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It is a little odd that on Primary day in Illinois, when we are deciding the next Democratic candidate for President Obama's Senate seat, that there are no I voted diaries in the 'recent diaries', much less the 'rec-list'. Well, I voted, I was the 74th person to vote at noon. In 2006 I was just under a hundred on my way to work at 7:00 AM. For those of you that don't live in Illinois, a little background on the big races:

For Governor, Governor Pat Quinn, Rod Blagal;jaslhgphadogj's successor, is running against our Comptroller, Dan Hynes. Neither one is all that great, but Quinn has effed our budget, and refused to push a tax increase through to cover the second largest shortfall in the Country. We're angling to be the next California. He's a decent guy, but he just isn't strong enough against the machine. By that, I mean Michael Madigan, speaker of the house, and the extremely popular Lisa Madigan's father (thank god not biological, which might be why she rocks, and he don't so much). In addition, one of his initiatives inadvertently let 20 murderers out in an early release program for non-violent offenders. That's a solid point of attack for the righties, but I don't really hold him responsible. The program only looked at the offenses for which they were currently incarcerated, and it's not as if he signed-off on each individual case.  

Hynes is fending off accusations that he ignored people who tried to inform his office about the Burr Oaks cemetery. He supposedly released information requested about the scandal today. Waiting until PDay to do so is kind of a dick move. It's possible there might be something there.

The Senate's going to be a sqeaker. Alexi Giannoulias, hereinafter Alexi, is facing off against David Hoffman, a self described Reagan Democrat, who magically found his progressive nature just in time for this primary. He told Morning Bloe that he was an Independent Fiscal Conservative. Great. Now if he just starts being an unabashed supporter of Israel we could end up with an extra Lieberman in our caucus.

Alexi has his problems too. Over the past few years his family's bank, which he holds a minor stake in, has paid dividends amounting to slightly less than they are in the red. The FDIC will step in unless they are able to raise 50 million dollars in capital. This could be bad in the general, but I still voted for him.

Basically I voted for two candidates that I believe the best, but they both have things that could haunt them come general election time. To all you out there who say, but they might not win, I'll admit they might not, but they are the 'better Democrats' that we talk about. Would you vote for Nelson in a primary? Didn't think so.

I'll close by saying that Mark Kirk, Repub running for Senate, was once the only kind of Repub that could get elected in Chicago, but he's gone full out Teabagger trying to secure the Republican primary. This will hurt him. In IL we don't vote for hard righties in statewide elections.

The Capitol Fax is a great place for more info

Originally posted to You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 11:52 AM PST.

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  •  Tip Jar (12+ / 0-)

    I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

    by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 11:52:38 AM PST

  •  Edited to fix a punctuation and a few typos n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    kafkananda

    I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

    by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 11:56:50 AM PST

  •  The MA Senate primary was ignored, too. (3+ / 0-)

    I'm amazed that a lesson wasn't learned that time.

    There is a reason that there has only been a Dem in the Oval Office for 13 of the past 41 years. And it ain't Obama.

    by kitebro on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 11:56:59 AM PST

    •  With what I'm hearing about turnout (3+ / 0-)
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      kitebro, allep10, KingofSpades

      and Quinn's downstate operation, I'm thinking he wins. The collar counties are reporting moderate turnout. They're typically republican. It is good to hear that the Dem strongholds of Madison and St. Clair Counties (STL) have a good turnout. Also, It's snowing in Chitown, so maybe weather is playing a factor.

      I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

      by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 11:59:42 AM PST

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      •  It's not the weather, it's the shitty options. (1+ / 0-)
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        You know me man

        It's just flurries at 3:55 p.m. CST in the Loop. The weather won't be as big a factor, I think, as the fact that we have a bunch of lousy electoral options. None of these candidates -- D and R alike -- are transformitive figures, none will make you jump up with a "OhHellyeah!" and pound the pavement. As in too many previous elections, we're left to choose between Eh and Meh.

        The biggest problem is that with today's shitty turnout, the powers that be will interpret this as voter apathy and go about their business as usual. As our state spins off into fiscal oblivion.

  •  Thamks for the local take. (2+ / 0-)
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    shevas01, You know me man

    How are we going to get better Democrats if we don't understand, by paying attention to, the details of their histories and characters?

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothing new to say. If you please, don't back up the track, this train's got to run today.

    by kafkananda on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:00:44 PM PST

  •  Damn I love elections. I took the afternoon off (7+ / 0-)

    just so I could follow it. I may be a big dork for getting this excited, but oh well. I live for this stuff.

    I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

    by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:03:56 PM PST

  •  I live in St. Louis (2+ / 0-)
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    marzook, You know me man

    On the MO side, but usually we see a good number of commercials for IL races. But I've only seen 2 for Gianuliwhatever, and one for Andrejesomethingski (who is running for the republican gov nomination and didn't mention his party affiliation in the commercial at all, I had to Google it)

    What is it with Illinois politicians and impossible to pronounce and spell last names?

