question to me is exactly how much representation they should be given.

          My overall assessment of the Obama administration so far: in an attempt to go out of their way to try to show that they represent ALL Americans, they seem to have gone a little overboard as far as the corporate elites. They need to start giving more political emphasis to populist issues that demonstrate that they are also on the side of average, everyday working Americans.

          •  No one is saying "to heck with business" (1+ / 0-)
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            wdrath

            But after eight years of Dubya, who did trash unions, workers in general and consumers, we need to take serious action to get back to a more even playing field.  The middle class has been losing ground for a generation and more.  This is about good jobs, which means the Wal-Marts of the world need to lessen their exploitative ways.  We need the Employee Free Choice Act, more stringent enforcement of environmental laws, continuing enforcement of laws against wage theft, as well as pecuniary incentives for small businesses to create good jobs with benefits.  

            The problem with what we've seen from the Obama administration is not merely the continued emphasis on helping and buttering up the elites.  It's that that was supposed to change following this election, and frankly, it was (as the Rethugs are happy to complain) the unions who put Obama in office, and Obama should deliver for them in ways that help the working class, both because of the politics of it, and because it's the right thing to do.  And let the business uber alles suits scream "class warfare" all they want.  They've been waging it against working people for at least the last 29 years.

            "The true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love."

            by Budlawman on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 12:35:42 PM PST

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    •  What Would Not Caving Look Like? (0+ / 0-)

      Honestly, I'm curious here.  What would it look like for them to not cave?  What do you see them doing that would be acceptable, and has a chance in hell of happening.

  •  All (1+ / 0-)
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    alexa100

    Anyone running against an (R), even though they no longer exist, needs to do is remind everyone of the Congressional Decade previous and give Truth to the Lies spread then and since, In Understandable English, plain and simple!!

    Blood cannot wash away blood. Hate cannot wash away hate. War cannot wash away war. ( an Afghan Proverb )

    by jimstaro on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:12:45 AM PST

  •  To add, they have not really found a legit (0+ / 0-)

    leader and the person charged with getting their collective act together is Michael Steele, baby.  

    The Republican Party, courting the female vote for 2010 by clubbing us over the head and dragging us back to the polling place.

    by truesteam on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:13:43 AM PST

  •  When the Republicans come out (3+ / 0-)
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    LaFeminista, conlakappa, sem

    with a an intelligent and seemingly moderate compassionate conservative who pays lip service to Global warming and accepts the already passed HCR bill, the stark contrast that candidate poses to teabagger idiocy will enamor conservatives as a new hope of the party. And it will be dangerous. Someone like Jeb Bush.

  •  I see Newt has not lost his gift for lies (6+ / 0-)
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    BigOkie, 714day, zbob, Ky DEM, conlakappa, alexa100

    "There was an openness, there was a bipartisanship, there was a transparency." I guess the birther nonsense, the Obama as a Muslim, and the immediate opposition to healthcare reform signal openness, bipartisanship, and transparency. Please, Newt lecture us on good governance.

    The uninsured keep dying. Death to AHIP!

    by DWG on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:15:41 AM PST

    •  Newt left office under an ethical black cloud (2+ / 0-)
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      Ky DEM, A Man Called Gloom

      And was polling in Cheney country when he left.

      He's nobody.

      I don't think you can comprehend how much I fucking hate George W. Bush

      by slippytoad on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:16:48 AM PST

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      •  No, he's not. (5+ / 0-)
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        DWG, Neon Mama, alexa100, mama jo, sem

        Sadly, none of these people are ever permanently disgraced.  Oliver North, Newt, Karl Rove, Cheney, all of them have managed to find other work in the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.  They don't go away; they just go undercover.  If anything else, Fox News will always be there for them.  

        Want to get more work done? Punt Harry Reid in '10.

        by Steaming Pile on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:37:30 AM PST

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        •  John Ensign is proof (4+ / 0-)
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          Neon Mama, conlakappa, alexa100, mama jo

          He got away with adultery and bribery while maintaining good standing in the party the constantly talks about morality and family values. Hypocrisy and unethical behavior has no consequences for Republicans (as long as you do not commit the sin of homosexual activity.)

