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Last night the President did one of the things that he does better than almost anyone else, he gave a great speech. Taking the tone of confidence without arrogance, being willing to face the Republicans and put them in box by either applauding him or failing to applaud their own proposals, even by chiding them for their recalcitrance  and stance of know nothingism. While it remains to be seen if he will push for the follow through which his speech called for it is interesting that the end of his speech was a political trope that should be dear to every politician.

"Originally posted at Squarestate.net"

The Dogs Father taught one primary lesson to the hound as a pup – sometimes you get beat, but you only ever lose when you quit. This has led to a life time of being beaten, but it also has led to a set of victories personal, professional and public. This is the lesson the American people get, whether they had a father who harped on it or not. We intuitively understand that having a dumb faith in ourselves, an inability to see that the mountain is unassailable and that we would be better off if we just packed it in that is central to our experience.

It is the willingness to risk, against odds that were clearly stacked against us, that led to the pioneering of this continent. It led to the Framers standing up to one of the most powerful empires of their time to found a new nation. It led us to build a transcontinental rail road. It led us to intervene in WWII, it led us to the Moon, and it led us to try to be a force for good in the world.

This is not to say that it is all good, this dumb faith, this willingness to keep going even when we probably shouldn’t. There is an arrogance that comes from winning through time and time again. That arrogance took a continent from the people already living there. It established a new nation in liberty, but did not extend that liberty to slaves or women more than 100 years. It let us become a power in the world and then abuse that power because of this dumb faith we have been right to keep going more often than not.

All of this is key to our way of thinking, and to the Dog it is part and parcel of why the Democratic Party is in trouble with so many in the base. Even those to the left of the Dog understand that you cannot win every fight, that standing up for something means getting beaten from time to time. It is the failure of the Democratic Leadership to actually lead, to say "The hell with the main chance, lets go do something right, something good" that gets under our skin.

There are many, many folks to blame for the hot mess that HCR has become, but chief among them are Harry Reid and Rham Emmanuel. Chief of Staff Emmanuel gets a big portion of the blame for not pushing the Presidents views with all the Democrats in both Houses of Congress. It is his job to get in there and make it clear that this is where favors are called in and earned, in passing the plan the President campaigned on.

The other big chunk goes to Sen. Reid. His wishy-washiness, his unwillingness to pull his caucus together and assure that if negotiations with the Republicans fell apart (as they were always going to) that he would be able to bring the plan the President proposed and the country gave his party an overwhelming majority to enact came to fruition.

Both of these men failed the basic standard of having to be beaten, instead of quitting. They quit the fight for the Public Option before it started. They quit the fight for the House funding measures, they quit the fight within their caucus and let the most timid and reactionary elements gain enough power to twist the HCR bill so far out of true that many liberals and progressives cannot support it.

Last night the President took a shot at ending this ceding of ground to the opposition. Yes, he is adopting some of their policies, which, to the Dog, seems like a form of quitting. However he also made it clear that he intends to keep pushing for all the things he has laid out, even if some of them do not meet with the approval of all (or even most?) of his Party.

He called on Democrats to do the same. This is a call the Dog supports 100%. This will be a tough election year. It will be volatile, there is a real feeling of anger in the nation and that usually means that incumbents are in trouble. However, we Democrats are also Americans, we need to remember our dumb faith in ourselves, our inability to really see the odds and make a rational decision to hunker down. Every Democrat needs to stand up for what they believe and try to do some good. The hell with the political calculations! The odds say we are going to lose no matter what, so why the hell don’t we go down swinging? If we are to be beaten, then lets make the Republicans and the Big Money interests do it, lets not cower like kids who always give up their lunch money to the school yard bullies.

