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I know you have one, we all do: one of those brilliant, unorthodox ways to combat global warming that cause people to look at us like we’ve got a screw loose.  Maybe you’ve never shared your crazy like a fox idea with anyone because you know the reaction you’ll get.  We’ll here is your chance.  You have just been granted to share your brilliant idea, no matter how kooky, with the rest of the group.  Who know, perhaps your inspiring words will percolate upwards into the stratospheres of political power and some senator, or, dare I say, Barack  himself, will put your plan into action, thereby saving our species from certain annihilation.

Your plan doesn’t have to completely reverse global warming; any idea that moves us in the right direction is welcome.  Remember, this is not my diary, it’s your  diary.  So step up and share your unorthodox, outside the box solution.  My only rule is to leave out the obvious, so no suggestions for a carbon tax, more fuel efficient cars, or wind energy.  We’ve already heard about those.

To get the ball rolling I’ll start.  

Ahem.  In the greater LA area, all freeways should have mandatory carpooling Monday through Friday from 6:30-8:00AM and from 5:00 – 6:30PM.  If you’ve ever driven those freeways during those times you know it’s a great place to park your car for a couple hours.  Sure you’ll hear some grumbling at first, but when people hop on the 405 and find themselves zooming to work at 65mph I suspect the grumbling will stop.  Can’t find a carpool partner?  There’s always Craigslist and many other ways to find somebody headed your way.  Still no dice?  There are side streets, public transportation, or you can adjust your work hours.  This would decrease smog, green house gas production, and traffic congestion.  People getting to and from work faster won’t hurt either.  

Anyhow, that’s my crazy idea.  What’s yours?

Originally posted to Rezkalla on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:05 PM PST.

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  •  drop a HUGE ice cube in the pacific ocean (4+ / 0-)

    a la futurama

    lol

    "Corporate America decides which speech is free, and which isn't" Mike Malloy

    by rexymeteorite on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:06:32 PM PST

  •  Throw money into Cold Fusion (3+ / 0-)

    Hell why not? And maybe someone actually makes it work.

    "You Don't Do More With Less. You Do Less with Less. That's Why it's called Less." David Simon

    by Larry Madill on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:09:15 PM PST

  •  Cutting energy consumption in half: (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mataliandy, Melody Townsel, jakebob, MizC
    1) It saves money.
    2) It is the only real solution, everything else is just self-delusion.

    As long as:
    energy concumption = carbon emissions
    there is no other way.

    I voted with my feet. Good Bye and Good Luck America!!

    by shann on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:09:47 PM PST

  •  Offer a $10 billion prize in several categories (5+ / 0-)

    Carbon sequestration, hydrogen power, energy storage, whatever.  Do it like the British did in the 18th century.  The advantage of the prize model is that would-be innovators don't have to worry about eventual marketability--the criteria would be entirely technical, though of course they'd be criteria that correspond to a practical technology--and they don't have to give up the rights to what they've developed.  

    Enrich your life with adverbs!

    by Rich in PA on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:10:25 PM PST

  •  Different System of Government For the USA (8+ / 0-)

    or a significantly amended one.

    I can't do shit with this one.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:11:08 PM PST

    •  You may be onto something. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      MizC, Marja E

      We were sitting around in our inversion-bound atmosphere in Salt Lake yesterday when I expressed the opinion that we could clear the air if everybody lived where they could walk to work. Just make everybody swap houses, apartments, whatever, accordingly. If there is a spouse involved, a simple coin toss would resolve who had to look for a job closer by.

      That approach would also help to reduce the CO2 footprint quite a bit, I'd imagine.

      Also, whatever governmental changes facilitated that scheme would probably also facilitate the deployment of all available non-CO2 energy sources. Including the one in my sig.

      Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

      by billmosby on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:20:41 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I like that (1+ / 0-)
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        billmosby

        Let's move so we can all walk to work.

        I work in the Chicago Loop.  I commute to my office by train.

        By any chance you got $675,000 so I can get a one bedroom condo in Lincoln Park?

        I live 60 miles away from my office 'cause that's where I can afford to live.

        Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

        by luvsathoroughbred on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:58:44 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  That's where the change in Gov't comes in.. (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          raines, luvsathoroughbred

          .. you just swap with somebody in the place you need to be, or else with a chain of people so everybody ends up where they need to be. No need for money, the government will just tell people to move. And if there's a big dwelling someplace in the chain, folks'll double up or something. It worked for a friend of mine from a place called Hatvan, in Hungary, prior to 1957 sometime. Until his family emigrated to Mountain View, CA, that is. His name was the Hungarian equivalent of von Hatvan if you know what I mean, and the big dwelling that got divided up was his dad's.

          Needless to say, there's a little bit of snark going on here...

          Ironically, though, I have a couple of kids who live in Orange County, CA, who do walk to work. One of them has even given up his car as an experiment. Also to help him pay off his student loans.

          Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

          by billmosby on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:11:48 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Getting rid of the zoning rules against that... (0+ / 0-)

        Wouldn't do the whole thing, but would get closer.

        Encouraging people to use clotheslines. Discouraging local governments from mowing everything or from requiring people to do so.

        Changing traffic laws, road construction, etc. to make more areas passible to bicyclists. A lot of states have laws that present bicyclists with innumerable catch-22s, whether legal traps or death traps.

        Remember Duanna Johnson. Tortured by the Memphis PD for being black and trans. Killed by the Memphis PD for speaking up.

        by Marja E on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:13:18 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Overthrow capitalism. (2+ / 0-)
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      wayoutinthestix, Marja E

      Regulated or not, capitalism is defined by a grow or die logic that makes it a planetary cancer. The debacle at Copenhagen should make it clear to all that the global capitalist class will never do what needs to be done to deal with this crisis. Nor will they loosen their grip on political power without a fightto the death. They must be overthrown.

  •  Destroy all humanoids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (3+ / 0-)
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    marina, brenda, Larry Madill
  •  Eliminate the military since the military is (4+ / 0-)
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    marina, indycam, B Amer, wayoutinthestix

    responsible for pollution of unfathomable proportions i.e. depleted uranium, the largest consumer of carbon based fuels, surplus goods that are warehoused, what happens to the waste produced on Naval vessels at sea?  The people of Vietnam are still feeling the effects of Agent Orange and there has never been any accountability for the use of that poison on the environment of Vietnam.  What is happening in South America right now?

    Eliminating the military is one of the fastest ways for the earth to recover from the negative effects of mankind.

    Or to put it this way..peace is necessary for a clean environment.

  •  Do less. (5+ / 0-)
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    Kimberley, PeterHug, B Amer, MizC, RLMiller

    Buy less. Drive as little as possible. Wear sweaters and socks indoors instead of cranking up the heat. Use dogs for warmth at night. Learn to recognize the difference between a want and a need.

    FDL = The Teabagger wing of the Democratic Party

    by indubitably on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:16:17 PM PST

    •  Pooties are better for warmth (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      TarheelDem, indubitably

      Woozles hog the covers.

      It's too late for more think tanks. We need do tanks. ... Hungry people need food. It's not any more complicated unless we make it so.--No Impact Man

      by MizC on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:22:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Dogs have a carbon foot print ... (0+ / 0-)

      If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

      by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:50:22 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I buy locally (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        luvsathoroughbred

        ... made and milled dog food. It blows the socks off the commercial brands.

        FDL = The Teabagger wing of the Democratic Party

        by indubitably on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:56:03 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  And therefore it has no carbon foot print ? (0+ / 0-)

          If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

          by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:58:06 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Much of the carbon footprint (0+ / 0-)

            ... is what they're fed.

            But whatever. I'm way too tired to quibble over it. Okay, truth: my energy hog LED television is getting ready to auto-tune to something I want to watch, and I'll probably fall asleep within minutes of it coming on.

            FDL = The Teabagger wing of the Democratic Party

            by indubitably on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:02:06 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  And cat's don't? (0+ / 0-)

        Are you suggesting we do something about eliminating our companion animals?

        You really, really, REALLY don't want to go down that road.

        Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

        by luvsathoroughbred on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:01:47 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Because I will be attacked by dog and cat lovers? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          luvsathoroughbred

          If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

          by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:06:33 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Perhaps. Perhaps not . . . (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            billmosby

            I refer you to the wisdom of Nurse Kelley:

            Don't f*ck with the Pootie People

            Seriously, I know where you're coming from - and I don't entirely disagree.  However, there are times when conservation comes close to meanness of the spirit and to deny people their companion animals surely falls under that rubric.  

            Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

            by luvsathoroughbred on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:22:03 PM PST

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            •  I am a veggie . (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              luvsathoroughbred

              I will never own a meat eating pet .

              If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

              by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:28:01 PM PST

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              •  Ya, those evil kittehs! (0+ / 0-)

                Uh, do you mean a vegan? Because a veggie is food, I think...

                Oh, well, of course we're all food for something, at least at the end...

                Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

                by billmosby on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:55:34 PM PST

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                •  Veggie . (0+ / 0-)

                  http://www.google.com/...

                  "1. Veggie means the same as vegetarian."

                  If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

                  by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:15:40 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                •  I did not say they were evil , did I ? (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  billmosby

                  Ya, those evil kittehs!

                  How I choose to live , as a veggie , makes the choice of getting a meat eating pet out of the question for me . If you don't respect my choice to lower my carbon foot print , thats fine with me .
                  I will live a lower carbon/water foot print life style with or with out your appreciation .
                  And as it happens I am found of cats . When I see one I am friendly to it and I hope it will let me pet it .

                  If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

                  by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:33:58 PM PST

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              •  I'm a vegetarian too. (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                billmosby

                I rescued my cat before I became vegetarian, and I'm not going to give him away due to my dietary decision.  Cats are obligate carnivores, no matter what you read about occasional cats thriving on vegan diets.  He gets some canned food a few times a week and a daily dose of plain yogurt (vet's orders) for a chronic digestive ailment.

                If I stop believing in gravity, will creationists float away?

                by Idgie Threadgoode on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:01:54 PM PST

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              •  Ummmm. (2+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                raines, billmosby

                Animals do not subscribe to your dietary ethos.  

                They can't.

                Dogs are omnivores.  Cats are carnivores.  They must eat meat to live.  

                We have the choice.  They don't. That doesn't make them evil or wrong or immoral.  It makes them a cat.

                On the other hand my moocher has a zero carbon footprint.

                 title=

                His eats nothing but free-grown grass, hay, and grains.  His solid waste is 100% recyclable.  His liquid waste is bottled and sold as Coors Light.  And he can be used as a transportation/cartage device, if certain safety measures are put into place.

                That cancels out the carbon footprint of my two woozles.  One of whom is in training to be a Certified Cadaver Dog, so that cancels out his footprint entirely

                Choices, indy.  It's all about choices.  For us, at least.

                Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

                by luvsathoroughbred on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:04:11 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  Fine looking horse! (1+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  luvsathoroughbred

                  Makes me glad I didn't try that certain sausage in the Kazakh restaurant in Tomsk...

                  Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

                  by billmosby on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:12:23 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  ... (0+ / 0-)

                    One of whom is in training to be a Certified Cadaver Dog, so that cancels out his footprint entirely

                    It might offset his carbon foot print but it does not cancel it .
                    It does not follow that a doctor has his or her carbon foot print zeroed out because they save lives .

                    If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

                    by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:22:44 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                •  Zero ? (0+ / 0-)

                  "On the other hand my moocher has a zero carbon footprint"
                  Do I as a veggie also have "zero" ?

                  If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

                  by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:18:13 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  My moocher doesn't (0+ / 0-)

                    drive a car, or throw out plastic wrappings, or dirty disposable diapers, or have his clothes dry-cleaned.

                    Unless you walk everywhere - and are naked, or doG forbid, clothed solely in vegetable wrappings (fur out of the question, is it?) and live in a hole in the ground, lit by vegetable based candles and/or geothermals -

                    Sorry indy. Your carbon footprint is as big as everybody else's.  Welcome to the party.

                    And because your comments are approaching reductio ad absurdam, I believe this conversation just ended.