          The uninsured keep dying. Death to AHIP!

          by DWG on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:44:04 AM PST

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        •  Yeah, and how's that working out for them? (0+ / 0-)

          Fox News' failure to keep Republicans in power has demonstrated that they too are just a bunch of nobodies.

          The echo chamber for the right wing is doing nothing but reinforcing their moronic delusions.  They have convinced themselves that having their own Tevee show means they're mainstream.

          But the public elected Obama anyway.

          I don't think you can comprehend how much I fucking hate George W. Bush

          by slippytoad on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:15:11 AM PST

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    •  Newt Did Say a Few Things That Made Sense (0+ / 0-)

      Pointing out how education is essential to our remaining a world power (agreeing with everyone else on the panel).

      And that Republicans simply can't be the party of NO. I detected derision in his voice as he offered that saying NO is so easy, but it's not going to win voters.

      I saw a political cartoon within the last week or so that had the elephant in coat 'n tie with a campaign 2010 button that said, "Give us a few more seats and we can achieve complete paralysis."

  •  This is why I'm not too worried... (2+ / 0-)
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    slippytoad, conlakappa

    about the mid-term elections. Dems may enjoy backbiting more than many of us would like, but the opposition party has no real leader, no real agenda, and no real support outside of the crazies.

    Couldn't happen to a better group of morans.

    "How poor are they that have not patience! What wound did ever heal but by degrees?"

    by Cure7802 on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:16:42 AM PST

  •  Bush did inherit 9/11 from Clinton... (1+ / 0-)
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    alexa100

    and Clinton inherited it from Reagan
    and Reagan inherited it from Kennedy

    Britain spends half as much per capita on healthcare than the US for a system which covers everyone.

    by FudgeFighter on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:18:16 AM PST

  •  The GOP.. (0+ / 0-)

    the gift that keeps on giving.

  •  The poll shows the Repubs are losing. (2+ / 0-)
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    buckeyekarl, alexa100

    The only poll that matters and is accurate, the DailyKos poll shows that the overwhelming number of people support President Obama and the Democrats in congress. Look at the numbers. We have 67% of the crucial women and non-voters. We have 86% of Northeasterners who, unlike the South, are not a lockstep out-of-step group. Other polls mislead, but our poll shows that when it comes to the mood of the country, the key demographic groups are all on the progressive side of the aisle.

  •  "To do well in 2010"???? LMAO.. (3+ / 0-)
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    Lupin, Blutodog, kitebro

    To do well in 2010, Democrats still have got an awful lot of work to do, but politically speaking they are beneficiaries of the biggest gift of all: an opposition party that just doesn't have its act together, that isn't ready for prime time, and doesn't offer a serious alternative.

    There is no "doing well" in 2010.  There is only how badly Dems get beaten.

    While I agree the Repubs are in disarray, they have unity on one thing: opposition to a really bad health care reform bill.  As well, they have the terrible performance of the Dems this past year.. credit card reforms that allowed banks to raise our interest rates to 29%?  "Stimulus" that wasn't very stimulative?  Toxic loans that never were taken care of despite over a Trillion dollars to the banks???

    Geeezus.. OK to be a cheerleader, but it's Monday morning.. how about a dose of reality?

    "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

    by Skeptical Bastard on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:19:22 AM PST

    •  I agree (1+ / 0-)
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      Lupin

      Many in here are in fantasy land if they really believe Obama and the Dem. Congress is viewed positively out here. Their collective performance 2006-2008 is abysmal. The hollow phony reforms especially this non-Healthcare reform is turning off alot of people. If they keep it up this fall will be a repeat of 94' and Obama will be struggling the rest of his presidency with an extremely hostile GOPer Congress. Most of us thought Obama was going to be another FDR type transformational fig. but it appears were wrong.