Let’s take the President’s words to ourselves. We should not, we must not quit. The people of this nation may very well reward a party that shows it is willing to be American, to struggle against the odds of winning and maybe, just maybe come through with a victory. Dad said, "There is value in the struggle, not just the victory" well the time to reap that value is now. We may get beaten. There is always the chance we will lose on the issues or at the ballot box, but would you rather say you fought and lost or that you never really tried for the brass ring?

The floor is yours.

Originally posted to Something the Dog Said on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 06:51 AM PST.

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  •  In what way was it a great speech? (2+ / 0-)
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    Democrat, manwithnoname

    It just meandered through dozens of different points without promising to do anything new this year from last year.  It was a stay the course speech.  Yes the president will get a bump from this but if he comes back next year with this speech he is one term for certain.

  •  I'm with you. (9+ / 0-)

    I hadn't given up before the speech, and I'm certainly not giving up after. We all want Obama to fix a boatload of problems in the next 7 years, but let's get the ones right in front of us done now. NO QUITTING.

    B o o

    •  It takes longer to fix something than to break it (12+ / 0-)

      ...so anyone complaining that eight years of breakages aren't fixed after just a year DOESN'T KNOW HOW THE WORLD WORKS.

      The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

      by ShawnGBR on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:05:44 AM PST

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    •  Quitting?!!! Lemmings don't quit either! (1+ / 0-)
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      Cowboy Borat

      THIS is an issue of voting for and supporting politicians who take us down a path different than the one we expect. I have no intention of supporting someone who is voted into office with a progressive agenda, who then sidelines the progressives immediately upon gaining office. That is something a Republican politician would do to their religious wacko voters. I don't consider myself or any of my fellow progressives as wacko. And I am offended as such to be treated like a wacko by my representatives.

      Lack of support is the only remedy. It is the only thing that will change the politician's behavior.

      Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton

      by Shishkabugs on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:42:07 AM PST

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      •  Okay, try that. I will tell you I am completely (1+ / 0-)
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        OIL GUY

        unconvinced that it will work, given that there are not a concentrated enough group of people who will withhold support to make it clear that Democrats being defeated is your doing.

        Lacking that proof, no politician is going to pay much attention to people who do it.

        Still, fight for your way, get beaten or win.

        Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

        by Something the Dog Said on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:45:39 AM PST

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        •  I'm all for fighting (1+ / 0-)
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          Cowboy Borat

          I'm just not too exited about following that guy in the front over the cliff. What is so damning about this past election cycle is that it was about (progressive) change. That is why individuals gave an unusually large amount of money and support to democratic candidates. And it worked - they were elected.

          The DLC didn't energize the base. That is why Clinton lost the primary. She wasn't promising AS MUCH (progressive) change. She represented the democratic status quo. We elected the candidates who we thought would resist the entrenched moneyed interests more than any one else.

          That is why the democrats are losing support so fast.

          Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton

          by Shishkabugs on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:58:01 AM PST

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          •  I think you are projecting. It was about (2+ / 0-)
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            OIL GUY, semctydem

            change, but not necessarily about progressive or liberal change. That was always my concern with the change message. It was easy to see the nation was in trouble, but there was never a consensus about what the fixes were.

            People assumed that change meant what they thought change should be and did not pay as much attention to what the President was talking about. He has backtracked on some of the campaign promises, but for the most part he has done what he said he would do.

            As big a liberal as I am, I don't make the mistake of thinking what the liberal/progressive side of the party thinks is the same as what the nation as a whole thinks. There are a hell of a lot more people to my right than around me.

            Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

            by Something the Dog Said on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 08:02:57 AM PST

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            •  I think we listened to the campaign promises (1+ / 0-)
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              Cowboy Borat

              Sometimes we don't give the electorate the credit it deserves. And quite frankly when I compare my political stances with fellow Americans on both the left and right, I find much more in common than not. But I don't find much in common with someone who is working hard politically for corporate interests (to pay off a mortgage or campaign debt).

              My point is we are only hurting ourselves politically if we give blind faith to our representatives without expecting results.

              Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton

              by Shishkabugs on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 08:16:03 AM PST

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              •  Who is asking for blind faith? (1+ / 0-)
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                OIL GUY

                I am saying work the system. You don't like the way an elected official performs, primary him or her. The idea of waiting until the general and then withholding a vote as a protest is, to my way of thinking, nuts.

                Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

                by Something the Dog Said on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:04:53 AM PST

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                •  Who ruled out the primarys? (0+ / 0-)

                  Working the system involves voting for whom you think will do the job you want and expect. When they do not hold up their end of the bargain after the election, the political reality is that they will lose the support of the citizens who voted for them.

                  Sure we will scream louder. But it is easy to ignore the screamers if they are going to turn around and vote for you regardless of what you do in office.

                  And as for the support of the candidates, when would you rather those candidates win or lose support of their electorate? Now, or in October? Brown's win was a huge wake up call for the Democrats. And that is a good thing (not that I wanted to lose a senate seat to the Republicans), because Congress and the White House can still turn this around. They should have heard that electorate "scream" loud and clear by now. It is at their peril if they ignore it.

                  Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely - Lord Acton

                  by Shishkabugs on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 11:02:56 AM PST

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              •  Walking away accomplishes nothing. (1+ / 0-)
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                Something the Dog Said

                Stay engaged. Fight for what you believe. Call your Congress people. Let them know what you think.

                That's how we can win!

                God has no religion. - Gandhi

                by OIL GUY on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:36:34 AM PST

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  •  We shall not sleep from endless fight (5+ / 0-)

    Nor shall our swords sleep in our hands
    'Til we have built a better world
    In America's green and pleasant lands.

    (With apologies to William Blake)

    The nation can be made to produce a far higher standard of living for the masses of the people if only government is intelligent and energetic... (FDR, '37)

    by ShawnGBR on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:04:50 AM PST

    •  We will fight them on the beaches (6+ / 0-)

      we will fight them in the streets,
      we will fight them in the Congress,
      and if, years from now we are just a memory,
      history will say this was our finest hour!

      (with apologies to Sir Winston Churchill)

      Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

      by Something the Dog Said on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:08:20 AM PST

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      •  I was thinking of a way (2+ / 0-)
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        Something the Dog Said, OIL GUY

        to feed oneself on batter
        And so going from day to day
        Growing a little fatter.

        Oops, I thought this was the Lewis Carroll thread.

        •  Without apologies to Lewis Carrol (0+ / 0-)

          The Bellman himself they all praised to the skies--
          Such a carriage, such ease and such grace!
          Such solemnity, too! One could see he was wise,
          The moment one looked in his face!

          He had bought a large map representing the sea,
          Without the least vestige of land:
          And the crew were much pleased when they found it to be
          A map they could all understand.

          "What's the good of Mercator's North Poles and Equators,
          Tropics, Zones, and Meridian Lines?"
          So the Bellman would cry: and the crew would reply
          "They are merely conventional signs!

          "Other maps are such shapes, with their islands and capes!
          But we've got our brave Captain to thank:
          (So the crew would protest) "that he's bought us the best--
          A perfect and absolute blank!"

          This was charming, no doubt; but they shortly found out
          That the Captain they trusted so well
          Had only one notion for crossing the ocean,
          And that was to tingle his bell.

          He was thoughtful and grave--but the orders he gave
          Were enough to bewilder a crew.
          When he cried "Steer to starboard, but keep her head larboard!"
          What on earth was the helmsman to do?

          Then the bowsprit got mixed with the rudder sometimes:
          A thing, as the Bellman remarked,
          That frequently happens in tropical climes,
          When a vessel is, so to speak, "snarked."

          But the principal failing occurred in the sailing,
          And the Bellman, perplexed and distressed,
          Said he had hoped, at least, when the wind blew due East,
          That the ship would not travel due West!