                    Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

                    by luvsathoroughbred on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:26:32 PM PST

                    [ Parent ]

                •  Why did you write this ? (0+ / 0-)

                  Animals do not subscribe to your dietary ethos.

                  If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

                  by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:24:34 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

  •  Legal marijuana. (11+ / 0-)

    Get production out of artificially lit closets, and under sunlight. My estimated savings, 400  Megawatts.



    I am not currently Licensed to Practice in this State.

    by ben masel on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:17:05 PM PST

    •  Is pot smoke global warming ? (2+ / 0-)
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      jakebob, erush1345

      I think so .

      If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

      by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:51:14 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Nope, it isn't (1+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        jakebob

        Burning vegetation does not really contribute to the CO2 load so puff away.

        There is a great deal of pain in life and perhaps the only pain that can be avoided is the pain that comes from trying to avoid pain. - R.D. Laing

        by brenda on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:16:00 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Proof ? (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          erush1345

          If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

          by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:48:34 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Any vegetation is already part (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            indycam

            of the CO2 cycle. It's not a good idea to burn forests but, all things being equal, that wouldn't add to the carbon cycle. The problem is that we are burning ancient vegetation, oil and coal, and that does add to the load on the atmosphere. We have basically two choices, stop burning fossil fuels and start pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere. Nothing else really addresses the problem.

            There is a great deal of pain in life and perhaps the only pain that can be avoided is the pain that comes from trying to avoid pain. - R.D. Laing

            by brenda on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:11:30 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  How did they put it... (0+ / 0-)

    some balloons, a long hose, and sulfur dioxide. Pump it into the atmosphere and it will lower the CO2 level.

    "No man deserves to be praised for his goodness unless he has strength of character to be wicked." La Rochefoucald

    by Void Indigo on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:19:00 PM PST

    •  That won't work to reduce CO2. (1+ / 0-)
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      Void Indigo

      Sulfur dioxide will reduce global temperatures, but it does it by reflecting sunlight away from the earth, not by reducing atmospheric carbon dioxide.  There are several things wrong with this.  First, reducing temperatures using sulfur won't change the acidification of the oceans caused by carbon dioxide dissolving in the water.  Second, the sulfur only stays in the air for two or three years and will have to be replaced regularly.  Third, as the sulfur falls out of the air it causes acid rain.  

      We will probably have to do this, but it's just a stopgap measure.  We still have to stop burning fossil fuels as soon as possible.

      Renewable energy brings national security.

      by Calamity Jean on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 10:18:27 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Price everything the right way (7+ / 0-)

    Everything should be priced based on the total effect it has on the environment. So, coal would instantly be REALLY expensive!

    The market will take it from there. People will figure out all kinds of creative ways to generate clean electricity, save power, consume less, etc., if they have a monitary reason for doing so.

    The real problem today is that things are artificially cheap. Somebody else, downstream, pays the cost for products.

    350.org! The climate can't wait.

    by B Amer on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:20:09 PM PST

  •  Outlaw lawnmowers, weedwhackers and leafblowers (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    kbman, marina, wayoutinthestix

    Outlaw community rules against drying laundry outside.

    It's too late for more think tanks. We need do tanks. ... Hungry people need food. It's not any more complicated unless we make it so.--No Impact Man

    by MizC on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:20:58 PM PST

  •  It's definitely crazy (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Caelian, marina, Rezkalla, MizC

    ...photovoltaic venetian blinds

    Like leaves, they don't have to be max efficiency; just inexpensive and everywhere.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:22:39 PM PST

  •  Required composting of anything (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    MizC

    that would otherwise be put into a landfill where it would release methane to the atmosphere.

    The main item would be food waste.

    "Trust only those who doubt" Lu Xun

    by LookingUp on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:24:44 PM PST

  •  Pump all manure from feed lots into (4+ / 0-)
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    thinkdouble, Rezkalla, MizC, Unenergy

    holding tanks where it can be treated to release the methane.  Build a nation-wide pipeline system (much like natural gas pipeline)to distribute the gas to power peaker plants.  

    I know, it's lame.  But we put a man on the moon, conquered Polio and Small Pox and elected an African-American to be the leader of the Free World.