      "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

      by Blutodog on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:25:07 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I couldn't agree more.. (2+ / 0-)
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        Lupin, Blutodog

        He presented himself as a pragmatic problem solver.  I had faith he would bring all parties together and come up with practical solutions.  (I realize how hard that was with the Repubs, but Obama was the one who said he could do it.. he didn't even try..)

        Yet with healthcare, for example, he set up a list of "goals" and punted the ball to Congress, who have turned the whole thing into one big clusterf*ck.

        I am very disappointed..

        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

        by Skeptical Bastard on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:30:07 AM PST

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        •  Corporatist neo-liberal (3+ / 0-)

          Obama presented himself to us all in Progressive frames last fall. In reality he's not a Progressive @ all! He's a Clinton neo-liberal and its obvious by the people he's surrounded himself with thats the program he's  really rolling out. Whats interesting though is he continues to sell it with Progressive rhetoric and framing. Its creating a kind of political Cognitive dissonance in the Party and on the street and even in here. People hear the words but the actions are the opposite. The Wall st. bail outs are perfect example of this and Health care non-reform as well. Add the War policies and the credit card fiasco etc. and what u get is a picture of a very disingenuous regime. We're in essence being lied to and bait and switched  by these people and I for one want none of it. I'm now ignoring what they say and watching very closely what these bastards are actually doing and friend I DO NOT like it at all!  The Gopers are mean spirited pricks but they're up front about it. These bastards are worse IMO because they dress up the same pro-Corp policies as reform and expect us to buy it. Don't piss on my head and try to tell me its raining! The dems. are losing me and I've been a dem. for 40 yrs!

          "It's better to die on your feet then live on your knees" E. Zapata

          by Blutodog on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:43:02 AM PST

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  •  With the MSM facilitating, the Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    are gonna beat the Dems over the head with HCR and terrorism, and if past is prologue (some 70% of Americans believed Saddam had WMD) they'll succeed.

    The Dems need to learn how to fight back against the Lying Liars, a concept not grasped by our recent presidential candidates Gore, Kerry, or Obama, and not on display in the fight over HCR.

  •  The loons are right about one thing (0+ / 0-)

    If this bill commands me to pay money to an HMO vampire, then it will be an absolute disaster for the Democratic party at the next election.

    Dirty Dick Cheney couldn't have thought of a better way to shoot the Democratic party in the face.

    Why is the Republican party pro-rape? - Let's see that on a t-shirt!

    by jimbo92107 on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:21:41 AM PST

    •  Yes, you will have to pay a LOT more for HCR (0+ / 0-)

      http://www.cnsnews.com/...

      Now add in the 3-1% additional premium that can be charged for age.  Add in the 2-1 additional premium that can be charged for preexisting conditions.  Then add in the 1.5-1 additional premium for tobacco use.

      And then note that you are required by law to buy this insurance or face steep fines or go to jail (ironicaly, where I presume helath care is free).

      If your family income is 88k or more, or your individual income is over 45k ... you will pay a LOT more for mandated insurance, with no subsidy.

      If you make less than that, you can get a subsidy AFTER you pay 8% of your income for health care premiums (8% of your gross pay which comes out of your net pay ...).  So if you earn 30k and pay 7500 in taxes (social security, etc) and have 22.5 k left, 2.4k has to be spent on premiums (10+%) before you get assistance ... or you pay fines or go to jail.

      With a continued ban on importing drugs from Canada (gift to big pharma), mandated insurance (gift to big insurance), no lifting of the special exemption from monopoly laws for insurance (another gift), no tort reform or any liability limits (gift to trial lawyers), and "special deals" for some states in order to get votes (gift to corrupt politicians in NE, LA, FL, MI, and more) ...

      What exactly does anyone like about this bill?

  •  The Dems and the GOP both face (3+ / 0-)

    "an opposition party that just doesn't have its act together" in November.