          But the danger was past--they had landed at last,
          With their boxes, portmanteaus, and bags:
          Yet at first sight the crew were not pleased with the view,
          Which consisted to chasms and crags.

          The Bellman perceived that their spirits were low,
          And repeated in musical tone
          Some jokes he had kept for a season of woe--
          But the crew would do nothing but groan.

          He served out some grog with a liberal hand,
          And bade them sit down on the beach:
          And they could not but own that their Captain looked grand,
          As he stood and delivered his speech.

          "Friends, Romans, and countrymen, lend me your ears!"
          (They were all of them fond of quotations:
          So they drank to his health, and they gave him three cheers,
          While he served out additional rations).

          "We have sailed many months, we have sailed many weeks,
          (Four weeks to the month you may mark),
          But never as yet ('tis your Captain who speaks)
          Have we caught the least glimpse of a Snark!

          "We have sailed many weeks, we have sailed many days,
          (Seven days to the week I allow),
          But a Snark, on the which we might lovingly gaze,
          We have never beheld till now!

          "Come, listen, my men, while I tell you again
          The five unmistakable marks
          By which you may know, wheresoever you go,
          The warranted genuine Snarks.

          "Let us take them in order. The first is the taste,
          Which is meager and hollow, but crisp:
          Like a coat that is rather too tight in the waist,
          With a flavor of Will-o-the-wisp.

          "Its habit of getting up late you'll agree
          That it carries too far, when I say
          That it frequently breakfasts at five-o'clock tea,
          And dines on the following day.

          "The third is its slowness in taking a jest.
          Should you happen to venture on one,
          It will sigh like a thing that is deeply distressed:
          And it always looks grave at a pun.

          "The fourth is its fondness for bathing-machines,
          Which is constantly carries about,
          And believes that they add to the beauty of scenes--
          A sentiment open to doubt.

          "The fifth is ambition. It next will be right
          To describe each particular batch:
          Distinguishing those that have feathers, and bite,
          And those that have whiskers, and scratch.

          "For, although common Snarks do no manner of harm,
          Yet, I feel it my duty to say,
          Some are Boojums--" The Bellman broke off in alarm,
          For the Baker had fainted away.

  •  Do as say, not as I do (1+ / 0-)
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    Something the Dog Said

    That pretty much sums up Obama's "head for the hills" comment.

    TAGS:  Irony, Chutzpah

    Big tent leads to big fail.

    by Paleo on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:16:11 AM PST

  •  Seeing is the only believing. I see what (3+ / 0-)
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    Something the Dog Said, OIL GUY, ETF

    impedes this president's vision.  I am sorry that there is such resistance to this man.  Only the country suffers though.  I believe as the president does, on most issues.  But I see very well what is impeding it.

    If the impeders are somehow rewarded in the future with power, I will be in disbelief.  I probably will quit.  It is tough to play a game that is being played unfairly.

    'If we lift our voice as one, there's nothing that can't be done' MJ

    by publicv on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:32:19 AM PST

    •  Yeah, but it is the only game in town. (2+ / 0-)
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      OIL GUY, publicv

      If you quit, then you lose the ability to ever win. I know that does not motivate everyone like it does me, I am an unrepentant and incurable optimist.

      Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

      by Something the Dog Said on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:34:46 AM PST

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    •  I see little resistance (1+ / 0-)
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      Cowboy Borat

      I do see a passionate desire from many that he works to get the stuff through the process that he has promised.

      Promising to deliver something than just chucking it over to Congress and not trying to push it in the promised direction doesn't actually make much sense.

      It also doesn't bode well for another raft of promises. I really wanted to hear something on his feelings about the process.

      Make no mistake, I may be a critic but I desperately want him to succeed and cheerleading is not always the best way to show support.