    We can't figure out how to make energy out of all that cow poop?  'Cause we're not gonna be giving up our beef/pork/mutton/chickens . . . .

    Our promises are made in proportion to our hopes, but kept in proportion to our fears.-LaRouchefoucauld

    by luvsathoroughbred on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:25:51 PM PST

  •  I have a suggestion - Implement the ideas (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    raines, marina, MizC, RLMiller

    which Adam Siegel has been kicking around here for the past four years.
    It's called Energize America 2020.

    Those folks who are trying to get in the way of progress - let me tell you, I'm just getting started. I don't quit. I'm not tired; I'm just getting started.

    by Unenergy on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:26:02 PM PST

  •  A network of global sattellites over the poles (2+ / 0-)
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    Rezkalla, wayoutinthestix

    ...and one over major metropolitan areas across the world. It simulates the polar ice caps and can move in position over a city to provide artificial cloud cover and reflect the rays of the sun. This makes it more difficult to heat the poles and cools cities in the summer so that they use less carbon in their AC.

    Reflection is the name of the game.

    Some sort of additive that can fuse carbon in the air and rain it down to the earth in large blocks of well, rock. That one is probably fantasy though.

    The Raptor of Spain: A Webserial
    From Muslim Prince to Christian King (Updated Nov. 24)

    by MNPundit on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:27:55 PM PST

    •  Good one (0+ / 0-)

      Al Gore had the idea of putting a permanent satellite in the spot where the gravity of the sun matches the gravity of earth, and then have a camera focused on earth and providing a real time image of the planet which is beamed to the internet.

      What if we added a giant, sunblocking collar to that satellite?

      With my sunblocker in place, I was free to revel in my own crapulence!  - Mr. Burns.

    •  Orbital mechanics may have a beef with that.. (0+ / 0-)

      ..The thing about satellites is, they have to keep moving at the right speed relative to the earth's inertial frame, or they either gain or lose altitude. They don't stand still very long at all. Even those in geosynchronous orbits are moving, they're just moving along with the earth's rotation.

      It's different if they're at the LaGrange points, but those are way too far away to do you any good with this kind of scheme.

      Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

      by billmosby on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:05:16 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I have never believed in physics... (0+ / 0-)

        ...for physics does not believe in me.

        Also, how about ion thrusters? It might be high enough out of the atmosphere to work and the magnetic field is weakest at the poles so less ionization from space.

        The Raptor of Spain: A Webserial
        From Muslim Prince to Christian King (Updated Nov. 24)

        by MNPundit on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 10:02:15 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Not a lot of thrust. (0+ / 0-)

          Ion thrusters are great for long-term acceleration once you have a vehicle up to a speed where it is in orbit already, but they fall far short of being able to resist a tiny fraction of 1 g. A really high thrust ion thruster can produce about 20 lb of thrust, and only in pulse mode, and might require 3 or 4 megawatts of power to do that. At least from figures on the Wikipedia article on the subject. The gravity at what we think of as low or medium earth orbits is still a substantial fraction of what it is on the surface, so you'd have to have a 3 or 4 megawatt power source along with the rest of the satellite and the whole thing couldn't weigh much more than 20 lb.

          Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

          by billmosby on Tue Jan 19, 2010 at 06:15:09 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Did somebody say fusion? (0+ / 0-)

    Cold fusion is a will-o-wisp, but hot fusion isn't.  I often wonder why nobody ever talks about this ...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    If we can get a few of these up and running, we'll have more environmentally safe energy than we know what to do this.  Unfortunately it'll take a few decades to build even one, and we don't have that kind of time.

  •  Get Republicans to Shut the Fuck Up? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    brenda, jakebob, Calamity Jean

    Less hot air

    How do you solve a problem like Lieberman?
    How do you catch a fart and pin it down?

    by Ex Con on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:34:22 PM PST

  •  This may be half-baked. (0+ / 0-)

    Throw some bombs down volcanoes to make them erupt until there is enough dust to block out some sun. It will be like a nuclear winter without the radiation.