    If you hold someone's feet to the fire for too long, you will hobble them.

    by kitebro on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:21:50 AM PST

  •  Matalin was referring to the 2001 recession, (0+ / 0-)

    not to 9/11. The March 2001 peak and downturn was likely not due to anything the Bushies did.

    In fact, they didn't do much of anything their first year (other than golfing, brush clearing, etc.), and even missed all the signals of the impending 9/11 major terrorist attack.

    "It will be a cold day in hell when they pry my Medicare Card out of my cold dead fingers!"

    by zackamac on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:22:34 AM PST

    •  Bush "inherited" it due to gravity. (2+ / 0-)
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      Kentucky DeanDemocrat, alexa100

      If you go long enough in the expansion part of the cycle, a recession becomes inevitable.  So the claim that Bush inherited a recession from Bill Clinton is about 50% true.  The thing was, Clinton's Treasury Department and the Fed were already anticipating this and taking measures to ensure that the economy came in for a "soft" landing.  Tax cuts were not part of this effort; since we were running surplusses, we had plenty of resources available to react to any softening of the economy.  We don't now.

      Want to get more work done? Punt Harry Reid in '10.

      by Steaming Pile on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:42:18 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  That's not (2+ / 0-)
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      buckeyekarl, rja

      What she said. She said Bush "inherited" 9/11

      Evey day I give thanks that Barack Obama is President...and that George Bush IS NOT!

      by gritsngumbo on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:29:19 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The GOP message is pretty clear... (3+ / 0-)

    Government Bad.  

    They have actually been running on this for decades.  The Government is bad.  Elect me and I will use my lack of faith in governance to make your life better.  It hasn't worked and pretty much led to a more ineffectual government, but that hasn't stopped them.  For once I would like to see Democrats call them on it.

  •  We need to call them what they are... (4+ / 0-)

    The Republican Block. They vote as a block, they think like blockheads, and all they can do is block progress.

    You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake. Jeannette Rankin

    by RustyCannon on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:24:07 AM PST

  •  the only problem is (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Kentucky DeanDemocrat

    the intended audience of all this nonsense can't see the inherent contradictions, to them, its all true.

  •  I can sort-of transcribe this if anyone wants it. (0+ / 0-)

    The main problem would be that I am (a) faceblind and (b) British, so I have no idea who anyone is. Accordingly, I'd be able to transcribe the dialogue, but would need someone's help afterwards as I'd have people labelled as "Red Tie Guy" and "Man on Far Right".

    Would it be useful nonetheless?

  •  Dems need to remember... (2+ / 0-)
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    Neon Mama, LibertySon

    ...that the best defense (for the 2010 elections) is a good OFFENSE.

    Wilber

  •  I am already seeing scary repub commercials (0+ / 0-)

    this morning ... scary music to call your representative and tell them to STOP the government from taxing your health care.

    •  If you are a union member your HC will be taxed (1+ / 0-)
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      Dirtandiron

      All "Caddy" plans -- those worth 8k or more -- are taxed at 40% !!!!!!!!

      These plans are owned by executives -- but surprisingly most are owned by union workers who took less pay in return for future benifits.  

      These plans will now be subject to a brutal tax to pay for HCR.

      Perhaps the ad was scary and stupid.

      But, the tax is scary and stupid.

  •  Mitch McConnell irresponsibly disengenuous (2+ / 0-)
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    Really, calling HCR a "government takeover," when it's nothing of the sort, and while knowing that he would NEVER dismantle Medicare. Now, I appreciate the philosophical stand of not wanting govt intervention in health care. Fine. But to call this bill a govt takeover is just scare mongering.

    The sad thing is that this bill is nothing more than tweaks to a broken system that needs structural overhaul, and the Republicans seem completely uninterested. I'm really over "bipartisanship."

  •  are mary matalin's lips sewn together?... (1+ / 0-)
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    or she really that puckered?!  Why am I asking!

    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:30:34 AM PST

  •  It wouldn't hurt for them to (1+ / 0-)
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    start acting more like progressives and less like stowaways taking refuge on the SS Democrat because the Battleship Bush sank and left them without a place to infest.