      Hero-worship is strongest where there is least regard for human freedom
      -Herbert Spencer

      by stevej on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 07:59:29 AM PST

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  •  I hate to say this dog (1+ / 0-)
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    Something the Dog Said

    Because I completely agree with the sentiments in your diary & think they are very well expressed. Also I don't like to jump on spelling errors as a general rule. But you used the word so much in this diary that I found it distracting after a while.

    The past tense of the verb "to lead" is spelled led not lead. Lead is pronounced led when it refers to the mineral. If you have time I'd encourage you to go clean that up. I really enjoyed your diary but repeatedly running into the lead led confusion felt like walking across a flloor littered with set mousetraps.

    "Thou thoughtest that I was altogether such a one as thyself." Psalms 50:21 h/t R. Browning

    by seanwright on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 08:00:06 AM PST

  •  Interesting analysis here: (1+ / 0-)
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    Something the Dog Said

    There are many, many folks to blame for the hot mess that HCR has become, but chief among them are Harry Reid and Rham Emmanuel. Chief of Staff Emmanuel gets a big portion of the blame for not pushing the Presidents views with all the Democrats in both Houses of Congress. It is his job to get in there and make it clear that this is where favors are called in and earned, in passing the plan the President campaigned on.

    The other big chunk goes to Sen. Reid. His wishy-washiness, his unwillingness to pull his caucus together and assure that if negotiations with the Republicans fell apart (as they were always going to) that he would be able to bring the plan the President proposed and the country gave his party an overwhelming majority to enact came to fruition.

    But what views is the Chief of Staff not pushing?  Is he pushing a different agenda than his boss?  That's a forced resignation-able offense.  Reid's job was to herd the cats - which he did, miraculously.

    The speech did a good job boxing in Republicans and forcing applause for a guy whom they were desperately trying not to applaud.  As oratory it was okay.  As strategy it was deft.  As policy, it was a mixed bag and actually probably the most conservative speech that a Democratic President has ever made - maybe even including Clinton.  That said, it's who he is and perhaps we have to accept that.  

    With the majorities and White House in tow, the party has had a year to re-set the narrative in Washington - on the Reagan years, on what good policy IS ... but they punted on that.  Really, there was a lot in the speech that was good rhetoric, but how much of it is HIM?  If one came in wondering how much of his vision he wanted to define - one leaves the speech still in the dark there.  

  •  Dog, I love your Dad! (3+ / 0-)

    "There is value in the struggle, not just the victory"

    So true and so powerful.

    And through the struggle, many 'impossible' victories will come!

    Some people fight fire with fire. Professionals use water.

    by Happy Days on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 08:13:18 AM PST

  •  The President usually gives good speeches, (2+ / 0-)
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    zeke L, Cowboy Borat

    but ACTION is now required.  If we can not get a good, solid, substantive Jobs Bill passed and if Barack Obama just hands the ball over to the congress, as he did with health insurance, what is the point?  And I LOVED his speech, but in the end if we can not move on from square one, we have not moved anywhere.  If Barack Obama is going to do to the Jobs Bill with hands off and no leadership approach as we witnessed for almost a year on health care and just giving it to congress to mull over for MONTHS, what is the point?

    We have to ask this because the health insurance bill should have been SIGNED last year and look where it is at.

    Great speech, absolutely, but ACTION IS NOW REQUIRED.

  •  In the SOTU Obama said "Middle class" exactly (0+ / 0-)

    One (1) time. That's not a lot of mentions for the suddenly populist Pres. He can give a hell of a speech tho -- I give him that.

    Call it a Corporate Influenced Democracy if that makes you feel good. I call it Fascism.

    by CitizenOfEarth on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 08:19:58 AM PST

  •  Don't Quite? I have not even gotten started. (1+ / 0-)
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    Cowboy Borat

    There is nothing for me to be for yet.

    Once we get going, I'll not quit, but we've got to get going.

    I did like some of the stuff I read last night, but it was lacking the things I need to lend my support to.