    Well, hello Mrs. Cleaver, and how is young Theodore today? -- Eddie Haskell, early NeoCon prototype

    by wayoutinthestix on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:50:32 PM PST

  •  Underwater CO2 sequestration (3+ / 0-)
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    marina, wayoutinthestix, MizC

    That's my batsh*t crazy Idea.

    Give $3000 tax credit to people who change their roof color to white. (Dr. Chu's idea)

    Subsidized funding for families to plant trees on their property.

    "The lying time will be over." Senator Sheldon Whitehouse

    by never forget 2000 on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 06:51:05 PM PST

  •  I came up with this idea a few years ago (2+ / 0-)
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    raines, marina

    http://swordscrossed.org/...

    I'm not big on hand-wringing, so if global warming is going to cause changes such as a rising global sea level, I think we ought to be doing something other than stainding defiantly on our eroding beaches and crying out at the rising tides, "Take me!!!". Instead, I think we ought to be preparing to do something about it in an orderly and systematic way.

    So, let's consider the problem of rising sea levels and figure out if there's something we can be doing about that inevitability while efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions are ongoing.

    First, some relevant facts:

    Ocean surface = 5,000,000 square miles

    Square mile = 5280 x 5280 square feet

    So, each rise in sea level of 1 foot = 5,000,000 x 5280 x 5280 x 1 = 139,392,000,000,000 cubic feet of salt water. Let's just round that up and call it 140 trillion cubic feet of water per 1 foot of sea level rise.

    Now, currently, sea level is rising a few mm per year. Just to simplify things, let's stipulate that sea level is rising by 3mm per year , which is slightly above the average of 2.8mm rise that has occurred since 1992. There are 304.8 mm in a foot. So, seas are rising by approximately .01 feet each year.

    So, to keep sea level constant, we need to figure out somewhere to put 140 trillion x .01 = 1.4 trillion cubic feet of water each year.

    One option would be to dig a hole. Basically, this would require digging a hole 1000 feet deep and 50 square miles in area each year for the water to flood into. Such a hole would have a capacity of 50 x 5280 x 5280 x 1000 = 1.4 trillion cubic feet.

    To be sure, this would represent by far the largest excavation project in history. The largest excavation to date is the Bingham Canyon Mine , an open pit copper mine in Utah-- a hole about 3 square miles in area and nearly 4000 feet deep at its deepest point-- not big enough to hold even one year worth of sea rise. Also, the Bingham Canyon mine is the result of over 100 years of excavation.

    Even though the site for our proposed salt water reservoir could be chosen in a geologically favorable area for easy digging, and we don't have to do anything special with the excavated material except put it in a big pile somewhere, this still sounds like a lot of digging.

    Another option would be to put the water in existing holes-- natural depressions in the earth's crust such as the Salton Sea Basin  in the southern California Desert. The bottom of the Salton Sea basin is already filled with salt water, but the current surface of the Salton Sea is 220 feet below sea level. If the basin were flooded to sea level, the Salton Sea would expand drastically to near the shoreline of the ancient Lake Cahuilla , a freshwater lake about 110 miles long and 30 miles wide which covered this region until just over 500 years ago.

    How much water would Lake Cahuilla hold? Well, we will assume an average depth of 110 feet-- halfway between sea level and the -220 foot elevation of the current Salton Sea, and we will assume the lake will have an area of 110 miles x 30 mile = 3300 square miles. This lake would then hold:

    3300 x 5280 x 5280 x 110 = 10 trillion cubic feet of water... about 7 years worth of global warming sea level rise.

    Of course, there's a cost to this as well that extends beyond digging the salt water canal from the Gulf of California to the basin, as the present-day towns of Indio, Brawley, and El Centro would be flooded as would numerous smaller towns and thousands of acres of irrigated farmland. On the other hand, the new expanded sea, with a nominally constant shoreline at sea level may present new opportunities  as well, including a solution to the water shortages of the desert Southwest as solar-based desalinization becomes feasible, algae-based bioenergy farms, and new beachfront real estate on a stable shoreline southeast of Palm Springs.