  •  "Judicial Activism" (0+ / 0-)

    I don't understand or believe in the term -- as I understand it, its meaning changes to suit the speaker/situation -- but I'm pretty sure as used by Republicans in the past, it would apply equally well to a challenge to HCR.

    And if Jim DeMint and Fox News knew as much about the Constitution as they claim, they'd know DeMint has no standing to "file a lawsuit to block the enactment of healthcare reform," nor would an unenacted bill be constitutionally ripe for judicial review.  Yeeeesh.

  •  why the country is being called "ungovernable" (0+ / 0-)

    This is why the U.S. is being called ungovernable.  The opposition is composed of political opportunists who refuse to address the problem of skyrocketing health care costs and who consistently strive for political failure of the other side.  It is a "lose-lose" policy.

  •  "If Democrats avoid the election year timidity (1+ / 0-)
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    trap and instead deliver on their key campaign promises, 2010 could end up being a better year for them -- and the country -- than anybody imagines."

    But they won't. The Democrats are the General McClellens of politicians: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    "Wide acceptance of an idea is not proof of its validity." Dan Brown

    by Bulldawg on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:36:16 AM PST

  •  Dear Jed - (0+ / 0-)

    "passage of health care reform"

    Is taking some rather strong artistic liberties.

  •  60 NEEDED! (4+ / 0-)

    Dems need 60 VOTES in the U.S. Senate to pass anything!

    Dems do NOT have 60 PROGRESSIVE Senators.

    We MUST work to get 60 progressive votes

    Progressive pick-up opportunities exist in New Hampshire and Pennsylvania

    We MUST retain every other Democratic Senate seat

    THIS IS why we do not have a public option

    This is why we do not have single payer!

    SIMPLE, but not EASY!

  •  Bipartisanship (3+ / 0-)
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    I don't think that word means what they think it means.

    To Republicans bipartisanship means - Do everything my way.

    "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by atlliberal on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:51:51 AM PST

  •  the Repugs don't matter (0+ / 0-)

    No one listens to them anyway.

    The Dems are beating themselves. They don't need any help from the Repugs.

    Dem Party Motto: "Hey, at least we're better than nothing!"

    by Lenny Flank on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:57:17 AM PST

  •  More like Sunday Loonie Tunes n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Practice tolerance, kindness and charity.

    by LWelsch on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 07:58:59 AM PST

  •  Dems just need to do two things (3+ / 0-)
    1. Act like facts matter
    1. Grow a pair

    Any questions?  Talk to Al Franken.

  •  Re Matalin on 9/11. (3+ / 0-)

    If pressed, she would probably say that she "meant" that 9/11 was caused by the failures of the Clinton administration to combat terror, so in that sense Bush "inherited" 9/11.

    Of course it's false that Clinton was primarily responsible for 9/11 and her phrasing is an cyncial attempt to morph together the event and her version of its causes.

    She is loathsome.

    The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

    by Upper West on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:06:46 AM PST

  •  I think these looney statements by the right wing (2+ / 0-)
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    serve a purpose.

    When they make these deceitful, devious or outrageous statements the media megaphone does it's job in 'catapulting the propaganda' making former right wing positions and policies seem centrist and more sensible in comparison.

    They thereby move the whole playing field to the right.

    It's well funded and it works.

  •  DC wisdom & MSM have bought Dems must lose frame (0+ / 0-)

    for 2010.
    But I don't think the American people have.

    The American people are still waiting to pass finally judgement to see if the Dems will move to solve problems. But people like Sen Landrieu and Bayh have started to listen to the teabagger party on retreating on the Dems are working for the American people theme and stop Cap and Trade.  That's a big mistake.

    With so many problems that the nation has that is the one thing that Dems are doing that no one can refute that the GOP does not have and that is a alternative solution to anything!

    Dems are problem solvers and reformers and the GOP hve nothing but complaints!  That's the ticket for 2010.