    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 08:20:51 AM PST

  •  I love that he said this (1+ / 0-)
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    Something the Dog Said

    Hey, Democrats - grow a f'ing pair and let's finish the job we were sent here to do! And BTW, Republicans - suck it. Play ball or STFU.

  •  The Dog is Seldom Wrong.... (2+ / 0-)

    ...I'm inclined to give his ideas a go.

    Or would, if I wasn't already. But it's still a damned good message.

    Saving the damned world is up to us, people.

  •  talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk (0+ / 0-)

    That's all we get from our "Democratic" politicians. Come back to me when something actually is accomplished.

    F the right wing whiners. I don't care about them any more they can all F themselves for all I care.

    by UndercoverRxer on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:00:22 AM PST

    •  Oh, like the situmlus? The Lilly Ledbetter act? (3+ / 0-)
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      mango, OIL GUY, semctydem

      The House energy bill, the House Jobs bill? The expansion of SChip? The COBRA subsidies? The extension of unemployment? Things like that? Maybe you forget how little the Congress did in the last years of the Bush administration. While there is still a lot to do and a lot that can be done better, it is not like they have done nothing.

      Getting Democrats together and keeping them that way is like herding cats that are high on meth, through L.A., during an earthquake, in the rain -6.25, -6.10

      by Something the Dog Said on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:02:47 AM PST

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      •  Like HCR, Banking reform, Gitmo closed (0+ / 0-)

        My wife's unemployed, my kids are looking at $30K in student loans at the minimum even with me saving at least that much for each of them, and that is at a public U, my insurance eats up any salary raise...and since my wife's unemployment is due to me moving for a job, she's not eligible for Unemployment benefits.

        F the right wing whiners. I don't care about them any more they can all F themselves for all I care.

        by UndercoverRxer on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:10:10 AM PST

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        •  Another stick in the eye. (0+ / 0-)

          That there will be no Amtrak funding for a route through the population centers of the state was just announced. Stimulus, what stimulus? And to think we started the POTUS on his way by his win in our state.

          F the right wing whiners. I don't care about them any more they can all F themselves for all I care.

          by UndercoverRxer on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:19:44 AM PST

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        •  You should be excited by his education proposals. (2+ / 0-)

          $10,000 tax credit

          More money for loans.

          20 Year forgiveness on student loans
             - 10 if in public service job

          Those are all great ideas.

          God has no religion. - Gandhi

          by OIL GUY on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:46:15 AM PST

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          •  Depends... (0+ / 0-)

            Does this mean kids who start in 2014 or who are in school today, or graduated this year? Devil is always in the details. And it's just a talking point- until pen hits paper, I can't count on it for anything. Tuition is due this week.

            F the right wing whiners. I don't care about them any more they can all F themselves for all I care.

            by UndercoverRxer on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 10:12:37 AM PST

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  •  Dog - don't need the floor. (2+ / 0-)
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    Something the Dog Said, OIL GUY

    You said it all and said it beautifully.

    I haven't posted or logged in to the site in quite a while.  Too much rancor.  I logged in just to rec and tip you. (And of course, couldn't resist a post since I was logged in.)

    Thank you! Agreed and I'm not quitting either. Too much is at stake if we sit this out.

  •  I'm hoping people understand he's trying now (2+ / 0-)
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    Something the Dog Said, OIL GUY

    It was really disappointing when people here doubted the motives of the President.  I can't escape sports metaphors and to me it was like we were accusing our quarterback of throwing interceptions on purpose because he was being paid off by gamblers.

    That's a hard way to think about a teammate and makes it hard to want to block for him.  

    First quarter over he's tossed an interception or 2 but we're freaking up by 2 touchdowns and we're in the red zone to push in another that's going to demoralize the other side.  Let's not only block for our qb lets go and take a personal foul because they've been going at our Presidents knees.

    My leader is Barack Hussein Obama the finest President this country has ever elected.

    by Adept2u on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 09:15:28 AM PST

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