    Having been to El Centro on a humid, 115 degree August day, I can honestly say that I see some promise in this proposal. It sounds like a better approach than simply allowing unfettered coastal erosion or paying hundreds of billions building levees  and creating more "bathtub" cities like New Orleans.

    For this solution to make a dent in the problem of sea level rise, the world would obviously need to fill other basins  as well, such as the Afar Depression  near the Horn of Africa. Fortunately, many of these below-sea-level basins are inhospitable desert wastelands. Another possibility would be to pump sea water up to dry basins above sea level, creating inland seas not unlike the Great Salt Lake-- however, pumping rates sufficient to counteract rates of sea level rise may not be feasible.

  •  You know all that wasteful plastic? (2+ / 0-)
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    jakebob, MizC

    The stuff that litters the landscape everywhere, and collects on beaches and in ocean gyres? Collect it all, form it into fake icebergs. Set them loose on the oceans for polar bears and to reflect the sun.

    And plant trees. Lots and lots of trees.

  •  Living on land is outlawed , (0+ / 0-)

    everyone moves onto a white boats ,
    billions and billions of white boats reflect the sun light ,
    its so cool man , and we have motors that run on water .

    If you strike a match and light a fuse , don't be surprised when something goes boom .

    by indycam on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:04:49 PM PST

  •  Learn to live under water? (0+ / 0-)

    Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

    by WarrenS on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:23:47 PM PST

  •  Invest in "unproven" new energy technology (0+ / 0-)

    The US should invest a few hundred million in a lot of experimental energy technologies that traditional science says can not be possible. I would start with Bob Boyce's Hex controller.

  •  Nanotechnology (2+ / 0-)
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    WarrenS, jakebob

    Develop SAFE nanomachines that can be pumped into the atmosphere.  They are chemically engineered to bind with CO2 molecules and form heavy compounds that fall safely to the earth.  It is of the utmost importance to avoid overdoing it, of course; we don't want all the CO2 taken out.

    Well, you did say "crazy like a fox."  There's absolutely no way this would be allowed even if our technological levels were at this point yet.  People fear this kind of technology, warranted or not (and I admit that fear of this kind of nanotech may well be warranted).  There was plenty of completely irrational fear about the LHC creating black holes that could destroy the planet.  But as a sci-fi geek and a technocrat, I do like the idea.

    "Those puny little ants outnumber us 100 to 1, and if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life." -- Hopper from A Bug's Life explains the class war

    by PolitiCalypso on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 07:56:09 PM PST

    •  OK, outta the box... (0+ / 0-)

      Solar-powered catalytic converters that capture  atmospheric CO2 and process it into... methanol / graphite / nanotubes.
      cf. Stranded Wind's scheme for using excess wind power to generate ammonia.

      Either way, you could supersede existing technologies that currently make useful materials by burning huge amounts of  hydrocarbons.

    •  with current regulatory/legal mechanisms (0+ / 0-)

      who's gonna stop 'em?

      Is North Korea going to keep feeding its citizens by doing this and then claiming the carbon credits?

  •  End all subsidies for raising meat (2+ / 0-)
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    Caelian, jakebob

    Make people pay what meat actually costs to produce.  And make CAFOs illegal while we're at it.

    If I stop believing in gravity, will creationists float away?

    by Idgie Threadgoode on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:11:42 PM PST

  •  Stop subsidizing gasoline (2+ / 0-)
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    jakebob, Calamity Jean

    If people had to pay the real cost of gasoline including war and repairing damange to the environment, they'd be bicyling and taking public transportation.  If you added this cost to gasoline as a "usage fee" the resulting revenue could pay for public transportation that would be so good that cars would return to being just a plaything for the rich.

    Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
    Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

    by Caelian on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:15:37 PM PST

  •  NPG (3+ / 0-)
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    Rezkalla, jakebob, Calamity Jean

    Forget zero population growth.  My SWAG is that the Earth can sustain 1 billion people.  We've got 6.5 billion, growing fast.  If we don't take immediate, rational measures to switch to negative population growth the planet will do it for us.

    Start by limiting income tax deductions to 2 children (phased in).

    Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
    Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

    by Caelian on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 08:23:13 PM PST

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