    •  Hear Rep King on Morning Joe (1+ / 0-)
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      was a big complainer talking about how the Obama administration responded to the foiled terrorist fire on the plane.  

      It was real revealing to see he had nothing to say substantively but just complained that it took the admin 48 hours to have anyone say anything and they looked bored and not animated enough.  I guess he misses the fear mongering of the last administration.

      •  Did it really take 48 hours? I thought something (0+ / 0-)

        came out sooner than that.  I never believe those scoundrels when they get specific with numbers.

        Excellence is to do a common thing in an uncommon way. Booker T. Washington

        by conlakappa on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 09:16:53 AM PST

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  •  yeah the GOP is mad (0+ / 0-)

    Obama has taken this in stride and not tried to scare the country. The problems stem from Bush era policies on terror anyway.
    Also saying the republicans will repeal health care is absurd. Even if they took back the house a lot of congressmen would be hesitant to repeal a new bill plus it would go nowhere in the senate even if somehow they won the senate back, it would never get cloture and of course Obama would veto.
    The truth is as time goes on the HCR bill will pick up support not lose it. I smell fear in the GOP.

  •  GOP think?? tanks... (0+ / 0-)

    ...are [tanking]and twisting themselves in knots because they know HCR bill will...if it does save average and low income and small to medium size business money...will screw GOP cause it gives DEMs a huge success/positive news factor going into next election cycles.

    Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

    by kalihikane on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:49:23 AM PST

  •  I just love that buck-toothed moran bill kristol! (0+ / 0-)

    Never walk into a public restroom while breathing through your mouth.

    by quityurkidding on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:53:06 AM PST

  •  Where Are The Angry HCR Protests? (0+ / 0-)

    I have been watching the teevee and reading blogs and news-sites and haven't seen any news of angry protests from the people at town halls and so on where the Congress-persons are hearing from people who hate the Health Care bill and want it defeated.

    Didn't the GOP leadership promise us that there would be near-revolt protests all over the US once they got home to be in communication with their constituents?

    Did I miss the news of these events?

    "Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." Rudyard Kipling

    by BillieJohn on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 09:03:59 AM PST

  •  It's the economy, stupid ! (0+ / 0-)

    If by end of summer/early fall 2010 the prevailing wind among the electorate is that we're clearly pulling out of the recession, with tangible signs of improvement visible to a strong majority of voters (especially independents or nominal, but weakly attached partisans)...then the democrats will hold serve in 2010 vastly better than the chattering class currently predicts.  Nominal losses in the house, anywhere from -2 to +2 in the Senate.

    If not...the dems do retain a majority in both houses, but a greatly diminished one in the house (by 20-25 seats) and lose 3 to 4 senate seats.

  •  I think we're in real danger here (0+ / 0-)

    I personally think that unless significantly more is done on health care, republicans can potentially use this in an effective way in the upcoming elections. This is exactly one of the things Howard Dean has been arguing. There need to be significant, immediate benefits that get the public strongly behind reform, or there will be a bloodbath for dems in the upcoming elections, and the reforms may be undone. Make no mistake about it, many will be unhappy about the mandates, and this falls right into the "government in people's lives" meme that has been effective for republicans. We need HCR with enough strong elements that go into immediate effect to overcome the perceived negatives, and we just don't have it right now, IMO.

    Personally, I think that the thing to do is pass this bill now, improving it as much as possible. Then I believe it's essential for dems to use the budget reconciliation process to do something like expand Medicare to 55-64. That is very doable via reconciliation, could be put into effect in 2010, would be hard for republicans to campaign on after so many of them have been praising Medicare, and would be virtually impossible for republicans to undo without committing political suicide. It's good policy, significantly helps millions of people, would be well received by the public, and makes good political sense, too.

  •  Saw this as a facebook status today. (0+ / 0-)

    9/12/2001: Bush vilified for not "connecting the dots." 12/26/2009: Obama excused because "The gov't can't take action for every warning"

    and the only comment to the status:

    Yup, typical...