    Economics: The science of explaining tomorrow why the predictions you made yesterday didn't come true today

    by yg17 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:04:19 PM PST

    •  McKenna has that in the bag (0+ / 0-)

      I get you on the name thing, but Giannoulias is a well known name because of Big John G. No relation to Alexi, and a different spelling, but Alexi is very popular.

      I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

      by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:06:30 PM PST

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      •  So even though I live just across the river (2+ / 0-)
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        marzook, You know me man

        and can see Illinois from my cubicle here in downtown St. Louis, which, by Palin logic, makes me an expert on all things Illinois, I haven't been paying much attention to the races. Is there any polling for the general election? Assuming Alexi wins the primary, will he be able to win in November? Ditto for Quinn or whoever wins the gov nomination.

        Economics: The science of explaining tomorrow why the predictions you made yesterday didn't come true today

        by yg17 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:11:40 PM PST

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        •  He's the only one ahead of Kirk (1+ / 0-)
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          marzook

          Currently he's 8 points up. Love the Palin analogy.

          I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

          by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:15:04 PM PST

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        •  Alexi was up 8 in a poll against Kirk last week (3+ / 0-)
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          marzook, Voodoo king, You know me man
          •  Before The Banking Scandal Broke. n/t (0+ / 0-)
            •  Scandals? You mean like paying dividends (0+ / 0-)

              before a massive recession hit, and then going in the red? Dude, it's a non fucking starter. Not to mention that Alexi has been Treasurer for the past three years, and as such was prohibited from having anything to do with the bank. So he got paid when times were good, he has a 2.7 percent interest in the bank. It's not like he was responsible. He doesn't even sit on the board that decides these things.

              I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

              by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:53:14 PM PST

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              •  As I Understand It Family-Owned Broadway Bank (1+ / 0-)
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                started paying out-sized dividends in 2006.  These anomalous dividends continued through 2008 when the crash left the bank in the red.

                Broadway bank is now under a federal consent decree prohibiting distribution of any dividends and requiring "Broadway to raise about $50 million in new capital over the next days. In addition, it must add at least $19 million to its reserves for loan losses within 10 days."

                I expect the GOPosaur to pump zillions into the IL race and I don't expect them to run a nuanced campaign against a former banker whose bank 'took care of the fatcats and insiders' before the crash.

                Alexi may be able to fight back but, if as expected, unemployment stays high and financial reform is zapped by Dodd and the special interests, this is the wrong cycle to try to elect a smearable former banker.

                •  I mention this in my diary. Outsized dividends (1+ / 0-)
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                  by whose standards? There is no impropriety there. It is a matter of solvency. The FDIC takes over when your bank fails. I'm saying that it is really of no import. The GOP is going to send boatloads of money at this either way. Who is the better fundraiser? Alexi or David? Alexi. Who has won statewide office before? Alexi. Who is actually a progressive? Alexi. Now I'd be okay with Ms. Jackson if she showed an ability to raise funds, but I don't think that Hoffman can raise enough money, or prove to the base that he is at all different from Kirk. They are both moderates, although Kirk shot himself in the foot by cozying up to Palin.

                  I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

                  by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:17:10 PM PST

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        •  Sorry, Quinn and Hynes can both (0+ / 0-)

          win the general easily. We don't have a single repub statewide office holder. That says something.

          I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

          by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:16:00 PM PST

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  •  I thought Quinn and mostly Hines ran terrible (2+ / 0-)
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    marzook, You know me man

    destructive ads against each other, which was not helpful, to say the least.  All they did was provoke further disgust with all Dems there, which may prove problematic in the Senate election.  
     I like Alexi, but I think it's going to be a challenging campaign for him, should he win today, which I expect.

  •  Democrats love to lose elections? If they (4+ / 0-)
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    majcmb1, lp3161, marzook, You know me man

    pick Hoffman as senate candidate they can kiss the senate election goodbye. Alexi might have his problems but he's the better candidate. Good candidates win races, look at MA and VA to prove that theory. I'm rooting for Quinn in the GOV race too. What time do the polls close?  

    •  Wrong. (0+ / 0-)

      Giannoulias is a controversy waiting to happen.  With his thin resume all he has to run on is the promise of rainbows and sunshine.

      The Illinois general will be about record and walking the walk and only Kirk has that to run on vs Giannoulias.

      Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

      by Jonze on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:39:21 PM PST

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      •  Quit your Alexi bashing (2+ / 0-)
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        majcmb1, Voodoo king

        He's been an exemplary treasurer, he's won statewide before, and he's not a fake progressive

        Toss in the fact that after the primary campaign of Mark Kirk, he cant win a general election. IL doesn't vote for hard righties, and he'll have to backtrack something crazy to win 40% against AG

        I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

        by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:46:14 PM PST

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        •  Won statewide... (0+ / 0-)

          But who really votes for the treasurer?  They vote for the party affiliation while voting on up-ticket elections.  

          Kirk will not be seen as a hard right candidate. Most folks realize that he had to tack that way to stave off the primary challenge.  He has his vote record to run on - what does Alexi have?

          And I'm not bashing.  folks are trying to convince others to vote for Alexi, and I think that is a big mistake and am saying so.

