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Latest wingnut email, and I want to reply all and fix.  But snopes and my google fu is failing me.

I know there is a part of either the senate or congressional bills that make the politicians have to have the same health care plan as in the bill.

Below is the email.  

Yes, I realize it's typical propaganda and I defuse some of the lies and the extreme amount of CAPS and exclamation points. And yes, it's feels like a Glenn Beckish email style. But I'm stretched today and as they say in the South: "I need some hep."  Normally, I reply defusing some of the lies with links from CNN or Huffpost (not fox or kos because then I get attacked on a regular basis) and then ask please stop spreading propaganda.

This will be a reply all back to about 300 plus people which should make my life interesting for a couple of days.  Replying back to these emails is important because using the tools of sunlight and ridicule stops some of the propaganda (not all).  And after this I don't really carry on the Pie fight.  It seems to work for a little while.  And it's makes that person think before sending another piece of ranting propaganda.

FINALLY SOME ONE ASKED HIM THE QUESTION!
ON "ABC-TV" Monday October 12, 2009
DURING THE "NETWORK SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE"....  OBAMA WAS ASKED:

"MR PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH CARE PROGRAM
AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE REST OF US WILL BE ON ????"  THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE NOT TO ANSWER IT !!!
IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED THE SAME QUESTION AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS."WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT."
AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE "KENNEDY HEALTH CARE BILL" WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE ENSURING THAT THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !
SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I... IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...??
WE (THE AMERICAN PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!! THIS IS TOTALLY WRONG !!!!!
PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS... WHILE THE WASHINGTON "ELITE" KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.
If you don't pass this around, may you enjoy his Plan!

Originally posted to Damn Frank on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:02 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (0+ / 0-)

    "Hey You, standing by the phone, naked all alone, can you help me..." Pink Floyd

    by Damn Frank on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:02:34 AM PST

  •  way outdated... (6+ / 0-)

    that had to do with the public option -- it would put all of Congress and their staff on the public option plan. Dems were for having Congress on it but against extending it to staffers because they should get the choice of going on it or not.

    Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose. Sometimes it rains.

    by gooners on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:07:11 AM PST

  •  So, that all caps thing in the highlight (1+ / 0-)
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    NotGeorgeWill

    is the email you received?

    A good first step would be to find the original source and view it, see what really happened, and link it.  Maybe the ABC site.  (No google needed.)

    A good second step would be to find someone who is following this issue and ask them this question as a comment in their diary.

    Just a coupla' ideas.  Good luck pushing back on the wingnuts.

  •  There is no "universal health care plan" (9+ / 0-)

    So I have no earthly clue what you are talking about.

    ~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

    by Kristina40 on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:07:46 AM PST

  •  You did not look this up on Snopes (9+ / 0-)

    Here is what you would have found if you did. I found it by submitting the first sentence to Google. I find it extremely difficult to believe that you tried Snopes and Google on this typical pile of Republican shit.

    The uninsured keep dying. Death to AHIP!

    by DWG on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:18:00 AM PST

  •  Obama did answer the question . . . (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, murrayewv, leema

    my recollection is that he said something along the lines of "the president has his own medical staff during his presidency" -- his care is essentially an extension of the VA system, which makes some sense since part of the president's role is "Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces".

    As a side-note, Sen. Sherrod Brown is the only member of the Senate right now who does not get his insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan, but rather buys his own out of pocket.

    The fundamental point is correct that Congress won't be part of the exchanges that it's setting up for about 20 million people who are currently uninsured, or who buy insurance in the individual market.  There's a lot of embellishment in the narrative though -- most of it is made up.

    e.g. the Obama non-comment is a complete fabrication; the story about the "Kennedy Health Care Bill" is a complete fabrication.  The bit about discussions saying that there was some measure written by legislators that said "Congress will be 100 percent exempt" is just silly.  If a Senator or House member wanted to buy his or her insurance within the exchanges, it may be possible for them to do this (e.g. just as members of Congress can buy their own insurance in the private individual market right now, but refuse to do so with the one exception of Sherrod Brown).

    The person's beef makes no sense.  Right now Congress isn't required to buy into the private insurance market anyway -- it has its own system that no other employer in American has access too (FEHBP).  So fundamentally, the health care reform as it relates to the president and Congress is a red herring.  It doesn't change the status quo at all for them.

    It has potentially positive benefits though for the tens of millions who don't currently have ANY coverage.

    I agree that ideally members of Congress would have to buy into the same system as everyone else -- if that's the end game though, you really need to start first by replacing every member of the GOP.  Only a handful favor expanded coverage to include children.  None favor universal health coverage.

    Stand with Dean, don't crawl with Lieberman! -- Dr. Fatman

    by NotGeorgeWill on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 08:31:55 AM PST

    •  Yeah, He Referenced a Bunch of People Following (1+ / 0-)
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      NotGeorgeWill

      him around because he's Commander in Chief so that's simply not possible.

      The current bills do include giving people access to a health exchange which is basically what congress & fed employees have.

      What I do if I MUST reply to any of these bs mailings is pick the one or two easiest to debunk outrageous lies, debunk them in a couple sentences, and then say it shows that the writer can't be believed about the rest.

      Nobody, least of all wingnuts, will read a lengthy rebuttal. As soon as they hit the first clause of refutation, their lib-dar goes off and they're going to close the email. You have to be able to make your point while eyeball inertia is carrying them a few more words down the sentence.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 09:04:58 AM PST

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      •  I disagree a bit on the exchange . . . (0+ / 0-)

        Congress and fed employees have much more generous subsidies for their premiums (up to 72 percent for most; even higher for postal workers); the enforcement and regulation side of the equation is likely to be significantly different too.  A tangential point, perhaps.

        In reference to the wingnut condensed version, I would say:

        If you want Congress to buy into the same insurance pool as everyone else, elect better representatives and fewer Republicans.

        Right now the only member of Congress who chooses to pay for his insurance out of pocket is Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio).  If you want more members of Congress to practice what they preach, elect more representatives like Sherrod Brown.

        Stand with Dean, don't crawl with Lieberman! -- Dr. Fatman

        by NotGeorgeWill on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 09:31:02 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  Coburn Vitter bill in Senate had Dem co-sponsors (1+ / 0-)
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    NotGeorgeWill

    but it took some work.  Democratic Senators had to go the Senate Floor to convince Sen Coburn to allow them to be co-sponsors of a bill to make them part of the insurance reform.

    Republicans: They hate us for our Freedom.

    by mikeconwell on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 09:39:30 AM PST

  •  I just gave a polite scolding. (1+ / 0-)
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    NotGeorgeWill

    Told him to check snopes.com before sending.  And to stop sending BS.  (but was very nice and did a reply all, but the reply was nice and embarrassing and brief).  I also sent this to the person who sent this to him and his list (actually about 150 people).  Gotta fight fire with fire.

    Yes, DWG I googled it instead of snopes (can't get snopes from work) and it didn't show.  If I searched snopes directly (via co-workers Iphone) it did show.

    Thanks NotGeorgeWill for helping me out with a sentence or two.

    Thanks for the help everyone! Normally I have the time to rebut.

    remember, fewer Blue Dogs! Elect more and better democrats!

    Cheers!

    "Hey You, standing by the phone, naked all alone, can you help me..." Pink Floyd

    by Damn Frank on Mon Dec 28, 2009 at 10:17:21 AM PST

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