    Boggles the mind.

    "A politician thinks of the next election. A statesman, of the next generation." - James Freeman Clarke

    by buckeyekarl on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 10:00:30 AM PST

  •  with all due respect, Jed (0+ / 0-)

    Matalin DID NOT say that Bush "inherited 9/11 from Clinton". Did you even watch your own clip? She claimed Bush inherited a recession from Clinton - a concept that has been debated for most of the past decade AND that in the midst of it 9/11 had occurred.

    Yes, the Republicans did twist in knots and did dabble in a mixed bag of truth and truthiness, but that's no reason for you to the same.

    Memo to Republicans - "Nope" is not a strategy...

    by frisco on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 10:40:23 AM PST

  •  why do wingnuts talk in circles (0+ / 0-)

    didn't teh contract with america expire? doesn't newt know it wasn't cashed?

  •  There seems to be a sense of unreality here (0+ / 0-)

    Unless something changes drastically in the near future, the GOP has a very good chance of taking the house, and some chance of taking the Senate -- and will most certainly pick up a lot of seats in 2010.

    Pretending otherwise and repug bashing is not going to help that -- it sounds like the "party of no reality"

    Perhaps some contstructive discussion on how to reverse what now looks like a foregone conclusion would be more helpful.

  •  Republicans are so consistently out of touch, (0+ / 0-)

    threatening to solidly campaign against the healthcare bill....
    by the time the 2010 mid-term elections come around NO ONE will
    give a shit about healthcare (been there done that american culture mentality), all people will want to hear politicians talk about is jobs and the economy.
    and once again, republicans will be irrelevant; regurgitating the old "lower taxes" and other rich-people bullshit...

    we'll see if democrats can manage not to (in typical form) screw things up...?

    it is so clear that the real change we need is in congress. i wish all incumbents were replaced by new representatives. congress is just a bunch of useless, scared, corporate ass-kissers with pro-incumbent district maps.

  •  Just stop playing defense. (0+ / 0-)

    Pass the Senate version of the bill in the House and sign that sucker into law promising to bring a Public Option bill to the floor in July as an improvement.

    We have financial regulation, jobs, Social security, Medicare, climate change and other pressing issues on which we MUST make progress.  The repeal of Health care is a wonderful platform for the party of NO.

    Howard Dean wants to repeal it before it ever gets signed!

    Others want to waste another 2 months dicking around with nothing but cosmetics.

    "I know no safe depository for the ultimate power of society but the people themselves" -- Jefferson

    by TheTrucker on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 06:27:42 PM PST

    •  um, (0+ / 0-)

      if we can't get 60 votes now to pass the public option, how did you plan on getting 60 votes for it in July . . .

      Just curious . . . .

      As for all those other issues, best write them off now.  They'll get treated the same way the health care bill did.

      "Capitulate, capitulate, capitulate".

      Dem Party Motto: "Hey, at least we're better than nothing!"

      by Lenny Flank on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:19:49 PM PST

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      •  In July it will be election season (0+ / 0-)

        And my electoral map tells me that a bill having the support of 60% to 70% of the people (which a Public Option as defined in the House bill DID have and WILL have) is not going to be filibustered by the Republicans:

        http://www.electoral-vote.com/

        I count 5 states that are barely Republican and one that is barely Democrat.  We will sweep all 6 of those states with a Public Option bill or a Medicare buy in bill.

        If the Republicans stay with their monolithic filibuster then we pass the bill the following year when we have 65 seats in the Senate.

        Case closed.

        As to the other issues being destroyed by the Republicans I think we can also resolve that.  The party of NO can only do this ONCE.  If they try it again we MUST act and we will have the support of the American people in doing it:

        http://GreaterVoice.org/...

        No more Mr. Nice Guy.

        "I know no safe depository for the ultimate power of society but the people themselves" -- Jefferson

        by TheTrucker on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 11:38:59 PM PST

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