          I will not comment negatively again on Giannoulias should he win tonight and hope he wins in November.  I just don't think he will.  You don't think Kirk will get 40% against Alexi, I think Alexi will have trouble getting 40% when the GOP smear machine is done with the banker politician.  

          Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

          by Jonze on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:55:31 PM PST

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          •  See that's the thing. Did you see how (1+ / 0-)
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            marzook

            I hit Alexi just as hard as I hit Hoffman in my diary. You've been talking smack on Alexi all day without saying anything about what makes Hoffman good. That's the same way he ran his campaign. Alexi bad, me not Alexi. What makes him the man for the job? I don't know, because all he did was say that Alexi was worse. I don't go for that schtick.

            Stop saying Alexi is not electable, it's false for one, and how does someone lose to a Sarah Palin devotee in IL. Tell me that, and I'll backtrack.

            Again, how about you tout Hoffman's awesomeness, instead of saying Alexi sucks. How is Hoffman, a Raygun Democrat, a 'better Democrat'? Or is he the 'more Democrats' side of the coin. I'm telling you that Kirk is more liberal than Hoffman. Prove me wrong.

            I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

            by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:01:41 PM PST

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            •  i will be whoever wins the dem primary. (1+ / 0-)
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              You know me man

              most of the categories were a coin toss. i was voting with an eye on who would do best against the gop, but that's hard to tell at this point. no matter who comes out of this, i will be working hard for them in the general.
              p.s. i was voter #31 at 10:15 a.m. in will county (south chicago burbs + farm country)

              Change is inevitable. Change for the better is a full-time job. -- Adlai E. Stevenson

              by marzook on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:17:05 PM PST

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            •  Kirk will be a party line GOP vote. (0+ / 0-)

              I don't have to prove anything to you.  And Hoffman is the better Democrat because he has a chance in the general.  

              And you didn't hit alexi nearly as hard.  It was just a lame attempt at trying to appear unbiased.  You outright smeared Hoffman and then say "Oh, and Giannoulis isn't perfect ether, just pretty damn close".

              Politics is like playing Asteroids - You go far enough to the left and you end up on the right. Or vice-versa.

              by Jonze on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:21:30 PM PST

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              •  Of course he will. Prove to me that Hoff (0+ / 0-)

                can raise enough money, and garner support in Chicago, then we'll talk. Until then, I'm voting D in November no matter what, but I want to vote for a DINAD Dem in name and deed

                I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

                by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:28:19 PM PST

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              •  And I said no such thing. WTF dude (0+ / 0-)

                I said that I thought he was the better candidate. I linked to the supposed scandal, and merely quoted your candidate. I don't see this being productive. What does Hoffman stand for? What has he done to prove his platform? What makes you think he can win for sure, but there's no way in hell Alexi can? Answer those questions, and we can talk. Until then, how about you quit talking smack on someone who very well may be the dem candidate for senate this year?

                I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

                by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:32:54 PM PST

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    •  I know, Alexi won last time even with (0+ / 0-)

      smears about him loaning Rezko money and having mob ties. He's the better candidate by far. I'm hearing that with turnout this light, Hoffman has a shot. I hope not, but he seems to have at least as many supporters as Alexi on the blogs I'm reading. That or there's just a lot of repubs posing.

      BTW, on CapFax this comment: Anyone who actually listens to the Glenn Beck Program would be mightily confused...
      Got this response from a republican no less:

      That goes without saying.

      I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

      by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:43:10 PM PST

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    •  7 p.m. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      You know me man

      Change is inevitable. Change for the better is a full-time job. -- Adlai E. Stevenson

      by marzook on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 12:49:26 PM PST

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  •  I just voted in Lake County... (6+ / 0-)

    ...and heard a pollworker say only 10% turnout!!!People here are so tired of politics. We cant even enjoy the Obama win because the teabaggers are out in force...But, people expect wins by Quinn, Alexi, and Dan Seals.
    The day is always darkest just before the dawn...I think the Dems come back from MA and keep the Gov and Senate, and pick up the 10th congressional seat.  Look for Mark Kirk to work as a lobbying defense contractor and make more money than all of us combined...

  •  I Voted In Chicago About An Hour & A (2+ / 0-)
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    half ago.  I was #57 in my precinct and the judges told me that turnout was "really low."

    I voted for Cheryle Jackson (anti-war democrat who didn't have a ringer in the race or a pending bank scandal), Quinn, and Dorothy Brown (Cook County Board President) leaving many, many (the most ever) races blank.

    I would not have voted in this discouraging 'primary' except for the Cook County Board race.

    •  Thank god you didn't vote Stroger lol (1+ / 0-)
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      Scandals are in the eye of the beholder Ms. Jackson is quite easily tied to Blagojovich, and that's somewhat equivalent to your family's bank going under. Everyone has skeletons, that's why I will never run for office, and I don't care about the ties to Blago. I think she ran a clean campaign, and I would happily vote for her in the general should she win.

      I wish I had something interesting to say in my sig, but alas, I've got nothing.

      by You know me man on Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 01:08:14 PM PST

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